Library camgirl busted

[ashtyn_rain]

I haven't seen this anywhere, but in the latest library camming bust Oregon State University police are going after a model after a video of her doing her thang in a library was posted on pornhub and people ratted her out. It seems to have made the national news including her name and picture...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.2096761

 

[TacoBelle]

I always get so scared for these girls who get "outed" like this. I mean, not only does it show her real name, but the articles usually show things like where they live, their parent's names, etc. Models who do public shows know what the risks are (getting caught, banned from camsite, etc), but I doubt they realize SO MUCH information might be given out if they do get caught. Usually, they think, "Well, if MFC bans me for it, I can always go to Streamate." or similar, when in fact they might have much bigger problems.

So fucking scary.

 

[JickyJuly]

I always get so scared for these girls who get "outed" like this. I mean, not only does it show her real name, but the articles usually show things like where they live, their parent's names, etc. Models who do public shows know what the risks are (getting caught, banned from camsite, etc), but I doubt they realize SO MUCH information might be given out if they do get caught. Usually, they think, "Well, if MFC bans me for it, I can always go to Streamate." or similar, when in fact they might have much bigger problems.

So fucking scary.

Not to mention a good case for being put on the sexual offenders list. I think the handful of girls who successfully do public shows regularly plan and make sure not to actually be in real danger or exploit anyone. It's when other girls see them and think they can fly by the seat of their pants and do it too that the issues happen. But, they're adults. What can ya do.

 

[JoleneBrody]

I'm also really sad that the company who stole her capped video and added their shitty watermark to it for publicity is being sited as the actual cam site, and in turn profiting even more from the very WORST case scenario of capping and posting shows illegally.

Like this is the epitome of "bad things that cappers can bring on" and they are getting traffic from it.

 

[WillowJames]

Oh god, how scary for her. I hope she stays safe.

 

[gummybat]

I read the article because it was posted somewhere on a news site from FB and as soon as I started reading it, I was like "I honestly bet this was a cam show and not just a porno..or she's a cam girl making a video for someone" but the article said nothing about it. That's so crazy, I can't believe that people take risks like this. I get doing it in like your backyard because of the risk of someone seeing you and THAT being the sexy part of it but actually in public...it's just not worth it.... :/

 

[Poker_Babe]

I really hope that she doesn't go to jail, especially sense there really weren't any victims in her alleged crime. What an absolute dirty fucking filthy RAT that hater was, to go snitch on her like that.
I guess this is a lesson to us all... that could have been any one of us.

EDIT: Any one of us that have done or still do public shows I mean.

 

[JubalCobb]

I really hope that she doesn't go to jail, especially sense there really weren't any victims in her alleged crime. What an absolute dirty fucking filthy RAT that hater was, to go snitch on her like that.
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[sar]
I know, how dare someone have a problem with someone diddling themselves in the middle of the library. What a bunch of puritans. Snitches get stitches.

There's no victim until someone slips in the spilled spoog.
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seriously though, I do at least agree that jail time isn't warranted. How about the next year spending weekends cleaning the library.

 

[zippypinhead]

Oh yeah! Such a victim of circumstance! If a girl can't go out into a public place that has a certain expectation of decorum, and strip and masturbate for an online audience without the fear of being outed and prosecuted, then I just don't know what this world is coming to. Those darn scumbag cappers! It's all their fault!

You can be sure that now that the media is catching on to something this juicy, there are going to be more and more stories like this coming out. Time the move the operation out of the library, ladies, and head to somewhere the cops won't be looking. Might I suggest a church, or a hospital waiting room? Perhaps a museum? And for the models who have already been caught, maybe they could offset fines by doing courtroom shows.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Hard to have much sympathy for classless degenerates that have no respect for those around them. Wait, wait, my bad. Forgot where I was for a minute. *generic excuses, blames others, accepts zero accountability for actions*

I do kinda feel bad for models that did these shows that now have to worry about it coming back to haunt them. We have all done some really dumb shit when younger I'm sure.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I don't really like public shows, but the issue isn't so much "are they bad?" as much as "wow she could be in real danger by having her real name posted."

I swear, men will never understand how scary it is for us camgirls in trying to protect our privacy.

Should she have done it? ..Like I said, I don't like public shows. Did they really have to post her full legal name? Not really.

 

[zippypinhead]

It's not that hard to understand:

If you commit a criminal act, and are caught, your actions become part of the public record. Worried about maintaining your anonymity? Don't pull shit that puts it in jeopardy, like library shows.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

It's not that hard to understand:

If you commit a criminal act, and are caught, your actions become part of the public record. Worried about maintaining your anonymity? Don't pull shit that puts it in jeopardy, like library shows.

I'm talking about the news source that wrote the article, not public records. It's about being a decent human being and not going out of your way to endanger someone.

 

[SpencerStorm]

I think if you do a public show and you get busted that is on you. you did the crime do the time-simple. There are plenty of models that do "public" (smoke and mirror) shows, so you can get the appeal without the risk. I agree that I do not think her name HAD to be listed and it does suck for her but i also feel that is a risk that she took when she did the show to start with. However, I do think that they are prosecuting her so far after it happened, and even though she is no longer a student there. You would think there would be some kind of statute of limitations though...

 

[zippypinhead]

It's not that hard to understand:

If you commit a criminal act, and are caught, your actions become part of the public record. Worried about maintaining your anonymity? Don't pull shit that puts it in jeopardy, like library shows.

I'm talking about the news source that wrote the article, not public records. It's about being a decent human being and not going out of your way to endanger someone.

The news didn't endanger her. She put herself in danger. The consequence of getting caught diddling yourself in public is now news services know your name.

 

[ACFFAN69]

This is one of many reasons why a cam model should invest in a good study room and hundreds of books.
It probably would be tax-deductible too.

 

[BarbieLuv]

I really hope that she doesn't go to jail, especially sense there really weren't any victims in her alleged crime.

I completely disagree with this. Unless she was taking a steam cleaner along and cleaning up after each show in a way that could kill all bacteria/STDs that might be in her bodily fluids... then she was absolutely endangering other people. We have no way of knowing if she had any sort of STI/STD (just being a camgirl does NOT by any stretch of the imagination ensure that you're 'clean'; after all, they don't require a blood test to sign up for camsites), and some of those can live for DAYS on surfaces!

Then there's the issue of being in public and potentially broadcasting innocent bystanders on your feed; I'm not just talking about children here (though obviously that is a major problem, and something absolutely abhorrent, IMO), I'm talking about *anyone* who might walk by and be caught by the feed. They didn't consent to being streamed on a porn site, they don't have the proper age verification uploaded, and it's just horrible to involve them without their knowledge. Let's be honest, a lot of girls will *purposefully* get random people in the frame just to 'prove' they're in public.

If you do public shows, it's a criminal act, and you shouldn't be surprised if there are legal consequences or if news outlets pick up the story and say your full name, since it's then considered part of the public record.

:twocents-02cents:

 

[VeronicaChaos]

Just to be clear, I'm not defending her. I'm just saying that Jason Silverstein who wrote the article and the people at Daily News NY were being kind of shitty people including her real name. They knew they were putting her more at risk by doing so, people aren't dumb. They didn't have to do it.

I'm not really into the blame thing. Just having compassion and what not.

 

[AmberCutie]

It would probably be a smart move, considering all the negative attention Library shows have gotten in the recent days/weeks, for any girl who does public shows to take it easy on them, at least for right now. I know there's at least a handful of active ACF girls who do this routinely, and my friendly advice to you all would be to take a short break from them, and make a plan on how to be incredibly safe if you return to them in the future. I would suggest to keep public shows PG-13 and stick to places that do not allow minors at all.

 

[LilyMarie]

Then there's the issue of being in public and potentially broadcasting innocent bystanders on your feed; I'm not just talking about children here (though obviously that is a major problem, and something absolutely abhorrent, IMO), I'm talking about *anyone* who might walk by and be caught by the feed. They didn't consent to being streamed on a porn site, they don't have the proper age verification uploaded, and it's just horrible to involve them without their knowledge. Let's be honest, a lot of girls will *purposefully* get random people in the frame just to 'prove' they're in public.

I'm so glad you're bringing this up.
Aside from the more obvious issues like the ickiness and potential danger of bodily fluids, and the horrible fact that children can get and have gotten broadcast, some models just haven't realized (or don't care) that not everyone is just OK with or has a positive/neutral attitude towards being seen on an adult site. You never know who might be deeply religious or have a completely different set of morals than we do, and there are people who could be seriously stressed out by the knowledge that they've been shown on an adult site. Just because we don't share someone else's morals and feel like we're more open-minded than them or whatever, doesn't mean they don't have the right to not show up on a freaking camsite..

If you can't see their face, it still doesn't make it OK.
If they're blurry, it still doesn't make it OK.
If you have all your clothes on, it still doesn't make it OK.

Camgirls can't put other people into that situation. If you don't have enough of an overview and control of the situation that you're able to keep everyone who's not a verified model on the site out of view and out of the viewers' earshot, or intentionally don't hide people (in order to make your show more interesting/exciting), then get out of the library. No one deserves to be broadcast on an adult site so that you can get a few thousand more people into your room.
Imagine the uproar if porn companies shot 'public' type shoots with actual pedestrians around, instead of paid extras who are aware that they're being filmed.

 

[eclipse76]

What an absolute dirty fucking filthy RAT that hater was, to go snitch on her like that.

Funny thing, the hater had her name published too and has already deleted her FB and Twitter. Her name will be attached to this for the years to come.

 

[YelloMit]

While I can understand them trying to get a story out of this (which is bad enough anyway), using all of her personal information, especially her real name is just plain wrong in my opinion. I mean, at least ASK her beforehand, so if she wanted to stay anonymous, she could. I hope she stays safe.

 

[JickyJuly]

Let's be realistic. In America, a woman breaking the law with her tits out is going to be news. News doesn't try not to embarrass or endanger people. You can buy magazines filled with local mugshots at any gas station (at least here in the south). Yes. Camgirls live in fantasy, but we're still part of the real world where laws are applicable. Doing a public show correctly should mean giving the illusion that those worlds might collide in a scary way. If this girl couldn't do so properly, why should she deserve special treatment? If some dude was jackin' in the library the news wouldn't withhold his name to protect his family from shame.

Girls who do not plan and do public shows in a way that doesn't use others are sexually harassing the general public pretty much. They make us all look like the depraved perverts society thinks we are, and when caught, they usually try to sound like they were desperate for money and somehow a victim of circumstance. I don't know. If we don't think the news should shame criminal activity, that should extend to all criminals not just the ones we can relate to.

Edit to add: Sorry for all the double negatives. I think I made this a hard to understand thought. I spend my days with toddlers saying "No. Not the wall. Please color the paper!" all day. My brain is mush. *steps away from the keyboard*

 

[Jupiter551]

Just another of the many victimless crimes our morality and control-driven system chooses to villify. :roll:
Maybe one day we'll learn to let others be.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

It was one of the things that has always bugged me about a lot of guys on camsites who try and persuade girls into doing public shows, or things like when I've done outdoor shows people have tried to persuade me into doing more and more. Either they do know the repercussions and just don't care or they are so focused on getting a good wank in that they never think it through that this is a real life person in a real place. It is easy to be subject to peer pressure, when you have hundreds/thousands of viewers, many egging you on and then loads of other camgirls doing the same thing and getting great reactions I can understand why girls do it. I think many girls don't know to take precautions or really think it through at all sadly.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

While I can understand them trying to get a story out of this (which is bad enough anyway), using all of her personal information, especially her real name is just plain wrong in my opinion. I mean, at least ASK her beforehand, so if she wanted to stay anonymous, she could. I hope she stays safe.

That's actually handling it fairly normal. You get arrested, or in this case a citation, and news media will publish your full name. Happens all the time for all severity of crimes. I don't see why this should be any different. In fact most small town newspapers routinely publish every crime and police action taken.

If vandals, drug dealers, thieves and so on all have to face public scrutiny after being arrested I think it would be wrong to assume just being a camgirl should afford you some right of privacy after doing something illegal. Doesn't work that way.

 

[eclipse76]

Just to be clear, I'm not defending her. I'm just saying that Jason Silverstein who wrote the article and the people at Daily News NY were being kind of shitty people including her real name. They knew they were putting her more at risk by doing so, people aren't dumb. They didn't have to do it.

I'm not really into the blame thing. Just having compassion and what not.

Technically, that Jason Silverstein wrote an article after the AP press dispatch, like hundreds of other newspapers. Her name was already outed in local PDX outlets the day before. I know we're on a forum with like-minded models and "benevolent" customers regarding privacy, but the general populace certainly don't have this kind of restraint when it comes to (what are still considered) immoral behaviours, and even less when they involve criminal activities.

 

[ACFFAN69]

It was one of the things that has always bugged me about a lot of guys on camsites who try and persuade girls into doing public shows, or things like when I've done outdoor shows people have tried to persuade me into doing more and more. Either they do know the repercussions and just don't care or they are so focused on getting a good wank in that they never think it through that this is a real life person in a real place. It is easy to be subject to peer pressure, when you have hundreds/thousands of viewers, many egging you on and then loads of other camgirls doing the same thing and getting great reactions I can understand why girls do it. I think many girls don't know to take precautions or really think it through at all sadly.

I have to admit it's a lot easier to request something then it is to do it. More fun as well.
Thus comes in the third possibility: I've been known to offhandedly ask a model to do something with no expectations of it occurring, just to make myself laugh that I asked for it.
It's easy for a viewer to forget that intentions aren't clear across the interwebs. Even worse I will admit there is a bit of delight (schadenfreude or uplifting) when the crazy request actually occurs.

Many of the same emotions spawn from asking a model to do something that is in the realm of possibility. There's a strange egotistical joy that comes from playing director.

I don't think it's taking advantage of the model in any way though. Cam models aren't children and peer pressure can only do so much. There's a point where personal responsibility comes in to play.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Just another of the many victimless crimes our morality and control-driven system chooses to villify. :roll:
Maybe one day we'll learn to let others be.

What about the children shown on cam during library shows. Maybe their parents would not choose to have that happen.
Or all the people who don't want to be on an adult site. Maybe there's a Preacher sitting there reading a book and a screen shot of him in the background with a naked masturbating woman goes viral on twitter. That would be rather damaging to his ministry.
What about the college and all the other students that attend? Now people associate Oregon State University as the college where the naked chick bated on cam. Not only does it diminish the reputation of the college but it lowers the prestige of getting a degree from there. So really every student there might be affected by this

It's not really that victimless.

 

[YelloMit]

While I can understand them trying to get a story out of this (which is bad enough anyway), using all of her personal information, especially her real name is just plain wrong in my opinion. I mean, at least ASK her beforehand, so if she wanted to stay anonymous, she could. I hope she stays safe.

That's actually handling it fairly normal. You get arrested, or in this case a citation, and news media will publish your full name. Happens all the time for all severity of crimes. I don't see why this should be any different. In fact most small town newspapers routinely publish every crime and police action taken.

If vandals, drug dealers, thieves and so on all have to face public scrutiny after being arrested I think it would be wrong to assume just being a camgirl should afford you some right of privacy after doing something illegal. Doesn't work that way.

I still feel like the person should have a say in the matter of whether or not her name and info is published or not.