Do you think piracy on tube sites is going kill the porn industry?
This ABC News story covers this issue
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Tube sites? No. They're being heavily used to promote pay sites now, and illicit content from those sites is being taken down pretty quickly. Sites like Megaupload (now defunct) are a bigger danger, imo.
As far as stolen cam model shows go, they're a poor substitute for live interaction, and the people who watch them probably would never tip or pay for porn, anyway.
As far as stolen cam model shows go, they're a poor substitute for live interaction, and the people who watch them probably would never tip or pay for porn, anyway.
Poison_Ivy21
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Will it destroy the music industry? Movie industry? No, but it's hurting everyone.
Fuck MindGeek. Fuck PornHub. Fuck all tube sites. FUCK all users who reuploud content. I hope they all burn.
Fuck MindGeek. Fuck PornHub. Fuck all tube sites. FUCK all users who reuploud content. I hope they all burn.
Poison_Ivy21
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I don't understand how anyone camming through streamate would be mad at pornhub... 
Why?I don't understand how anyone camming through streamate would be mad at pornhub...
Nordling
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Pornhub is owned by MindGeek. Streamate and its clones are owned by Streamate Inc.
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And you believe those companies are totally independent?
http://www.pornhublive.com/?sakey=a5c51c95b3f11a46&stno=2-630-678-2790-0-0-2470-3389
Compare that with SM or any of its affiliates.
Poison_Ivy21
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Just like those girls in the video, we don't have much choice but to work for who we work for.
Oh and most SM girls hate the affiliate sites because they don't do their jobs properly.
Oh and most SM girls hate the affiliate sites because they don't do their jobs properly.
When I type in the names of SM's clones into Google the sites dont come up in the search results.
Poison_Ivy21
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"I don't understand how anyone in the military could be mad at what the US government does overseas."
"I don't understand how anyone working in the oil business could be upset about the environmental impact drilling has."
Just because we work for someone, doesn't mean we agree with everything they do. We all have to make a living, and a lot of the time, that involves working for some shitty company that does shitty things.
Pornhub can suck a fucking fat one. Like most models, one of my capped shows ended up on there. So yeah, they can fuck off. I couldn't give less of a fuck about Pornhub live.
"I don't understand how anyone working in the oil business could be upset about the environmental impact drilling has."
Just because we work for someone, doesn't mean we agree with everything they do. We all have to make a living, and a lot of the time, that involves working for some shitty company that does shitty things.
Pornhub can suck a fucking fat one. Like most models, one of my capped shows ended up on there. So yeah, they can fuck off. I couldn't give less of a fuck about Pornhub live.
Idk Pornhub gets such a heavy load of traffic, People who don't even know much about cam models know pornhub
This does not bother my conscience or wallet when I cam through streamate.
This does not bother my conscience or wallet when I cam through streamate.
Poison_Ivy21
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Traffic does not equal paying traffic.
The media and music industry were all up in arms initially when YouTube really took off years ago. These tube sites aren't going away. The industry either has to vigilantly police content, or strike a deal and get into a revenue sharing agreement with the tube vendors.
Here's a Slate writeup on MindGeek, written a year ago.
Monopolies are bad. Monopolies that are almost wholly based in illegal trafficking of content are terrible. This serves as a good illustration to the downside of people's insistence on the wholly-unregulated exchange of content that is the internet, and it shouldn't be dismissed because it's porn. If MindGeek can do this, others in more "legitimate" industries can do it, too.
Monopolies are bad. Monopolies that are almost wholly based in illegal trafficking of content are terrible. This serves as a good illustration to the downside of people's insistence on the wholly-unregulated exchange of content that is the internet, and it shouldn't be dismissed because it's porn. If MindGeek can do this, others in more "legitimate" industries can do it, too.
thanks for the Slate article. I was wondering who MindGeek was now that I know its the new name of the evil Manwin everything makes sense.
The only thing I found 'great' about that, was the 'great' waste of time in reading it.
Implying, that all traffic could somehow 'miraculously' become paying traffic. Before the internet with playboy magazines and films etc the VAST MAJORITY didn't pay for porn. If it's not free the majority won't pay or even be involved.
Picture by Hay Kranen / PD'.
It's a roughly a power law graph. The x-axis to the population of people. The y-axis in the amount of value. People with enough value above entry barrier can be converted to paying customers. Note the y-axis won't start at zero as the barriers to entry include such things as the cost of internet, cost of computers, banking payments, value of time etc.
The green represent those that get enough value from porn that converting to a paying customer makes sense, the yellow for those that are value is not enough to pay.
It's the MFC structure to profit, get your paying customers by making it free to maximise availlablity, but make value features to convert your customers.
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Poison_Ivy21
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Cool, I don't believe in the MFC structure. It make work for some, but I'm not into giving away anything for free.
The only thing thats free on MFC is public chat and your not required to do public chat. If you want to, you can do only group shows and privates and those are not free.
Poison_Ivy21
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Im not turned on by watching masturbation. Im only turned on by boobs and butts. Is that ok?
It's not about whether we believe it or not. It's about how effective the free structure is. The free structure on the porn tube sites is highly effective. So much so, that it raisies concerns for the porn industry that this thread is about.
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Poison_Ivy21
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There are some guys who get off on paying women to ignore them. There is no normal. Whatever gets you off, gets you off and thats totally fine.
Poison_Ivy21
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And either way @Puffin @Nordling I hate MFC and it's layout. And I also hate tube sites. Doesn't matter what any graph says, I hate em.
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Like, cool the MFC layout is "proven" to work. Does that mean the SM layout doesn't work? Does that mean that reuploading content isn't super fucked up? Does that mean that conceptually tube sites aren't totally fucked up? No. So, that doesn't fucking matter to me.
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Like, cool the MFC layout is "proven" to work. Does that mean the SM layout doesn't work? Does that mean that reuploading content isn't super fucked up? Does that mean that conceptually tube sites aren't totally fucked up? No. So, that doesn't fucking matter to me.
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