Why I Dont Agree With FREE!! Shows..And Groups shows

Groups are awesome if used as they are meant to be.. In groups.

If you've got 10 people watching you, each paying 10 tokens/min then you're making 100 t/min. Groups are also easier to keep going for a longer time because you're not relying on one guy to have the tokens, if you've got good traffic you can keep a group going for a good amount of time where new viewers replace the ones that leave. I'm sure some of the top girls are able to keep group going for over an hour, and have far more than 10 viewers as an average. That's a pretty good pay day.

Freeloaders are always gonna be there whether Group Shows are 10 tokens a minute or 30 (and really, if someone is paying for a Group Show, don't they cease to be a freeloader). I don't see how upping the price of Group Show's will help get rid of freeloaders or pirates. It might even mean less less money for the camgirl. At 10 tokens a minute, there's clearly a lot of guys willing to go Group for that price, if it was 30 tokens a minute, a lot of those same guys might not be so willing, ya know? :twocents-02cents:

I'm curious as to if this person understands there is often a lot more going on than what pays the most.

Some models can charge 5000 tokens for a fifteen or twenty minute public show. They would have to spend over an hour in a private to make that much.

Some models have posted that once they stopped doing public shows, their earnings have dropped.

Some models hate doing private shows because they don't like to be bossed around or be barked at.

Some models have found that they are recorded more often in private shows than in public shows.

Some models enjoy the atmosphere of public shows.

Some models can't keep people in a group show. Others rely on group shows for their income and would be severely hurt if the price of a group show tripled.

It's all well and good to say, "tssk tssk models, don't you know you aren't doing it how I see best?" but that is definitely not the end-all of what's going on. If you want a site that's private-centric where models don't do public shows, try Streamate.

Freeloaders gonna freeload,
Haters gonna hate
Potatoes gonna..erm Potate..

As with many things in this crazy mixed up world of MFC, its all about what works for the individual model concerned, for some yeh, groups are rubbish as they cant generate the traffic to make it even vaguely worthwhile and end up with either a 1/2 min group or just one guy sitting in there on the cheap

For some models however, as has been said they are extremely lucrative, ive seen some models do very long groups with in excess of 50 people in the room =$$$Kerching$$!

Trying to provide sweeping statements and broad brushstokes to a site like MFC is futile, IMO

A_Friend said:

Common models.
1. All premium free loaders..$20 guys :dance: Premium for life
2. Guys that sleep in rooms just waiting for free
3. Guests..underage
4. Recording pirates..Being posted all over web
5. Leo's rules :-D If you can remember when he made them

Groups.
10 tokens a min..Wtf?
When you spy a private,it is 20 tokens,and you cant request,mfc should make group shows.30 tokens a min as most groups are the same as pvts

I have seen guys asking in lounge,Hey Guys,can you help start a group show as i want a cheap private :-D So the model plays for ten tokens a min
If a guy really wants to see you perform,he would pvt you
I remember mfc when there was no groups shows,so much better for models,more pvts as well

mfc's stupid new rules when they kicked in,no away pvts from now on, new and not popular models will find it hard to better them selves while they leave mfc open when they are in pvt on other cam site,free loaders paradise :-D

Go easy on me with your replies,it is how i feel about mfc and there fucking lack of respect for models

peace xxx

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I feel ya. Any FREE CHAT or PUBLIC CHAT area of a cam site is bound to be "Freeloaders' Paradise." Just last night, I had a few different guys beg or demand that I show this and that, and they DID have tokens. When I asked them to tip for their requests, they left the room. One guy straight up told me "No" (he's NOT gonna tip for his request) even though he had 200+ tokens. Maybe he's one of those guys who will ONLY tip a select few, or one of those guys who will ONLY tip for public cum shows...I don't know. Either way, he obviously didn't think I was good enough for his tokens, so fuck him. Some of my regulars are guys who tip EVERY TIME they're in my room under their premium accounts, while others are twiddling their thumbs waiting to see when I'll get naked. It makes me feel bad to see the same guys tipping the majority of my countdown, while others are sitting there making lame "I wanna spank dat azz" comments.

I do think that MFC has got a lot of guys spoiled ("Why should I tip to see your ass when I can sit back and watch MeSoHornyBB fuck all of her holes in the other room?"), which is why you see GUESTS and BASICS saying to each other "I can't wait! Her public shows are the best!"

I know that I've lost viewers/tippers due to the fact that I don't do public shows, and that's okay. Thank goodness there are still some guys out there who tip for other reasons (for a flash, topless/naked countdown, just because, etc.), and guys who will take models into worthwhile private sessions. The good thing is that MFC models have the option to not do public shows if they don't want to. No one is making them do them...they do them because they chose to. Some models make really good money from them and enjoy the thrill of having a large audience watch them get off.

And thank goodness MFC isn't the only cam site out there, and that there are sites where you can actually work in 'paid chat only' mode cam score-free, and not be bombarded with "Show your ___" demands from non-spenders.

A_Friend said:

Common models.
1. All premium free loaders..$20 guys :dance: Premium for life
2. Guys that sleep in rooms just waiting for free
3. Guests..underage
4. Recording pirates..Being posted all over web
5. Leo's rules :-D If you can remember when he made them

Groups.
10 tokens a min..Wtf?
When you spy a private,it is 20 tokens,and you cant request,mfc should make group shows.30 tokens a min as most groups are the same as pvts

I have seen guys asking in lounge,Hey Guys,can you help start a group show as i want a cheap private :-D So the model plays for ten tokens a min
If a guy really wants to see you perform,he would pvt you
I remember mfc when there was no groups shows,so much better for models,more pvts as well

mfc's stupid new rules when they kicked in,no away pvts from now on, new and not popular models will find it hard to better them selves while they leave mfc open when they are in pvt on other cam site,free loaders paradise :-D

Go easy on me with your replies,it is how i feel about mfc and there fucking lack of respect for models

peace xxx

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I find your ideas intriguing and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

The reason I like MFC is cause I have so much freedom to choose how I want to run things. As a model, I don't want fewer options! If I just wanted to do privates all day, I'd work on a privates based site, but not every model wants to do business like that. That's the beauty of webcamming, we can all do our own thing

Different girls do better in different ways. I mean, I've seen tokens flying in on free shows for some girls, while others get into privates or groups pretty quickly and easily. I think the option for models to do things whatever way they want, and works best for them personally is the right way to operate.

Though guests are another issue entirely, far to many parasites that won't even drop a few bucks once to become a premium...

AmberCutie said:

MadisonLeigh said:

The reason I like MFC is cause I have so much freedom to choose how I want to run things. As a model, I don't want fewer options! If I just wanted to do privates all day, I'd work on a privates based site, but not every model wants to do business like that. That's the beauty of webcamming, we can all do our own thing

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Exactry!

If MFC didn't have group shows, I may have left the site already. Or started doing public shows...

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I am also going to add, some women just don't have the desire or stamina to do sexual private shows all day. Working on Streamate, where I was fucking myself 40 minutes out of every hour, it gets tiring and boring. I fantasized about working again at my minimum wage job making sandwiches (yes, I literally did) because at least I got the company of my co-workers and I got to switch between making sandwiches, doing dishes, and wiping down the table. Variety is the spice of life.

groups really work for some girls. i can't get them to work for me (any help ladies) but i know a lot of the models here make a killing off the groups i like privates and sometimes i like free public shows.

A_Friend said:

Common models.
1. All premium free loaders..$20 guys :dance: Premium for life
2. Guys that sleep in rooms just waiting for free
3. Guests..underage
4. Recording pirates..Being posted all over web
5. Leo's rules :-D If you can remember when he made them

Groups.
10 tokens a min..Wtf?
When you spy a private,it is 20 tokens,and you cant request,mfc should make group shows.30 tokens a min as most groups are the same as pvts

I have seen guys asking in lounge,Hey Guys,can you help start a group show as i want a cheap private :-D So the model plays for ten tokens a min
If a guy really wants to see you perform,he would pvt you
I remember mfc when there was no groups shows,so much better for models,more pvts as well

mfc's stupid new rules when they kicked in,no away pvts from now on, new and not popular models will find it hard to better them selves while they leave mfc open when they are in pvt on other cam site,free loaders paradise :-D

Go easy on me with your replies,it is how i feel about mfc and there fucking lack of respect for models

peace xxx

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So, how are those portraits going that you're painting with a standard sized paint roller?

Also, how much lack of respect are you displaying by wanting to limit the earning potential of the models?

And many new/not popular models DO better themselves via group. In fact, the entire argument against group is counter-intuitive. Because, realistically, the 10 tokens/minute (per person, mind you) is a helluva lot better than zero tokens/minute.

Just a friendly suggestion, any information you get based on time spent in the lounge is utterly useless. But seeing as how you actually spent enough time in the lounge to glean misinformation .................

I do agree models should be given more respect. Not only by MFC, but a very large majority of members as well. Tweeks could still be made to mfc and how to deal with the overwhelming freeloader population.

As to the show income thing... I will use 2 Rommie girls as examples..

"Model M" .... I saw today, for a private, entry was a tip of 500 and then you could push the button and spend your time. Same girl always has groups of 25-50 guys for a nice portion of her group shows. yes-- $$Kaching$$

Model "B" .. today she was doing skype for 100 tokens /10 minutes, same rate as a group. In her room she was doing the usual lets go gp/pvt thing. Not having seen her before, I didn't know her regs. One of them hit the gp and the usual '2 more" sign came up. After a few another joined and then I did. Within 90 seconds, I was the only one in there. I asked her and she said they do this little game for her to help her out. Point is as stated before... 10 a minute is better than nothing and she seemed very happy with it.

Just BC some member decides a girl is not getting enough, doesn't mean he has any insight at all into her life, cost of living or needs. If you don't think she makes enough, don't bitch at MFC. Plain and simple, shut up and TIP THE LADY. :twocents-02cents:

People who complain about freeloaders don't understand how this business works.

Freeloading = Good.
Being able to freeload leads to spending time on the site.
Spending time on the site leads to arousal.
Arousal leads to desires.
Desires lead to spending.

Face it, MFC's business model is in their name (specifically, in the "free" part).
And it is not such a bad business model, because it works:

Ever used Facebook? It is a free service, isn't it? Freeloader! (but yeah, you click banners, and FB makes billions)
Ever used Gmail for free? Freeloader! (but you click advertisements, and your search history gets somebody more business)
Ever watched free porn? Freeloader! (but paid porn sites post teasers on these sites to attract paying customers)

Freeloading attracts potential paying customers.
Customers pay money.
Money makes the world go 'round.

Freeloading is how the Internet works, and MFC is riding the wave.
And when MFC makes money, models make money.

Freeloading = Good.
Live with it.

A_Friend said:

Freeloading attracts potential paying customers.

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Example..Who knows RooCCoo?The basic,he has been a basic since 08 :-D No intention to to buy
I have seen basics calling premium members,suckers for paying as they enjoy all for free,I have seen guests and basics say to models,do some thing or i am leaving :handgestures-salute:
Mfc should make some thing like,basics and guests can stay in 1 room for 10 mins,then they are kicked out of room back to home page

Perhaps the 30 tokens a min was to much,why not make groups 20 tokens a min,three premiums to start a group,60 a min to the model,now that is fair
I think we need to make a petition to mfc

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I think you might be the only person behind the idea to increase the price of groups.

I understand your desire to make models earn more, but from what I've seen so far in this thread, nobody wants that.

Some guests and basics will never pay to upgrade, and if MFC stops them from viewing rooms, they will leave MFC.

Evvie said:

I understand your desire to make models earn more, but from what I've seen so far in this thread, nobody wants that.

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Ummm, I hope you didn't mean that as it sounded. I'm all for models earning more. Under their own terms.

RogueWarrior said:

Evvie said:

I understand your desire to make models earn more, but from what I've seen so far in this thread, nobody wants that.

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Ummm, I hope you didn't mean that as it sounded. I'm all for models earning more. Under their own terms.

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YES! I HAZ HATES FOR ALL MODELS.



I did intend to say, "but from what I've seen so far, nobody wants to increase the price of group shows."

Evvie said:

RogueWarrior said:

Evvie said:

I understand your desire to make models earn more, but from what I've seen so far in this thread, nobody wants that.

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Ummm, I hope you didn't mean that as it sounded. I'm all for models earning more. Under their own terms.

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YES! I HAZ HATES FOR ALL MODELS.



I did intend to say, "but from what I've seen so far, nobody wants to increase the price of group shows."

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Yeah, I knew that, but wanted to give you the opportunity to voice it.

I love group shows as they are! Sometimes I don't make as much as I would like and sometimes I make WAY more than I could hope for but I get to do it how I want without worrying about members running out of tokens. I like that it's a cheaper option for members but with a handful of people still a good time for me. Not every fella can afford a worthwhile private or higher priced group and I'm grateful to have group available for them. 200 tok=20 minutes in group. That is like a magical perfect number that shouldn't be fiddled with.

Evvie said:

Some models have found that they are recorded more often in private shows than in public shows.

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That may be because premiums have a copy of that private in their chat archives to view whenever they like. I can still view a private from 2 years ago.
With a firefox extension, you can also download it.



As for "groups are too cheap" - you do realise the lady has the option to accept or refuse, or cancel an ongoing group show, whenever she wants to. It is her choice what to do.
Different circumstances for different girls. If there was going to be a rate, I would prefer "let the girl set the rate" instead. Or better yet, a min rate and basic rate. Basic rate is the 10 tkns per min. If 100 people, she's getting 1000 tokens per minute. The min rate is the minimum tokens required per min to maintain the group show. Up to the users whether they start paying 15 tokens (when 2 of them) or 30 tokens (when only 1) per minute.

However, back to the current situation instead.

I know one girl who has one guy who uses 3 accounts to trigger his own "pvt" group show. 10 Tokens per minute. We hate it. She hates it too. She accepts it though. Why? Because if it's dead quiet, she's now making 10 tokens per minute that she wasn't before. Also, one of those "1 man groups", after about 20 minutes, turned into a 6+ person group getting her about 1500 tokens. That's 1500 more than she would have gotten otherwise.

It is really easy to say "she shouldn't take it" when he does this, and we wish she wouldn't as we think he's an utter shit for doing it - but in her position, with bills to pay and rent to make, and a night where no-one is tipping the topic and no pvt's - what choices does she have?
Make nothing?
Or make $15 in a long group show from 1 guy, and hope others join to make it really pay (which perhaps 1 in 4 times does happen).

MFC gives models the choice - to accept groups, to accept privates, and complete free choice to do what they wish in any scenario within. Rather than foist blanket costs, it would be better for MFC to give the girls more individual flexibility - set their own rate, or set min/basic rates.

Just my $0.02.

Zoomer said:

If there was going to be a rate, I would prefer "let the girl set the rate" instead.

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I don't like that system, to be honest.. It invites for a night full of "Lower your cost and I'll take you pvt bb"

That's what I like about MFC, the rate is what it is. The members either pay up what it says on the screen or they're not getting a pvt. No fuss or arguing about rates. Some sites will allow such low rates to be set that a girl honestly don't make anything even from a decent length private...

sweetiebatman said:

For some models however, as has been said they are extremely lucrative, ive seen some models do very long groups with in excess of 50 people in the room =$$$Kerching$$!

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The day I get over 6 people in my group show I'll be happy. 50+....wowzer! Definitely kerching!! $$$ Lucky girls! :thumbleft:

GingerOwnsChris said:

People who complain about freeloaders don't understand how this business works.

Freeloading = Good.
Being able to freeload leads to spending time on the site.
Spending time on the site leads to arousal.
Arousal leads to desires.
Desires lead to spending.

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Quite a good point you have there. I started on MFC as a guest, wanted to tip & chat to one of my fav models, became a premium member (spent way too much, but well worth it). Now I'm a model on there and still have my prem account that I use to tip other models.

So yeah, goes to show....watching the models makes you want to not just watch, but interact...and to do that, ultimately you need to tip them.

AliceDoe said:

Zoomer said:

If there was going to be a rate, I would prefer "let the girl set the rate" instead.

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I don't like that system, to be honest.. It invites for a night full of "Lower your cost and I'll take you pvt bb"

That's what I like about MFC, the rate is what it is. The members either pay up what it says on the screen or they're not getting a pvt. No fuss or arguing about rates. Some sites will allow such low rates to be set that a girl honestly don't make anything even from a decent length private...

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and yet it is their choice to set it... and your choice whether you accept. Given girls do free shows without seemingly to suffer so badly from a night full of "lower your cost and i'll tip your topic" questions, I am not sure it would prove as hard or inconvenient to say "no" as you make it sound In other words, not sure your counter holds much water tbh.

Simple question though - why would you ever take a page 5 girl with a camscore of 200 pvt? You can spend the exact same tokens to get a girl of camscore 15000 pvt. Yes, I am aware some people do take low camscore girls pvt an pay them 60 tokens a minute. Good for them... but if it were frequent, they wouldn't have a camscore of 200.

Girls set their values for topics, MFC doesn't set those - yet when it comes to the PVT it'd be awful if girls could set those. Not sure I agree, but there we go

and of course, there is always the ability to put some form of restriction (such as changing it only once per 24 hours - preventing hagglers, or min/max values allowable). Just need to open a mind a little... possibilities... maybe

Zoomer said:

AliceDoe said:

Zoomer said:

If there was going to be a rate, I would prefer "let the girl set the rate" instead.

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I don't like that system, to be honest.. It invites for a night full of "Lower your cost and I'll take you pvt bb"

That's what I like about MFC, the rate is what it is. The members either pay up what it says on the screen or they're not getting a pvt. No fuss or arguing about rates. Some sites will allow such low rates to be set that a girl honestly don't make anything even from a decent length private...

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and yet it is their choice to set it... and your choice whether you give a monkeys arse about those asking you to lower prices. I didn't think "no" was a hard response, given the usual questions I see asked by members

Just like it is your choice to set a topic - which is effectively the same. You price yourself competitively and also as to what you feel you are worth (or comfortable with). Apparently that is fine, but altering your pvt or grp rate? Good god no - that's awful.

Seems strange

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I've honestly never had a guy beg me to cut down my countdown. When I was working at a site that allows models to set their own rates I never heard the end of the "Lower your rate bb" bullshit. So, yeah, there is a difference.

I can choose not to have a countdown at all, in fact I worked for several months before I started doing countdowns. But if you work at a site like that, you can't choose not to do private shows because usually you're not allowed to do public ones.

The thing is that I think you're thinking that altering the prices would increase earnings because models decide themselves how much they want to earn. But when members know that models set their own prices, they don't want to pay as much because they know the model can easily lower the price if they convince her to.

It's like the difference between the stores where you know the prices are what they are, and the stores where it's part of the whole idea to haggle. You'd never argue about the price at Walmart or H&M, but you still shop there. However, if you're at a market in Tunisia it's considered stupid to pay the asking price and you're expected to haggle.

Me, personally, would rather own H&M than a market stand in Tunisia

AmberCutie said:

MadisonLeigh said:

The reason I like MFC is cause I have so much freedom to choose how I want to run things. As a model, I don't want fewer options! If I just wanted to do privates all day, I'd work on a privates based site, but not every model wants to do business like that. That's the beauty of webcamming, we can all do our own thing

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Exactry!

If MFC didn't have group shows, I may have left the site already. Or started doing public shows...

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I agree. I dont like performing for freeloaders or guests (children even) but like the freedom in group as well as all the viewers. I dont mind pvt but they are not a money maker. i make lots of tips in free chat before I go group and its my way of doing a cum show cheap for all their tips in free chat but not performing for freeloaders

A_Friend said:

Mfc should make some thing like,basics and guests can stay in 1 room for 10 mins,then they are kicked out of room back to home page.

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I, and others, have been saying this for a while now, and other cam sites actually do boot guests from the public chat after a certain number of minutes have passed, encouraging them to either upgrade or log in to their member account. I know that for me, 10 minutes is more than enough time to decide whether or not I like a model's room and whether or not I want to return.

I think it's pretty ridiculous when a basic - who gets to camp out in a model's room ALL DAY/NIGHT if he wants to - has the nerve to complain about what a model is or isn't doing in public chat. Dude, you've probably witnessed how many cum shows on here for FREE and busted a nut how many times, while never contributing a dime, and you've got the nerve to complain? Have a seat.....

AliceDoe said:

When I was working at a site that allows models to set their own rates I never heard the end of the "Lower your rate bb" bullshit.

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I know what you mean. There's a guy on ImLive who did very short private sessions and asked for a discount every time. It didn't matter if I had my rate set at 1.99, 2.80, or 3.80...he'd still ask for a discount simply because he knows that discounts exist...lol. The last time he asked for one, I kindly said no, and he still took me private anyway. He was just hoping he could get me at a cheaper rate, but I stuck to my guns.

And I've found that the "Lower your rate" guys STILL end up doing ridiculously short private sessions where they want you to get down to business ASAP, so they can leave in less than 2 minutes. Lowering your rates doesn't always result in longer sessions or more sessions. It often results in you attracting more cheapasses who want you to fuck all three holes and want you to cum ten times, and do it all within 2 minutes. :lol: