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Without going any further... I wanna talk about jasmin, puntually, livejasmin. Jasmin is a site known for prioritize member over models. although, they have changed over the years (about 5 years ago was worse) but, they still never pronounce themselves on the subject. I am talking about respect to the model. It is true that being a camgirl is not a bed of roses there are things that you must assume, such as that your sex life will be made public most of the time without your consent, and of course, that you will receive in your room all kinds of human fauna without being able to do a lot about it, if you want to make money ofc. But I want to emphasize this last point because personally, it is not correct that everything stays in "It is normal" or "just ban and report" when these companies with large capitals and platforms can begin to invest in educating and raising awareness among members, which ultimately Improves traffic quality.

This is a tweet of jasmin in #8M, terrible. At first sight (corporately) and speaking from my experience on the site. Jasmin is a misogynistic page, the values of the organization are misogynist and not friendly to those who support them, sex workers, models. In addition to the concept of outdated glamour that requires you to change your essence to look yourself same to all. The site does not look like camgirls, it looks like a lingerie catalog (all rooms look similar, mostly because almost all of them are exploitative studio models that anticipate their brand over the model's brand). And that, in private, the glamour is over, if you are willing to shit and eat your own shit, it will surely be on top. This is the time that still I cannot enter to the fetish category because my room is not dark and gloomy, they have a cliché version of fetishism, black or red, latex, leather and whips. LOL.

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What other platform must to cares more about promoting respect for sex workers than a camsite? It seems that what they do goes against their own interests, until I discovered that they cannot promote respect for the models, because the members do not pay to respect you. They pay for other things, for things they could not do or tell to a girl outside without first going to jail. It is absurd if you think about it, as a professional or technician or craftsman you charge for your service, that does not mean that you can not relate on good terms, or that you are a greedy person or with little value...

At this point I want to talk about a very important issue then. How do visitors see the models, how do they perceive us? Many paying members, solvent, old on the site that visit my room, perceive that air of "dignity" on my face (I am also dominatrix, or well, I try, lol) and simply they don't like it, bothers them. I enjoy my work, i try, but it seems that the discomfort is more attractive. Always, every day, vanilla, kink or sub, they try to make me understand what my place is, to make me see that if I don't know my place I will not earn money on the site. Which place? Does the money-sex transaction cancel humanize the model?

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And this is a valid question because when a VIP member, exclusive, at all... tries to offend me the first resource they use is to use camgirl as an offense. That is, you are here, in this place, there is nothing more unworthy than the place where you are sitting, delete that dignity face, does not fit you well... Then I wonder if I am scum, what are they doing here? It is here when the site must ask what customers think of those that make them feel pleasure. And this is important, because most of the prejudice towards sex workers comes from those who consume the service, and it is a discussion that we tend to avoid, for fear of lose...

This logic applies same when a #NiceGuy™️ tries to praise you by telling you that you are too much for that place, that is, again, the place where you are currently sucks (and it has nothing to do with it being they who cause that place sucks hahahaha).

So. Why to consume something you consider rotten? All camsites must have to start worrying about how their traffic is treating the models. From that question we should leave to find the origin of prejudice and repulsion for sex workers.

Finally, I must add, I am aware that most models here are free to let their personality run working on sites that work with tips and goals, in my case, being kink-fetish is very difficult, and even worse being dominatrix , because the free site is, most of the time, motivating the client enough to pay (look at me here!), and for any dominatrix that is similar to begging. We also have to put ourselves in contexts, to the women of the south of the world we get a very different kind of traffic, in fact, the sites do not tell us, but they assign the traffic according to the place of origin, because they need something like extra income, they can't let bad traffic lose, because although little, it's still money. It is very common for a Latina to believe that is earning millions in a private of 1.99 / min, putting objects in her anus and doing other things that few members would ask of a camgirl from Canada, Europe, UK, Australia or the United States.

So with more reason, sites like live jasmin need to be revalued and see what tools they can create to allow models take the contro of their rooms, at least from the aggressions they receive daily. In jasmin, you cannot ban someone, that is, if there are a registered member once you disconnect and go online again (or come back from pvt) the member can go back too to the room to bother you, and guests, we just cannot silence them because jasmin it forces you to become members, so once they run out of two minutes of free view, they come back with another guest name and you can't do anything about it. In fact, there is something that seems even more serious, apparently several pages (like F4F) have an internal rating system where the model that lose points, traffic and benefits with every ban.

Psd. This reminds me, if you feel good to do charity, and know models that go well being dominant in free cam sites, let me know hahahahah.
 

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Very long post, will eventually read it all but my initial reaction is: this is why I’ve never respected LiveJasmin or considered it a site to use for verification here at ACF. It’s one of those sites focused on studio models, or models that don’t have the ability, or motivation, to run their own business and find a more independent cam site to work on.

I never visit it because their spammy ads on porn sites turn me off. Their interface is super focused on private shows and hardcore romance stuff.

I haven’t (as stated) read the OP enough to know if this comment is applicable, but I’d suggest LJ models to look into MyFreeCams or Streammate as a better alternative to LJ. You’ve got the freedom to run your room the way you want, and they won’t promote you in the disrespectful ways that the OP seems to be upset about.
 
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Very long post, will eventually read it all but my initial reaction is: this is why I’ve never respected LiveJasmin or considered it a site to use for verification here at ACF. It’s one of those sites focused on studio models, or models that don’t have the ability, or motivation, to run their own business and find a more independent cam site to work on.

I never visit it because their spammy ads on porn sites turn me off. Their interface is super focused on private shows and hardcore romance stuff.

I haven’t (as stated) read the OP enough to know if this comment is applicable, but I’d suggest LJ models to look into MyFreeCams or Streammate as a better alternative to LJ. You’ve got the freedom to run your room the way you want, and they won’t promote you in the disrespectful ways that the OP seems to be upset about.

I apologize for the long maybe the images make it look like xd. Anyway, what you say is true. I tried it in mfc months ago but only vanilla boys arrived and because I was new I could not afford to be "me", but I had to show more skin and do more things to "motivate them", a fine line between working and begging. So I only made 20 dollars and authorized the closing of the account. Now I am trying with streamate and the change is radical, although the stupid ones are never missing, streamate gives you more tools to deal with trolls, in jasmin the possibility is almost null, you send a request reporting to the abusive member but it takes days to answer and when They do the abusive member can come back weeks later (speaking from my experience, of course).
 

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I read your entire post, you seem out of place for Jasmin... you would do better on Streamate where most private based indie models stream at.

I am personally on Chaturbate and if you are willing and able to go through a steep learning curve and change your style a bit (without doing anything you aren’t 100% comfy doing) you could do great on CB... you have a beautiful face, a curvy body which is very well liked on CB and could do amazing
 

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Well on jasmin its exactell like @RoseAnnne described and posted. Anyway on every website there are scumbags and trolls but on jasmin they simply rock the numbers , and ... jasmin do not pay enough to make me stay there to take their shit.

Sites like chaturbate or stripchat are way more better and they have a minimum respect for the models.
 
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Without going any further... I wanna talk about jasmin, puntually, livejasmin. Jasmin is a site known for prioritize member over models. although, they have changed over the years (about 5 years ago was worse) but, they still never pronounce themselves on the subject. I am talking about respect to the model. It is true that being a camgirl is not a bed of roses there are things that you must assume, such as that your sex life will be made public most of the time without your consent, and of course, that you will receive in your room all kinds of human fauna without being able to do a lot about it, if you want to make money ofc. But I want to emphasize this last point because personally, it is not correct that everything stays in "It is normal" or "just ban and report" when these companies with large capitals and platforms can begin to invest in educating and raising awareness among members, which ultimately Improves traffic quality.

This is a tweet of jasmin in #8M, terrible. At first sight (corporately) and speaking from my experience on the site. Jasmin is a misogynistic page, the values of the organization are misogynist and not friendly to those who support them, sex workers, models. In addition to the concept of outdated glamour that requires you to change your essence to look yourself same to all. The site does not look like camgirls, it looks like a lingerie catalog (all rooms look similar, mostly because almost all of them are exploitative studio models that anticipate their brand over the model's brand). And that, in private, the glamour is over, if you are willing to shit and eat your own shit, it will surely be on top. This is the time that still I cannot enter to the fetish category because my room is not dark and gloomy, they have a cliché version of fetishism, black or red, latex, leather and whips. LOL.

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What other platform must to cares more about promoting respect for sex workers than a camsite? It seems that what they do goes against their own interests, until I discovered that they cannot promote respect for the models, because the members do not pay to respect you. They pay for other things, for things they could not do or tell to a girl outside without first going to jail. It is absurd if you think about it, as a professional or technician or craftsman you charge for your service, that does not mean that you can not relate on good terms, or that you are a greedy person or with little value...

At this point I want to talk about a very important issue then. How do visitors see the models, how do they perceive us? Many paying members, solvent, old on the site that visit my room, perceive that air of "dignity" on my face (I am also dominatrix, or well, I try, lol) and simply they don't like it, bothers them. I enjoy my work, i try, but it seems that the discomfort is more attractive. Always, every day, vanilla, kink or sub, they try to make me understand what my place is, to make me see that if I don't know my place I will not earn money on the site. Which place? Does the money-sex transaction cancel humanize the model?

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And this is a valid question because when a VIP member, exclusive, at all... tries to offend me the first resource they use is to use camgirl as an offense. That is, you are here, in this place, there is nothing more unworthy than the place where you are sitting, delete that dignity face, does not fit you well... Then I wonder if I am scum, what are they doing here? It is here when the site must ask what customers think of those that make them feel pleasure. And this is important, because most of the prejudice towards sex workers comes from those who consume the service, and it is a discussion that we tend to avoid, for fear of lose...

This logic applies same when a #NiceGuy™️ tries to praise you by telling you that you are too much for that place, that is, again, the place where you are currently sucks (and it has nothing to do with it being they who cause that place sucks hahahaha).

So. Why to consume something you consider rotten? All camsites must have to start worrying about how their traffic is treating the models. From that question we should leave to find the origin of prejudice and repulsion for sex workers.

Finally, I must add, I am aware that most models here are free to let their personality run working on sites that work with tips and goals, in my case, being kink-fetish is very difficult, and even worse being dominatrix , because the free site is, most of the time, motivating the client enough to pay (look at me here!), and for any dominatrix that is similar to begging. We also have to put ourselves in contexts, to the women of the south of the world we get a very different kind of traffic, in fact, the sites do not tell us, but they assign the traffic according to the place of origin, because they need something like extra income, they can't let bad traffic lose, because although little, it's still money. It is very common for a Latina to believe that is earning millions in a private of 1.99 / min, putting objects in her anus and doing other things that few members would ask of a camgirl from Canada, Europe, UK, Australia or the United States.

So with more reason, sites like live jasmin need to be revalued and see what tools they can create to allow models take the contro of their rooms, at least from the aggressions they receive daily. In jasmin, you cannot ban someone, that is, if there are a registered member once you disconnect and go online again (or come back from pvt) the member can go back too to the room to bother you, and guests, we just cannot silence them because jasmin it forces you to become members, so once they run out of two minutes of free view, they come back with another guest name and you can't do anything about it. In fact, there is something that seems even more serious, apparently several pages (like F4F) have an internal rating system where the model that lose points, traffic and benefits with every ban.

Psd. This reminds me, if you feel good to do charity, and know models that go well being dominant in free cam sites, let me know hahahahah.
Ive noticed a heavy turnaround of the most beautiful Colombian girls on MFC, and clearly they dont speak English, and are handled, and very poorly from my point of view, they are instructed to go straight in from day one, naked and doing everything in free chat and to look excited when they are tipped 5 cents. I think they are really just being used as fodder to train the men to be more and more addicted and perverted. So real women really cant satisfy their weirder and weirder fetishes. You have English, so you should move on, that place sounds just awful.
 
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Ive noticed a heavy turnaround of the most beautiful Colombian girls on MFC, and clearly they dont speak English, and are handled, and very poorly from my point of view, they are instructed to go straight in from day one, naked and doing everything in free chat and to look excited when they are tipped 5 cents. I think they are really just being used as fodder to train the men to be more and more addicted and perverted. So real women really cant satisfy their weirder and weirder fetishes. You have English, so you should move on, that place sounds just awful.

I will explain you why that's happen. STUDIOS. Yes.

Studios tell you that this is how you should work. Studies impose a daily goal (sometimes by hours), if you do not reach this goal you are fired. Simple. Then, when you enter excitedly believing that working your way and your style will be good, and the first week you have no luck, they begin to pressure you to do free naked hardcore shows. They sell you the idea of the independent, empowered woman, who won't be forced to do things you don't want, and obviously they don't force you, they fire you hahahaha.

Ok. The other problem is a gender bias. I explain. The studies are usually administered by men or their owners are usually men. They have a desirable woman stereotype according to their territorial context, that stereotype does not match the diversity of men who enter your room, but your boss, imposes your vision of what he considers sexy, incidentally tells you that you are not Objective (when it is he who calls his own subjectivity "objectivity"), they believe that what they want to see on the screen, the rest of the visitors want it too. For this reason they believe that a girl doing free hardcore shows will sell faster (but not necessarily the constant ones).

And this "sell faster" is important, because studios are not interested in girls who sell the average but constant over time, for studios is more profitable to "burn" the girl in her first months so that she produces enough money in a short time, after when they no longer reach their goal be replace it with fresh meat, and so ... And there will always be fresh meat, with fresh meat I mean girls in need (this has nothing to do with greed).

English is also important. As you will see my English is still not very good, I write with fluids but with bad grammar sometimes so the translator helps, I speak fluently, sometimes I forget some words but for the business it is enough ... But most of the study girls don't know English, they don't know how to create an environment and a connection with visitor, then, just fill the hole with a free show. In addition, when girls learn English they usually communicate with their fans beyond the cam, which results in losses for the studio and the same cam sites (because the site is who, it is many occasions, it requires studios to implement these policies, From what I said earlier, there is a bad traffic that you can not miss, the traffic "hi bb, i want you" doing a lot of hardcore things on 3 secs "). CamSoda for example, is a site that has started with Latinas doing a free show, and MFC as veterans tell me, it was also like that in its beginnings.
 
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I will explain you why that's happen. STUDIOS. Yes.

Studios tell you that this is how you should work. Studies impose a daily goal (sometimes by hours), if you do not reach this goal you are fired. Simple. Then, when you enter excitedly believing that working your way and your style will be good, and the first week you have no luck, they begin to pressure you to do free naked hardcore shows. They sell you the idea of the independent, empowered woman, who won't be forced to do things you don't want, and obviously they don't force you, they fire you hahahaha.

Ok. The other problem is a gender bias. I explain. The studies are usually administered by men or their owners are usually men. They have a desirable woman stereotype according to their territorial context, that stereotype does not match the diversity of men who enter your room, but your boss, imposes your vision of what he considers sexy, incidentally tells you that you are not Objective (when it is he who calls his own subjectivity "objectivity"), they believe that what they want to see on the screen, the rest of the visitors want it too. For this reason they believe that a girl doing free hardcore shows will sell faster (but not necessarily the constant ones).

And this "sell faster" is important, because studios are not interested in girls who sell the average but constant over time, for studios is more profitable to "burn" the girl in her first months so that she produces enough money in a short time, after when they no longer reach their goal be replace it with fresh meat, and so ... And there will always be fresh meat, with fresh meat I mean girls in need (this has nothing to do with greed).

English is also important. As you will see my English is still not very good, I write with fluids but with bad grammar sometimes so the translator helps, I speak fluently, sometimes I forget some words but for the business it is enough ... But most of the study girls don't know English, they don't know how to create an environment and a connection with visitor, then, just fill the hole with a free show. In addition, when girls learn English they usually communicate with their fans beyond the cam, which results in losses for the studio and the same cam sites (because the site is who, it is many occasions, it requires studios to implement these policies, From what I said earlier, there is a bad traffic that you can not miss, the traffic "hi bb, i want you" doing a lot of hardcore things on 3 secs "). CamSoda for example, is a site that has started with Latinas doing a free show, and MFC as veterans tell me, it was also like that in its beginnings.

I think you're confusing business with bias. Studio are there to make money. Sites are there to make money. Models, female or male are under the same rules to perform and make income for the studio, gender has nothing to do with it. Gender is coincidental to the demands of the consumer base which is vastly straight male and secondly gay male which the male model market mostly caters too. There are more female models because of consumer demand not because women are 'better' at sex work. Who OWNS a site or studio is the person who takes the risk and ambitions of creating one. If there are less women owners then more women should be taking the financial risks to open and operate studio and sites, gender doesn't determine this initiative does.

Language elevates value because being able to communicate with customers vastly increases opportunities for business.

I disagree that studio values 3 second sessions over long term sessions. I think you're combining teasing and audience attractors with the actual business for privates where you want the member to stay as long as possible and ideally other members watching as well. I might be misunderstanding your thoughts regarding this part however.
 
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I think you're confusing business with bias. Studio are there to make money. Sites are there to make money. Models, female or male are under the same rules to perform and make income for the studio, gender has nothing to do with it. Gender is coincidental to the demands of the consumer base which is vastly straight male and secondly gay male which the male model market mostly caters too. There are more female models because of consumer demand not because women are 'better' at sex work. Who OWNS a site or studio is the person who takes the risk and ambitions of creating one. If there are less women owners then more women should be taking the financial risks to open and operate studio and sites, gender doesn't determine this initiative does.

Language elevates value because being able to communicate with customers vastly increases opportunities for business.

I disagree that studio values 3 second sessions over long term sessions. I think you're combining teasing and audience attractors with the actual business for privates where you want the member to stay as long as possible and ideally other members watching as well. I might be misunderstanding your thoughts regarding this part however.

I promise myself don't answer to the type "nothing wrong, all is fine, all is equal, and normal and i know more about you than yourself" of things... Kisess.

Note: I was talking about studios admins and policy respect to the bias in SOUTH AMERICA, and not about sites users. And i was talking about what are doing sites actually to promote respectfull to sexual workers in the members. So. I smell the anti SJW from afar, and that's not the way around if it's what you're trying to do. It's not about you at all. I must too be a sac of pus to think that "all is fine cause money". LOL.
 
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Before I found ACF LiveJasmin is what made me stay away from cam sites thanks to their pop ads that they used to appear on sites that i used to frequent looking for game cracks, abondonware and cd-keys about 15 years ago. Those ads had me believe that all cam models where being exploited by the sites they worked for and that I was going to be conned in some way. Thankfully I eventually found my way here and have since learned that a lot models are just normal people although more creative and charismatic than the average person. I still don't like LiveJasmin and I don't think that will change judging by they way they operate.
 
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Before I found ACF LiveJasmin is what made me stay away from cam sites thanks to their pop ads that they used to appear on sites that i used to frequent looking for game cracks, abondonware and cd-keys about 15 years ago. Those ads had me believe that all cam models where being exploited by the sites they worked for and that I was going to be conned in some way. Thankfully I eventually found my way here and have since learned that a lot models are just normal people although more creative and charismatic than the average person. I still don't like LiveJasmin and I don't think that will change judging by they way they operate.

Jasmin needs those ads because the model is not allowed to create her own brand and promote it. And yes, it sucks, both for potential clients and for models, both actors who seek human interaction.
 

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The only way for a site to promote respect for models is to respect them by protecting their money and prioritizing models over members and affiliates. MFC no longer works for me and my lifestyle, but, imo, it's the only cam site that manages to do these things fully. If you're not on there, you might want to read up on it and try! :)

Before anyone jumps on me for leaving out Streamate despite working on there for years, I'm comfortable saying their overall business model includes disrespect for models. Their pay is too low percentage wise. They give too much to affiliates. They don't allow models to promote anything outside of Streamate, and the free window at the beginning of privates promotes the idea that women should work harder to keep entitled members.
 
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I will explain you why that's happen. STUDIOS. Yes.

Studios tell you that this is how you should work. Studies impose a daily goal (sometimes by hours), if you do not reach this goal you are fired. Simple. Then, when you enter excitedly believing that working your way and your style will be good, and the first week you have no luck, they begin to pressure you to do free naked hardcore shows. They sell you the idea of the independent, empowered woman, who won't be forced to do things you don't want, and obviously they don't force you, they fire you hahahaha.

Ok. The other problem is a gender bias. I explain. The studies are usually administered by men or their owners are usually men. They have a desirable woman stereotype according to their territorial context, that stereotype does not match the diversity of men who enter your room, but your boss, imposes your vision of what he considers sexy, incidentally tells you that you are not Objective (when it is he who calls his own subjectivity "objectivity"), they believe that what they want to see on the screen, the rest of the visitors want it too. For this reason they believe that a girl doing free hardcore shows will sell faster (but not necessarily the constant ones).

And this "sell faster" is important, because studios are not interested in girls who sell the average but constant over time, for studios is more profitable to "burn" the girl in her first months so that she produces enough money in a short time, after when they no longer reach their goal be replace it with fresh meat, and so ... And there will always be fresh meat, with fresh meat I mean girls in need (this has nothing to do with greed).

English is also important. As you will see my English is still not very good, I write with fluids but with bad grammar sometimes so the translator helps, I speak fluently, sometimes I forget some words but for the business it is enough ... But most of the study girls don't know English, they don't know how to create an environment and a connection with visitor, then, just fill the hole with a free show. In addition, when girls learn English they usually communicate with their fans beyond the cam, which results in losses for the studio and the same cam sites (because the site is who, it is many occasions, it requires studios to implement these policies, From what I said earlier, there is a bad traffic that you can not miss, the traffic "hi bb, i want you" doing a lot of hardcore things on 3 secs "). CamSoda for example, is a site that has started with Latinas doing a free show, and MFC as veterans tell me, it was also like that in its beginnings.
Sometimes, i am incredulous at the way they instruct these girls, if i got to manage these women, they couldnt fail , they are so good looking. I sometimes wonder if it is actually European men that own these Colombian studios, i would not be surprised. The exploitation is clear. God forbid they would have the sense to equate investing in basic English classes for women with exponential profitability. But, as you point out RoseAnne, the inability to know what is going on is a big part of the control. When i see the Colombian women, i just have to see the flawless skin, etc and say thats a Colombian, even when they are trying to pass them off as Spanish. Clearly the Colombian environment is very healthful. And these studios know why they located there. I dont think it is just machismo that is creating this phenomona, i just wonder where these women go once they are 'turned out' on the camsites?
 
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I promise myself don't answer to the type "nothing wrong, all is fine, all is equal, and normal and i know more about you than yourself" of things... Kisess.

Note: I was talking about studios admins and policy respect to the bias in SOUTH AMERICA, and not about sites users. And i was talking about what are doing sites actually to promote respectfull to sexual workers in the members. So. I smell the anti SJW from afar, and that's not the way around if it's what you're trying to do. It's not about you at all. I must too be a sac of pus to think that "all is fine cause money". LOL.
"nothing wrong, all is fine, all is equal, and normal and i know more about you than yourself" - is a dangerous perspective to take - because males seeing very beautiful females being devalued over and over again - does have various effects on male psyche. The non-nude is reverred, the Dom is reverred, the other camgirls become more and more expendable. In the end the effect is universal and race will not be a factor, the job will become a very different beast for everyone.
 
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I think that two people have already misunderstood my comment, those are the effects of anti SWJ paranoia.

With "gender gap" (one of the 4 points I talked about), I mean that here, the owners of the studios are all men, and have their own version of what they consider sexy, that is, if my boss Like red lips and girls with implants, your study is more likely to be full of women who look like this. So, if my boss thinks that putting a water pipe in my ass is sexy, he will most likely tell all the models in his studio to do so. That is, they believe that because they are men, they know what other men are looking for in a camgirl (and it is not an unsubstantiated assumption of a politically correct madwoman, literally the studio owner tells you that), and that is obviously is wrong. Not only do men arrive in my room, and when they arrive they come from different cultural contexts, so each one has a different vision of what they consider attractive.

In addition, these same studio owners need to sell the stereotype of "the Latin export". Most of the time, they are only fulfilling a stereotype, because they were told that by reinforcing it they would earn more money. And the truth, sex tourism here moves for that, so it is understandable to think, if it works in sex tourism, why not in front of the webcam?

I really hope that the "gender gap" word have been understood and is already done.
 
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The only way for a site to promote respect for models is to respect them by protecting their money and prioritizing models over members and affiliates. MFC no longer works for me and my lifestyle, but, imo, it's the only cam site that manages to do these things fully. If you're not on there, you might want to read up on it and try! :)

Before anyone jumps on me for leaving out Streamate despite working on there for years, I'm comfortable saying their overall business model includes disrespect for models. Their pay is too low percentage wise. They give too much to affiliates. They don't allow models to promote anything outside of Streamate, and the free window at the beginning of privates promotes the idea that women should work harder to keep entitled members.

You have the reason. Streamate (and firecams) work for me better than jasmin (although sadly I must continue in LJ until my new accounts are better positioned). But firecams pay 40% and that're a pair of things that bother me from streamate. Just pay 30% (But I do not deny that, while LJ has quantity, SM has quality).

That only begins to charge after the minute is a problem, because even if you have your price per minute high, they do not get a lot of hardcore things in less than a minute can leave you a bad review, even if you delete it they come back and they leave it the review and can do it again without being able to do much about it. And it is a big problem because if your room is full and fluid, a stupid crepp dude wanna empty it taking you private for 1 minute and leave it. In that aspect, SM is not protecting the models.

Another thing that bothers me about SM is that they require you a number of hours per week to position you on the page (or it may be that only Latinas demand it, just as we only get paid 30% revsha of whether we are independent). That is, if you can do well by investing 40 hours of your time per week (because you have a life and need to take care of it) they simply lower you at the bottom of the page (Although it may also be that they only require it from Latin models , I really don't know how SM relates to the other models that are not from here).

I wanted to know too, do you also get paid 3 weeks later?
 
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I think that two people have already misunderstood my comment, those are the effects of anti SWJ paranoia.

With "gender gap" (one of the 4 points I talked about), I mean that here, the owners of the studios are all men, and have their own version of what they consider sexy, that is, if my boss Like red lips and girls with implants, your study is more likely to be full of women who look like this. So, if my boss thinks that putting a water pipe in my ass is sexy, he will most likely tell all the models in his studio to do so. That is, they believe that because they are men, they know what other men are looking for in a camgirl (and it is not an unsubstantiated assumption of a politically correct madwoman, literally the studio owner tells you that), and that is obviously is wrong. Not only do men arrive in my room, and when they arrive they come from different cultural contexts, so each one has a different vision of what they consider attractive.

In addition, these same studio owners need to sell the stereotype of "the Latin export". Most of the time, they are only fulfilling a stereotype, because they were told that by reinforcing it they would earn more money. And the truth, sex tourism here moves for that, so it is understandable to think, if it works in sex tourism, why not in front of the webcam?

I really hope that the "gender gap" word have been understood and is already done.

Studio owners want to make money that's why you created their studio. Owners can set any standards they want in their studio or at least what works best for them. They can choose to not entertain models that aren't willing to do mainstream content. That's the right of owning a business. Telling a studio owner how to run their business no different that telling an independent model. Gender has no regard to this because owning a studio comes down to who put the money into it. The only person applying stereotypes here is you. If you seriously have problems with how a studio or a site conducts business go setup one on your own. Show them how your studio does better than theirs and they'll change and follow your example.

and what is anti SWJ?
 
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Before anyone jumps on me for leaving out Streamate despite working on there for years, I'm comfortable saying their overall business model includes disrespect for models.
Especially with that godawful JerkMate white label, jfc. The way it straight up says that the models will obey all commands, disparages every category, and even says that dommes secretly want to be sexual is beyond disrespectful to every model on the site.

That only begins to charge after the minute is a problem, because even if you have your price per minute high, they do not get a lot of hardcore things in less than a minute can leave you a bad review, even if you delete it they come back and they leave it the review and can do it again without being able to do much about it.

It should only be 30 seconds that they get free, not a full minute. If you're experiencing members only getting charged after a minute, something is wrong with your account and you should contact support to fix it. There's also a back-end way to block people, I'll DM that to you when I'm on my computer and have the link.
 
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Especially with that godawful JerkMate white label, jfc. The way it straight up says that the models will obey all commands, disparages every category, and even says that dommes secretly want to be sexual is beyond disrespectful to every model on the site.



It should only be 30 seconds that they get free, not a full minute. If you're experiencing members only getting charged after a minute, something is wrong with your account and you should contact support to fix it. There's also a back-end way to block people, I'll DM that to you when I'm on my computer and have the link.

You have all the reason, that's the topic, very unrespectfull, and thanks, i wait the info :h:
 
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Studio owners want to make money that's why you created their studio. Owners can set any standards they want in their studio or at least what works best for them. They can choose to not entertain models that aren't willing to do mainstream content. That's the right of owning a business. Telling a studio owner how to run their business no different that telling an independent model. Gender has no regard to this because owning a studio comes down to who put the money into it. The only person applying stereotypes here is you. If you seriously have problems with how a studio or a site conducts business go setup one on your own. Show them how your studio does better than theirs and they'll change and follow your example.

and what is anti SWJ?

I really don't understand how you are in a place like this. But good. Tell that to everyone who thinks the same to me, because apparently we all agree on respect for the model and its independence, until now. SO. Next with you.
 
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Especially with that godawful JerkMate white label, jfc. The way it straight up says that the models will obey all commands, disparages every category, and even says that dommes secretly want to be sexual is beyond disrespectful to every model on the site.

I've never understood why camsites would even want to promote such things. I get some models like to do some Dom scenarios. But, no way in hell should a site promote disrespect of another human being.



It should only be 30 seconds that they get free, not a full minute. If you're experiencing members only getting charged after a minute, something is wrong with your account and you should contact support to fix it. There's also a back-end way to block people, I'll DM that to you when I'm on my computer and have the link.

I don't even think it should be that. Though, in a way, I can kind of see it to allow for lag to catch up. But, I would think that people would understand sometimes it takes a bit for things to sync up. I've never heard of MFC giving any free time to members in the beginning. I've had it a couple of times where in a TPvt the link drops and it kills the session. Usually, in that case, I think it runs about 20-30 seconds after before recognizing the drop. One time, it was something like 90-120 seconds. I could've asked support to refund. But, both times were with a model I've done more than a few privates with. So, while it didn't leave enough to finish the private with more than a minute or two, it also kind of killed the moment. I felt perfectly fine not doing anything other than tipping her the rest of the amount I had already planned to use for the private. She did feel bad about it. But, I explained to her all was good, I enjoyed the time we had and wanted to let her know I appreciated her spending time with me.
 
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Without going any further... I wanna talk about jasmin, puntually, livejasmin. Jasmin is a site known for prioritize member over models. although, they have changed over the years (about 5 years ago was worse) but, they still never pronounce themselves on the subject. I am talking about respect to the model. It is true that being a camgirl is not a bed of roses there are things that you must assume, such as that your sex life will be made public most of the time without your consent, and of course, that you will receive in your room all kinds of human fauna without being able to do a lot about it, if you want to make money ofc. But I want to emphasize this last point because personally, it is not correct that everything stays in "It is normal" or "just ban and report" when these companies with large capitals and platforms can begin to invest in educating and raising awareness among members, which ultimately Improves traffic quality.

This is a tweet of jasmin in #8M, terrible. At first sight (corporately) and speaking from my experience on the site. Jasmin is a misogynistic page, the values of the organization are misogynist and not friendly to those who support them, sex workers, models. In addition to the concept of outdated glamour that requires you to change your essence to look yourself same to all. The site does not look like camgirls, it looks like a lingerie catalog (all rooms look similar, mostly because almost all of them are exploitative studio models that anticipate their brand over the model's brand). And that, in private, the glamour is over, if you are willing to shit and eat your own shit, it will surely be on top. This is the time that still I cannot enter to the fetish category because my room is not dark and gloomy, they have a cliché version of fetishism, black or red, latex, leather and whips. LOL.

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What other platform must to cares more about promoting respect for sex workers than a camsite? It seems that what they do goes against their own interests, until I discovered that they cannot promote respect for the models, because the members do not pay to respect you. They pay for other things, for things they could not do or tell to a girl outside without first going to jail. It is absurd if you think about it, as a professional or technician or craftsman you charge for your service, that does not mean that you can not relate on good terms, or that you are a greedy person or with little value...

At this point I want to talk about a very important issue then. How do visitors see the models, how do they perceive us? Many paying members, solvent, old on the site that visit my room, perceive that air of "dignity" on my face (I am also dominatrix, or well, I try, lol) and simply they don't like it, bothers them. I enjoy my work, i try, but it seems that the discomfort is more attractive. Always, every day, vanilla, kink or sub, they try to make me understand what my place is, to make me see that if I don't know my place I will not earn money on the site. Which place? Does the money-sex transaction cancel humanize the model?

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And this is a valid question because when a VIP member, exclusive, at all... tries to offend me the first resource they use is to use camgirl as an offense. That is, you are here, in this place, there is nothing more unworthy than the place where you are sitting, delete that dignity face, does not fit you well... Then I wonder if I am scum, what are they doing here? It is here when the site must ask what customers think of those that make them feel pleasure. And this is important, because most of the prejudice towards sex workers comes from those who consume the service, and it is a discussion that we tend to avoid, for fear of lose...

This logic applies same when a #NiceGuy™️ tries to praise you by telling you that you are too much for that place, that is, again, the place where you are currently sucks (and it has nothing to do with it being they who cause that place sucks hahahaha).

So. Why to consume something you consider rotten? All camsites must have to start worrying about how their traffic is treating the models. From that question we should leave to find the origin of prejudice and repulsion for sex workers.

Finally, I must add, I am aware that most models here are free to let their personality run working on sites that work with tips and goals, in my case, being kink-fetish is very difficult, and even worse being dominatrix , because the free site is, most of the time, motivating the client enough to pay (look at me here!), and for any dominatrix that is similar to begging. We also have to put ourselves in contexts, to the women of the south of the world we get a very different kind of traffic, in fact, the sites do not tell us, but they assign the traffic according to the place of origin, because they need something like extra income, they can't let bad traffic lose, because although little, it's still money. It is very common for a Latina to believe that is earning millions in a private of 1.99 / min, putting objects in her anus and doing other things that few members would ask of a camgirl from Canada, Europe, UK, Australia or the United States.

So with more reason, sites like live jasmin need to be revalued and see what tools they can create to allow models take the contro of their rooms, at least from the aggressions they receive daily. In jasmin, you cannot ban someone, that is, if there are a registered member once you disconnect and go online again (or come back from pvt) the member can go back too to the room to bother you, and guests, we just cannot silence them because jasmin it forces you to become members, so once they run out of two minutes of free view, they come back with another guest name and you can't do anything about it. In fact, there is something that seems even more serious, apparently several pages (like F4F) have an internal rating system where the model that lose points, traffic and benefits with every ban.

Psd. This reminds me, if you feel good to do charity, and know models that go well being dominant in free cam sites, let me know hahahahah.
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That is what you are and I know you know it because you decided to go outside of the norm and not continue to allow BS. I am sooo happy you created this post because I hope it catches on fire and women understand their power and position on these sites. I believe wholeheartedly that if sites valued their performers more we wouldn't have to deal with individuals who don't know how to speak to other humans because their behind a computer screen. The screen timeout should be implemented, I BELIEVE on every site and certain words I don't think should be allowed to even get past the "send" button. I understand some things are fetishized however maybe let it be an option in our settings we can turn on or off! Either way, 5 years ago I started my cam career on livejasmin, and the feeling I got made me feel some type of way. Lately, I've been contemplating going back just because, I WAS feeling out of place on chaturbate. After reading your post, my memory is coming back to me and I won't be back! I also believe you should try a site like chaturbate out and get a manyvids account started if you haven't already! There are plenty of gentlemen and women who would love to have you on chaturbate! I don't do the best in the dom category because, I have to stay on my more "light and fluffy" train or else EVERYONE will suffer lol becauae my dom side is very potent and not fun for those who can't deal! I say once you've successfully cammed on a site that has the least amount of care for models, you can succeed at any camsite. You've passed the mental test because this biz can break you and continue if you don't take back your control and realize whose in charge here! Power of the mind is everything, and you got that down! I hope these sites get a clue, and realize without healthy, happy, models they have no performers! So get rid of the people who want to act like they are kids on these sites, or at least create a fining system for repeat offenders. Money talks, and if they are fined heavily for everytime they JUST CANT HELP THEMSELVEA TO CALL YOU OUT OF YOUR NAME AND HAVE TO SAY UGLY THINGS ABOUT OUR BODIES, fine em! And have that fine go up! Idk but I appreciate this thread, Gorgeous!
 
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