Still cheating going on

[Kitties_lover]

I have in the last week witnessed two ways models are still cheating their page position and Chaturbate seem completely disinterested so far.

I have seen a pattern, full member accounts with either their user names ending in 19xx or just the xx that would be the year sit in a models room for extended periods of time. Not only do they not interact with the model but they also don’t even follow the model after being in the room for hours. The reason is obviously to boost page position. Not many extra members in your room makes a massive difference in the lower third of the page rankings.

I have also seen 300 anonymous users suddenly fill a room where was say 10 before. These annon users then start dropping away over several minutes at a constant rate until you are back to your original 10.

I guess these are both paid for services.

 

[Olive]

I have in the last week witnessed two ways models are still cheating their page position and Chaturbate seem completely disinterested so far.

I have seen a pattern, full member accounts with either their user names ending in 19xx or just the xx that would be the year sit in a models room for extended periods of time. Not only do they not interact with the model but they also don’t even follow the model after being in the room for hours. The reason is obviously to boost page position. Not many extra members in your room makes a massive difference in the lower third of the page rankings.

I have also seen 300 anonymous users suddenly fill a room where was say 10 before. These annon users then start dropping away over several minutes at a constant rate until you are back to your original 10.

I guess these are both paid for services.

The second option happens to models without them wanting it or causing it themselves. It happens to my stream and I don't want it to, but there's no way I can stop it from happening because I don't know what causes it. This traffic is comprised of only anon users and therefore have 0 effect on site placement. And if they aren't all anons it still has a next to no impact on ranking because this gets updated every x minutes, and the anon surges are always there and gone within that timeframe. (Usually a minute or 2) and even if that would make a difference in ranking for 1 update the person would be right back to where they were the next update.

My paranoid mind has started to think that this is caused by someone who wants models to think they're doing well to encourage them to show more than they normally would to keep the traction going, which is likely not true but its starting to feel like that. But anyway.. all anons, the most they do is fuck up my stream and me being able to gauge how I'm doing because I need to see the actual numbers, and not random fake anon numbers.

I don't know about your first option, but I have realised from analyzing my data the past year and having a better grasp on how the algorithm works that sometimes things that seem to be odd or unbelievable in terms of placement, are not. That's not to say there arent any cheaters, but it is really hard to know whats going on as an outsider and what's being caused by a model herself or the site or users.. And obsessing about it or starting a witchhunt is not helpful.

 

[Kitties_lover]

Hi, many thanks for your thoughts on the anonymous users. Perhaps CB decide to promote one particular room at a time to direct its traffic generated by click redirection. Regards my bigger point; take something like the ‘scientific method’, once you have a hypothesis you then test it to see if it’s correct. 95%+ of the time a member with a user account ending in 19xx will not interact at all, not even follow. If we take say a light blue account without this format at the end I would estimate a 50/50 chance they will say something/ even if it’s “pm bb” or “nice tits” and a maybe 70% chance they will follow. I hope that explanation isn’t too pompous lol - I couldn’t think of a better way to state my thoughts.

apart from the obvious user names like pussylicker69 - I don’t think you can usually predict just from the name how someone will behave in a room.

But there maybe many flaws in my thinking though- so I welcome comments.

 

[maskedsissyslutforyou]

I am going the guess the sudden anon happens because some web site that comes up in search for a number of terms(usually at least one needs to be model/porn related) actually goes directly into a live chaturbate models page. I know when I have searched for models (or own cam) often pages that from the text look like they might have something useful on it go direct into a random models broadcast. There are a number of sites that claim to provide details/recordings/images from the cam sites, but really just dump you directly into a random models page. If your cam were the one that got picked I would expect a massive increase in anon's that all leave quickly.

 

[melanieoncam]

I am going the guess the sudden anon happens because some web site that comes up in search for a number of terms(usually at least one needs to be model/porn related) actually goes directly into a live chaturbate models page. I know when I have searched for models (or own cam) often pages that from the text look like they might have something useful on it go direct into a random models broadcast. There are a number of sites that claim to provide details/recordings/images from the cam sites, but really just dump you directly into a random models page. If your cam were the one that got picked I would expect a massive increase in anon's that all leave quickly.

I really think that's exactly what is happening.

I've seen that exact thing on multiple sites. It's especially annoying to me as a model when I'm advertised on a site for services I don't really do like squirting - they dump a ton of guys in my room expecting that and I don't offer that at all.

 

[bbbbadddd]

I think the anon thing is more bots than any kind of real traffic. They come and go too fast for anything else. There will be 700-1000 appear in an instant. Like within 5 seconds. Then they'll start disappearing in the hundreds quickly too until all gone.

 

[yrhighness]

a romanian guy came into one of my models rooms a few months back asking if she wanted more traffic and the room count was nearly 200 users more when he was in the room, he was ignored and when he left the room count went back down and ever since then i have been seeing this trend of instant big numbers go up and down in various rooms, definitely a hack that needs addressing on cb.

 

[gringo_pete]

That type of traffic weirdness has always intrigued me too.

This is from a room that normally has a dozen users at most. Today though it had hundreds of grays and thousands of anons.



Within a few minutes of the broadcaster going private the tally had dropped to 1 colored and 5 anons

 

[CheeseburgerJesus]

Have you guys ever used Divatraffic.com? Ever heard of skim traffic? Ever bought traffic at all? What problem are you hoping to solve? You think you'd have more viewers if someone else wasn't cheating?
There are several theories about how CB rank works but the one I believe in the most is that it's the total number of tokens in your viewers wallets that determines your rank and literally nothing else at all. So a room with one viewer who has 10,000 tokens will rank the same as a room with 10,000 viewers who have 10,000 tokens between them. Of course, the second it ranks there will be more viewers. Also people who pop into a room and don't find anything interesting will leave just as quickly, so gaming traffic is just a waste of time and effort. There's no substitute for putting on a good show.

 

[Lucid1]

Have you guys ever used Divatraffic.com? Ever heard of skim traffic? Ever bought traffic at all? What problem are you hoping to solve? You think you'd have more viewers if someone else wasn't cheating?
There are several theories about how CB rank works but the one I believe in the most is that it's the total number of tokens in your viewers wallets that determines your rank and literally nothing else at all. So a room with one viewer who has 10,000 tokens will rank the same as a room with 10,000 viewers who have 10,000 tokens between them. Of course, the second it ranks there will be more viewers. Also people who pop into a room and don't find anything interesting will leave just as quickly, so gaming traffic is just a waste of time and effort. There's no substitute for putting on a good show.

I may be wrong, but from all indications, traffic can be bought by anyone, and from an endless supply of sources it seems. Some may be legitimate sources with links to CB affiliate programs and advertising mechanisms, but as has been pointed out, there seems to be an endless supply of people promising traffic increases that are operating outside the controls that CB obviously has in place. So it is natural that performers will become upset when they see something occurring that cannot be explained or seems hidden from them.

 

[rockin_rod]

Interesting speculation, but until the way CB algorithms calculate page rank is known - probably never, and maybe it isn't a static thing either - speculation is all there is.
Of course weird things continue to happen - but even weirder is the behavior of many of the real people who write comments

 

[GraysonDrake]

That type of traffic weirdness has always intrigued me too.

This is from a room that normally has a dozen users at most. Today though it had hundreds of grays and thousands of anons.

This randomly happened to me once a few weeks ago and it freaked me out. I had been online for maybe an hour and then suddenly had over 500 anons in my room for no reason. I just assumed they were all bots and someone was trying to scam me to get me to buy more traffic or something. I never got a message though so who knows. Maybe by automod settings stopped them.

They gradually trickled off over time also, albeit in large chunks at a time. They didn't suddenly vanish.

It was super weird. Hasn't happened again.

 

[cbhours]

That type of traffic weirdness has always intrigued me too.

This is from a room that normally has a dozen users at most. Today though it had hundreds of grays and thousands of anons.

This is likely that thing....i dont remember the name of it.....unogo or some crap, some guy posts on forums and reddit and stuff pretending to be a model asking about it but its really just the owner of the site its just a scam.

There are several theories about how CB rank works but the one I believe in the most is that it's the total number of tokens in your viewers wallets that determines your rank and literally nothing else at all. So a room with one viewer who has 10,000 tokens will rank the same as a room with 10,000 viewers who have 10,000 tokens between them.

Its not, this has been repeated so many times for so many years now and its just not true.

 

[gringo_pete]

There are several theories about how CB rank works but the one I believe in the most is that it's the total number of tokens in your viewers wallets that determines your rank and literally nothing else at all.

Interesting theory. If accurate, it might also explain another CB phenomenon that intrigues me, namely the same dark purple users that daily sit in 4 or 5 of the "top 20" rooms simultaneously for hours on end, seemingly never interacting, and sometimes even staying in the user list for hours after the room goes offline.

It always seemed unlikely to me that these peeps would be spending hours every day ctl-tabbing between 4 or 5 rooms. Maybe these users share your theory, i.e. by leaving the browser tabs running non-stop as background processes they believe they're assisting their favorite broadcasters to get a position on the coveted Page One.

 

[CheeseburgerJesus]

Interesting theory. If accurate, it might also explain another CB phenomenon that intrigues me, namely the same dark purple users that daily sit in 4 or 5 of the "top 20" rooms simultaneously for hours on end, seemingly never interacting, and sometimes even staying in the user list for hours after the room goes offline.

It always seemed unlikely to me that these peeps would be spending hours every day ctl-tabbing between 4 or 5 rooms. Maybe these users share your theory, i.e. by leaving the browser tabs running non-stop as background processes they believe they're assisting their favorite broadcasters to get a position on the coveted Page One.

They could just be lurkers with adhd, or they might not be in the room at all, just left the phone or pc on that tab and put it in their pocket. I have plenty of strange lurkers like that in my room as well.

 

[CheeseburgerJesus]

Its not, this has been repeated so many times for so many years now and its just not true.

You may be right, but so far it fits what little I can observe better than other theories I've heard.

 

[schruti]

I have in the last week witnessed two ways models are still cheating their page position …

I witnessed the same patterns you witnessed, and the models did not cheat.

I saw rooms suddenly being filled by grey or anonymous users, and a guy trying to make the model pay for these users. The models did not order his sales presentation; he just keeps trying and hoping a model will fall for his army of bots and pay him.

I saw rooms with users with tokens hanging around for a long time, apparently inactive. Quite often, that was me, checking how some of the features of my apps perform. The models certainly did not order me into their rooms, and sometimes they actually banned me - which, of course, won't stop my apps from supporting them.

 

[cbhours]

You may be right, but so far it fits what little I can observe better than other theories I've heard.

Easy to test the theory simply purchase a ton of tokens and visit one of those room with 1 user about 5 pages from the back of the list, it will probably be sorted by time online (since rooms with equal positional value use time online as the tie breaker). Once the models position shifts find them at their new position with any luck you'll find her in a spot still sorted by time online and then visit the room before and after hers on the model list and chances are high (some exceptions apply) you will see two rooms with 1 colored name just like the model you are currently visiting. Once you're satisfied tip the model you visited .

 

[Isamecb]

The second option happens to models without them wanting it or causing it themselves. It happens to my stream and I don't want it to, but there's no way I can stop it from happening because I don't know what causes it. This traffic is comprised of only anon users and therefore have 0 effect on site placement. And if they aren't all anons it still has a next to no impact on ranking because this gets updated every x minutes, and the anon surges are always there and gone within that timeframe. (Usually a minute or 2) and even if that would make a difference in ranking for 1 update the person would be right back to where they were the next update.

My paranoid mind has started to think that this is caused by someone who wants models to think they're doing well to encourage them to show more than they normally would to keep the traction going, which is likely not true but its starting to feel like that. But anyway.. all anons, the most they do is fuck up my stream and me being able to gauge how I'm doing because I need to see the actual numbers, and not random fake anon numbers.

I don't know about your first option, but I have realised from analyzing my data the past year and having a better grasp on how the algorithm works that sometimes things that seem to be odd or unbelievable in terms of placement, are not. That's not to say there arent any cheaters, but it is really hard to know whats going on as an outsider and what's being caused by a model herself or the site or users.. And obsessing about it or starting a witchhunt is not helpful.

have you been able to solve this? I have sent many emails just like you, they sent me traffic a year ago, but recently they sent me an email that stopped using bots. I have nothing to do with this problem and I don't want to lose my account