Is web caming porn ?

[summerr]

then maybe get a cheap camming dmca website to do it, i use rulta which is quite cheap (the basic plan) and all my google images have been removed

Thank you ! I will differently contact them

 

[Deleted member 55529]

Yes. Soft porn.

 

[xDollPartsx]

I think a lot of people compartmentalize things to best suit their comfort level with camming because of both the stigma of it from people they care about and the internalized stigma they have so deeply engrained. As long as this doesnt cause them to "look down" on others in different facets of essentially the same industry then whatever blows your dress up I say. But, to me, bottom line is.. If it's regulated to an 18+ audience because of the other content on the site(even if you yourself dont participate in certain aspects of content offered there) then it is under the umbrella and trying to nitpick the fine details takes way more energy than its worth. To me.. It just seems like a weird justification.
That said, although i have before done explicit content and such though I am a nude but non explicit(by my definition I basically tease and get fully nude and do the occasional beautiful agony show but don't show penetration or "spread" closeups) I would not describe myself as someone who " does porn" as a blanket statement, but mostly because most people think "porn" and their first thought is penetrative/closeup sex acts ... And just because thats the first thought they have doesnt mean that just about every other "sex act" or even full nudity isnt also porn to them.
Myself,and really most of you as well I would think,
are well versed enough in the varying array of different and at times subtle acts that can be and are considered sexually arousing therefore are in essence pornography. Hopefully that made sense. Kind of a ramble. Just a thought.

 

[summerr]

I think a lot of people compartmentalize things to best suit their comfort level with camming because of both the stigma of it from people they care about and the internalized stigma they have so deeply engrained. As long as this doesnt cause them to "look down" on others in different facets of essentially the same industry then whatever blows your dress up I say. But, to me, bottom line is.. If it's regulated to an 18+ audience because of the other content on the site(even if you yourself dont participate in certain aspects of content offered there) then it is under the umbrella and trying to nitpick the fine details takes way more energy than its worth. To me.. It just seems like a weird justification.
That said, although i have before done explicit content and such though I am a nude but non explicit(by my definition I basically tease and get fully nude and do the occasional beautiful agony show but don't show penetration or "spread" closeups) I would not describe myself as someone who " does porn" as a blanket statement, but mostly because most people think "porn" and their first thought is penetrative/closeup sex acts ... And just because thats the first thought they have doesnt mean that just about every other "sex act" or even full nudity isnt also porn to them.
Myself,and really most of you as well I would think,
are well versed enough in the varying array of different and at times subtle acts that can be and are considered sexually arousing therefore are in essence pornography. Hopefully that made sense. Kind of a ramble. Just a thought.

Yes I understand your thought. The thing is I honestly didn’t knew it was a sex work or even soft porn or porn when I did that. I did it without thinking or looking for some information before doing it. I did it for a very short time 2 weeks, for me it was just myself in my room talking and all the staff but that it .. that’s why I don’t consider myself that I did porn ...

 

[anabeauty37]

no, camming isnt porn, i am not doing porn, im doing video-therapy with some lonely unhelped mens ,

 

[summerr]

no, camming isnt porn, i am not doing porn, im doing video-therapy with some lonely unhelped mens ,

Sorry if the post makes you feel how stupid I am for to ask this question. I just wanted to have some point of view

 

[anabeauty37]

Sorry if the post makes you feel how stupid I am for to ask this question. I just wanted to have some point of view

I was just kidding, answering to the post question not to your situation. I understand your situation but i think u can be relaxed . 2 weeks of camming means nothing , i dont even thing there are any videos with you and if they are they gonna disspear soon, becouse they record daily thousand of other models so your video will be long in the back not chance even for you to find it . you said is just a pic with your face, no videos ., i think time was to short to get videos recorded ...u will forget about this very soon, you will see was no big deal .

 

[DoD404]

The point here is to tell the guy who is going to remove your content what you have to remove.
For him, he will have to search for nudes or explicit videos and would have to search them on porn sites.
So, you'd have to tell him that you need to remove porn content.

"Is webcamming porn or not? ": In a cam room, during a live stream, it's a subjective question.
For me, the answer is definitive and is 'no' but, out of context, leaked out of your room it is changed to being "only porn" just like any porn pics and vids.

 

[summerr]

I was just kidding, answering to the post question not to your situation. I understand your situation but i think u can be relaxed . 2 weeks of camming means nothing , i dont even thing there are any videos with you and if they are they gonna disspear soon, becouse they record daily thousand of other models so your video will be long in the back not chance even for you to find it . you said is just a pic with your face, no videos ., i think time was to short to get videos recorded ...u will forget about this very soon, you will see was no big deal .

You are right, I checked everywhere, I didn’t found anything. I hope yes soon it will be just something I did when I was young and crazy, maybe when I’ll have 60+ I’ll see it with different point of you.

 

[summerr]

The point here is to tell the guy who is going to remove your content what you have to remove.
For him, he will have to search for nudes or explicit videos and would have to search them on porn sites.
So, you'd have to tell him that you need to remove porn content.

"Is webcamming porn or not? ": In a cam room, during a live stream, it's a subjective question.
For me, the answer is definitive and is 'no' but, out of context, leaked out of your room it is changed to being "only porn" just like any porn pics and vids.

Yes that’s exactly what I was thinking, for me doing webcamming in a room I don’t see that as porn .. but yes when it’s end up in porn site it can be seen as porn. But we can also found revenge porn, or a video a boyfriend did of his girlfriend and she doesn’t know about it on porn website. That’s just what I am thinking

 

[Brit]

I don't like telling people what to do, especially when it comes to their relationships, but I really feel the need to say something about this. You need to leave him or have the two of you do relationship counseling together. If he refuses to do counseling, get out.

My ex knew that I was a stripper/erotic model before I got with him. Nonetheless, he would hang it over my head when we would fight and call me some pretty terrible things. I could never talk about my life with him. If you can't share part of your life with someone, then why would you want to be with them? If anything came up about strippers anywhere, he would get weird and treat me like shit. He also told me he would kill himself if he ever found vids or pics of me. He would also kill himself if I ever left him. He was emotionally abusive and physically a couple of times, but oh man, when things were okay, he was wonderful. Sadly, over time, things being okay was less and less. This, of course, led to me appreciating the rare niceties even more.

When I finally left him for the 3rd and final time, I had to hide myself in different places with different people for over a year because he stalked me and I feared for my life. I have addresses in different cities/States and even countries. To this day, 4 years after my very last email to him, he still sends me e-mails nearly every week and he still drives around the city where he last knows I was. He has sent me pics of women he thinks are me. He has gone to different places I've worked (vanilla and non-vanilla).

My point with sharing this is I don't want someone to go through everything that I went through. If he's anything like my ex, which it sounds like he is, he won't kill himself because he loves himself too much. This is why it would bother him to see you or hear about you being sexy for another person. He feels it's disrespecting him because you are his property. No one is allowed to access his property except for him. People who look at others as their property are possessive and obsessive. Before you continue this relationship, just remember that you deserve someone who treats you with respect and with whom you can share your past, present, and future.

 

[summerr]

I don't like telling people what to do, especially when it comes to their relationships, but I really feel the need to say something about this. You need to leave him or have the two of you do relationship counseling together. If he refuses to do counseling, get out.

My ex knew that I was a stripper/erotic model before I got with him. Nonetheless, he would hang it over my head when we would fight and call me some pretty terrible things. I could never talk about my life with him. If you can't share part of your life with someone, then why would you want to be with them? If anything came up about strippers anywhere, he would get weird and treat me like shit. He also told me he would kill himself if he ever found vids or pics of me. He would also kill himself if I ever left him. He was emotionally abusive and physically a couple of times, but oh man, when things were okay, he was wonderful. Sadly, over time, things being okay was less and less. This, of course, led to me appreciating the rare niceties even more.

When I finally left him for the 3rd and final time, I had to hide myself in different places with different people for over a year because he stalked me and I feared for my life. I have addresses in different cities/States and even countries. To this day, 4 years after my very last email to him, he still sends me e-mails nearly every week and he still drives around the city where he last knows I was. He has sent me pics of women he thinks are me. He has gone to different places I've worked (vanilla and non-vanilla).

My point with sharing this is I don't want someone to go through everything that I went through. If he's anything like my ex, which it sounds like he is, he won't kill himself because he loves himself too much. This is why it would bother him to see you or hear about you being sexy for another person. He feels it's disrespecting him because you are his property. No one is allowed to access his property except for him. People who look at others as their property are possessive and obsessive. Before you continue this relationship, just remember that you deserve someone who treats you with respect and with whom you can share your past, present, and future.

Thank you for sharing this here, I am
Sorry you had to go through this, and I hope you’re ex will never get a chance to see you one day. The crazy part is that he was making you bad and threatening you about your past and now he’s running after you ..

He is different, I am not saying that just like that. The thing is hearing me saying that and crying hurts him, I can see that but even when I tell him things about my past he get angry but he never tells me something that can hurt me, he directly hug me and show me so much love.
He grown up in a religious family, he is Muslim he has the idea about how a women has to be in a society and things she cannot do and expose herself. Despite all this he accepts me. He just don’t want to talk about it because it’s hurt him .. and I know it’s hard to don’t feel confortable to talk about our past with our partner in this life. I will talk to him about that and I hope he will understand.
When we fight for something he never talk to me about that for to make me feel bad, for him we discuss it and now it’s behind us and we don’t need to always talk about that.

 

[Mila_]

It is hard to say camming is porn from the POV of the actors. While they are both sexual content meant for people to jerk off to, in one case the actress is getting nailed by a big peened stranger in a seedy studio in front of a whole crew of people... and in the other she is in her PJs in her bedroom having a cup of tea and maybe diddling herself. So from the POV of the actress it is night and day.

 

[InAweOfCB]

Pornography:

"visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings."


Pornography:

"representation of sexual behaviour in books, pictures, statues, motion pictures, and other media that is intended to cause sexual excitement. "


Pornography:

"magazines, DVDs, websites, etc. that describe or show naked people and sexual acts in order to make people feel sexually excited, especially in a way that many other people find offensive"




Pretty safe to say that webcamming is porn. And that's OK.

 

[Deleted member 55529]

Pornography:

"visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings."


Pornography:

"representation of sexual behaviour in books, pictures, statues, motion pictures, and other media that is intended to cause sexual excitement. "


Pornography:

"magazines, DVDs, websites, etc. that describe or show naked people and sexual acts in order to make people feel sexually excited, especially in a way that many other people find offensive"




Pretty safe to say that webcamming is porn. And that's OK.

I agree it's porn. Sadly the word it's stigmatised. Model= fashion industry. Webcam it's porn. Webcam pornstar

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Thank you for sharing this here, I am
Sorry you had to go through this, and I hope you’re ex will never get a chance to see you one day. The crazy part is that he was making you bad and threatening you about your past and now he’s running after you ..

He is different, I am not saying that just like that. The thing is hearing me saying that and crying hurts him, I can see that but even when I tell him things about my past he get angry but he never tells me something that can hurt me, he directly hug me and show me so much love.
He grown up in a religious family, he is Muslim he has the idea about how a women has to be in a society and things she cannot do and expose herself. Despite all this he accepts me. He just don’t want to talk about it because it’s hurt him .. and I know it’s hard to don’t feel confortable to talk about our past with our partner in this life. I will talk to him about that and I hope he will understand.
When we fight for something he never talk to me about that for to make me feel bad, for him we discuss it and now it’s behind us and we don’t need to always talk about that.

I .. have some questions about something you mentioned that may well be none of my business but ill ask...and feel free to ignore if this is not something you wish to address.


He is muslim? Please excuse my ignorance but if he is a practicing muslim and you are not a muslim ... he cannot see you. My understanding is that it is haram for a muslim person to see anyone without it being for the explicit purpose of marriage and it is haram to marry a non muslim? Maybe my exposure has only been to a more conservative interpretation.... and it is really none of my business. But if he's breaking certain taboos within his faith to date you then I hope he is able to be non judgemental with you.

I think you guys definitely need to seek some relationship gudiance. Even maybe a visit with his Imam?

If you are considering marriage and becoming a muslim for him, whatever you did before you become muslim will be wiped "clean". Your past will not matter.

I.. have a very peripheral understanding of this and you may have much more knowledge than me. But i want you to know that whatever your beliefs about porn, morality etc... you are worthy. You are not diminished or ruined or anything else. "Porn" is a subjective term indeed...a conservative muslim may have a very broad definition for that term. Try not to get hung up on the word, but try to understand what your past means and does not mean to him. If he marries you he must accept you as you are...that includes actions you took before you met him.

Shame and stigma are hard things to cope with. I hope you can get support and process it and I hope you and your partner can communicate better about this.

 

[AudriTwo]

He is muslim? Please excuse my ignorance but if he is a practicing muslim and you are not a muslim ... he cannot see you. My understanding is that it is haram for a muslim person to see anyone without it being for the explicit purpose of marriage and it is haram to marry a non muslim?

Depends on the Muslim. My best friend is Christian and is married to a muslim and her in-laws live with them. Her in-laws are pretty conservative to the point where no alcohol is allowed in the house, but other then that they have always been accepting of her. Especially when she was pregnant before marriage. Their children are being raised both christian and muslim.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Depends on the Muslim. My best friend is Christian and is married to a muslim and her in-laws live with them. Her in-laws are pretty conservative to the point where no alcohol is allowed in the house, but other then that they have always been accepting of her. Especially when she was pregnant before marriage.

Wow.. that's lovely to hear. I grew up with my mum working in a muslim refugee community but im learning perhaps some of their stuff i assumed was "all muslims" might have just been their particular group or maybe more cultural?

Sorry to tangent on the thread...

 

[AudriTwo]

Wow.. that's lovely to hear. I grew up with my mum working in a muslim refugee community but im learning perhaps some of their stuff i assumed was "all muslims" might have just been their particular group or maybe more cultural?

Sorry to tangent on the thread...

From my understanding the past decade or so there has been a reform movement with islam in the states going on. Teaching peace, tolerance, social justice, women's rights, ect.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

From my understanding the past decade or so there has been a reform movement with islam in the states going on. Teaching peace, tolerance, social justice, women's rights, ect.

Yeah the community i was around was exclusively iraqi refugees living in nz so that makes sense it would have been different. Ty for the info.

 

[DoD404]

Pornography:

"visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings."

Pornography:

"representation of sexual behaviour in books, pictures, statues, motion pictures, and other media that is intended to cause sexual excitement. "

Pornography:

"magazines, DVDs, websites, etc. that describe or show naked people and sexual acts in order to make people feel sexually excited, especially in a way that many other people find offensive"

Pretty safe to say that webcamming is porn. And that's OK.

See how far the choice of word can be subjective When you're camming, even if you don't consider doing porn, you may also have to consider the different user's point of view and surely, more important, the non-users' point of view.

I don't consider that a live show corresponds to any of these definitions, that would be forgetting the interaction between model and viewers and the freedom of the model. These definitions quoted apply all to visual material, they don't apply to strip-show ie. I see a cam show on a border between sex-chat/porn/strip-show/sexual service (prostitution) but at the same time far away from each of these conventional domains.

It seems hard to really convince your man when he would hardly be a regular of cam sites :/

A part of this and basically, Muslim religion never forbid women to have pleasure in sex or to speak of sex. Only habits did and what imports in Muslim texts is to not have physical sex out of marriage (I don't know much about showing though :/).
Maybe articles about Muslim religion and sex could help you both to speak together, I think of "A Halal Guide to Mind Blowing Sex ", a book that made its little scandal few years ago (an article about it in: the Guardian) but you can find other writings or debates on youtube on the topic or on the topic of pornography.

 

[summerr]

I .. have some questions about something you mentioned that may well be none of my business but ill ask...and feel free to ignore if this is not something you wish to address.


He is muslim? Please excuse my ignorance but if he is a practicing muslim and you are not a muslim ... he cannot see you. My understanding is that it is haram for a muslim person to see anyone without it being for the explicit purpose of marriage and it is haram to marry a non muslim? Maybe my exposure has only been to a more conservative interpretation.... and it is really none of my business. But if he's breaking certain taboos within his faith to date you then I hope he is able to be non judgemental with you.

I think you guys definitely need to seek some relationship gudiance. Even maybe a visit with his Imam?

If you are considering marriage and becoming a muslim for him, whatever you did before you become muslim will be wiped "clean". Your past will not matter.

I.. have a very peripheral understanding of this and you may have much more knowledge than me. But i want you to know that whatever your beliefs about porn, morality etc... you are worthy. You are not diminished or ruined or anything else. "Porn" is a subjective term indeed...a conservative muslim may have a very broad definition for that term. Try not to get hung up on the word, but try to understand what your past means and does not mean to him. If he marries you he must accept you as you are...that includes actions you took before you met him.

Shame and stigma are hard things to cope with. I hope you can get support and process it and I hope you and your partner can communicate better about this.

Yes he is Muslim, I am also born in a Muslim family and grown up with this religion, but as an adult I wasn’t following my religious and practicing it. I stoped everything.. so he knew that as well, I start going back to my religious before meeting him. And now that I am with him, I am also more interested and practicing it.
I know what I did is forbidden by Islam, I did mistakes. The thing is he doesn’t judge me, I told him I exposed myself on internet, on a website and men were looking at me naked and all the staff. I didn’t gave all details. And another I wanted to talk to him about something else about my past and he asked me if I did porn and I said no, because for me I wasn’t doing porn and I didn’t knew it’s kind of related. And there is no video of me on porn website. Anyway I said no bc we did already talked about the cam thing.
He doesn’t judge me, since I tell him he never put that on our fights or try to hurt me over it. We talked about it, and he told me I will never put that on our fight or judge. Also I asked him if he think about that sometimes ? And he told me, bc for him he got upset when I told him in the moment and then he just forget and move on, it’s my past and that’s it. And it’s doesn’t matter.
He saw that I was very hard on me bc of what I did and he just told me, prayer will help me .. that’s it.
He is wise and not judgmental.. he always tell me he sees me like perfect and pure. it’s just me I feel bad when he asked me if I did porn I said no, bc it’s wasn’t porn In my mind, and we did already talked about the cam thing.. so I don’t know how to bring the subject again and tell him it’s kind of related .. or maybe it’s just a little details that’s doesn’t matter and I should just move on ..

And yes you are right on saying that when you become a Muslim all your past is like deleted and you have like a new book and a you’re a “clean” person to start on.
Even for me I read that when we ask forgiveness and never go back to our mistakes, god forgives and even in Islam it’s forbidden to talk about our mistakes, I am in my right on religious point of view to don’t tell him my past mistakes or what I did, it’s only between me and god. But I chooses to tell him and be honest with the person I want to share my life with.

and also I heard a story about a Muslim man very very religious and he married a former prostitute that became Muslim. they had kids and lived happy. And also in coran there is written that a former prostitute was asked to be married and men of the village asked to our prophète if they should tell to the future husband that she was a prostitute and he said no, she asked for forgiveness and now it’s between her and god and she can marry him.

I am just telling you all that on details because real Muslim they don’t judge or make you feel like shit bc of your past. But unfortunately most of them judge a lot and use the religious as an excuse to do so.

I hope I did answer to your question. sorry for my English it’s not my fist language.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Yes he is Muslim, I am also born in a Muslim family and grown up with this religion, but as an adult I wasn’t following my religious and practicing it. I stoped everything.. so he knew that as well, I start going back to my religious before meeting him. And now that I am with him, I am also more interested and practicing it.
I know what I did is forbidden by Islam, I did mistakes. The thing is he doesn’t judge me, I told him I exposed myself on internet, on a website and men were looking at me naked and all the staff. I didn’t gave all details. And another I wanted to talk to him about something else about my past and he asked me if I did porn and I said no, because for me I wasn’t doing porn and I didn’t knew it’s kind of related. And there is no video of me on porn website. Anyway I said no bc we did already talked about the cam thing.
He doesn’t judge me, since I tell him he never put that on our fights or try to hurt me over it. We talked about it, and he told me I will never put that on our fight or judge. Also I asked him if he think about that sometimes ? And he told me, bc for him he got upset when I told him in the moment and then he just forget and move on, it’s my past and that’s it. And it’s doesn’t matter.
He saw that I was very hard on me bc of what I did and he just told me, prayer will help me .. that’s it.
He is wise and not judgmental.. he always tell me he sees me like perfect and pure. it’s just me I feel bad when he asked me if I did porn I said no, bc it’s wasn’t porn In my mind, and we did already talked about the cam thing.. so I don’t know how to bring the subject again and tell him it’s kind of related .. or maybe it’s just a little details that’s doesn’t matter and I should just move on ..

And yes you are right on saying that when you become a Muslim all your past is like deleted and you have like a new book and a you’re a “clean” person to start on.
Even for me I read that when we ask forgiveness and never go back to our mistakes, god forgives and even in Islam it’s forbidden to talk about our mistakes, I am in my right on religious point of view to don’t tell him my past mistakes or what I did, it’s only between me and god. But I chooses to tell him and be honest with the person I want to share my life with.

and also I heard a story about a Muslim man very very religious and he married a former prostitute that became Muslim. they had kids and lived happy. And also in coran there is written that a former prostitute was asked to be married and men of the village asked to our prophète if they should tell to the future husband that she was a prostitute and he said no, she asked for forgiveness and now it’s between her and god and she can marry him.

I am just telling you all that on details because real Muslim they don’t judge or make you feel like shit bc of your past. But unfortunately most of them judge a lot and use the religious as an excuse to do so.

I hope I did answer to your question. sorry for my English it’s not my fist language.

Thank you for sharing all that. I understand its personal but the context helps us understand the nuance of your situation a bit better.

It sounds like you have some spiritual work to do to figure out the path thats right for you. This forum, while we are supportive is not going to be able to give you guidance on matters of your faith and how it relates to the decisions you made to cam.

I would say it... might be wise to take a small break and do some of that work on your own. The suicide threats he made etc, these are not ok. It seems like you are still conflicted about yourself and I think... while he might love and care for you, some of these things he's doing are not going to help you. You need to get a better understanding of your own feelings and beliefs... before mixing them with your love for this man. I think these questions about whether webcamming is or isnt porn is really not the issue. More of this is coming from your own demons about your past. You said he suggweted prayer. Prayer is one way to help you deepen your understanding of yourself, and I really think you could use some form of counseling too.

I hope you can lose the shame you're holding onto. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Even if your personal beliefs tell you that what you did was wrong, it sounds like they also offer paths to forgiveness for them.

I hope you find the peace you're looking for. If your god would only love you and not judge you why would you judge yourself and not love yourself too?

P.s. your english is fantastic

 

[InAweOfCB]

See how far the choice of word can be subjective When you're camming, even if you don't consider doing porn, you may also have to consider the different user's point of view and surely, more important, the non-users' point of view.

I don't consider that a live show corresponds to any of these definitions, that would be forgetting the interaction between model and viewers and the freedom of the model. These definitions quoted apply all to visual material, they don't apply to strip-show ie. I see a cam show on a border between sex-chat/porn/strip-show/sexual service (prostitution) but at the same time far away from each of these conventional domains.

There's nothing "subjective" there.

Your position parallels the implication that robbery is a "subjective" term, depending upon whether you were the one who was just robbed, or whether you were merely the one robbing another.


The mere name "Chaturbate" assures "intent to stimulate erotic" / sexual excitement. The perception that Stripchat has as its intent to "stimulate emotional feelings" while Chaturbate does not, is foolhardy.


Furthermore, "what you consider" is not related in any way to the mere definition of pornography. If needed in a court of law, the definition of pornography would include webcam models performing for vast, live audiences.