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Piracy - How bad is it and what is a fair price for monitoring and automatic takedowns?

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Hey All! I am a software engineer who has built a platform that monitors 20+ porn tube sites (adding more every month) for unauthorized uploads of videos.

The simple explanation of how it works is that you provide a keyword, for example, your model name, and the app scans all sites for matching uploads/videos.

The app allows for 1-click takedown notice submissions to tube sites.

I am currently thinking about pricing and would like some feedback.

How much would you be willing to pay for such a service monthly?

Would you be interested in a monitoring service separately from a 1-click takedown service + monitoring service combo?

Have I built something that no one wants?

I would appreciate any feedback, thanks!
 
Variations of these services already exist, and are used by some models. CamModelProtect and Model Launch are two that immediately come to mind. Their services are actively managed, however, because certain removals just have to be done manually due to the nature of pirate hosting and such, and offer various tiers, ranging $100+ per month. If I'm understanding your proposal correctly, then you're suggesting a computer driven app to do the dirty work, which would be nice but I definitely wouldn't pay more than $10-20/month for it because I imagine it would struggle with the harder sites (forums, in particular, because you need to attack the host sites) while being a quicker version of what I spend an hour per month doing manually (inputting search terms into Google images, various tube sites, etc., then issuing DMCAs to the site, host, or Google result). That ish is tedious, but easy to do (which is what it sounds like your app is geared for). It's the forums that post screenshots of pirated material hosted on remote Russian servers behind layers of protection that are a real bitch to get taken down, and those are where I spend 90% of my time and need the help of active services.

If it had a proven track record and could do everything an active service does, I'd definitely consider paying more for it, but still not on the level of active management (because real live person who handles my case is just more expensive by nature).

Your biggest hurdle isn't designing an effective product; it's garnering model trust. Having access to our personal payment info and our model identities, plus trust in an app that monitors our content? We get twitchy. Given that you've designed a DMCA app, you can imagine why. Most services are run in partnership with known adult companies or major models with a track record; that's your competition.
 
The by far biggest amount of cam piracy is happening by Eastern European webmasters, servers are mostly located in the Netherlands (Ecatel group, NForce, Serverius) but operated through proxy companies incorporated in locations like Belize and going through great lengths to mask the real ip addresses so you could even make a complaint to NForce or Serverius. They would even react but so far it's impossible to get the necessary information to make a complaint.

Tube sites like xvideos, pornhub etc. are really the smallest concern.

Don't know how deeply you looked into the specifics of cam piracy but another difference is that some cam pirate webmasters are really dedicated people. Not just in for the money and definitely not in for "sharing is caring" but dedicated to annoy camgirls. Basically they don't think we deserve copyright or any right at all, because "who gets naked on cam deserves all the shit in the world". So some take it very, very personally when you try to move against them and doxxing models as revenge for having videos removed has happened more than once.

So, i'm not representative at all, for an automated tube takedown service I would not sign up. Sorry, you probably hoped for another answer.
 
@dark_mermaid makes excellent points, and I'm actually revising my prior opinion of "maybe" to "no." This would appeal far more to models who work in private show and independent based adult services where capping is comparatively rare, at which point we (because that's my style) just deal with it ourselves or wait for it to get buried. It's not problematic enough to require paying someone for. Models who only do explicit content behind paywalls at high rates just don't tend to get capped much by the folks spending money on them.

The bulk of active models (and active capping) are on token-based sites like Chaturbate and MFC, where shows are predominantly public and accessible by a largely non-paying audience. Stream capping and piracy is done on every stream, automatically, by bots, and is just a part and parcel aspect of the job. They're the ones who get hit by these THOT-audit jackasses the most, and automated apps really aren't going to be any good to them because the vast majority of pirated content is held behind those layers Dark describes.

Further, clip sale models who work with major platforms like ManyVids, Clips4Sale, and IWantClips are all offered free DMCA take down services by the site teams for any content that is for sale on their respective platforms; all we do is provide links we pull from keyword searches of major search engines and tube sites.
 
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