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chaturbate.com - Discrimination of models from the EU?

Discussion in 'General Cam Chat' started by nasti2002, Mar 12, 2018.

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  1. nasti2002

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    Today my account is blocked again. And as always, the support is silent. The previous ban was connected with driving a car. Ok, I did not drive on a car this time. But the account is blocked. The support itself allowed the only condition for the car to be parked. i thinks that the suport does not know what to do. It results that i can not be in the car at all ?? Or only I can not? There are models that also drive a car, but the account is active. (See pictures in the attachment - Chat with 222camon222). You can see only I can not do the translation in the car. Although a year ago, the support itself let me broadcast in the car while driving. (See pictures in the Annex - Mail - 1). It seems that there is some discrimination or support does not work properly. As for Shirley (login), she herself got involved in conversations about driving a car and did not forbid anything. It seems that they have some algorithm: if the model is top (I am like this, 3 times in a week I was in first place after 2h), other models start reporting abuse and they block without looking and not checking the evidence. Maybe I do not bring too much money, but also for this cash could be more to apply to their work.
     

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  2. nasti2002

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    @punker_barbie, What would you say for that? How long will you be silent or write to write to support?
     
  3. Mila_

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    It seems to me Chaturbate is understaffed and they need the algorithm because anyone who turns on their cam can be featured on the main page, even without age verification, since the company is responsible for the content that is streamed on their site they need an automated system to put a stop to crazy shit people could do on cam.

    That said... the fact that they don't have a whitelist boggles the mind. Verified models with longevity and a proven record of good behavior should be white listed and banning them should require a staff member's eyes to go through. But if they did not learn their lesson with Kati3Kat's departure it is unlikely this will change.
     
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  4. Mintx

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    I wonder what the Chaturbate support room looks like. I need pics, 'cause I'm guessing it is one person surrounded by empty emergency vodka bottles and broken shot glasses.
     
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  5. TemporarilyWhining

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    Chaturbate T.O.S.: "Contributors are prohibited from broadcasting outdoors unless the broadcast is done from private property, with the property owner’s consent, and in an area that is not visible from any neighboring property."
    So I thought that meant no cars, especially not on a public street, or where other people can see you.

    Whether another model gets away with it is irrelevant. I see models breaking T.O.S. rules all the time. But, it's whether or not they get reported, and how long it takes for Chaturbate to enforce. And yeah, it seems like maybe they have their favorites. But I don't see what this has to do with the EU at all. They enforce, or don't enforce, all over the map depending on who got reported and when they feel like getting around to it. Best to avoid situations that can be perceived as breaking the rules, if this bothers you.

    BTW, the rule is in place for legal reasons. When you do anything that is connected with pornography where other people can see it, it exposes the company to laws about pornography in a public space and indecent exposure, disturbing the peace, etc.Laws are different for what you do in your home vs. what you do in front of neighbors - even if you were not being sexual in the car - it is still being broadcast on a porn site, which can cause problems for Chaturbate if the country's law enforcement get involved.
     
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  6. nasti2002

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    @TemporarilyWhining, please see the screen from the first post, and only write later. The area was private chaturbate has all the evidence.
     
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    I legitimately don't know how Chaturbate hasn't gotten in trouble for something being broadcast under the exhibitionist banner while waiting for ID verification.
     
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  8. Mila_

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    Because they are a platform. They aren't liable if they can prove they act in an expeditious manner to remove illegal content streamed by its users. Hence the algorithm.
     
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  9. nasti2002

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    today I got the answer (See pictures in the attachment - mail - 3), of course, they did not write what exactly had been broken (((((
    Account has also not been unblocked. Or it was blocked again ??? (See pictures in the attachment - ban - 1)
     

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  10. CorinneCooper

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    I can see a place of business in the background which would imply that it is not private. A car outside on a street, even if parked, is not private. This is what you got flagged for, I'd imagine. They honestly don't have to give you an answer, and more often than not, don't give an answer at all.
     
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  11. Mila_

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    If you know cars are a gray area then don't dabble in that unless you can shoulder the responsibility like an adult.

    That said, the fact that support tells you you have been unbanned when you haven't is very unprofessional.
     
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  12. nasti2002

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    I am tell you too: read and understand the first post, and add the commentary to the later. On the main post in attached files for name: Chat with 222camon222 has another member of the chatrubate, who rides on the publick roads and is not baned. Thank you.
     
  13. CorinneCooper

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    And I am telling you-- it doesn't matter what someone else does. If you do it and get reported and banned, then it is still on you.

    The deal with CB is.. they rely heavily on reports from other users as they don't have the staff to monitor all rooms 24/7. Someone likely reported you and that is that. Getting rude with people who try to explain this to you is not going to help you, nor will it inspire anyone to wish to help you out with your situation.

    Cam girls violate rules all the time with no consequence... but when one gets popped for it, they don't get to complain that they were banned "for no reason". There are reasons-- unfair ones perhaps since they are never evenly applied-- but there are reasons.

    By the reading of the rules-- you cannot cam from your vehicle unless it is either parked in your own personal garage.. or on your own property with nobody else being able to see you. That would also mean that nobody watching you can see any other houses, buildings, or people that walk by. That's a pretty hard standard to meet consistently, unless you are, of course, in your garage.
     
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  14. nasti2002

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    First of all: The car was parked and was at the best price. (as I wrote on the first post). Secondly: I was not polite with anyone here ?? offended someone? I'm sorry. I only pay attention to the fact that u read the first post several times.
     
  15. CorinneCooper

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    Was the car outside.. or was the car inside a garage? If the car was outside, then there is your answer. Someone (likely several someones) reported you. It happens to models on top because they have more exposure and people in their rooms. It happened to kati3kat... and she was probably their highest income model. And-- she didn't even break a rule, just had a mass of people report her out of spite... by the time they fixed the error, she moved her fans to MFC and gave CB the finger.

    CB is notorious for this kind of thing.
     
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  16. nasti2002

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    @CorinneCooper,
    do you work only on MFC?

    PS: The car was outside, but the support has terrain photos
     
  17. CorinneCooper

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    MFC and Streammate. I refuse to do CB precisely due to their crap treatment of models/lack of support. I'm not giving up 50% of my earnings for poor treatment and bad support. This has been an ongoing thing. Stories like yours happen ALL the time and I won't bother with risking my livelihood on a site that treats its income producers so poorly.

    I feel for you-- I really do. But likely what happened is that someone got her friends to mass report you and they shut models down without even looking. It sucks across the board-- but it happens every day. If they had a true interest in fixing the problem, they would have by now. This has been going on as long as CB has been around.
     
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  18. Wolf_3_5_9

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    I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a (probably over-worked) CB support person here... Even if I have terrain photos, I'm not going to spend more than 5 seconds to try to figure out whether the footage that was reported matches up with your terrain photos. It's much easier for me to just ban you and say "don't cam in public", and move on to my next support ticket. Support personnel are not your personal concierges; if you make their job easy as possible (don't even come close to a rules boundary), and you'll have a better time.

    Also, even if support has your terrain photos, the members don't. If they think you're camming in public, they're still going to hit that "report" button. If support sees multiple reports for you coming in about the same thing, they're going to side with the safe answer of banning you instead of spending extra time to cross-reference your terrain photos.
     
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  19. nasti2002

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    But they take 50% need to work better. I hope that for such a cash they must not only check, but report to us about such things, that it would not be the button "report".
     
  20. punker barbie

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    The safety of broadcasters is one of our top priorities. Driving a vehicle while broadcasting is a dangerous activity that we cannot condone. We never want to ban someone from the Chaturbate platform, but @nasti2002 you have regrettably left us little choice given that all warnings and account reinstatement requirements have been ignored.

    @nasti2002, you state that you believe your account was terminated based on some form of discrimination or bias, but your account was banned for driving while on cam after being warned on four separate occasions not to do so. As far as your report about another independent broadcaster operating their vehicle while broadcasting, we had already warned that independent broadcaster just as we did with you, but the other independent broadcaster stopped the dangerous driving while broadcasting behavior immediately.

    Regarding your account, we’re not inclined to reactivate it given your actions, which not only violate our terms but also put you and others in danger. But if you would still like to be a member of the Chaturbate community and believe there has been some misunderstanding, you may contact support to discuss how we can be assured that there will not be any further violations of our terms or policies.
     
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  21. nasti2002

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    @punker barbie, please show evidence that I was broadcasting while driving, after the last ban. I did not broadcast and the videos from rec-tube.com confirm it. And if you can not prove it, please unblock and apologize for it.

    I did not raise any rules, and the fact that the support does not reply to the mail with a request for evidence, confirms the theories of discrimination.
     
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    Whether you did or didn't drive, did or didn't have people in the background etc.
    If you had been banned and warned previously, why continue to even risk the idea of potentially being banned again and this time permanently?

    I would expect the majority of models would receive a ban and then think "oh sh!t, that was close... I won't do that again.. lesson learned" EVEN IF you see people that are violating the terms and seemingly have nothing done to them.

    Just because other people may or may not be getting away with stuff, doesn't mean you should follow suit and knowingly violate TOS when you know it can/will get you banned.
    For me it makes no sense, personally.
     
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  23. nasti2002

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    the support allowed to broadcast in the car. (see attachment - mail 4)


    Write exactly where it is written that you can not transmit in the car?
     

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  24. CorinneCooper

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    They don't allow for public broadcast and it is EASY for them to make the argument that a car is inherently in a public place unless it is clearly in a garage. Particularly if you've been warned before, which would give them less inclination to work with you.

    If you've been warned for it in the past and opted to broadcast from your vehicle again (driving or not) then frankly, that's on you.
     
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  25. nasti2002

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    the support allowed to broadcast in the car. (see attachment - mail 4), and support knows that this is a private area. support also agreed to broadcast from this place (see attachment - mail 1).

    PS: I was banned due to broadcasting while driving, not because of public places
     

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  26. Mila_

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    I don’t know why certain people tend to think rules don’t apply to them or that they can break the rules with no consequence and when they get in trouble for it it’s this huge surprise. Girl, you were warned and banned 3 times before. You would think that was enough to take the hint. People like this tend to come from lawless countries so they aren’t used to rules and laws being enforced so they have a hard time understanding that actions have consequences in other countries. What is it about the car that you can’t seem to be able to cam without it? Does it take breaking the rules and camming in public places for you to make money?
     
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  27. nasti2002

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    He says that there is discrimination. She did not break any rules. Can you show what point I've broken and how? Edytuj
     
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    I was banned for driving, not for public places.
     
  29. CorinneCooper

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    Discrimination would be

    Performer A gets warned/suspended 3 times for something--- then gets banned

    Performer B gets warned/suspended 3 times for something-- and does not get banned.

    Punker flat out stated that in your case you were given multiple warnings and you continued-- and the other person you attempted to narc out was warned and STOPPED the behavior.

    That is not discrimination.

    Moreover... I'm guessing that perhaps the feed was reviewed and it was determined that you were in fact driving-- otherwise I can't see punker making a statement on the matter as she did. I could be wrong-- but Punker usually doesn't comment on these threads at all unless she has her ducks in a row.
     
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  30. nasti2002

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    I just got a ban, no precaution. after 14 days she was unlocked and again ban. Support wrote that I can broadcast in the car (see attachment - mail 4)

    If they checked why there is no evidence. I think they did not check and they did not want to.

    Please check the same recording from Sunday for rec-tube:
    [link removed - Amber]
    [I am sure chaturbate admins can view archives of your show, no need to direct-link a pirate vid site.]
     
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