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Thai Cave Rescue

Discussion in 'Random Chat' started by Bocefish, Jul 6, 2018.

  1. Bocefish

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    WTF were they doing going that deep into the cave in the first place?!?

    One diver has already lost his life trying to help save them.

    Monsoon season is quickly approaching...

    What do you do?
     
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  2. zippypinhead

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    Are we sure they had meant to go so deep? Getting lost and disoriented in caves is not unheard of. I also heard that surprise flooding might have played a factor.
     
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    It's like a horror movie. I start breathing weird thinking about it. Those poor babes and their poor parents. How did they get in there like that?
     
  4. Bocefish

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    Exactly!??

    At what point did their coach/leader get a clue what they were doing was a bad idea?

    Some of the best engineers in the world are working diligently on how to save them.
     
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  5. Bocefish

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    Kudos for their success so far in such a complex time-sensitive rescue.
     
  6. dilligaf0

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    I wonder if they panicked when the cave started flooding and just headed for the only higher ground near them.
     
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    I was in Pennsylvania at my grandparents' house this past weekend, and my grandmom had been following the updates on this news story (I actually do not watch the news often...in fact, I try to avoid watching the news). Coming home from work today, I saw her happy update on Facebook on how the final child has been rescued. :)
     
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    Seriously though why was a soccer team on exploration of a cave? How did this even get started? I haven't really paid much more than passing attention. But, my biggest questions are What and Why and to a lesser extent how. Nice to see they all made it out alive. But, if I'm parent of a kid and this coach is my kid's coach. My kid's team building exercises will be limited to practice.
     
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    First you have to consider some sports teams are more after school activities than only for competition. They didn't plan to go that far into the cave they were just trying to avoid the flooding and got trapped and pushed further in to find safety. Considering the pocket they sat in for 11 days maintained oxygen meant there was SOME way for air to enter the area. He kept all his kids safe till rescue and patient under the situations. I don't fault him for making a decision that only turned out to be wrong in hindsight.
     
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  10. Gen

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    The parents were sending him notes saying they appreciate him taking care of the kids and don’t blame him. If they can forgive him, so can we. Everyone’s okay and, like you said, he kept the kids as safe and calm as possible. I’m so glad they’re all okay, and I hope the family of the man who died know how grateful the whole world is.
     
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    I’m just happy it wasn’t Putin who had to make the decisions in this case.
     
  12. dilligaf0

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    Trump would have wanted the rescue paid for in advance.
     
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  13. Bocefish

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    They're not even my kids and I have a hard time forgiving him for putting those kids in a situation like that which caused the death of one their rescuers. There had to be warning signs... I hope anyway.

    I'm super thankful they're ok.

    I heard one of their political leaders say he is going to make sure nothing like this ever happens again.

    Also heard movie scripts are being shopped around too... imagine that.
     
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  14. Lintilla

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    If you find it difficult to see a way to forgive him, yet the parents and other people more closely involved do not... would you consider that maybe you're not the most informed as far as this situation goes and maybe you shouldn't be judging here?
     
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  15. Bocefish

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    From what little I know, that's apparently what happened. They were deep into the cave when rainwater flooded their retreat back to the entrance so they were forced to go deeper into the cave.
     
  16. Bocefish

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    If it was just him and maybe one of his ADULT friends it would be a whole different thing, but his decisions risked the lives of those kids and ultimately caused the death of one of their rescuers. You just don't lead kids into caves like that without knowing wtf you're doing.

    Doesn't matter if I forgive him or not, he has to live with causing the death of someone trying to rescue them.
     
  17. Lintilla

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    Oh. Did he lead them in? Do you know more about this than the rest of us?
     
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  18. Bocefish

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    Well.... perhaps all the kids locked up their bikes and one of the little whippersnappers just charged into the cave's tunnel and everybody followed him without his knowledge?

    He was the so-called responsible adult in charge, no?

    What scenario do you see?
     
  19. Lintilla

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    I don't know because I wasn't there. Were you?
     
  20. Bocefish

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    I get what you're saying but enlighten me what scenario you can think of where any responsible adult would ever do what he did?

    Now if the prepubescent tykes were all somehow lured in by attractive irresistible nekkid female troglodyte time traveling shapeshifters I could relate.
     
  21. Lintilla

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    I... don't think you get what I'm saying at all.
     
  22. Bocefish

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    What experience do you have spelunking?
     
  23. Lintilla

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    What experience do you have spelunking?
     
  24. Bocefish

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    I asked first.

     
  25. Lintilla

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    Does that transform it into something that's even fucking relevant to ask? JFC dude.

    If the parents of those children want to judge the coach, I guess they could go ahead. That's a situation for the actual people involved to work out. But from all accounts I've read they're thankful to him. It really ends there for me.

    Countries that aren't America still don't have the same culture of WATCH CHILDREN LIKE A HAWK. Which I appreciate not kicking in while I was a small kiddo.

    You're welcome to your opinion, but I guess I'm welcome to think you're a bit nutty :/ Ain't we all.
     
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    I'm sure they appreciate your approval.
     
  28. Lintilla

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    Can you read? Did I say I approve?
     
  29. paige_orion

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    We don't know if he put anyone in the situation. I mean, sometimes there are just tragic accidents, y'know? I went on field trips to explore caverns with my school when I was the same age as those kids, so it's kind of easy for me to imagine it as a good team-building adventure. It's a popular tourist attraction so there was no reason to expect it wouldn't go well, especially when the team had visited on a prior occasion without anything going wrong. How was anyone to know that it would start flooding? When I go visit popular tourist attractions, I certainly never expect tragic accidents to happen. No matter how alert and responsible you are, you just can't plan for every contingency.

    Flash flooding is scary, man. One minute it's fine and the next, there's water pouring in faster than you can think. It's easy to panic, especially when it's dark and you're underground. Throw in eleven kids who are probably freaking out, trying to navigate CAVE systems with probably nothing more than flashlights - it's so easy to get twisted around. There aren't usually signs telling you where to go. All you can think of is getting to higher ground and keeping the group together and the kids are freaking out, but the water keeps rising and you've got to keep going because there's no way to turn back. He might have been the adult - but I don't think very many humans would have been able to handle that situation perfectly.

    Everything I've read suggested it was an unexpected accident, and clearly, he did his best. He kept the children alive. He kept them together, made sure no one got serious injured. Even when they found higher ground and were trapped for daaaays while people searched for them, he managed to keep the children calm. He managed to keep them alive without food or water. And flashlights don't last that long. Which means they had to wait in the dark, trapped under the earth. I can't imagine how difficult it would have to be to stay strong in front of all of those kids, not knowing if anyone would find them, but telling them over and over again that it would be okay. But the coach was a young buddhist monk who taught the frightened children to meditate to calm their nerves in the middle of the crisis. He took responsibility for his group in a bad situation, and everyone came through. The children's parents are grateful for the care he took of those children. They regard him as a hero who kept their children alive.

    It's easy to want to blame someone when something goes wrong, but everything I've read suggested this wasn't his fault. Monsoon rains came unexpectedly and the exit was trapped. There was no way to get them out that way, even if he wanted to. Several of the kids couldn't swim, and trying to attempt it could have cost all of their lives. All he could do is take the kids deeper into the cave system and pray for the best. People visit those cave systems all of the time. But you cannot control nature. You can't plan on flash flood waters. There is no one to blame here. Tragic accidents happen every day, y'know? Luckily, everyone survived this harrowing ordeal, and if that coach hadn't kept those kids calm and lead them to higher ground, who knows how many lives might have been lost?
     
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  30. Bocefish

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    So you don't approve?
     

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