Large token packages

You can look at my package anytime you want BB.

My highest available is 1875 which is described as "less that $0.08 a token"

My highest is 3775. lol Never taken advantage of it.

Off topic: LOVE your new Avatar, Evvie!

Flattens out considerably after 1875. You'd save a bit of money jumping up one level, then considerably less each level after that.

While you're at it... Highest percentage per token a model can make?

lol Check my math. If you buy 100,000 tokens twice, using, respectively, the last two packages, you save $26 on the biggest package. Absurd.

Evvie's table, reformatted slightly



Now that I have access to it, I do tend to use the 7575 package. Not that it saves any money (because the difference is negligible) but it's more convenient to only need to buy tokens once a month or so.

Google spreadsheet link. I added the % of the token price that goes to the model. Anyone that clicks the link can now edit it to add whatever you want.

Disregard previous :text-blondmoment: :tongue1: :text-lol: Thanks Evvie :lol:

Evvie said:

Bocefish said:

While you're at it... Highest percentage per token a model can make?

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The most a model can make on any token (of the packages I looked at) is 63.125%

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It doesn't really seem that useful to me to think about it this way. For a model, a token is 5¢, no matter what, so it makes more sense to consider the amount taken by MFC as a pecentage of what the member pays.

Afer all, if I buy 400 tokens at one rate and 1875 tokens at another and then have some other tokens that were transferred to me by someone else, it doesn't really matter which tokens go to which model. To the model they're interchangable.

I consider the overhead I pay in buying tokens to be like what the credit card companies charge for currency conversion when I travel abroad. In this case, the foreign currency is tokens. (But MFC's markup is even more outrageous than the banks, although in some cases not by all that much... I've been screwed pretty badly by banks in the past on that.)

I suppose it might matter to a model named "Miss Empathy," and if she knew in each case what package a given member used to purchase the tokens he gave her. lol Then she could in some bizarre twist of mental gymnastics love the guy who buys the small packages.

Evvie said:

Nordling said:

lol Check my math. If you buy 100,000 tokens twice, using, respectively, the last two packages, you save $26 on the biggest package. Absurd.

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100k token packages :shock: do you have the info on those?

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Ha! I'm sorry. I wasn't being clear. I meant buying from the last two large packages we've listed in the thread MULTIPLE times until you've purchased a total of 100,000 tokens. I used 100,000 because I think it's the largest cache of tokens MFC allows us to "store." And . . . I wanted a large enough total quantity so there would be at least a perceptible difference between the two largest packages. I was mostly being silly.

Nordling said:

Evvie said:

Nordling said:

lol Check my math. If you buy 100,000 tokens twice, using, respectively, the last two packages, you save $26 on the biggest package. Absurd.

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100k token packages :shock: do you have the info on those?

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Ha! I'm sorry. I wasn't being clear. I meant buying from the last two large packages we've listed in the thread MULTIPLE times until you've purchased a total of 100,000 tokens. I used 100,000 because I think it's the largest cache of tokens MFC allows us to "store." And . . . I wanted a large enough total quantity so there would be at least a perceptible difference between the two largest packages. I was mostly being silly.

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I haven't checked your math. But you can have more tokens than 100,000. My limit is currently listed at 200,000. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to go even higher. (Although even 100,000 is pretty absurd, in my opinion. I've never had more than about 9,000 tokens at a time.)

Always_Tim said:

Nordling said:

Evvie said:

Nordling said:

lol Check my math. If you buy 100,000 tokens twice, using, respectively, the last two packages, you save $26 on the biggest package. Absurd.

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100k token packages :shock: do you have the info on those?

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Ha! I'm sorry. I wasn't being clear. I meant buying from the last two large packages we've listed in the thread MULTIPLE times until you've purchased a total of 100,000 tokens. I used 100,000 because I think it's the largest cache of tokens MFC allows us to "store." And . . . I wanted a large enough total quantity so there would be at least a perceptible difference between the two largest packages. I was mostly being silly.

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I haven't checked your math. But you can have more tokens than 100,000. My limit is currently listed at 200,000. I wouldn't be surprised if it were possible to go even higher. (Although even 100,000 is pretty absurd, in my opinion. I've never had more than about 9,000 tokens at a time.)

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Yeah, not really important in any case. I was going by my own limit, last time I looked.

True, and when I saw my limit (I haven't looked in over a year), I remember it said that if I needed more to just let them know. lol Why do they even have a limit?

The big thing to look at isn't the percentage of tokens increased per package, though. It's the "bonus tokens" you get over the standard 200 for $20 (IE $0.10 per token). As a note, I never look at it with the penny saved, like some people do with all things that end in $x.99. I always just round that penny up.

$20=200 tokens. No bonus.
$50=550 tokens. 50 token bonus
$75=900 tokens. 150 bonus tokens.
$150=1875 tokens. 375 bonus tokens.
$300=3775 tokens. 775 bonus tokens.
$600=7575 tokens. 1575 bonus tokens.

Looking at it this way helped me understand why it is sometimes beneficial to buy the larger packages (the largest I have bought it the $300 one-- I normally stick to the $50 or $75 when buying impulsively, though). Because when you look at the difference between $75 and $150, it looks like you're only getting 75 more tokens extra for double the money... and that didn't make much sense to me. But, when I looked at it in the way I have set it up above, it made more sense.

The most bang for your buck as you move up the purchase options seems to be from the $50 to the $75 packages. For only $25 more, you get 350 more tokens. Then you see the $150 option and could be all 'wtf? It's only an extra 75 tokens?'

But, when you use the $20/200 tokens as a base, you see where the added benefit is in the larger packages above the $75 package.

Quick examples:

To get at least 1875 tokens using the $20 package, you have to buy it 10 times (2000 tokens); or you could come close at 9 times (1800 tokens). But, you'e looking at $180-$200 to get (close to) there as opposed to the $150. So you save $30-$50 over the $20 package.

At least 3775 would be 19 times to get 3800. If you only do 18 times, you come in 175 tokens short. So a savings of $60-$80.

At least 7575 would be 38 times to get 7600. If you only do 37 times, you come in 175 short, again. So you save $140-$160.

If you try looking at it as the price per token per package, you quickly see that after it gets to 7.9 cents per tokens, it never really drops very much further down. But looking at it as 'you get this many "bonus tokens" over buying them all at the base package' shows you more value per token to the member.

Or, at least that's how I justified my few $300 purchases. :lol:

Evvie said:

It's generally known to just ask and ye shall receive a token limit upgrade, but maybe they don't really hand them out to everyone.

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To get the limits raised beyond the automatically assigned levels (which only become available gradually as one accumalates points), one must send them a form requesting it, with specific ID. Even then they make decisions case-by-case, and may request proof of financial status, and different (more direct) forms of payment. Bank transfer seems to be their preferred method as, unlike CC, MFC is less liable to be charge backs.

UncleThursday said:

The big thing to look at isn't the percentage of tokens increased per package, though. It's the "bonus tokens" you get over the standard 200 for $20 (IE $0.10 per token). As a note, I never look at it with the penny saved, like some people do with all things that end in $x.99. I always just round that penny up.

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There's no real difference in considering it as price/token or "bonus tokens". That said, everyone has their own mental model that works for them so good on ya.

The biggest advantage of the bigger packages (for me at least, to date), is it's easier to buy the token amounts I want. My privates typically run 45m-1hr or so. I don't want to buy the 900 package 4 times or the 1875 twice; 3775 works out awesome for that. Since I spend the majority of my tokens in privates, I also generally think of the packages in terms of minutes. 900 is 15m, 1875 is 30m, 3775 is 1 hr (not precisely, I'm just saying that's *my* mental model).

There is also the possibility of buying smaller packages but the economics of doing that makes me cringe.

Kradek said:

UncleThursday said:

The big thing to look at isn't the percentage of tokens increased per package, though. It's the "bonus tokens" you get over the standard 200 for $20 (IE $0.10 per token). As a note, I never look at it with the penny saved, like some people do with all things that end in $x.99. I always just round that penny up.

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There's no real difference in considering it as price/token or "bonus tokens". That said, everyone has their own mental model that works for them so good on ya.

The biggest advantage of the bigger packages (for me at least, to date), is it's easier to buy the token amounts I want. My privates typically run 45m-1hr or so. I don't want to buy the 900 package 4 times or the 1875 twice; 3775 works out awesome for that. Since I spend the majority of my tokens in privates, I also generally think of the packages in terms of minutes. 900 is 15m, 1875 is 30m, 3775 is 1 hr.

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Yeah, my privates are a minimum of 15 minutes... but I have done a few half hour ones as well. But, it's not just that I can buy the larger packages to do it. Just some of those privates were simply not going to be as good at only 15 minutes or so. And all my half hour or so privates have been well worth it, to me. Especially when I'm broke and need the archives to help me out. :lol:

I haven't quite gone for the 45-60 minute ones... but I know a few models (mostly the longer private ones I have already had) who would probably be worth doing those for.

LolasLiger said:

There is also the possibility of buying smaller packages but the economics of doing that makes me cringe.

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I've found the larger smaller token packages useful when I didn't honsestly have enough extra for a $20 package, but still wanted to throw a tip or two out. The 95 tokens for $10 isn't a huge loss, and still lets you throw a few tips out.

But, given the choice between that or the $20+ packages, I'd take the $20+ packages any day.

I have access to the 7575 package, but I lack the discipline to make it last any rational length of time. I will buy 900 or 1875 packages several times a month. I find that the act of buying makes me remember I spending money, not just fooling around with tokens. :twocents-02cents:

LolasLiger said:

There is also the possibility of buying smaller packages but the economics of doing that makes me cringe.

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This is what MFC has to say about the Smaller Token Packages option.

"You can also purchase smaller token packages using the tool below. It is particularly handy when you have a pre-paid card with some money left over on it, which is why we refer to it as the Gift Card Eater. "

I've used it many times to eat the last few dollars off a gift card.

MFC has it all broke down here. http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Payment ... for_Models