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Do Camgirls have an moral duty to discourage members from ruinous overspending on them?

  • No. The members are adults.

    Votes: 80 63.5%
  • No. But they should tell them it is ok cut back on tipping you.

    Votes: 36 28.6%
  • Yes. They should tell them please stop giving me large tips, I'll feel bad.

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • Yes. They should ban or threaten to ban them if they don't stop and encourage them to get help.

    Votes: 9 7.1%

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I think @Just_A_Guy is try say he only goes on cam sites to chitchat and masturbate. My type of man. :)

I will say I do care for my regs, but my relationship with them is strictly the nice (sometimes mean) hot witty chick you masturbate. I'm supposed to be a dream girl who is in shiney plastic you stare at afar. Look but no touch.

Some models can develop close relationships like friendships with their regs. I don't doubt that, just not everyone can do the same. To each of their own.

Thank you @AudriTwo that's what I tried to say.

I'm just confused.

I didn't mean you can't "relate to" or develop friendships or meet cool people online. Maybe it's just me that I didn't have time yet and - to be honest - don't have time at the moment to develop them. I'm sure that can happen.
 
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If a member asks a model he visits regularly to ban him because he is hurting himself financially, she has a responsibility as a human to oblige. Anything else is a bunch of selfish nonsense. The argument that “they will just spend it on someone else” is beyond anecdotal and just a way for the model to put herself into a state of self denial so she “thinks” she should sleep easy at night.
 
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If a member asks a model he visits regularly to ban him because he is hurting himself financially, she has a responsibility as a human to oblige. Anything else is a bunch of selfish nonsense. The argument that “they will just spend it on someone else” is beyond anecdotal and just a way for the model to put herself into a state of self denial so she “thinks” she should sleep easy at night.

I disagree. I believe that is the members responsibility. Also what's stopping the member from creating a new account?

Want to control your spending? Get a prepaid card, or go to counseling. Take some personal responsibility instead of blaming others for your circumstances you create.
 
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If a member asks a model he visits regularly to ban him because he is hurting himself financially, she has a responsibility as a human to oblige. Anything else is a bunch of selfish nonsense. The argument that “they will just spend it on someone else” is beyond anecdotal and just a way for the model to put herself into a state of self denial so she “thinks” she should sleep easy at night.

Or the member could grow the fuck up and accept responsibility like a goddamn man? The model ain't logging into your account, buying tokens with your credit card and tipping herself with it lol. That's your problem.
 
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If a member asks a model he visits regularly to ban him because he is hurting himself financially, she has a responsibility as a human to oblige. Anything else is a bunch of selfish nonsense. The argument that “they will just spend it on someone else” is beyond anecdotal and just a way for the model to put herself into a state of self denial so she “thinks” she should sleep easy at night.

Nope! That's a load of old pony. As a grown assed adult on the interwebz, ya gotta be responsible for your OWN actions. No one is forcing your arm up your back to spend a red cent. It's all up to you.

You wanna solution... okies. Take credit card in one hand. Take a pair of scissors in your other hand. Now cut that plastic into tiny pieces. Go online and delete your site account. Problem solved.

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I disagree. I believe that is the members responsibility. Also what's stopping the member from creating a new account?

Want to control your spending? Get a prepaid card, or go to counseling. Take some personal responsibility instead of blaming others for your circumstances you create.

But all the cam models love me. They really LOVE me! How else will I let them know that I've fallen for their charms if I cut spending? The might take offense and think I'm nobody....
 

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If a member asks a model he visits regularly to ban him because he is hurting himself financially, she has a responsibility as a human to oblige. Anything else is a bunch of selfish nonsense. The argument that “they will just spend it on someone else” is beyond anecdotal and just a way for the model to put herself into a state of self denial so she “thinks” she should sleep easy at night.

Or how about the member try having a little self-control and stop logging onto cam sites, or put a spending limit on his token (credits, etc.) purchases? Instead of blaming the model for the member having no self-control. They have support groups for sex addicts, etc., ya know...

That’s pretty bad if you have to ask a model to ban you from her room...
 
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Nope! That's a load of old pony. As a grown assed adult on the interwebz, ya gotta be responsible for your OWN actions. No one is forcing your arm up your back to spend a red cent. It's all up to you.

You wanna solution... okies. Take credit card in one hand. Take a pair of scissors in your other hand. Now cut that plastic into tiny pieces. Go online and delete your site account. Problem solved.

Sure in an ideal world people are responsible for their own actions, but we don't live in that world. As a society, we support a lot of people who make foolish choices. In the 21st century, we don't expect everybody who has an addiction be it tobacco, alcohol, gambling, shopping, drugs, to solve their addiction all by their own. We provide resources to help them. In many cases, like the bar owner cutting off the alcoholic or the casino manager cutting off the compulsive gambler we expect these people to do this despite it being against their economic self-interest. In fact, we take a very dim view of the drug dealer who continues to sell drugs to an addict, the bookie who continue to extend credit, or the payday lender who rolls over payday loans. It's called compassion.
 
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I keep typing responses then deleting them, so all I'm going to say on this thread for now is I appreciate everyone who has shared opinions. They have been insightful.
 
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Sure in an ideal world people are responsible for their own actions, but we don't live in that world.

The fuck are you talking about. You're always responsible for your actions whether or not your actions are responsible in and of themselves. In the case of addiction, the addict has to want it for themselves to get better. There is no shortage of resources for an addict to get help with their addiction as there are just as many sources for them to continue with their addiction. The choice is theirs to make. Simple as that.
 
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I wonder if the camsite would be a better option to ask to exclude yourself if you feel like you have an addiction rather than putting the onus on an individual performer.

I do believe that the vast majority of users are responsible for their own actions, however there could be a few people who are suffering from some sort of mental illness that diminishes their capacity to make responsible decisions. I would hope that any decent person would take a step back and help such an individual so they do not do further harm to themselves.
 
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The fuck are you talking about. You're always responsible for your actions whether or not your actions are responsible in and of themselves..

That's simply not true we don't hold all people responsible for their actions. A person who is 17 years and 364 days old can't sign contracts and be held financially liable and person one day older can. There is a well-established concept of diminished capacity which allows a person to even kill somebody and not be held responsible for their actions. We also recognize that people who are super drunk or super high aren't in full control of their actions.

You've been around long enough to have seen plenty of "I'm love with a camgirl and I'm going to fly to Eastern Europe to marry her threads" and how hard it is for people to try and convince the guy he is delusional. Love and lust cause people to do crazy shit. It is the theme of countless books, films, and playing going back thousands of years.

Models routinely ban members who become obsessed with them. It seems far more responsible for a member, who recognized that he's obsessed with a model and it's causing them financial stress to ask to be banned, than forcing them member to do crazy shit to get banned.
 
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No, @HiGirlsRHot , you sound delusional.

People who are super drunk or super high still have to face the reality of their decisions even if they do something stupid. They don't get a free pass just because they were inebriated. That $600 bar tab they ran up, even though they didn't pay their rent, is still getting charged to their card and the landlord doesn't give a fuck if they were super drunk, their rent is still due. Their friend's $400 TV they tripped over and broke cause they were blazed isn't magically put back together in the morning. Motherfuckers go to court over shit like this and guess who's liable?

Love, lust, drug-induced, mentally-ill, it doesn't matter. You make poor decisions, you deal with the reality and sometimes those decisions affect the lives of those around you.

How far past 17 years and 364 days are you? It doesn't seem like you have a clear grasp of how the world works.
 

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Models routinely ban members who become obsessed with them. It seems far more responsible for a member, who recognized that he's obsessed with a model and it's causing them financial stress to ask to be banned, than forcing them member to do crazy shit to get banned.

Here's the thing, most models, if asked, would absolutely just ban the member. That's not the argument here.
It's not doing anyone any favors to pretend like this isn't an immature response to the problem on the members end that will do absolutely NOTHING to stop the behavior in the long run.
Why can't he just delete his account?? What is to gain by the member keeping his account and just being banned from the one room? Asking one model to ban you is really the least effective way to solve this problem, I can barely wrap my mind around the stupidity of it.

Not to mention, these members ALWAYS try to come crawling back with some excuse, whining to get let back in, etc etc. At that point it's just a lot of attention seeking drama that we now have to deal with...for free. I would rather the member take responsibility for himself (THIS ISN'T AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST) and remove himself from the situation entirely.
 

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Lol. The mental gymnastics one plays to not take any responsibility for their actions.

If you are over spending, you should go speak to a counselor. Figure out the root of your problem instead of shifting the responsibility to others. Take control of your life.
 
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I've talked to a lot of fans about their interest in watching (and tipping) cam models so as to understand the whole thing better. I've never watched a cam for pleasure - it's just not my thing. Thus, I really needed outsider perspectives to better understand my viewers.

Some tippers really do approach this much akin to a gambling addiction - there is the rush, the sense of 'winning' when grabbing a model's attention, even a sense of competition with other tippers. Ultimately, yes, these are adults and what they do with their money is not our problem, but what can we do to be reasonable? Well, not overcharge for one. That's it. I have my prices, and I don't change them around. Acquiring things from a model (whether it be a butt flash or a pvt show) are not needs, so if the viewer is running out of money, I don't really have much incentive to do anything about it.

I'm not going to tell someone to stop tipping me. If I explicitly knew someone was damaging their life by tipping me, yes, I would try and put an end to it, but it's not like my fans are messaging me and telling me all about their financial woes. And the viewers that do mention things like "I'm broke"...well, often they seem to do this in order to elicit 'cheaper' rates or 'deals'. I simply tell them "No worries." and move on.

Ultimately, I'm not going to compromise my income because someone is being irresponsible. Cam models are not food and shelter. But there is indeed a threshold at which I would cut someone off...but I don't ever see that happening; it would require a far more personal relationship with a fan than I am comfortable with i.e. I'm not close enough to my fans to know about their families, jobs, etc....or try not to be.
 
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Love, lust, drug-induced, mentally-ill, it doesn't matter. You make poor decisions, you deal with the reality and sometimes those decisions affect the lives of those around you.
There is a fair bit of precedence to show you aren’t always held accountable for your actions if you’re mentally ill, which I think @HiGirlsRHot was referring to. Bars can be held responsible for over-serving if you go on to kill someone or drive drunk. Theoretically this is the same principle - if you know someone’s too far gone and you still serve them.

Personally I think asking to be banned is, hypothetically, part of taking responsibility, like cutting up your cards or pouring your booze down the drain. Those are easy things to do in a moment of motivation, but people aren’t machines and so our willpower falters at times. Putting failstops into place before that happens is responsible. I don’t think camgirls should be implicated or blamed for *not* banning them necessarily. But I do think part of taking responsibility is admitting your issues and taking multiple steps to prevent it.

Also gave you the chill pill for the name calling and aggro comments. We’re all over 17 and 364 days and therefore able to disagree on the Internet without being dicks to each other.
 

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Personally I think asking to be banned is, hypothetically, part of taking responsibility, like cutting up your cards or pouring your booze down the drain. Those are easy things to do in a moment of motivation, but people aren’t machines and so our willpower falters at times. Putting failstops into place before that happens is responsible. I don’t think camgirls should be implicated or blamed for *not* banning them necessarily. But I do think part of taking responsibility is admitting your issues and taking multiple steps to prevent it.

I disagree on this. Deleting the entire account would be the equivalent of cutting up your credit cards or pouring all the booze down the drain.
Asking one model to ban you is like dumping out your alcohol of choice but leaving the stockpile of skunky beer sitting there as if it also isn't a risk, or cutting up only the credit card with a high limit on it because the lower limit card doesn't do as much damage. Why only half ass it?
 
Anything can be addictive if it gives you those feel good brain chemicals. However, it is not the addictive things fault, nor the person providing it to you if you are adult enough to seek it out on your own without any outside prompting. Addiction or not, personal responsibility is still a thing that needs to be taken into account.

And I agree with @NoelleBright, if the person is serious about quitting they won't bother asking a cam girl to ban them. They'll say their goodbyes or not then ask the site directly to remove their account. Asking the cam girl to ban you is kind of pointless when there's a whole site full of other opportunities to blow your physical & financial load that will likely be utilized if she does.

Casinos don't ban people from coming back when they come in and blow their social security checks on penny slots or blackjack. Hell, my BIL works at one and has seen a lady come in with her kid's X-mas money (she told the entire table this) with a plan to double it, he tried to tell her to walk out with it (even though I'm sure he isn't supposed to) & she sat there and pissed it all away then tried to get mad at him for her actions.

It's adult luxury entertainment. Adult being the keyword there since it implies if you got this far in life you should be aware enough to prioritize your responsibilities with play time.
 

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Casinos don't ban people from coming back when they come in and blow their social security checks on penny slots or blackjack.
They definitely do up here, they have programs where you can submit yourself for banning.

I agree anyone should delete their accounts and that’s much more useful than asking for a ban, I guess I was thinking of doing both in cases where they don’t fully delete your account right away. But I do agree if you’re asking to be banned, that’s on the premise that you delete accounts, remove credit cards, etc and not just being like “ban me mistress I’m sooooo bad” for attention.
 
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But where does it stop though? Let's say hypothetically, camsites do allow for the ability to blacklist yourself. Is it one cam site? Is it all? There's also strip clubs, clip sites, backpage escorts, phone sex operators, fetish sites. The list goes on.

Where do we draw the imaginary line of responsibility if it isn't supposedly ours to dictate?

And even if you were to blacklist yourself, who will stop you besides yourself from getting prepaid gift cards and using a vpn to continue access?

At some point, the finger starts and ends with you, the member. And it is in nobody else's hand.
 
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Where do we draw the imaginary line of responsibility if it isn't supposedly ours to dictate?

I totally love camming/clips, but it's not apart of my job description to babysit someone's personal finances whether they're a regular in my room/to my stores or not. Why is it anyone's responsibility besides the person who's throwing out the money? I would absolutely ban someone if they asked me to regardless of reason, if they don't want to hangout - roger that, can do. But I don't see why it's something I should have to worry about? I'm doing my job, when this occurs I am at work in uniform so to speak no different from a clerk at a retail store or waitress at the local diner (except I take my boobs out sometimes). I suspect people who have jobs in other industries that other people get themselves into debt with aren't being asked the same question.

This is how I see it: encouraging someone to spend while knowing they are spending outside of their means? Bad. Not stopping them when you are at your place of business as a paying customer like anyone else? I see this as a mega gray area. I can't possibly know whether or not someone can afford to spend the money they do, I assume with a clear conscience they know what they're doing especially if they are TELLING me they are getting themselves into debt by doing this. Of course, I'd warn them to stop (in fact have done so in the past with little to no response besides more complaining) and try to get them to seek help, but addiction ALWAYS comes down to one thing when you're trying to heal from it: taking responsibility for your own actions whether you were in the throws of it or not. If someone wants to stop, they will give a genuine effort to and I would applaud it.
 

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Sure in an ideal world people are responsible for their own actions, but we don't live in that world. As a society, we support a lot of people who make foolish choices. In the 21st century, we don't expect everybody who has an addiction be it tobacco, alcohol, gambling, shopping, drugs, to solve their addiction all by their own. We provide resources to help them. In many cases, like the bar owner cutting off the alcoholic or the casino manager cutting off the compulsive gambler we expect these people to do this despite it being against their economic self-interest. In fact, we take a very dim view of the drug dealer who continues to sell drugs to an addict, the bookie who continue to extend credit, or the payday lender who rolls over payday loans. It's called compassion.

The 21st Century will go down in history as The Age of the Crybabies and Baby Boomers should be renamed as The Worst Generation. For the entirety of human history addicts weren't called "addicts" like it was some sort of disease you simply catch by accident like a flu or cancer. No. They were known as vices which imply it is your own shitty decisions the ones that put you where you are. So an "alcohol addict" was a drunkard, a "drug addict" was a junkie. A "gambling addiction" was simply called raging idiocy. Taking such poor choices not only hurt you as an individual but you ended up fucking the rest of society in the process. If you are a drunkard, for example, you might do anything from puking in public spaces to picking fights with random people, to running over another citizen. Each vice has a cost to society which is why it came at a cost to the individual... that of being a pariah.

Today we don't do this, no, we baby these people, we make it sound like vices are a disease they are fighting instead of choices that they make, we justify their lack of judgement and put all the blame on society: "well, if YSL didn't make such fabulous bags perhaps Cindy would not be a "shopping addict" What? No. YSL has no responsibility over Cindy's spending habits, her bank account or her finances. This has gotten to the point where not only do we rid the vicious person from any responsibility over their actions, we are enabling them, celebrating their vice and awarding them with gifts. In places like Vancouver the tax-payers are paying for a program called "in-site" in which the city council puts up facilities staffed with nurses for junkies to shoot up heroin at their leisure and out of sight of the police and they even award the most hooked up ones with the best smack in the world.

Maybe I was born in the wrong Century but nobody is responsible for your life. Your decisions are yours only. You can't simply expect other people to carry your load. Vices have always been a very lucrative source of income, much more lucrative than, say, food or PG13 entertainment because idiots and vice are like french fries and mayo. That doesn't mean a casino has any moral obligation to ban you from their establishment for your own sake or that the owner of a bar has a moral responsibility to stop serving you when you are obviously drunk. Because you will find other ways to indulge in your vice. The only reason I find to stop serving a drunkard if you have a bar is if this person becomes a liability because he gets violent or annoys other customers.
 

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I've probably run my mouth in this thread enough before it was necroed, but I really think those of you who believe a cammodel needs to take responsibility for an adult member's addiction need to do some reading up on how addiction works. Addicts love spreading blame and responsibility away from themselves. It's how they keep going. "I'm not addicted to porn. I'm addicted to THIS girl. She needs to help me." is NOT the sentiment of someone who is seeking change. I would ban on the premise that I already have a (sober now) addict for a husband and 3.5 kids to worry about. I'm not playing with someone who wants me to carry any of their emotional baggage, but, morally, it's not my job and not even necessarily helpful. Further, the person asking to be banned instead of working on himself IS morally in the WRONG. We don't have the right to put our struggles out there for others to deal with especially in a business situation. I don't need to be made to worry for others when I'm working to feed and house my kids. It's wrong to put that on anyone else.So, that ban is earned by asshole behavior and not given out of sympathy. Side note: I've had members become friends and share their personal struggles with me. That is different, and if a real friendship is forged and given on both sides, share away. But, if I haven't offered and reciprocated a friendship, we don't know each other well enough for me to know what your vices are. We're all struggling and most struggles are bigger than not knowing when to turn your laptop off.

I wonder if most cammodels weren't women if we'd even really have this conversation? Do we expect men in commission sales to put capitalism aside and worry for their customers who buy too many pretty cars or too many fancy suits? Or tell women they don't need the 5th pair of overpriced pumps they're trying on? Personally, I think we tend to expect women to put others before themselves.... even strangers. There are a few situations in which I feel morally responsible as a camgirl. If a member says he's under 18, ban and report. If a member asks for something horrifyingly illegal (do you have a dog? do you have a kid? :sick:) ban and report. If I see animal or child abuse, I report it online via the exploited children's page or PETA. It's my job to care about children and animals who can't be expected to care for themselves. It's no ones job to protect a grown man who can't think outside of his wiener long enough to figure out how to get the credit card out of his own hand.
 

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I wonder if most cammodels weren't women if we'd even really have this conversation? Do we expect men in commission sales to put capitalism aside and worry for their customers who buy too many pretty cars or too many fancy suits? Or tell women they don't need the 5th pair of overpriced pumps they're trying on? Personally, I think we tend to expect women to put others before themselves.... even strangers.

Everything you said, but this is particularly interesting and true. People definitely do seem to hold women much more accountable for needing to care for others, and are much more shocked when a woman does not. When a man seems money hungry or greedy in the workplace it is often praised or just brushed off as the norm, when a woman does the same a very different picture is painted, we're seen as being cold, evil even.

Responsibility is a funny word to use in this topic, and not the word I would choose. These are the two definitions I have found for responsibility:

"the state or fact of having a duty to deal with something or of having control over someone."
"the state or fact of being accountable or to blame for something."

With those definitions in mind, I cannot see how a model ever has responsibility over a member. There is no duty to deal with their problems or have control over them. Nor is a model accountable or to blame for a member's lack of control, unless of course they used immoral ways to deliberately trick the member into the problem, which is an entirely different issue.
You could maybe say we all have a moral responsibility to not deliberately take advantage of members, especially if we are aware they are in a vulnerable state. This is something though which I believe stands for all humans regardless of the situation. I believe members also have that moral responsibility to not take advantage of models when they're vulnerable. That's just about being a good person. But just being a model and working in a legitimate way, I don't see where responsibility comes into it if a member becomes too attached. Though I am sure most models would want to help and would ban if asked, it is not their responsibility to do so.

It's interesting the different alcohol and gambling laws though on responsibility. For example, in the UK, you shouldn't serve someone who is drunk, but once they leave they are not your responsibility, and half of our pubs get the local daytime drinkers who are clearly addicted. They certainly never get kicked out unless they cause problems. I think with pubs being public houses there are certain laws which mean they are allowed to come in and order drinks so long as they aren't breaking the law or causing problems, but I am not entirely sure what they are so don't quote me on that. While when I worked as a bartender in Australia though, you did have responsibility over those who gamble and drink once you've let them onto the premises. So I guess it depends where you are perhaps on how much you believe people have a responsibility over others. As it is though, there is no law making models responsible over members porn watching and spending habits, so members should go into the world of camming assuming that they will have responsibility over their actions and if they do spend all of their money/get themselves into debt, that is their own issue. I believe it is an incredibly unhealthy attitude for members to ever believe that models should be held responsible for their actions, and on that basis alone I would never promote the concept.

A better question would be asking models what we would do if we had legitimate reasons to think a member were genuinely in an unhealthy situation in regards to us, even if he wasn't bothering us and was providing a good source of income, would we make an attempt to voice our concerns or refrain from encouraging him? Or would we just turn a blind eye and accept the income?
 
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Here's the thing, most models, if asked, would absolutely just ban the member. That's not the argument here.

I think/hope you are right

It's not doing anyone any favors to pretend like this isn't an immature response to the problem on the members end that will do absolutely NOTHING to stop the behavior in the long run.
Why can't he just delete his account?? What is to gain by the member keeping his account and just being banned from the one room? Asking one model to ban you is really the least effective way to solve this problem, I can barely wrap my mind around the stupidity of it.

Not to mention, these members ALWAYS try to come crawling back with some excuse, whining to get let back in, etc etc. At that point it's just a lot of attention seeking drama that we now have to deal with...for free. I would rather the member take responsibility for himself (THIS ISN'T AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST) and remove himself from the situation entirely.

Yes, I agree it is a reasonable request. However, we are dealing with addicts not reasonable people. Addicts do crazy shit like withdrawing their kid's college fund and betting on the Eagles to win the Superbowl, or stealing their mom's jewelry and pawning it so they can get high for a long weekend. There is a reason the 12 step program has addicts focus on short-term goals (I'm not going to drink today) because it's easier than contemplating I'm never going to have another drink in my life. If, I can't see the model I'm love with's room, I'm going to be less tempted to buy tokens and go deeper into debt, is an easier step, than I'm going to complete give up cam models.

I've seen several cases, where a member was completely addicted to a single model, when the model banned or in couple case quit camming, it was a wake-up call to the dude. He'd take a break and would come back to MFC as a guy who is tipping in an affordable manner or in some cases just quit the site altogether. So being banned helped these guys. I'll agree for the guy who is addicted to being the big tipper, then being banned by a single model isn't going to make a difference, but that hardly describes every problem spender on the site
 
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wonder if most cammodels weren't women if we'd even really have this conversation? Do we expect men in commission sales to put capitalism aside and worry for their customers who buy too many pretty cars or too many fancy suits? Or tell women they don't need the 5th pair of overpriced pumps they're trying on? Personally, I think we tend to expect women to put others before themselves.... even strangers. There are a few situations in which I feel morally responsible as a camgirl. If a member says he's under 18, ban and report. If a member asks for something horrifyingly illegal (do you have a dog? do you have a kid? :sick:) ban and report. If I see animal or child abuse, I report it online via the exploited children's page or PETA. It's my job to care about children and animals who can't be expected to care for themselves. It's no ones job to protect a grown man who can't think outside of his wiener long enough to figure out how to get the credit card out of his own hand.


You may have point about women. I'll say for me personally, the guy running the poker game who banned "Vegas", the compulsive gambler I applauded. I bitched and stopped patronizing the guys running games that continued to let him play. Cause I believed they had a moral responsibility to stop enabling his addiction. He fled the island owing close to 100K to lots of people who couldn't afford the losses.

Likewise, I think lots of execs at Purdue and other pharmaceuticals companies who sold obscene amounts of opioids into small towns in middle America, should be locked up right beside cartel leaders. At some point, once you become aware of the indirect consequences of your actions, I think you have a responsibility to stop. Now where you draw the line is worthy of debate.
 
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