Is it forbidden her to show pussy as a Ukrain Cam girl?

[Cuteboy3233]

I'm Mod for an Ukrain Cam girl,and we have an problem.Her Director said to her,that if she shows her pussy in her shows,she will go to Jail is that right. What can we do against it?

I hope you can help us
Greetings from Germany

 

[Azor87]

never heard about that before, but can be true for all i know. cant remember if i have ever been with a ukrainian girl on cam before. but cant be to hard to find out i would think

 

[Azor87]

tried searching for it, but couldnt find anything about it beeing illigal so ye idk

 

[Cuteboy3233]

tried searching for it, but couldnt find anything about it beeing illigal so ye idk

Yeah thats why i a asked here because i had the same problem

 

[rockin_rod]

Cannot speak about Ukraine, but I have a friend who cams in Russia, and there are very strict rules there about what they consider to be distributing pornographic imagery. For example it is against the law to show insertion.
Many broadcasters have taken the risk and continued, but lately there has been a targetted approach towards studios in particular - think of those houses that have maybe 6-8 models at any time, broadcasting day and night in shifts. The fines for individual models can be huge, but the biggest fines are for the studio directors, and can include jail time.
So there has been a lot of models switch to non-nude public shows, and only going further in private.

 

[Cuteboy3233]

Cannot speak about Ukraine, but I have a friend who cams in Russia, and there are very strict rules there about what they consider to be distributing pornographic imagery. For example it is against the law to show insertion.
Many broadcasters have taken the risk and continued, but lately there has been a targetted approach towards studios in particular - think of those houses that have maybe 6-8 models at any time, broadcasting day and night in shifts. The fines for individual models can be huge, but the biggest fines are for the studio directors, and can include jail time.
So there has been a lot of models switch to non-nude public shows, and only going further in private.

Thanks then it would be right what the director said to her.Just wondering why he allows then showing titts

 

[Derek_Zoolander]

As far as I know, camming is illegal in both Russia and Ukraine. But there are still a lot of models from these countries who do everything.

 

[rockin_rod]

It may differ between those countries, but as I understand it, camming itself is not illegal in Russia, as long as the model does not show explicit actions and expose certain body parts.

 

[curious68]

It may differ between those countries, but as I understand it, camming itself is not illegal in Russia, as long as the model does not show explicit actions and expose certain body parts.

if you're not doing those, then you're not really camming

 

[rockin_rod]

if you're not doing those, then you're not really camming

Ha! Yes it's a loose definition to many.
But have a look at several very popular Russian models who cam fully clothed, to me they generally look unhappy and tend to sit looking at their phones a lot, and yet have 10,000+ viewers in their room most nights.
They sell ticket shows and privates in which they will do the things that are considered illegal there.
No judgement, just not my kind of room.

 

[Cuteboy3233]

As far as I know, camming is illegal in both Russia and Ukraine. But there are still a lot of models from these countries who do everything.

Yeah i understood the laws like that too,but i can't say to her hey its illegal you need to stop.
Then she needs to do this kind of stuff like @rockin_rod said in ticket or private shows even its illegal. But i can tell her that its illegal, that she choose for herself what to do.

 

[curious68]

There are a lot of ex Soviet state models who say they are based in Western countries and are often drilled by idiots trying to get their actual nationality. It can be very uncomfortable viewing, especially if it is true that some of these girls actually do think they are on a dating site.

 

[tokensarentforkids]

sounds like a myth that only doing it in private would protect them from the cops

 

[Diana_Devil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_laws_by_regionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_laws_by_region

Ukraine​

Pornographic production, distribution, broadcasting (both audio and video), transportation, import and advertisement is forbidden by law in Ukraine.[100]


Article 301. (Importation, making, sale or distribution of pornographic items)

1. Importation into Ukraine for sale or distribution purposes, or making, transportation or other movement for the same purposes, or sale or distribution of pornographic images or other items, and also compelling others to participate in their making, shall be punishable by a fine of 50 to 100 tax-free minimum incomes, or arrest for a term up to six months, or restraint of liberty for a term up to three years, with the forfeiture of pornographic images or other items and means of their making and distribution.

 

[AudriTwo]

If she says she can't. Then she can't.

 

[Brit]

if you're not doing those, then you're not really camming

Is this sarcasm or idiocy?

 

[Cuteboy3233]

If she says she can't. Then she can't.

She asked me to do the research not that you understand me wrong.

 

[curious68]

Is this sarcasm or idiocy?

It is what you wan it to be love ....

 

[Brit]

It is what you wan it to be love ....

What one chooses to write reflects their feelings, typically. I'm going to assume idiocy since it would've been super simple to just say that you were being sarcastic.

Also, don't call me "love" unless you're paying me for the privilege.

 

[curious68]

ooh, very clever aren't ya..... but wrong
I'm sure you'll get all the 'like' emojis though


this thread isn't about my thoughts or your predictable replies though, so why not tell us about Ukrainian porn laws

 

[EasternPromis]

In Ukraine pornography is illegal. However so called erotic is not. So basically if there is no genitalia shown - it’s erotic, if pussy out there it’s a porn.
A lot of studios do not allow their models to show pussy and even fine (5-10% from their salaries) if they do. This way studio wants to “protect” itself. They usually have software set up which takes screen shots of desktop every so-many seconds and administrators then review it to see if girls following the rules.
Source - I am Ukrainian and started cam at the studios many years ago before become independent model and move out of country.
What she can do about it? If she wants to keep work in this studio then she should follow their rules. If she wants to show pussy she can find studio which is ok with it but of course if this studio will not bribe police nicely and police come to close studio - then she might get in trouble but not really go to jail.
3rd option is become independent model, make sure studio doesn’t hold any grudges, rent apartment, close social media, and show pussy as much as she wants. Police usually not bothered by chasing lonely models. She needs to make sure she’s smart about her bank transfers, balance etc tho.

 

[AudriTwo]

She asked me to do the research not that you understand me wrong.

That's weird. Why can't she do it herself?

 

[curious68]

@EasternPromis Thank you for your informed input, rather than the childish sniping from the wannabe psychologist further up the thread

 

[EasternPromis]

That's weird. Why can't she do it herself?

Most probably because it’s not bothering her that she can’t show pussy. But mod wants to bring more people in her room so he thinks “no pussy is a problem that must be solved!”. Lol IMO

@EasternPromis Thank you for your informed input, rather than the childish sniping from the wannabe psychologist further up the thread

Here you go))))

 

[Cuteboy3233]

In Ukraine pornography is illegal. However so called erotic is not. So basically if there is no genitalia shown - it’s erotic, if pussy out there it’s a porn.
A lot of studios do not allow their models to show pussy and even fine (5-10% from their salaries) if they do. This way studio wants to “protect” itself. They usually have software set up which takes screen shots of desktop every so-many seconds and administrators then review it to see if girls following the rules.
Source - I am Ukrainian and started cam at the studios many years ago before become independent model and move out of country.
What she can do about it? If she wants to keep work in this studio then she should follow their rules. If she wants to show pussy she can find studio which is ok with it but of course if this studio will not bribe police nicely and police come to close studio - then she might get in trouble but not really go to jail.
3rd option is become independent model, make sure studio doesn’t hold any grudges, rent apartment, close social media, and show pussy as much as she wants. Police usually not bothered by chasing lonely models. She needs to make sure she’s smart about her bank transfers, balance etc tho.

Thanks it was really helpfull,i think she will understand it now more cleary.

 

[Cuteboy3233]

Most probably because it’s not bothering her that she can’t show pussy. But mod wants to bring more people in her room so he thinks “no pussy is a problem that must be solved!”. Lol IMO


Here you go))))

First of all because that,and because she is always tired after work.Thats why i tooked the research Job for her. And i think its not an problem if an mod help out and do his Job. It don't need to be an bad tought behind it always.

 

[Ozzie_]

As far as I know, camming is illegal in both Russia and Ukraine. But there are still a lot of models from these countries who do everything.

This. Well... for Ukraine as far as I know, I've been told that camming is illegal. I think it is one of those "crimes" that generally is not policed, but sometimes is. I had a Ukraine model friend whose studio got "raided" -- they took all the toys apparently, although they then gave them back (maybe the cops were just researching for their own use? )

 

[EasternPromis]

First of all because that,and because she is always tired after work.Thats why i tooked the research Job for her. And i think its not an problem if an mod help out and do his Job. It don't need to be an bad tought behind it always.

Well, I think if she doesn’t know her own country laws then she must be a new model. I think it’s better to let her be and get a feel of the work first. She can make normal for Ukraine money without showing pussy, back in a day studio I started to work at also didn’t allow to show pussy, and it was ok, I still made $2,500 even in my first period (before studio cut). A lot of girls in my studio were making anywhere $1500-5000 a month after the studio cut, without showing pussies, but of course stuff they did wasn’t based on public shows (rather personal talks, pvts, Skypes, custom) so room might appear not v busy. After she gets a feel of work and if she decides to stay in camming for years, she can plan on saving money and getting out of studio. Because if now you tell her “girl, drop studio, go independent it’s so nice” but she has no cash for apartment, hardware, software, also need to have some quiet beak after resign from studio - it might not be realistic.

 

[Cuteboy3233]

Well, I think if she doesn’t know her own country laws then she must be a new model. I think it’s better to let her be and get a feel of the work first. She can make normal for Ukraine money without showing pussy, back in a day studio I started to work at also didn’t allow to show pussy, and it was ok, I still made $2,500 even in my first period (before studio cut). A lot of girls in my studio were making anywhere $1500-5000 a month after the studio cut, without showing pussies, but of course stuff they did wasn’t based on public shows (rather personal talks, pvts, Skypes, custom) so room might appear not v busy. After she gets a feel of work and if she decides to stay in camming for years, she can plan on saving money and getting out of studio. Because if now you tell her “girl, drop studio, go independent it’s so nice” but she has no cash for apartment, hardware, software, also need to have some quiet beak after resign from studio - it might not be realistic.

Yes she started before 2 or 3 weeks as a model. And yes the independent thing would be difficult for her now,so it would be a good idea to gave her time to get a feel about it. Thanks for the help,then i should do my homeworks now to know how to get more viewers in the room .

 

[Brit]

this thread isn't about my thoughts or your predictable replies though, so why not tell us about Ukrainian porn laws

You first shared your thoughts on something completely unrelated to Ukrainian porn laws. I simply asked for you to clarify those thoughts. You got defensive when you got called out. Decided to be condescending and then continued to dig in by writing nonsense such as

the childish sniping from the wannabe psychologist

and now here we are. Childish sniping is what you have done. You made a post, got defensive when I called you out on it, refused to give clarification, then turned it all around to try to make me out into the bad person for "derailing" the thread.

The answer to OP's question was already given.

Would you go on a music forum that is full of musical artists from various genres and then state that "x" genre isn't really music?