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Too "professional" looking?

Discussion in 'General Cam Chat' started by Trixie_Treats, Jun 8, 2018.

  1. Trixie_Treats

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    Hello cam gals and cam lovers,

    I wanted to get your thoughts. Last night was my first night on MFC with my new profile. I deleted my old one when I relocated to a new location. I use to cam as Hannah, and was camming sporadically for under a year. I was trying more of the girl next door vibe but thats really not me, I was trying to cater to the general public and do something very different from what my interests are. I would do public cum / squirt shows etc. but I longed to add more of a creative aspect and my passions into my cam persona. I took lots of time off from camming when I moved from Vegas. I wrote to MFC and they granted me a new profile. With this new profile I decided I wanted to give the non-explicit in public chat a shot. I still love being naughty but want to save that for MFC share videos, customs, privates and Skype sessions with a select few.

    I have been working very hard to get my profile page together, and put together a really fun artistic cam space to broadcast from. It took me a bit of time to create it. I was so eager to get online and perform some very unique shows I had planned. Last night my goal was a shibari bondage rope strip where I tie myself into a shibari rope harness and strip out of it then into a candle wax show. Its for sure a bit fetishy but more seductive and sensual. I also have an aerial hoop, trampoline and many other fun activities I can perform in. This excites me and I think its something unique I can offer to the MFC audiences and I want nothing more than to be able to perform these unique fun shows, but sadly I couldn't even make my first countdown.

    Last night I eagerly logged on, very excited to give it my all my first day, however, I barely had anyone in my room. I made around $13 from 9 PM-11:30 PM. Barely anyone was chatting with me, so I was dancing around trying to talk to a silent room. No one was engaging so I decided it was best to log off to save my new model status for another day.

    My cam space is definitely unique. My friend Johnny who has been a tremendous help in giving me advice said I look "too professional" that guys just want to see a girl who doesn't look like she knows what she's doing. He said I look like a "porn star" though I'm not, and guys want to tip girls who look like they need tips. This really is disheartening. I invested so much into this, not only time, but funds. I'm in no way a "pro" I do have a background as a stripper, and am a fetish model so I use those tools when camming. I know how to move my body and talk to people. I'm an artist and trained in aerial arts so I hope to use those skills as well for my shows. I am in no way a "pro cam girl". He said there were girls on last night with new model status well above my rank who have already accomplished their countdowns sitting in a room with no makeup and bad lighting. I was sadly at the bottom of the list. My other girl friend who use to cam said that the Stanley Cup was on and that it was just a slow night.

    Regardless this broke my heart. I put so much love and energy into my first day, my cam space and then to only have 12 or less people in my room and not even half way to my first countdown was a bit heartbreaking.

    What are your thoughts on new models or models in general offering something unique and different? Is my cam space too much? Too different? Should I just head over to the boring bedroom or living room perhaps and tone it down? Maybe I can do my final countdown in the set I made I'm jus not too sure what to do or what I might be doing wrong. I really love camming and hope to cam and use the money to put towards my future goals and dreams. Being an exotic dancer most of my life has come to a dead end and I need to start thinking of my future and saving for it. I know the competition is hard these days as a lot more ladies are getting into camming (I'm one of them) but I really have passion for this, and hope to be able to be successful enough so I can continue to have an outlet to create for.

    Any advice would be very appreciated.
    Attached is a photo I took last night of me in my space. I plan on trying again at 9pm EST until 2am. I'm wondering if maybe that time is not a good time for new models but Im trying to stick to a schedule I can reasonably do.

    Hope to have a better night tonight.

    Photo on 6-7-18 at 9.03 PM.jpg
     
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  2. emily rae

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    you have a gorgeous set up, your camroom looks amazing, and your skills and tools will absolutely make you stand out. (Look at RocknRose!!)

    understand that building a following takes time. don’t be discouraged!! I made less than you my first night!

    maybe take some time to look at what the other models are doing differently - and spice up your profile pic (no nudity though!) as that is a members absolute first impression of you.

    talk, a lot. putting on a show is awesome, but camsites are where members come to interact. if you are only performing and not interacting that might put them in a “just watching” mindset.

    take this with a grain of salt. I’m new.
     
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  3. Trixie_Treats

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    I was definitely chatting and letting them know a bit about me, but no one was really engaging in conversation. It was like pulling teeth.
     
  4. ElaySmith

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    Hey just wanted to pop in here and say your "friend" Johnny sounds like a real twatwaffle. His "advice" is pretty much useless bs and are completely and 100% his preferences and apparently those aren't the kinds of guys your trying to attract anyway. You are offering something special, something more niche and its not going to appeal to everyone, but that is okay. I think there are more than enough people that will find you gorgeous and appreciate the type of show/room you are trying to create. I know I would definitely be interested in watching you.

    Tell us more about how you ran your room and we may be able to offer some helpful advice. Did you have several small countdowns or go for one large one? Did you have items for sale like snapchat or videos? if you do are you counting those tips towards countdowns?
     
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  5. ElaySmith

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    DP! I did just take a look at your profile and it looks good. The only thing I will say is that it was a little hard to read bc the text is so small in the graphics. I did zoom in a bit to see if that would help but then it was just a bit fuzzy. Its definitely not unreadable just a little harder than you'd probably like.
     
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  6. Trixie_Treats

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    Hi Elay,

    Thank you for your thoughts. Johnny though has been watching and helping cam girls for many years and dated a very successful model and helped her get there. He's just letting me know what the general public likes. He notices trends and said right now it appears to be amateur looking girls. I dunno.

    To answer your questions yes I for sure had small countdowns to the large goal. I started with bra, garter belt stockings, thong with an attractive sheer lace robe on top. I ditched the robe when I realized this was going to take some time and made the countdown for my bra to come off at 1000 which I think is reasonable.

    I have games, roll the dice and my trick or treat bucket with little pieces of paper that could be a trick or a treat. Treats are things like Skype shows, custom videos, MFC share vids, dirty DM snapchat messages etc.. tricks are silly things like stand on my head, talk in an accent, puppet show etc. And then of course little things like kitty flash, boob flash or anything you can find in my tip menu.

    I do have snapchat for sale, kik, and MFC share vids that count toward the countdown as well. I plan on making more videos, and hope to make a new one in this set I worked hard to create.

    I tweeted prior to going online. I made a couple sexy snaps incase anyone purchased my snapchat (no one did) and got online. Had some blues / Muddy Waters pandora station playing in my room and danced around. I had a couple friends come in, one friend tipped me most of what I made.

    I left after I realized my room was declining and people weren't chatting. I talked about all sorts of things, gave them a little tour of the details in my set, and did a sexy dance which someone tipped me for. Someone else tipped me for a body tour, and another for boob flash, which I had a red feather and traced it around my breasts and whatnot, it was sensual and I was having fun but after that it all just came to a dead end. I decided to save my new model hours for tonight in hopes it's better.

    I'm considering moving to the living room and then once things get rolling in my countdowns make the final countdown happen in the set.

    I live in a big loft, which I am renting so that I can hang my aerial hoop and train in. I also love to take photos so it's a perfect photography studio. My friend and I built a partition for the loft so that I can have a studio space on one side and living area on the other side. It's still being made and I cant wait until it's done so we can instal mirrors which I think will be fun to cam with. Either way Im setting up this space to be quite epic and sinking in most of the money I have into it.

    I feel kind of stuck, if in fact I don't fit into what people want on MFC, I feel theres no place for my art. I started as a stripper then started featuring performing burlesque and fetish shows in clubs but no one really books showgirls anymore, all the clubs want to book porn stars who don't necessarily put on a show. Burlesque bookings are not paying what they use to because over saturation of amateur performers and so thats why I thought this would be a great platform to create and share my art. I'm terrified I don't fit in here either. My goal is to save money from hopefully being successful as I can be camming which will also give me an outlet to create and save to either go back to school for Realestate or eventually my pipe dream is to open a unique small performance based club with live jazz. Big dreams I know, but I have a lot of perseverance, or so Im told. :)
     
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  7. BiancaBaker

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    I am in love with everything do not listen to this dude!!! He is just trying to control you. These guys on MFC that try and "help" are so toxic. I would block him NOW. Your font is a little hard to read but you could fix that. MFC is hard honestly. I never could do well on there but everything looks perfect girl. I hope it turns around for you. Also you are GORGEOUS! Also sign up for Streammate or Chaturbate :) You never know what will work for you. It may not be MFC. I'm a full time clip maker and NF chick so gotta find your niche!!
     
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  8. Emberblaze

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    Guys like Johnny are almost always liars that are completely full of shit and just get off on manipulating models to be what they want or are just White Knights who don't have a clue what they are talking about but are convinced they are "experts"

    Don't trust these guys.
     
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  9. Trixie_Treats

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    Oh yes I know. So heres the story on that.
    I painstankly designed my profile (went to school for graphic design but suck at html). I accidentally saved a flattened version of the profile and went to access the unflattened version to enlarge everything that appeared smaller once I added MFC share to my profile. And when I went to access my external drive it wont show up on my computer so its broken. I just got this drive and Seagate wants $650 plus to retrieve my files. ALL of my cam stuff is on there including my sexy videos. So Im a bit bummed about it. So now I have to redesign it from scratch which took me quite a bit to create to begin with. So I had no choice but to log on with it as is. Maybe today I can make something quick as a place holder. But I dont think I have time today. I did however type my tip menu in my whiteboard for easier reading.

    :)
     
  10. Trixie_Treats

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    Awe thank you so very much. I really do think he was trying to help. He never asks me for anything and was referred to me by another model my second day camming on my old profile. We remained in touch since even when I wasn't camming. He has a girlfriend and has never tried to date me or ask me for anything. He really does seem like a nice guy who is trying to help. My first day with him he helped me with my profile blocking my IP address and how to block guests and all of that stuff. Hes always been there for advice. He just thinks that the general public wants the girl next door. He said men are more likely to tip you if it looks like you need it, he said the more professional you look the less likely that will happen out of the gate and I need to work toward what I am offering now. I just truly hope someone finds me and appreciates what I have to offer. I might try to cam in my living room today and see how that goes but still keep my pinup look and vibe. Maybe set up my aerial hoop so I can spin around when things get boring. Plus I could use the excuse to train. lol
     
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    you are on top of it. It is obvious that you have dedication. Maybe try a different site like Chaturbate if MFC doesn’t work?
     
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  12. Trixie_Treats

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    thats a good idea, though I've tried chaturbate but its more masturbation based in public and I like that MFC seems to have more creative ladies on that are non explicit in public chat. I've also tried streamate which isn't my jive either. I like the intractive aspect of MFC.
     
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  13. BiancaBaker

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    There are a ton of non explicit successful models on CB!!! @Mila_ is deff one!!!


    Also what about clips - sites like C4S, IWC, MV - you can totally be non nude or non explicit!
     
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  14. ElaySmith

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    Its sounds like you have your shit together and know what you want. MFC can take some time and more luck than any other site I have ever been on. It seems the biggest thing is consistency and just trying to stick to a schedule so your fans know when to find you.

    First let me say that by no means am I telling you what to charge as you should charge whatever you see fit but imo this may be a bit high. Im not saying your boobies aren't worth that much, Im sure they are worth much more but such a big number to remove 1 piece of clothing and w/out much of a following can seem unattainable to the few members in your room. What was going to be your break down for the entire show?
     
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    I am inclined to agree here, if you want to have your “top off” goal at 1000tkns (which translates to $100 for you and ~$200 for the members.) then you should perhaps have smaller goals to reach first. reaching a goal of 1k tokens is daunting, for members and models.
     
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  16. Trixie_Treats

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    hmmm... okay good advice. Not too sure how to work that if the first thing off is my bra, what could be reached first. Not too sure what I could do other than be more covered and make it a smaller goal of say 500 tokens or 400 even?

    Thank you for your advice. :h:
     
  17. Trixie_Treats

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    I thought 1000 tokens = $50 for the model. The way I had it set up was to make not much just $200 I was trying to keep it low but I guess thats not low? if you divide 4000 by 20 you get $200. I would like to make my goal $500 each time I log on eventually but I thought I'd start with $200 which seems reasonable if Im camming from 9-2am. That works out to $40/hour.

    Break down of the entire show was going to be
    Bra @ 1000
    Garter and stocking strip tease @1000
    Strip out of panties @500
    Shibari / Wax show at @1500


    I found this breakdown of tips which helps me a lot. Screen Shot 2017-12-28 at 1.16.16 AM.png
     
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    I guess there's 2 questions to this dilemma:

    "How do I change myself to fit what the perceived audience wants?"

    or

    "Where do I find the audience that would tip for what I offer?"

    The first one is sort of what it sounds like you're asking, but I sense that you'd be pretty unhappy changing your talents and abilities into something that would suit one particular cam-model stereotype. Probably also leads to burnout too, especially when you frame yourself as the "problem to be fixed." (Not to mention the pitfall of comparing yourself and imitating other models- a good tactic to some extent, but I look at first page models on CB and think... Nope, not for me.)

    If you're a niche within a niche, it'll take time to find those people who want to watch what you offer. If you're basically doing a burlesque-style show on a cam site and not at a burlesque show, you're just going to need time for the right audience to find you, or at least to "train" the audience to appreciate your show. I can't give great advice- I basically suck at bringing in tokens, but I KNOW deep down in my soul that the longer I come online and do what I ENJOY, the universe will bring along the right viewers for me and inevitably some of those viewers will be whales.
     
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  19. emily rae

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    I had a moment that is correct!
     
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  20. Trixie_Treats

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    Thank you for this encouragement. I needed it. I guess I just have to be patient and stick with what makes me happy and hope others enjoy it as well. :) Love and appreciate your words.
    :h:
     
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    It varies from man to man. But me as a man I agree with what your friend Johnny says. It looks really professional, especially with that background. That is not bad, but some men prefer to see an amateur girl camming in her bedroom. Nothing special, just simple.
     
  22. Trixie_Treats

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    I understand. I did that before and I found it to be a snooze fest for me and limiting to what I could do creatively. I think that would be fine if I was doing explicit things in free chat but without a cum show being limited to my bedroom would limit me and what I hope to accomplish in my shows. I'll try camming from my living room today and when I gain more viewers will move to the set in hopes that works. :)
     
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    hi, i hesitate to give any comments simply bc 'a mans advice' is typically looked at as "just a wanking wallet" and they "only want one thing" or the old "what do they know" mentality. Man haters are everywhere, lol. While we aren't cam girls [obviously] some of us have been in the production end, studio setups as well as S.O. living together with a camgirl [or even married] longer than a lot of these girls have been out of school, but whatever...

    I will say there is a slot for "professionalism" as well as GND types. Its a matter of building the crowd, which takes time. Guys are a funny lot. If you are too "put together" that will intimidate many and get you a lot of silent watchers. That can also get you a good fet following if you happen to fit the hunger at that time. Its pretty much a crap shoot nightly and till you have the loyals, it helps to be very flexible with your time on cam. I tend to agree with Johnny. This is where the flexible part comes in- going with the flow of the tippers you have, finding out their 'hunger' and playing to it. Not being a noob, I'm sure you have many ideas for a cam night. It might work better if there wasn't anything set until you build the room following and then you can tweet or whatever to remind them 'tonight is xxxxx night' to maximize your room if they are interested. I follow some that will start on a fairly casual note [finishing makeup, clothes, costume prep etc.] and then go to their cam room where its set up for something. That gives a basic direction but isnt really set as a hard line. One of my friends had terrific success morphing the room by letting the tippers 'drive the bus' so to speak. They see a black light, 'oh how much to paint my name'.... turns into body painting then oil n glitter to a shower show....
    Give the pervs time to find you. Good luck. :)

     
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  24. Trixie_Treats

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    Thank you for your advice, I do like to hear and value a male viewers perspective. I'm a feminist but that doesn't mean I dont love men. I really do! If it wasn't for horny men or men who appreciated female beauty and company I would not have been able to make a living my entire life, nor would most of these girls, so I have the upmost respect for men... nice ones of course :)

    Please forgive me but what is GND stand for? Im not down its the cool kid lingo apparently. lol
     
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    Double brownie pts for using "twatwaffle"! :)
     
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  27. paige_orion

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    First off, your set up is fucking goooorgeous. Oh. My. God. It is beautiful and magical and alluring, and you look like a sensual siren in the middle of it all! Professional, yes. But perfect.

    Also, I want to agree with the other models! I would take your friend's advice with a grain of salt. It is suuuuuper common for members to find a new model and try to "help" them, but often, it isn't the beeeeest advice. Sure, there is a huge market for amateur girls, but there is also a market for super creative shows. And your friend might be letting his own bias do the talking, which happens sometimes. The point is, every dude wants something different. If you ask ten different guys what they prefer in a cam model, you will probably get ten vastly different responses. Some prefer amateur, others professional. Some prefer chill hangouts, others elaborate shows. Some young, some like the more mature models. Some like curves, others like slender body types. Some like explicit, others tease. Everyone has a different preference, and it isn't unusual for member advice towards new models to reflect their preferences, intentional or not.

    So take his opinion with a huge grain of salt - and don't change yourself for him. It takes time to build up a following, and allow people to discover you. But I hear over and over again how members enjoy authenticity - and it can be so draining and boring to be someone you aren't. If you are a creative, sensual tease model, then keep it up. Experiment with different shows. Log on as much as you can to gain as much exposure as possible, so the people who appreciate your style will find you. There seems to be a market for every style on cam sites - the hard part is putting yourself out there, over and over again, until your regulars find you!

    It could have been an off night. And things like sports can definitely affect a turnout! People might be trying to learn more about you before being comfy enough to open up - but it can take time to build up a super chatty community of regulars. One off night, or even an off week, isn't necessarily enough time to judge whether major changes are needed, or if minor tweaks (such as goal pricing) might be enough to get the ball rolling!

    I think your setup and ideas are awesome, and I really look forward to seeing your work on the site! But, full disclosure, I really enjoy watching creative tease shows, so feel free to take this opinion with a grain of salt too. ^_^

    Good luck!
     
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  28. heybarkeep

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    Johnny seems to mean well. The same few girls here that are constantly rushing in to be all clueless and unlikable and bitter might mean well too. Unfortunately, you have to be really careful to rely on or trust the advice of most. Just my opinion here but I like professional looking.

    Yeah, especially here. Which sucks obviously, I doubt this is what the owner intended this place to be. On the bright side, it provides constant amusement for many.
     
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    Look up Austin White, the newer RocknRose, etc. They have a professional set like yours and would never take advice from a "Johnny" or a Multi-colored eye-shadow avi. Follow your heart and your passion! Aerial hoops will definitely draw in a crowd, the pinup look is always a hit when you wear it with confidence (which you do!) and not taking the advice of men isn't "hating" it's being true to yourself and your art.
     
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    Just because it is too funny/tragic to not point this out, look at the most agreed upon post at this time. @Emberblaze, starting member of Undesirables United, as usual pretending to be giving helpful advice. Even after op explained her reasoning. This crab in a bucket has never been helpful.

    Okay, sorry for the little bit of reality. I know how much it is hated here. Please return to your fantasy land where this place is helpful for new models and doesn't produce and enable failure, hatred and misery.
     
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