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In this lengthy epistle to the webcamming community I am including here in this forum I will be including information how websites that will not adhere to DMCA requests to have videos taken down can be crushed. There are many websites out there that flaunt their ability to exist beyond the reach of DMCA requests. These sites have been allowed to get away with this attitude because, really, what can be done? It would seem nothing. That's not true. In fact, these sites can be destroyed using their own methods and what they rely on against them. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, but it can be done. Best of all no heavy lifting, no money, and no weird downloads are required; just coordination and dedication. That's the good news. The downside, if you can call it a downside, is it would take time and some effort.

Before I do that though I want to explain why -- as someone who is not a cam model, but a fan of the business, and a fan of what the business can mean for multiple arenas of the sociological spectrum, from the arts to how the internet, and even economies, can work -- this subject interests and concerns me. After I accomplish transmitting these personal sentiments I will very matter-of-factly detail how direct and devastating action can be taken against a disreputable site that fails to take into consideration the people they are hurting after they've been asked to remove specific content yet take no action.

Just after turning thirty a number of years ago, before I was diagnosed with the autoimmune disease I would eventually be diagnosed with, I was crippled for the better part of a year. Nobody could figure out what it was I was dealing with before I was diagnosed. The only thing anyone could figure was that it was Lyme disease. I wound up having to spend six months in bed unable to walk in chronic pain. I was essentially dead to the world. Forced isolation can really take a toll on someone's mental state. Forced isolation while also in chronic pain with no apparent diagnosable reason is even worse. Eventually, I was finally diagnosed and I was put on a medication which got me out of bed and able to walk again and return to the life I had before, but the point is, as a result of the pain and isolation I was on the verge of insanity that year.

The only reason why I did not go insane was that I wasn't completely isolated and cut off from the world. There were livestreaming cam models which allowed me to hold onto the last tendrils of sanity I was dealing with. Nobody was there for me, nobody really could be there for me; people have lives to live and bills to pay. But cam models were there. I never really got into the issues I was dealing with, I didn't have to. Just being able to interact with a living person was enough, even if it was through a digital interface. It helped.

I've heard cam models and cam model advocates say that one of the things they do --as in, one of the services they provide -- is something akin to armchair psychotherapist. Nothing truer could ever be said. So, on that personal note alone, I feel a sense of gratitude to people who take up this kind of work. Those models that were there for me around the time just after I had turned thirty are no longer around. They've moved on and are doing other things. Now, as I'm getting ready to turn forty, as a result of evolving technology, it would seem that the business that saved my sanity is in a transitionary stage and so I write this as a small means of honoring the service that they did for me knowing that in the future there will be others like me, and worse off than me, who may find that cam models may be less of something like a luxury and more like a necessity.

Just speaking socially, though, one thing that I've really come to appreciate about webcamming is how it represents a revolutionary form of how business in adult entertainment can be done, where middlemen and creepy producers are cut out of the process and the fruits that the labor produces goes to the person putting the labor into it and to those who make the distribution of that labor possible (the websites who run the servers and develop the software).

How labor is exploited by ruling rich classes in society in general or in adult entertainment specifically is a subject I can write 100-page essays on, so I won't say too much else about it. But webcamming (potentially) represents a smashing of the old paradigmatic donkey wheel of value being created, or even extracted, by labor being exploited and reaped by the rich and ruling class. In adult entertainment at least. But as history has shown us, as goes "pornography" goes the rest of society.

Therefore, it is incredibly frustrating to learn of websites who resort to providing platforms for users to then sign up and join and illicitly and unethically upload the content of others for those uploaders to bask in the social currency of "likes" and "follows" within the social communities that develop within said sites.

I should also add this, I am not one somebody who is entirely opposed to file sharing or uploading of certain content and I never refer to it as piracy, because I don't consider replicated material as stolen material. It's just the nature of the beast that when you do something on the internet you're dealing with information -- ones and zeroes -- and like someone smarter than me once said, "Information wants to be free." ... The same technology that allows people to make a living livestreaming is essentially the same technology that allows people to capture those streams or download and then re-upload the content. In fact, I've gone on the record in the past in saying that in some instances someone's livestreams being replicated could have short and long-term benefits for the performer appearing in the illicitly and unethically uploaded content. Unethical being the keyword. I've never considered it an ethical activity -- for people to upload replicated content to engage in -- but I've always been a realist when it comes to this issue who simply understands the nature of the beast when information is what is being dealt with. The free and open and neutral nature of the Internet is what concerns me more. I prefer an equal and open internet where information can be shared rather than ruled. That's my preference -- at least when and where it can be helped. Particularly when there is the DMCA option. It is a good law when it originally came into being.

Of course, though I do have my preference I also understand that there are exceptions when unethical behavior detrimental to the Internet and people who make their living or supplement their income on it is concerned.

So though I If a livestreamer or video content producer produces content that has been uploaded by another party onto another platform that video content producer has every right to request it be removed. So sites, such as PornHub, for example, which seems to respect the DMCA request, I have no problems with. As for sites which ignore these requests, and openly laugh and mock people citing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act when asking for their content to be removed, these sites I have no respect for and I consider them a major problem.

Cam sites seem to be going through a transitionary phase. People are noticing less traffic on the sites as in years past. Whether the traffic is less or not is not something I have analytics on. So I don't know if it's happening or not. But if it is there would be a number of reasons why. Illicit tubesites would not be the only reason why, but they certainly would constitute a major variable in the equation.

Why would someone go to a cam site to interact and pay superstar cam models like Jenny Blighe, Austin White, Ora Young, Baby Metal, Alicia Cano, etc, etc, etc … when they can just go onto a website such as camvideos.tv and see them there? In some instances have access to a great deal, or even all, of their ManyVids and premium content as well. Camvideos.tv is a new site I've been made aware of recently. I would hope they comply with DMCA requests. If not, they'd be a prime target for what is described below. Though, there are certainly other sites worthy of being the one action is taken against first to be made an example of.

But here is the bigger problem. Not only do the top performers on a cam site lose potential sales because of these sites, but everyone else suffers on the site as well, particularly the models who are not in the top 250 or 500 and especially 1000. That is because sites which host these videos divert camsite traffic. People are going to the tubesites rather than livestreamer channels. For lower-ranked models this means the less likelihood of there being the random odd tip by someone who strolls into their room who is visiting the site as a premium member. I'm sure I don't have to explain how just a single 200-token tip a night on a site like myfreecams.com site make or break someone's budget.

So it is extremely evident, that such sites, which do not abide by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act must be dealt with. The question then is, how?

There might be a few ways. But there's only one that I know of and will speak of it below.


HOW TO KILL A WEBSITE WHICH DOES NOT COMPLY TO DMCA REQUESTS

Before proceeding, however, *it should be realized that what I'm describing should be viewed as a POLITICAL act* And as a political act if such action which I detail were to ever be carried out, it should be carried out on sites selectively after ample chances (or warnings) have been given to avoid such consequences.

What I am about to describe won't be easy. It needs to be planned. For such an action to occur and be successful it would take a concert of organized, mobilized, and motivated actors to engage in this sort of (what I refer to as a) political act, because it can't be done alone. I will repeat: it cannot be done alone. And this is something cam performers, and sex workers in general, have to realize as the 2010s turn into the 2020s ... you're all essentially independent contractors working alone ... it would be to everyone in those lines of work benefit if there was more organization en masse in spite of that fact that you're essentially independent contractors. Alone you're all easy sitting targets. It's little wonder why liberals and conservatives alike prefer to go after sex workers to score brownie points in the media. And in case nobody has been paying attention, sex workers are easy low hanging targets for a lot of the religious cultists making a lot of noise in the public and private sectors in these very strange and mysteriously regressive dystopian times we now find ourselves in.

So ...

Step 1 is to begin to organize and coordinate for a mass mobilization effort. The more the better. If you can recruit friends or dedicated fans, even better, the more people who join in the more effective the action will be. You could even think of it as a cyber-army wing of a cam model coalition, or, dare I even say: union. This step would be the hardest and lengthiest step. It won't be complete overnight.

Step 2 is to then begin setting up a number of dummy e-mail accounts any way you can. Have them set up and ready. The more you can make the better, but at least start with 3 or 5.

Step 3 is to select one site which has been the biggest headache and acts most the most egregiously - and this is important - the efforts that are to follow should be concentrated on one site and only one. It should be a site which coalition leadership agrees on going after and all activities should be aimed at that site and that site only.

Step 4 is to begin registering as users on that site using one of the dummy e-mail accounts that have been set up.

Step 5 upload video content onto the site. Lots of it. As often as you can. Round the clock. The video content to upload to the site should perhaps be 3-5 seconds in length, enough for a decent screen cap to appear on the site when the video is uploaded, but short enough so that as many videos can be uploaded on the site in as short a time as possible. And of course, be sure to hashtag the video using all the site categories so these videos will infest the whole site. The video should be little clips that some models make themselves, maybe doing something mundane, or even just giving the camera the finger, whatever, the more random the better ... they should be nonsense video clips ... nonsense clips that just flood the site.

Now, of course the site may ban you and cancel your membership if you've uploaded this kind of video content that damages the content they're trying to put out there. That's okay though; because you have another e-mail to make another dummy account with ... do that, then just keep uploading the same nonsense.

What this does is A) Keep the moderators busy trying to delete this content from the website and B) turn people off of the website to the point where they'll just stop going there

People should almost do it in shifts, spent some time while you're on the internet destroying this website with these uploads. Just collectively pour it on them non-stop. For weeks. Until it's just a dead stick.

After a few weeks of this, maybe even a month the site will die off. It might not vanish from the internet entirely right away, but you'll notice authentic uploads onto the site decrease drastically as the site gets less and less traffic. Eventually, when the domain is up for renewal, it'll go away.

And it only has to happen once for other sites to then get the message. Word will get around. Abide by the DMCA or suffer the same fate. Think of it as a guild raid.

It's not going to solve the problem completely. There will always be secret message boards and file sharing groups under the table. But such an action will still be to everyone who is a cam model's benefit if it were ever going to occur.

Now what I described, it might be too pie-in-the-sky to hope for. But it's certainly not beyond the realm of belief that something like it could happen. It's not physics-defying stuff I'm describing. People organize and mobilize all of the time. There's no reason why cam models couldn't. And there are hundreds of reasons as to why cam models should.

And, as I mentioned, yes, fans of cam models can and should be recruited and join in these actions. But this has to be a cam model-spearheaded initiative because it concerns the livelihood of cam models themselves. Nobody is crying Argentina for cam models who make less money than they otherwise could have been making. Nobody is looking out for cam models backs. So it has to be cam models who look out for each other's backs, and not in a symbolic manner, but in a quite literal proactive manner as I've described.

So I'll leave it there. In the words of Edward R. Morrow: Good night and good luck.
 
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is it weird that i must be the only cammodel who doesn't care about pirated shit? i see it as free marketing and keeps the freeloaders out of my hair so i can focus on paying members. i don't mind them unless they are doxxing pieces of shit.
I don't think it's weird at all. I would even agree. It absolutely is free marketing. At the same time, however, there should be lines and ethics followed by the sites benefiting from the content being uploaded not uploaded by the performers themselves.
 

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is it weird that i must be the only cammodel who doesn't care about pirated shit? i see it as free marketing and keeps the freeloaders out of my hair so i can focus on paying members. i don't mind them unless they are doxxing pieces of shit.

Nope, i dont care either and theres a few film companies, record labels and game studios that have said that piracy dosnt actually harm their business as it introduces them to potential new customers that wouldnt have found them otherwise.
 
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Nope, i dont care either and theres a few film companies, record labels and game studios that have said that piracy dosnt actually harm their business as it introduces them to potential new customers that wouldnt have found them otherwise.

This is misleading. You're talking about situations where the absorbed loss from piracy is cheaper than their active marketing costs. It's a bit of an extreme comparison putting a multi-studio game companies financial outlook to a independent clip/cam model who's years of portfolio can have it's value virtually eliminated in a matter a hours buy having it all uploaded for free by someone random person. Game companies have many ways entice legal purchase even when pirated content is available but models don't. I certainly have empathy for models that counted on a certain amount of return from making and editing a clip to have it's value removed a few days later.

That said the OP jumped the shark completely with that bible verse they wrote.
 
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Posting a wall of text, there going to be people who just TLDR the post.

sign up and join and illicitly and unethically upload the content of others

Most cam piracy sites don't need allow people to upload anything.
They have a bot that auto records all streams. All the videos are automatically posted. Usually they have hundreds of sites, and they can spin up 100 more in a minute.

It's literally one asshole with a computer.

organize and coordinate for a mass mobilization effort
upload video content onto the site. Lots of it. As often as you can. Round the clock.

What your suggest could be seen as a DDOS attack, which could be a crime.

wellCamvideos.tv

Telling people about a piracy website just promotes the website.
I didn't know about that site, not I do, now I can go check it out.
You just gave them free advertising.


BTW
Glad to hear your medication is working out.
 

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This is misleading. You're talking about situations where the absorbed loss from piracy is cheaper than their active marketing costs. It's a bit of an extreme comparison putting a multi-studio game companies financial outlook to a independent clip/cam model who's years of portfolio can have it's value virtually eliminated in a matter a hours buy having it all uploaded for free by someone random person. Game companies have many ways entice legal purchase even when pirated content is available but models don't. I certainly have empathy for models that counted on a certain amount of return from making and editing a clip to have it's value removed a few days later.

That said the OP jumped the shark completely with that bible verse they wrote.
The time it takes to take content down needs to be factored in, if your spending all your time getting content taken down that then takes away from the time you can spend creating content and generating income. More services are offered than just videos, so if someone finds a pirated video and then decides to join the cam room, have a phone sex session, buy merch etc, every business has issues with theft and finding ways to capitalize on it is the only way to beat it.
 
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The time it takes to take content down needs to be factored in, if your spending all your time getting content taken down that then takes away from the time you can spend creating content and generating income. More services are offered than just videos, so if someone finds a pirated video and then decides to join the cam room, have a phone sex session, buy merch etc, every business has issues with theft and finding ways to capitalize on it is the only way to beat it.

But that also assumes the person that the stolen content wasn't rebrand as well. Take pornhub for example, how much of stolen content posted on there properly identifies the models or the source? The capitalization of sourced material is a total loss when it's identity becomes obscured. Ironically the other problem is when someone starts to look for the source you now have the, 'who's this model' situation models take completely negative. I'm just saying when it comes to piracy in this specific industry it's hard to compare it apple to apples. It's clear when someone pirates Avengers who made the film. It's a lot harder when the clip is relabeled, 'blond loves her work' or something total vague.
 

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But that also assumes the person that the stolen content wasn't rebrand as well. Take pornhub for example, how much of stolen content posted on there properly identifies the models or the source? The capitalization of sourced material is a total loss when it's identity becomes obscured. Ironically the other problem is when someone starts to look for the source you now have the, 'who's this model' situation models take completely negative. I'm just saying when it comes to piracy in this specific industry it's hard to compare it apple to apples. It's clear when someone pirates Avengers who made the film. It's a lot harder when the clip is relabeled, 'blond loves her work' or something total vague.
And this is why you watermark clips and images (you could even go as far as making the backdrop of your content your logo / name) in a place where it cant be removed and even if someone places a new mark over it taking time to issue DMCA's and doing what was outlined by OP ultimately costs more in loss of earnings than the pirated content due to the amount of time it takes in locating the content and sending the emails, that time is better spent working on things that will bring in additional income. It's better to focus on the things that are in your control than to spend time worrying about things you cant control.
 
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How is it free marketing when anyone who has found access to free recordings is unlikely to come visit and tip you at the sites which you actually work? You're not being marketed. Your content is being used to push sales somewhere else. Your name is probably getting out there, yeah, but chances are it's just going to be another search term entered into whatever aggregator/tubesite/filelocker site.

My two cents anyway.
 
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Take pornhub for example, how much of stolen content posted on there properly identifies the models or the source?

At least with PH the uploader isn't making a profit.
AND models can join the admixture model program, claim that content, and get a payout. While also transferring all the likes and views to their PH account.
Also any one can tag content. So all it takes is one fan tagging a video, making it easy for a model to find and claim additional content.
 

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How is it free marketing when anyone who has found access to free recordings is unlikely to come visit and tip you at the sites which you actually work? You're not being marketed. Your content is being used to push sales somewhere else. Your name is probably getting out there, yeah, but chances are it's just going to be another search term entered into whatever aggregator/tubesite/filelocker site.

My two cents anyway.

True to some extent, the majority of people who find pirated videos wont pay for them or a show, but they can go watch the videos that models put out on pornhub and mvtube and other tube sites that pays them in ad revanue, they may also buy physical products like the models flesh light type product or in my case dildo, signing up for the models newsletter because they want more free shit and then earning the model commissions on offers for products that are promoted on the newsletter. There are a lot more ways that models are able to make income than just cam and videos, but there are also the people that become obsessed, they need more than what they can find for free, and they end up in the cam room, buying all the content, joining all the fan clubs, these people are rare but when they come they can end up spending a lot.


Posting a wall of text, there going to be people who just TLDR the post.

LMFO thats the first thing I did when I saw how much text there was went to find the TLDR 😂
 

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When I find a video (or someone is kind enough to show me one) that has been recorded or stolen in some way I do one of two things 1- If it's an exclusive or best seller of mine, I TRY to get it taken down. or 2- I leave it up, post my name all over it in the comments with links if possible, answer any questions I think are worth it.....and then I might even rip it myself off the tube site and give it out as a freebie to my well-paying regs as a "recorded show" or have it pad big content bundles as a free throw in etc.

I can't say I don't care about it....but It comes with the territory...so why not make the best of it....use it to your advantage if possible.

SO MANY of the comments on tube sites are something to the effect of "whos she"

I think of it as a regular loss of product....just like when i film a video and don't think its worthy of selling....or if someone shoplifts from your store, or you drop/damage your product and can't sell it anymore.
And while loss prevention/protection (searching vids and sending out takedown requests) is possible ... it's so time-consuming...and the sites that really dump a ton of content don't listen to them anyway.
 
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That was a completely unnecessary wall of text for a rather simple subject. If you can't get the content taken down through usual means, you just have to be creative. Spamming definitely doesn't help (how long does it take them to ban an IP address?), but annoying the hell out of everyone involved through email works wonders.

Think of it this way, if you pay $9.99 a year for some service, and generate too many abuse complaints that require their support agent's time, what do you think is going to happen? They're either going to can you, or tell you deal with it.
 

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Correct, but so far every "call to arms" has not worked. At some point it gets unprofitable for every registrar, dns provider, hosting provider etc. to deal with masses and masses of abuse complaints but it's just not happening.
 
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Looks like he actually posted a screenshot on Twitter that reveals him as either the owner or manager of the site:
One of the bookmarks "sla.bz" is actually a front for camgirl[.]gallery. He shut down camtube[.]co but cam girl videos is still up.

Crazy that someone could operate this out of EU!
 
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Why would someone go to a cam site to interact and pay superstar cam models like Jenny Blighe, Austin White, Ora Young, Baby Metal, Alicia Cano, etc, etc, etc … when they can just go onto a website such as camvideos.tv and see them there? In some instances have access to a great deal, or even all, of their ManyVids and premium content as well.

In regards to this, what is everyones feelings on models adding their pornhub channel around the cam window on Chaturbate then?. User clicks on it and gets to see hours upon hours of the model being naughty 100% free. Why would anyone then spend tokens on her?. Instead the model makes $$ every 1k video views she gets on pornhub. Chaturbate user gets everything free, model is the only one making profit from it then Chaturbate and its affiliates make $0. If you are a model who who got members signed up to the site and earn the 20% every time they buy tokens, you are losing money too:

https://chaturbate.com/alisonlilbaby/

https://chaturbate.com/mykinkydope/

https://chaturbate.com/kaori7dominick/

https://chaturbate.com/loollypop24/ in bio

https://chaturbate.com/britneybaby18/

https://chaturbate.com/siswet19/
 

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As far as I know, these are mostly short clips, teasers etc. It's a choice between two evils: do it yourself or let pirates do it.
 
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Hi Mermaid. Sadly its not teasers:




This is honestly a million times worse than the Camvideos.tv piracy site. The simple reason being, pornhub is the number 1 porn site and has millions of people on it every single day. That camvideos.tv will be lucky if it has a few hundred visitors a day. A user now doesnt even have to leave pornhub to view camgirls sessions. If they click subscribe to the girl then they get notifications on when the girl has uploaded new videos lol. Why would anyone honestly want to even look at chaturbate never mind go there and buy tokens when they can get it 100% free on Pornhub?. No one seems to be able to look at the long term corrosive effect this is having on the Chaturbate platform. Maybe they do see it and actually do not care. Add on models asking existing members to clear cookies and create an account under their link ( which is illegal fraud btw ) and its slowly going down the toilet. Thats not even adding on the bot problem. If your an honest model on Chaturbate, you should be just as pissed as us advertisers/affiliates. Less people on chaturbate then less money all yous make
 
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This thread is about thieving websites, not models using PornHub's PPV program. Please make a new thread if it bothers you so much that models are doing this on their own.

Even the host for this website is from the EU, he's located in Croatia. Owner seems to be in Lithuania, and he's ignoring this. They think all of this will go away. It won't.

They used Chaturbate's affiliate program in the start on "UploadYourImages" (old name of Camgirl Gallery):


There's an easy way to confirm if we have the right info, Chaturbate can simply check the code.

chaturbate[.]com/affiliates/in/hr8m/oyVJO/?track=default

Owner: Eimantas Jatautis a/k/a kaminas - kaminass@gmail.com - Lithuania.
Developer/Co-Owner: Antoine Hedgecock a/k/a macnibblet, mac_nibblet and minionking - antoine.hedgecock@gmail.com - Sweden.
Hoster: Krunoslav Begic a/k/a Kruno - kruno@knownsrv.com - Croatia.

KnownSRV.com also hosts Rec-Tube and OnlineRecorded. They're next.
 
After reading through this, I'm honestly doubtful this would work. Many models would have to spend lots of time on a single site just to destroy that one. And just like torrent sites, when one goes down another comes up. This theory has already been tested with Pirate Bay which used to be the top torrent file sharing site on the web and is now full of unsuspecting malware. Everyone now gets their torrents from a bunch of other reputable torrent sites. As long as there is a demand there's a supply. Plus, most of my copyright content that is leaked is shared through sites that are regulated by mods and only they have upload rights, so this tactic would only work for the other stream sites.

Bottom line, it would be a lot of wasted effort. Would it work? Yes. You would destroy the stream site in question, but then all the viewers looking for free content would find another site to get the same material. It's a never ending cycle unfortunately.
 
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But the fact that we have evidence against the one guy is something we as cam models should collectively pursue and put pressure on. Someone on twitter tagged user macnibblet on the tweets and right away one of the sites was shut down. We need to continue to put pressure. The one site still up has almost 70 MILLION stolen videos and images from CB and MFC models. We need to fight against this - #cammodelsforchange
 
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This is honestly a million times worse than the ******** piracy site. The simple reason being, pornhub is the number 1 porn site and has millions of people on it every single day. That ******** will be lucky if it has a few hundred visitors a day. A user now doesnt even have to leave pornhub to view camgirls sessions. If they click subscribe to the girl then they get notifications on when the girl has uploaded new videos lol.

Yah, but when a model joins PH and claims their videos. They can get a notable payout.

Why would anyone honestly want to even look at chaturbate never mind go there and buy tokens when they can get it 100% free on Pornhub?. No one seems to be able to look at the long term corrosive effect this is having on the Chaturbate platform. Maybe they do see it and actually do not care.

Watching a video isn't the same experience as interacting with a model.

Less people on chaturbate then less money all yous make

Honestly I think PH and CB make a nice feedback loop. Some one might see a video on PH and join CB because of it. You can also have fan on CB join PH, and then their video watching becomes a 2nd source of profit. People who have a ton of basics in their account, might be able to funnel those basic to PH. And get profit off of them too.

This theory has already been tested with Pirate Bay which used to be the top torrent file sharing site on the web and is now full of unsuspecting malware. Everyone now gets their torrents from a bunch of other reputable torrent sites. As long as there is a demand there's a supply. Plus, most of my copyright content that is leaked is shared through sites that are regulated by mods and only they have upload rights, so this tactic would only work for the other stream sites.

I get your point, the movie industry spends billions a year fighting piracy, and you can still easily find any movie you want to watch online.
It seems like the fact that these piracy sites exist suggest some one is consuming the content.

With PH offering model payouts. I think some models have discovered the value of having free video sites as an additional income streams.

It's kind of a shame that other sites, don't have a similar claim program. If you look at some of the videos end up getting viewed over time, they'd be a decent payout. I wouldn't be surprised at some point some models start to upload to several of PH competitors.
 
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more models need to be aware of the guy behind camtube(dotco) who shut it down. He was tagged in a twitter post and he removed the site - but the affiliates as still up (over 70 million stolen videos) of all MFC and CB users! the guy is from sweden...
 
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