Cam Girls for middle east!

[james5137]

Hi

As everyone know all webcam websites in middle east are blocked!
So being a cam girl in middle east will bring more money "no competitors at all"

I'm looking on some cam girls to work with me on this idea,
My job is to bring customers, while their job to make a show,
I have lived in middle east for almost 15 years, I know what exactly this market needs, I'm spaciest in social media marketing and a web programmer.
So if anyone interesting in this idea let me know.

 

[EmptyKins]

I'm interested in how you would physically protect the middle eastern girls that would be making money for you.

 

[james5137]

Only on Cam, no physical things! "no traveling" they will work from home, it doesn't matter where they live.
"making money for you"
Well they are not making money for me! we are working together!
I'm the man in the middle

 

[Emberblaze]

All I'm reading is...

"Hey gals I'm looking for you to take legal risks for me so that I can sit back and cash in on your hard earned pussy money doing things that are completely unnecessary and you can quickly and easily do for yourself."

I really wish little boys could stop getting their hardons thinking about making money off our vaginas while putting women at risk.

Why don't you put yourself on cam instead if there's such a market for it. Stop trying to make money off sex workers.

 

[Emberblaze]

Even better I just read your into post.

So you used to cam but decided it was just too much or you couldn't make any money at it so you expect women to do it for you.

Cool story bro. Tell it again.

 

[JickyJuly]

Worst idea anyone here has had in a while. When you say "middle east" what countries are you specifically trying to work with? Curious as to the damage and liability you are willing to have these women face for your middle man pocket change.

 

[TemporarilyWhining]

Why should anybody risk their lives to do this?

You don't specify what country, but in Saudi Arabia, women just got the right to drive, and they are just beginning to show movies in a theater. Being gay is illegal and persecuted by imprisonment in places like Morocco. Honor killing is widespread in the Middle East. Qandeel Moloch from Pakistan was murdered by her brother and what she did was tame compared to camming. Doesn't seem like starting with illegal web porn is a good way to advance equality and human rights in places where camming would only prove exactly what conservative nations are afraid of. It's called being a pimp. You don't have your face/body/home on camera, so you're not at physical risk But these women, for the rest of their lives, risk imprisonment, murder, loss of marriage possibilities, likely loss of custody of their children, having acid thrown in their face... even long after their camming days are over.

It's one thing to fight for the equality of women. For the right to simply live their lives as full human beings, the same as men. It's quite another to risk their lives for pure profit, all for the glorification of men's useless dicks. Camming in a country where it is illegal is just stupid and dangerous - especially for the women whose identities will be captured on the internet forever.

 

[Kiki Jane]

No, bad idea. A teenage boy was arrested in Saudi Arabia for doing the Macarena in public. I'd say, leave the M.E. market alone...

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/midd...ce-arrest-teenage-boy-dancing-macarena-street

 

[james5137]

wow I received so much hate
So I put cam girls in danger!
How in the hell I do that? They are working online from their house in their country not in the middle east!
If I put their life in danger what about me? I'm the man in the middle! I contact people!
"try making money from girls"
What about chaturbate and other websites! I'm the only bad guy here!
Earning money these days between all competitors is not easy! I'm trying to find new market!
Second yeah I was a cam guy when I was in college! after I have finished I start working with my certificate! do you have a problem with that! it's my life and my choice @Emberblaze
@Kiki Jane They will work from their countries how they will be arrested!

 

[Carmita Bonita]

wow I received so much hate
So I put cam girls in danger!
How in the hell I do that? They are working online from their house in their country not in the middle east!
If I put their life in danger what about me? I'm the man in the middle! I contact people!
"try making money from girls"
What about chaturbate and other websites! I'm the only bad guy here!
Earning money these days between all competitors is not easy! I'm trying to find new market!
Second yeah I was a cam guy when I was in college! after I have finished I start working with my certificate! do you have a problem with that! it's my life and my choice @Emberblaze
@Kiki Jane They will work from their countries how they will be arrested!

Okay so we're VERY used to dudes coming here trying to get a piece of the pie plus the original post sounded very confusing. So since you're saying they'll be in their own countries...why would they need you or this idea? If you want to do marketing for camsites just use a white label and use your advertising skills that way-easy peasy.

If western websites are blocked why even go through the trouble of marketing this so-called 'untapped market' which is already high-risk unless every dude uses a VPN and assuming they will even pay for camgirl services. What is the legality of that when you're focusing on marketing something that is banned? They may not get arrested but would it even be a well-worth risk for you? All of it sounds hella sketchy. So how would you bring customers? I mean, why bother when major camsites provide plenty of traffic as it is and camgirls are thriving.

TL;DR: Even clarified your idea doesn't sound stable/doable/beneficial for camgirls & isn't something the industry is in need of.

 

[james5137]

@Carmita Bonita I guess people miss understood me
"why not using white label" well, that's will doesn't work because they will block the website,
Most escort girls there use privet groups to find their customers,
And I know how I can get into that market, I'm not escorting here, I just want to build loyal VIP customers for cam shows,
There is no risk at all, no one can reach the girls "they are working from their countries inside their home"
"why they don't use VPN" because VPN also blocked they can't use it.
It will be a privet group, only for loyal customers,
I'm not forcing anyone here, It's just an idea inside my head science I was in college
I see a market full of opportunities, and easy to reach..

 

[BiancaBaker]

GO away dude.

No girl needs you we can work ourselves. We don't need a guy to make us money. You understand we make more money than you do right? the whole point of cam modelig/fetish modeling is to be your own boss. So why the fuck would some random girl trust a guy she doesn't know to make her money? and then share it with you? are you delusional? Yes you must be... Because in what freaking world would anyone trust a stranger? I barely trust my own family I deff do NOT trust some random dude on the internet with 0 knowledge on how to bring traffic, monetize traffic. You don't even say how much YOU are spending to drive traffic or anything.. Come on dude.


Why don't YOU get on chaturbate and make your own money? You understand that would be more lucrative than whatever the fuck you are trying to do?

 

[james5137]

@BiancaBaker Well if you have trust issues it's not my problem!
I'm not forcing anyone here!
"0 knowledge on how to bring traffic" well it's very clear you don't know anything about the middle east market, you can't bring traffic like what you think!
Second if you are that smart "In marketing" you can bring your own money without needing other platform to bring customers, and it seems you fail at that too, why people use chaturbate!
Also you are thinking only in girls that live in USA or Europe, there is a lot of other girls that live in Asia for example and they barely made money because they have a lot of competitors, also not all girls are cute, not all of them will make the same amount of money between all these cute girls around!
Do you know that chaturbate give more money for people who live in USA! and less for the people who live in Asia!

I'm the bad guy now! wow

 

[Dan Epstein]

As someone who lives in the Middle East for over 30 years, I got to ask you, ya zalame, what are you trying to do exactly? Why don't you go to the GFY forum, and hook up with some affiliates and find a program?
You should know that some of the best affiliates and marketers I know are from the Middle East and the Maghreb. You can get excellent traffic and excellent conversions without interfering with an inch of the models aspect, and actually assist, and everyone is happy.
Most of the big streaming websites have various affiliate programs, and with excellent revenue share plans.
With regards to trust issues, you are missing the point. Bianca and her partner can teach you how two people can be independent creators, affiliates, and managers of themselves as a growing business. It is not your job as an affiliate that brings traffic (and good one I hope), to go into the models pockets.
There's way too much time wasted on arguing here, and not enough on getting these conversions

 

[james5137]

Ya zalame lol, you can't use affiliates programs, because no one can reach your website from middle east!
To be specific not all middle eastern countries have this problem, Morocco for example can reach any websites.
I'm focusing on Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, these countries can't reach any of these websites or even use VPN
It's true, there is a lot of middle eastern people work on this but not inside, to the outside..

 

[Dan Epstein]

This brings us to the core of the discussion.
If you wish to bring traffic from locations in which the IP addresses are restricted for various reasons, and perhaps even the ability to pay for content, what is the novelty that you intend to bring?

 

[nzhere]

He seems to be after the niche muslim ladies fetish market

 

[Dan Epstein]

He seems to be after the niche muslim ladies fetish market

Don't underestimate that niche my friend, it works super well with the French speaking and Russian speaking crowds. Why the hell do I know this by the way?

 

[james5137]

"If you wish to bring traffic from locations in which the IP addresses are restricted for various reasons, and perhaps even the ability to pay for content, what is the novelty that you intend to bring?"
Finlay to the main subject, As you know you can't reach these websites, but you can make skype sessions "there is other better options" for groups underground..
They will pay directly into the model Paypal account, then I will take my percent for the marketing.
Marketing over twitter, Instagram it's impossible to block it "not nude" to reach this market, and yes I have been into this market a couple of times, and I know it worth the effort.

For example a bottle of whiskey will cost around $100 outside, while in middle east will cost you around $500 "middle east I mean Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, because it's rare..
The same with girls, escort can make so much more in middle east, "I'm only focusing on web cam shows"

"Don't underestimate that niche my friend, it works super well with the French speaking and Russian speaking crowds. Why the hell do I know this by the way?" you see some of models discovered that niche..

 

[Dan Epstein]

And I thought I was making progress here
You just mentioned the "P" word. This is not a personal insult, however it is clear to me that you have no experience with the adult space, this is not a market place like Nabeesh, or Shopify.
We are an industry that prides itself on compliance, legitimacy, and transparency. Even a sublet like me knows it by now.

 

[james5137]

I know paypal it's tricky for these things, and they can take their money back and block the account, but also there is other tricks to bay pass that..
"Work smarter not harder" You was in middle east and you know how much they will pay for these things..
For girls from USA and western Europe, it's not worth the efforts, because chaturbate already pay more for them, but for the other side of the world, it make a difference

 

[Dan Epstein]

Okay, this is the funniest session I had since Nekhat Lebanese or Adel Imam.
There's no need to bypass anything. Focus on the legit converting traffic you can bring, and be a successful affiliate my friend.

 

[Dan Epstein]

That's Adel Imam for you, you'll get the context hopefully

 

[james5137]

I didn't say I'm an expert in adult industry! But I know exactly how to reach this market and make a difference.

The normal way for anyone who want to start this career is to take white label or affiliate program, and start fighting between all these websites,
While you can start alone away from all these headache, and take the whole cake in middle east, because you are the only one who knows how to enter this market.

Well at least you got my point thanks habebe for adel imam lol

 

[DJ_Pioneer]

Another guy with nothing to show except for vague promises. The last guy trying to get a piece of the pie at least had made a crappy website.

 

[nzhere]

James you don't have clue Chaturbate pay all models 5 u.s cents per token. They no longer give a 3c rate for those in the Philippines.
So you don't even know those basic facts, put your pimp hat away and find your own income

 

[Emberblaze]

James you don't have clue Chaturbate pay all models 5 u.s cents per token. They no longer give a 3c rate for those in the Philippines.
So you don't even know those basic facts, put your pimp hat away and find your own income

Did you just say something positive about chaturbate? *Faints*

 

[Mintx]

Uh... I think this a terrible idea. Sorry, dude.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I quit explaining, constructing a streaming website takes more than a page in wordpress and a domain in Godaddy.

 

[paige_orion]

You are not going to find your target audience here. You are very convinced that you have a stellar idea, and don't seem to be listening to any of the concerns (or alternative ideas) that people are presenting. You are going to find THOUSANDS of independent cam-models on these boards. Most of us are our own bosses, run our own businesses, and keep our earnings. The idea of having a man come along and try to get a slice of our earnings... Being a middle-man is a pimp. It's different with big sites like MFC or Chaturbate - they are providing a platform that we pay to use. We are renting our digital work-space from them so to speak, not paying a digital pimp who just brings clients. While they do profit off of our work, they are giving us just as much - a space to work in, technology to thrive with, clients, advertising, services like DMCA take-downs and tech support. They do far more to earn their slice than be a "middle man".

But when a man comes here, unable to offer all of the above and yet still trying to get a slice of the sex-worker pie... It gets very old, very fast. Dudes come here all of the time, trying to make money off of the hard work of models. They are always convinced that they have the greatest idea, that they are going to make so much money, yet most of them refuse to listen to the concerns of the models, who have actual experience in the industry. You aren't really offering anything new. You're not offering a service, a website - it just sounds like you want to be a digital-pimp.

This is not your target audience. A group of fiercely independent, hard-working models is going to have a problem with an inexperienced man trying to profit off of women, especially women who could be placing themselves in great danger for your wallet. It's offensive and frankly dangerous.

The fact that Paypal is your chosen payment plan shows that you have a LOT of learning to do about this industry. Paypal hates sex-workers and adult models - that's pretty much Camming 101. You need to do a lot more research if you want to help anyone succeed, let alone keep them safe. You say that you know how to reach this market, and yet your method to pay models is to try to trick Paypal and hope they don't catch on? That screams shadiness and inexperience. That doesn't inspire much trust in your knowledge of the adult industry. Normally, I probably would just bite my lip and let you try this venture and fail. But the fact that you are trying to encourage women in areas where it can be literally risking their lives, and yet you seem so brand-new to the adult industry... That's a frightening combination. It's irresponsible and dangerous, and I encourage you to listen to these concerns. Dan had a great alternative for you, a way to make some money without putting anyone else at risk.

But your original idea, encouraging women to risk their lives so you can make some money? While seeming to know very little about the industry that you're encouraging them to pursue?

Nah, man. You're not going to find any fans of that idea here.