3D interactive virtual porn

[IsabellaSnow]

Here's an article on this technology, couldn't find a thread on this though I could have missed it?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... itter_page

I'm curious about what others on this forum think of this sort of technology. Obviously everyone here is pretty keen on porn and sexy times so I'm curious what your opinions are.

I'm in two minds about this sort of technology. I think it's truly incredible, but I also think that it will also end up resulting in a lot of people no longer enjoying real life relationships and experiences in the same way they might have.

One thing that bothered me about the article is that it was focused solely on the idea that men would be using this technology. I would have thought this would have been the type of porn that would be a lot more female friendly but the article focused solely on male pleasure and bypassed female sexuality completely. The only mention of women using it was again as a way to increase the male pleasure or to use with a man.

What do girls think about the idea of doing camshows for members where they could interact with you live? I've thought about it before and it freaks the fuck out of me, a lot of members get mixed up enough with what's reality and fantasy, I like having the boundary of a flat screen. Even if the member weren't touching me I don't like the idea of them being able to be more physically "with" my body.

What the article mentioned about couples using it etc sounds pretty cool. Personally I don't enjoy watching guys on a flat screen, the visuals can be nice but it doesn't really get me going, this would be the sort of technology I'd enjoy using a lot more. Even just for conversations being able to speak to people a long way away as though they're literally in front of you sounds awesome!

The whole thing sounds both amazing but also dangerous. Camgirls can be bad enough for men's perceptions of reality, being able to pick and choose as they wish with girls who most of the time are way out of their leagues both body and mind (no offence meant to ACF members - if members were all like you guys camming would be a lot more awesome). Being able to be physically with a woman that you have personalised to your tastes, changing the woman over completely in a matter of seconds if you get bored, choosing whatever you do etc. Even women who are naturally stunning won't be able to compare to that. Even girls I know who are ridiculously beautiful already beat themselves up about not conforming to impossible standards. I worry that when you get a below average joe sticking these goggles on, being able to be with a woman so beautiful she's beyond reality whenever he wants that when he looks at women within his own "league" and they're not enough for him. It's happening already. I know guys who are in their early-mid twenties who watch enough porn that during sex they lose interest and cannot cum without thinking about porn.

 

[SpencerStorm]

So I agree with you that it is cool but most definitely a weird concept....not just that can you imagine the damage to be done to the eyes wearing those as much as some people would...i just don't know...

 

[IsabellaSnow]

So I agree with you that it is cool but most definitely a weird concept....not just that can you imagine the damage to be done to the eyes wearing those as much as some people would...i just don't know...

Yeah, the eyes and the brain! I feel really weird after spending too long on the laptop or watching tv.

I feel with virtual porn there is a certain element that it turns women into sexbots. One of the things I think is good about men watching camgirls is that most camgirls will be clear that they are human beings rather than the sex robots porn will make them out to be. It will often teach men on what actually feels good and what women genuinely like. It also teaches that women have to consent to these things and aren't always up for "anything". I don't know if it'd effect men's perceptions of women but if it is as realistic as they were making out in the article then I would imagine it'd be much harder to differentiate between fantasy and reality. Thing is, women aren't sexbots created for male satisfaction. I feel like it could create an attitude with some that real life women should be that way.

Or hey, maybe it'll liberate women because if men want a woman to be that way they can zone out into a pair of googles.

 

[eclipse76]

The whole thing sounds both amazing but also dangerous. Camgirls can be bad enough for men's perceptions of reality, being able to pick and choose as they wish with girls who most of the time are way out of their leagues both body and mind (no offence meant to ACF members - if members were all like you guys camming would be a lot more awesome). Being able to be physically with a woman that you have personalised to your tastes, changing the woman over completely in a matter of seconds if you get bored, choosing whatever you do etc. Even women who are naturally stunning won't be able to compare to that. Even girls I know who are ridiculously beautiful already beat themselves up about not conforming to impossible standards. I worry that when you get a below average joe sticking these goggles on, being able to be with a woman so beautiful she's beyond reality whenever he wants that when he looks at women within his own "league" and they're not enough for him. It's happening already. I know guys who are in their early-mid twenties who watch enough porn that during sex they lose interest and cannot cum without thinking about porn.

Huhuh, why do you think only men would partake in that :mrgreen:

 

[Red7227]

Even women who are naturally stunning won't be able to compare to that. Even girls I know who are ridiculously beautiful already beat themselves up about not conforming to impossible standards. I worry that when you get a below average joe sticking these goggles on, being able to be with a woman so beautiful she's beyond reality whenever he wants that when he looks at women within his own "league" and they're not enough for him. It's happening already. I know guys who are in their early-mid twenties who watch enough porn that during sex they lose interest and cannot cum without thinking about porn.

Have you looked at MFC lately? Ridiculously gorgeous is not an issue, its much more naked and willing. Unless your fetish is beating off while wearing a motorcycle helmet, I don't think its going to be a particular issue for a few years yet.

Vibrators have long been accused of desensitising women to cocks, with a girl's first exposure to the Hitachi being infamous. This is the delightful Stoya's first exposure to mechanical assistance. Which might be surprising if she was dating James Deen

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Camgirls can be bad enough for men's perceptions of reality, being able to pick and choose as they wish with girls who most of the time are way out of their leagues both body and mind (no offence meant to ACF members - if members were all like you guys camming would be a lot more awesome).

Not trying to be a dick here but I don't think camgirls can be classified as being out of anyones league. Victoria Secrets models? Yeah I guess. Brain Surgeons? Yeah sure. Camgirls? lol come on. I might just not understand the silly leagues thing, been years since high school.

On topic, no opinion really. Not something I'm interested in.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Camgirls can be bad enough for men's perceptions of reality, being able to pick and choose as they wish with girls who most of the time are way out of their leagues both body and mind (no offence meant to ACF members - if members were all like you guys camming would be a lot more awesome).

Not trying to be a dick here but I don't think camgirls can be classified as being out of anyones league. Victoria Secrets models? Yeah I guess. Brain Surgeons? Yeah sure. Camgirls? lol come on. I might just not understand the silly leagues thing, been years since high school.

On topic, no opinion really. Not something I'm interested in.

I think most camgirls are out of most member's leagues. I'm sorry but they just are. Not all members sure, but most members. The whole league thing is just someone who is more attractive than you are, this attraction can come from a mixture of looks and personality. Camgirls who actually continue camming in a successful way are attractive to look at and be around. Otherwise they would not continue to be successful. Some members are extremely good looking, and charismatic, but that's relatively rare. You don't have to be a super model to be better looking than most of the general public and when it comes to attraction social intelligence goes a long way. I'm just going by averages on the average member watching the average model.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I think most camgirls are out of most member's leagues. I'm sorry but they just are.

lol Well, you can believe what you want but it seems a weird/delusional way to look at things. I'm in better physical shape than the majority of camgirls, make/have more than the majority of camgirls, and have more schooling than the majority of camgirls. Not the prettiest dude but most camgirls would be nowhere near my league if I was childish enough to break people up into leagues/classes. Not saying members are as attractive as some camgirls, have no way of knowing what most members look like. Whatever tho, I'm sure tons of camgirls tell themselves that they are out of peoples leagues, extreme bitterness and delusions can make people convince themselves of some pretty hilarious things.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Camgirls can be bad enough for men's perceptions of reality, being able to pick and choose as they wish with girls who most of the time are way out of their leagues both body and mind (no offence meant to ACF members - if members were all like you guys camming would be a lot more awesome).

Not trying to be a dick here but I don't think camgirls can be classified as being out of anyones league. Victoria Secrets models? Yeah I guess. Brain Surgeons? Yeah sure. Camgirls? lol come on. I might just not understand the silly leagues thing, been years since high school.

On topic, no opinion really. Not something I'm interested in.

I think most camgirls are out of most member's leagues. I'm sorry but they just are. Not all members sure, but most members. The whole league thing is just someone who is more attractive than you are, this attraction can come from a mixture of looks and personality. Camgirls who actually continue camming in a successful way are attractive to look at and be around. Otherwise they would not continue to be successful. Some members are extremely good looking, and charismatic, but that's relatively rare. You don't have to be a super model to be better looking than most of the general public and when it comes to attraction social intelligence goes a long way. I'm just going by averages on the average member watching the average model.

This is conjecture though. Not saying it's wrong (or that it's right) but it's an assumption. Cam girls have no idea what 99% of members look like and never will. Maybe these members are fortunate enough to have been born with looks that are deemed to be as conventionally attractive as that of the average cam girl, and maybe they're not. It's also pretty hard to pinpoint what the average cam girl even looks like and whether the average member would even be attracted to them. If we're going off of numbers, then the average cam girl is not successful, possibly because their looks don't conform to what the average member finds attractive and possibly because they lack charisma or personality. But either way, it's an assumption to state the average cam girl is out of the average member's league... even if it is probably true.

 

[Nordling]

I have to agree with Isabella here...it may be an assumption, but one based on easily gleaned data. Not about looks but about social skills. When I notice that more than HALF of all members type the letters "bb" at least once every five posts, I rest my case.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I have to agree with Isabella here...

Yeah we all kinda already knew that before you even posted.

 

[Nordling]

I have to agree with Isabella here...

Yeah we all kinda already knew that before you even posted.

As with you. But what is your counter-argument to what I actually said?

 

[IsabellaSnow]

When I said leagues I'm using it as a pretty loose term. What I'm going by is actually just the general public. I think that the majority of camgirls are above average looking. That doesn't mean all camgirls are super models, but you don't have to have super model looks to be more attractive than most people you see around. I'm also talking about camgirls who don't just work a few shifts and then crash but girls who actively keep it up for a period of time.

Sure there are loads of members who are really attractive physically and personality wise on camsites, just like there are loads of guys off camsites who are really attractive, but I'm only saying the majority. The majority isn't "all".

There's also the matter that most models are in their 20s-early 30s which is the time that people conventionally find women the most attractive. There are lots of members within this age group also but the age group spreads a lot wider. Though of course again you can be very attractive at all ages chances are you will become less aesthetically pleasing as you age.

Though I agree that making assumptions is usually a bad idea, I'm not assuming though, I'm making an estimation on knowledge that I know. I don't know what all members on camsites look like, but I have spent a decent amount of time working with the general public and it's pretty much never as attractive as camgirls are. I think it is unlikely that the average looking member on a camsite is more attractive than the average looking guy in real life, whilst I believe that the average looking camgirl is much higher than the average looking woman in real life. If you don't believe me then go out onto a normal street or take a ride on public transport.

I think Punk if you feel you're more attractive than most camgirls then congratulations! You are one amongst hundreds of thousands. But to be perfectly honest, going by your posts on here and the reactions you get off most women here personality wise you seem about as attractive as an old piece of cod. Maybe you should work on that. But hey, I guess a lot of girls are into that whole mean thing so maybe in real life it works really well for you!

Could we get back to the topic now rather than freaking out that I might have been personally insulting members? We've all seen lounge 1000, we've also all seen the large amount of dudes on MFC who are complete tools or clearly have some sort of mental issue. Seeing as we're on this forum and all interact pretty happily most of the time it's pretty obvious that a bunch of members being total morons doesn't mean all members are like that. Just like that, some members are super hot. Most aren't. The world isn't going to implode by admitting that. Fuck though, wouldn't life be awesome as a camgirl if most members were really hot?

 

[PunkInDrublic]

As with you.

Naw, I don't always disagree with camgirls. Sometimes I side with them and sometimes I disagree with them.

But what is your counter-argument to what I actually said?

My counter argument is that I don't care enough to argue with you about imaginary leagues so you win. Too high and happy and tired to argue about such stupid shit. Is this where you want to be when Jesus comes back? Arguing on the internet with some dude who doesn't even really care about the point he was trying to make?

I think Punk if you feel you're more attractive than most camgirls then congratulations! You are one amongst hundreds of thousands. But to be perfectly honest, going by your posts on here and the reactions you get off most women here personality wise you seem about as attractive as an old piece of cod. Maybe you should work on that. But hey, I guess a lot of girls are into that whole mean thing so maybe in real life it works really well for you!

lol you are easily the most bitter, miserable, delusional and just all around unlikable female this board has. For the record, never said anything about being more attractive. Said that if I was childish enough to break people into leagues/classes that women like you would be way beneath me. I'm sorry but you just are.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

For the record, never said anything about being more attractive. Said that if I was childish enough to break people into leagues/classes that women like you would be way beneath me.

To be honest I can't really be bothered to argue with you as we clearly dislike each other pretty mutually, but I never said anything about putting people into classes and was only talking about attractiveness in a person physically and personality wise. What else would I have been talking about in this subject? If you think it's childish to admit the basic reality that certain people are more attractive to the general population than others then that's fine. Personally I think it's just being realistic and people shouldn't be so sensitive about something that's not only basic psychology, it's also very apparent in every day life.

And hey, maybe to you I'm really unlikeable, but I get a whole load of complimentary messages and tips from people for stuff I write on this forum so I guess each to their own.

 

[LilyEvans]

Isabella I'm gonna be real with you.

Are you seriously saying that most of the time camgirls are out of a member's league in either looks or personality (or both) and then getting pissed when a member gets a little ruffled about that? Seriously?

I don't agree with Punk on a lot of things (to put it mildly) but I think he was being incredibly democratic in his response to you. What an incredibly rude thing for you to say. You keep saying that you are "estimating" or whatever when in reality you are just GUESSING. You're making weird assumptions that aren't really grounded in reality and using those assumptions to make generalizations that are honestly pretty tacky and offensive.

By your posts, Isabella, I often feel that your view on members of camsites is pretty unhealthy. I don't think there has been a single instance where I have seen you say something nice about members as a whole.

I think Punk if you feel you're more attractive than most camgirls then congratulations! You are one amongst hundreds of thousands. But to be perfectly honest, going by your posts on here and the reactions you get off most women here personality wise you seem about as attractive as an old piece of cod. Maybe you should work on that. But hey, I guess a lot of girls are into that whole mean thing so maybe in real life it works really well for you!

Punk NEVER said he was more attractive than most camgirls. He said that all things considered, if we were going by the (frankly juvenile) scale of "leagues" he would come out ahead of many camgirls. If Isabella can say that about camgirls why can't he turn the tables? They are both valid opinions and neither can be confirmed nor refuted, due to A) being subjective opinions and B) lacking data, since we neither know what Punk looks like nor what 99% of camsite members look like. And again, I'm no cheerleader for Punk but when posts like this spring up I can't say it doesn't seem like camgirls come off as high-and-mighty bitches with over-inflated egos.

Because honestly when I read the OP what I saw was:

"The idea of members being able to interact with me in 3D freaks me out, so I would rather appear on a flat screen to them; however, I would prefer to see things in 3D because a flat screen does nothing for me. It's also dangerous because men are too stupid to separate fantasy from reality, and I'm worried that some ugly bridge troll will start thinking he can land a hot babe like me."

 

[Camgirl]

Isabella I'm gonna be real with you.

Are you seriously saying that most of the time camgirls are out of a member's league in either looks or personality (or both) and then getting pissed when a member gets a little ruffled about that? Seriously?

I don't agree with Punk on a lot of things (to put it mildly) but I think he was being incredibly democratic in his response to you. What an incredibly rude thing for you to say. You keep saying that you are "estimating" or whatever when in reality you are just GUESSING. You're making weird assumptions that aren't really grounded in reality and using those assumptions to make generalizations that are honestly pretty tacky and offensive.

By your posts, Isabella, I often feel that your view on members of camsites is pretty unhealthy. I don't think there has been a single instance where I have seen you say something nice about members as a whole.

I think Punk if you feel you're more attractive than most camgirls then congratulations! You are one amongst hundreds of thousands. But to be perfectly honest, going by your posts on here and the reactions you get off most women here personality wise you seem about as attractive as an old piece of cod. Maybe you should work on that. But hey, I guess a lot of girls are into that whole mean thing so maybe in real life it works really well for you!

Punk NEVER said he was more attractive than most camgirls. He said that all things considered, if we were going by the (frankly juvenile) scale of "leagues" he would come out ahead of many camgirls. If Isabella can say that about camgirls why can't he turn the tables? They are both valid opinions and neither can be confirmed nor refuted, due to A) being subjective opinions and B) lacking data, since we neither know what Punk looks like nor what 99% of camsite members look like. And again, I'm no cheerleader for Punk but when posts like this spring up I can't say it doesn't seem like camgirls come off as high-and-mighty bitches with over-inflated egos.

Because honestly when I read the OP what I saw was:

"The idea of members being able to interact with me in 3D freaks me out, so I would rather appear on a flat screen to them; however, I would prefer to see things in 3D because a flat screen does nothing for me. It's also dangerous because men are too stupid to separate fantasy from reality, and I'm worried that some ugly bridge troll will start thinking he can land a hot babe like me."

I kept reading that quote thinking I had missed an entire post from Nordling, but then realized Nordling didn't say that snippet...I was so confused why his spelling turned British...

 

[LilyEvans]

Isabella I'm gonna be real with you.

Are you seriously saying that most of the time camgirls are out of a member's league in either looks or personality (or both) and then getting pissed when a member gets a little ruffled about that? Seriously?

I don't agree with Punk on a lot of things (to put it mildly) but I think he was being incredibly democratic in his response to you. What an incredibly rude thing for you to say. You keep saying that you are "estimating" or whatever when in reality you are just GUESSING. You're making weird assumptions that aren't really grounded in reality and using those assumptions to make generalizations that are honestly pretty tacky and offensive.

By your posts, Isabella, I often feel that your view on members of camsites is pretty unhealthy. I don't think there has been a single instance where I have seen you say something nice about members as a whole.

I think Punk if you feel you're more attractive than most camgirls then congratulations! You are one amongst hundreds of thousands. But to be perfectly honest, going by your posts on here and the reactions you get off most women here personality wise you seem about as attractive as an old piece of cod. Maybe you should work on that. But hey, I guess a lot of girls are into that whole mean thing so maybe in real life it works really well for you!

Punk NEVER said he was more attractive than most camgirls. He said that all things considered, if we were going by the (frankly juvenile) scale of "leagues" he would come out ahead of many camgirls. If Isabella can say that about camgirls why can't he turn the tables? They are both valid opinions and neither can be confirmed nor refuted, due to A) being subjective opinions and B) lacking data, since we neither know what Punk looks like nor what 99% of camsite members look like. And again, I'm no cheerleader for Punk but when posts like this spring up I can't say it doesn't seem like camgirls come off as high-and-mighty bitches with over-inflated egos.

Because honestly when I read the OP what I saw was:

"The idea of members being able to interact with me in 3D freaks me out, so I would rather appear on a flat screen to them; however, I would prefer to see things in 3D because a flat screen does nothing for me. It's also dangerous because men are too stupid to separate fantasy from reality, and I'm worried that some ugly bridge troll will start thinking he can land a hot babe like me."

I kept reading that quote thinking I had missed an entire post from Nordling, but then realized Nordling didn't say that snippet...I was so confused why his spelling turned British...

Oops, what the heck? That definitely was unintentional. I'm not sure how it happened.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Sorry what a mess.. This totally wasn't what I meant by my comment...

All I meant was that when a member goes to a camsite he'll find a model who he finds particularly attractive. All members go to camsites for different reasons so that reason wouldn't necessarily be that he couldn't get with a girl like this, but essentially when you watch camgirls on screen they're a fantasy. They are not always that sexy and fun and interesting, but on cam they are sexy and fun and interesting because that's what they're being paid to do. Of course when the model logs off she is just another girl, in most models cases in my opinion most models are above average looking girls, many are considerably above average, but when she logs off she'll also take her make up off etc and will become human again, she'll have flaws. (Not saying girls on cam don't have flaws but they tend to be muted to make her appear as attractive as possible)

So when a member visits the camsite he gets to choose a model for exactly his personality tastes and looks. Chances of him finding a girl in that way in real life are pretty slim and chances of him being able to date her are even smaller. The girls are out of the member's leagues because in reality you cannot pick girls in this way. It doesn't work. Though you have elements of choice even the most attractive people in the world have to accept what life gives them. Nor if he met the girl in real life would she be this awesome perfect, happy sexy woman that she always appears to be on cam.

When I say that the average attractiveness in models is higher than the average attractiveness in members I'm not saying it as an insult to the members, just that I think most models when they come on cam are looking hot as hell and that I think to entertain a room full of people with so many other models online you have to have a special amount of attractive qualities in your personality. Everyone has their own types obviously but when you pick a girl to view she will be your type which instantly increases her attractiveness to each viewer actually watching. I know it sounds complicated but it's the whole beauty is in the eye of the beholder thing.

Before even looking at what the member is like you've already got a relatively high standard which is personal to each member. Then you go back to my whole point before on looks and averages etc. Everyone has their own personal beauty standards. I've never been much one for looks and always go for personality and chemistry but someone good looking too me could be unattractive to someone else. The reason I used the word "league" was because you create this impossible scenario which can't be matched.
I've never really understood why people get so upset when it comes to anything looks based. I wouldn't be upset if someone said that in most cases professional writers are better at writing than people who read books. If you're a camgirl you're essentially "professionally attractive", it sounds weird but that's basically what you're doing.

As for my view on members on camsites being unhealthy, well, it is what it is. I don't think I've heard anyone on this forum ever say something positive referring to all members ever so I don't feel bad about not starting it up. But hey, I have formed many incredible friendships with members. They've enriched my life and have been there for me when I needed them. These people were the best thing about camming for me and I miss them terribly.

I act hard on here because I hate the idea of a members life being fucked up because he got too involved in fantasy. My only wish for the friends I became close to was that they would move on and find happiness. So yeah, it probably is unhealthy that I knew that the best thing for people I loved would be to at some point leave me. And yeah, it is upsetting when years later after them wondering into camland after a bump in the road they are still in the same situation and you wonder if this world you've been working in is part of what's stopping them from leaving the situation they've told you countless times they don't want to be in. Sure they're big boys and can do as they like and I'm selfishly happy to still be in contact with them but it still sucks balls. I'd rather have clear boundaries even if they aren't how I actually feel than risk a member being hurt. A lot of guys first visit camsites because they're in vulnerable situations mentally and I just can't take advantage of that even if by accident. So yes, back on topic, weird technology where people could be sucked into more virtual reality does scare me. It could be amazing technology but it could also really mess people up.

Oh and on the vibrator comment earlier... I don't use vibes for the reason that they desensitise me. I only use them on cam. I always use fingers alone because they don't have that effect.

But anyway, sorry that this has got way out of hand. I really didn't mean it in an offensive way or in any way to mean that I believe camgirls are somehow "better" than members.

 

[Teagan]

I wont get into whether or not models are more attractive than members. I will however comment on anyone saying that us camgirls do not know what the majority of members are like and whether we are out of their league or not.

Anyone who has spent a great deal of time camming knows that they would not date the mass majority of members. (Again not saying members would date more of the girls, this isnt about vs.) Taking safety out of the issue or how you met of course. We know this because we have seen cam to cam, we have seen behavior, we have seen the lounge, etc. So yes we have data on members and do know what we are talking about. As said that goes for MOST members, not all. There are the rare exceptions we open the cam and see a hottie, or have a decent convo, or they are genuinely gentlemen, but those are by far few and far between. For every great convo and gentlemen we get demanding, entitled, ugly, gross, or assholes in more than triplicate. There's a reason in models only that a lot of girls post on the rare occasion when they get a great talk with someone, or turn on a cam and it's a great looking guy, cause it's RARE ! So we are not assuming anything based on assumption alone, we are making them based on experiences MOST of us have. Whether we feel we are out of their "league" based on looks, personality, or both. Experience is not an assumption, it's cold hard data.

Other than that i think Punk took something Isabella said personally when she clearly said there was exceptions. He may be one, he may not, but taking something she said personally was his first mistake and all she did was react. I dont think he was democratic at all and it never is when you start talking shit about someone personally when she did not go there first, he did.

 

[Red7227]

I wont get into whether or not models are more attractive than members. I will however comment on anyone saying that us camgirls do not know what the majority of members are like and whether we are out of their league or not.

And you don't think the reverse is the case. I have models in my favourites I perv on when they are naked but never tip. I have other models in favourites that I kinda like as people who I stopped tipping or visiting because they became really successful and my tips would be a tiny fraction of their income. I also have a couple models I like in favourites who I hang out with and tip because I know my tips make a difference and I consider them friends. I dated one cam model for a while and am still in contact via email with a couple who no longer cam.

The other 1,000 or so models on line I pay no more attention to than basics. I meet most of the models I friend on here and then check out their rooms.

 

[Teagan]

And you don't think the reverse is the case. I have models in my favourites I perv on when they are naked but never tip. I have other models in favourites that I kinda like as people who I stopped tipping or visiting because they became really successful and my tips would be a tiny fraction of their income. I also have a couple models I like in favourites who I hang out with and tip because I know my tips make a difference and I consider them friends. I dated one cam model for a while and am still in contact via email with a couple who no longer cam.

The other 1,000 or so models on line I pay no more attention to than basics. I meet most of the models I friend on here and then check out their rooms.

As i said "I wont get into whether or not models are more attractive than members."

and

" (Again not saying members would date more of the girls, this isnt about vs.) "

I was making a point and staying out of the who is better looking debate. My comment was about anyone saying camgirls don't know what they are talking about as far as MOST members personalities and looks. Cause we do.

I understand other members not knowing what the others look like but we do cause we are the ones who cam to cam, see all the contact and personalities, and talk to each other about it. So yes we know way better than the members do about it. Again it's not an assumption being made, it's based on our experiences which can not be denied.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Other than that i think Punk took something Isabella said personally when she clearly said there was exceptions.

I didn't. Saw Isabella spewing her delusional ramblings and commented.

I dont think he was democratic at all and it never is when you start talking shit about someone personally when she did not go there first, he did.

Pretty sure she attacked me first and then I reacted. Something about a cod or something.

I understand other members not knowing what the others look like but we do cause we are the ones who cam to cam, see all the contact and personalities, and talk to each other about it. So yes we know way better than the members do about it. Again it's not an assumption being made, it's based on our experiences which can not be denied.

Based on my experiences which can not be denied most camgirls have pretty shitty personalities and average looks, not all but most. If I was like you and cared about leagues I wouldn't even respond to someone like you because of how beneath me you are in the big picture. I get that people like you like to pretend camgirls are somehow special and somehow better than members but sadly you aren't.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Models can certainly comment on the attractiveness of the members they've seen and maybe the majority of members they've seen are uggos. But they've still seen less than 1% of the members on the site they work on.

I think I'm arguing this not because I truly think that the majority of members are Brad Pitt-esque conquerers of pussy, but because this is the first time I'm learning that it might matter to models that they're not, and it seems strange to me. I'm not a particularly good looking guy - and I say this not to garner sympathy or because of sour grapes (the flipside of this is that whenever I've found myself in the bed of an attractive woman, I've been there not because of my looks, certainly not because of my money, but most likely because of my personality, which I can find great comfort in) - but I guess I'd like to think that didn't matter in camland. As a member, I'm not there to look for a partner, I'm not there to get laid; I'm there at the very least to look at naked internet boob ladies and at the very most to hang out with models I consider to be online friends. I don't think for a second that any of these models look at me in a romantic or sexual light, and I'm fine with that. It's inconsequential, ya know?

I get that some models worry that some members might develop feelings for them that won't ever be requited (she's out of his league, yo) and I get that models don't want members to allow their perception of women in the real world to be tainted by cam girls who by virtue of their profession, are hyper-sexualised, always-entertaining, unwaveringly happy, pleasure dispensers. But - and maybe I'm being naïve - to worry too much about either is to not give members enough credit. Yes, it happens, yes, it probably happens often, but for every member who falls in to that trap, there must be a thousand who are mature and responsible enough to avoid that pitfall.

I guess what I'm trying (and probably failing) to get at is that a) most members don't need to be emotionally babysat, and that b) the notion that models are out of member's leagues (even if ultimately true) is borne out of assumptions being made that go against the spirit of the cam girl/member relationship and didn't really need to be made in the first place.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Models can certainly comment on the attractiveness of the members they've seen and maybe the majority of members they've seen are uggos. But they've still seen less than 1% of the members on the site they work on.


I guess what I'm trying (and probably failing) to get at is that a) most members don't need to be emotionally babysat, and that b) the notion that models are out of member's leagues (even if ultimately true) is borne out of assumptions being made that go against the spirit of the cam girl/member relationship and didn't really need to be made in the first place.

Tis a pity that an interesting question on the impact of augmented reality and camming got threadjacked so badly.

I think Bob is right. The important thing for members and especially models to keep in mind is nobody really knows much about camsite viewer. About 20% of the viewers are premiums. Of that 20%, most don't talk. We've had threads on that subject. A small minority ask girls to view their cam in public chat. It was months before I did my first private, and I've turned my cam on exactly three times, twice at a models request. (Skype is different). I have no idea what percentage of guys do cam 2 cam in private, but I do know a fair number of models don't views cams, so guys who want to be seen gravitate toward girls who do C2C. Are guys who like to show off better or worse looking than average? Nobody knows. It is sort of like SPH, do these guys really have small dicks, its not like there is any research. Anecdotally, it seems that only a minority of member twitter accounts or MFC profiles have head shots. MFC gets about 10,000,000+ unique visitors a month, even the most popular and experienced models have seen hundreds of members, perhaps thousands if they go to conventions.

To me the most interesting questions is who are the basic, guests, and $20 premium who make up the lions share of the viewers? Are they 12 year old boys, unemployed dweebs living in their parents basement, or horny 20 year old something just fapping between booty calls, and laughing at all the guys who are paying good money for virtual sex. I am sure the answer is some of all three but I have absolutely no idea which group is the largest.

In the absence of any real data it is not only pointless to make assumptions, but as Bob says counterproductive.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I feel like the cam girl community is as equally diverse as the member community. We're all just people. we have conventionally pretty girls. unconventionally pretty girls. Sweet girls. mean girls. fun girls. boring girls. we're just girls, and members are just dudes (sometimes ladies )

And personality wise, the members who I actually converse with on the daily are 10 times better than the outdoor humans I often have to suffer through.. So I dunno man...

Maybe I'm a giant member ass kisser but my member frands are fucking amazing and I would be just another boring cam girl if they weren't part of my presence.

Not meaning to attack Isabella but yeah... that comment really rubbed me the wrong way to but hey, it's your opinion man. You're entitled to it I reckon, i just wouldn't be surprised if many disagreed with ya.

 

[zippypinhead]

We already have virtual experiences for sex. Hell, camming is a virtual experience. I do appreciate that something like 3-D visors are looking to make the experience somehow more immersive, but until some sort of sensory avatar that deals with touch comes on the market, it won't matter if it's 3-D or flat -- the "reality" part of virtual reality will be sorely lacking, especially when it comes to things like simulated sex. I suspect that waving your hands around in empty air in order to control your environment isn't going to be all that satisfying when what your brain wants is to feel some hot, supple, lusty flesh, or at least a fair facsimile thereof.

I'll just wait for animatronic sex bots.

 

[JoleneBrody]

We already have virtual experiences for sex. Hell, camming is a virtual experience. I do appreciate that something like 3-D visors are looking to make the experience somehow more immersive, but until some sort of sensory avatar that deals with touch comes on the market, it won't matter if it's 3-D or flat -- the "reality" part of virtual reality will be sorely lacking, especially when it comes to things like simulated sex. I suspect that waving your hands around in empty air in order to control your environment isn't going to be all that satisfying when what your brain wants is to feel some hot, supple, lusty flesh, or at least a fair facsimile thereof.

I'll just wait for animatronic sex bots.

They do have those real touch doo-hickeys but I don't think they've really taken off. Might be because they are limiting it to the site it's used on through.

 

[Teagan]

Other than that i think Punk took something Isabella said personally when she clearly said there was exceptions.

I didn't. Saw Isabella spewing her delusional ramblings and commented.

I think you did take it personally as you got personal in your response stating you in better physical shape and have more schooling than most camgirls. That's personal dude but whatever. Guess we'll disagree there.

I dont think he was democratic at all and it never is when you start talking shit about someone personally when she did not go there first, he did.

Pretty sure she attacked me first and then I reacted. Something about a cod or something.

Nope nope. You said " I'm sure tons of camgirls tell themselves that they are out of peoples leagues, extreme bitterness and delusions can make people convince themselves of some pretty hilarious things." You attacked her in a round about thinly veiled way but it was very obvious you were talking about her and others. That's an attack, and she responded. Again we'll just disagree though.

I understand other members not knowing what the others look like but we do cause we are the ones who cam to cam, see all the contact and personalities, and talk to each other about it. So yes we know way better than the members do about it. Again it's not an assumption being made, it's based on our experiences which can not be denied.

Based on my experiences which can not be denied most camgirls have pretty shitty personalities and average looks, not all but most. If I was like you and cared about leagues I wouldn't even respond to someone like you because of how beneath me you are in the big picture. I get that people like you like to pretend camgirls are somehow special and somehow better than members but sadly you aren't.

Now this part is just sad to me as you're simply attacking me for not agreeing with you. All i said was it was experience as a camgirl what most members are like. Maybe I should have been more clear to say it's experience based on contact with those members as most do not ever talk or interact, but it's still experience. I never commented on the member side of things so you're entitled to feel how you do on that.

What I will not take though is being attacked by someone who has no clue who I am. You don't know me Punk and it's pathetic you would try to attack me in any way for simply not agreeing with you and your viewpoint. Get over yourself. Lemme tell you some things though so you can get a better picture since your assumptions are way off base.
* I do not care about leagues and never said I did.
* I do not believe in leagues and think it's very hmiddle school.
* I do believe that the vast majority of cam members who come into contact with girls are beneath them as those vast majority scream demands like "ass bb." That to me is not cool and shows a bad personality so therefore if you do believe in leagues they are below them. Not every member acts like that thankfully and when those come in who talk like normal adults it is wonderful and I appreciate them beyond belief. Sadly they are few and far between as far as who talks and who doesn't. I wish there were more though.
* In real life I could care less what people look like. Even people I date. What attracts me to someone is their personality and how they make me feel. I don't wanna look at my husband in 40 years and think "well at least he used to look good." I wanna sit with him at the dinner table and have another interesting conversation with him like always. Looks fade, always looks fade, and a worth while man with a great personality is what will always attract me.
Same with my friends. Have a good heart and be a good person and I will be a friend for life. Looks have never mattered to me in the slightest even in high school. I'd show pics of my exes but won't violate their privacy but most girls would probably say on a whole they are not Brad Pitts. What they did have is they were good people and that draws me in like fire when you're cold.
And that goes for cam members as well to me. Dont care what you look like, just bring some personality and convo to me and we'll be besties if we have some similar interests. Talk Zelda to me, Fallout, 90s bands, cats, make me laugh, or a ton of other things except "ass bb" and it will go swimmingly. Looks are not important in any relationship to me. IRL or online.

I will lastly say to you I have never once felt I was better or above most members on camsites. Who I am above though is you Punk. You really seem like a miserable human being 90% of the time on this forum. I do hope you find happiness one day as everyone deserves that. You seem very unpeaceful, very bitter yourself, and very argumentative and close minded. So you are not someone I would ever have in my life in any way. I don't surround myself with people like that. I am not saying this to attack you and it's not anything you haven't heard before, but simply letting you know me better as your assumptions of me like I said were way off base. I am one of the nicest people you could ever meet, UNTIL you attack me. I will stand up for myself every time.

@Bob I wrote all this before reading your reply but I could not agree more with a ton of what you said. Plus "pleasure dispensers" totally made me laugh out loud and made my cat jump. :lol:

 

[Red7227]

We already have virtual experiences for sex. Hell, camming is a virtual experience. I do appreciate that something like 3-D visors are looking to make the experience somehow more immersive, but until some sort of sensory avatar that deals with touch comes on the market, it won't matter if it's 3-D or flat -- the "reality" part of virtual reality will be sorely lacking, especially when it comes to things like simulated sex. I suspect that waving your hands around in empty air in order to control your environment isn't going to be all that satisfying when what your brain wants is to feel some hot, supple, lusty flesh, or at least a fair facsimile thereof.

I'll just wait for animatronic sex bots.

Yeah, 3D visual is not much of an advance over 2D, and I still think the best virtual experience is a good book. Anamatronic sex slaves are a posibility, but I'm be using mine mostly for housework.