Would you consider Larry Flynt a sex worker?

[Yavin4MFC]

Or Hugh Hefner would also work.

Curious everyone's thoughts.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

No, I guess they are more analogous to pimps than actual sexworkers. But I wouldn't actually call them pimps either haha.

 

[Starman]

Sex purveyors? I means sellers of particular goods, but also can mean promoter of particular ideas - and has the bonus of sounding like "perve" and "voyeur."

 

[SMuser69]

I would say promoters. Each created content platforms. Each used the platforms to influence the mainstream concept of their platforms. They both established a 'brand' there's a 'Playboy' style of photos and a 'Hustler' style of photos.

 

[JickyJuly]

In the broad sense, I would include them especially in this political climate. They have the stigma stuck to them as much as men in porn would have. Doesn't seem fair to leave them out.

 

[Mila_]

Men associated with the porn industry carry the stigma too, it's not just the actors

 

[DFT]

No, I guess they are more analogous to pimps than actual sexworkers. But I wouldn't actually call them pimps either haha.

I think you had it right in one.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I think there's a tendency to underestimate Larry Flint as a watchdog for democracy and free speech within it. There's much more to the person than pure graphics. One of the reasons I'm proud to be assisting the adult community, even if just as a sublet, is because of the values of free speech.

 

[heybarkeep]

A pusher mostly but still under the sex worker umbrella. He should get the same respect many give to Hefner, if not way more but fame wasn't as big a concern to him.

 

[Yavin4MFC]

So someone who is involved in the sale, creation, promotion, etc, of sex is a sex worker?

 

[zippypinhead]

They already have a title. Publisher. It's odd that such smart people participating in this thread keep grasping for the obvious term while describing the role.

 

[Yavin4MFC]

They already have a title. Publisher. It's odd that such smart people participating in this thread keep grasping for the obvious term while describing the role.

Would you consider a photographer like Holly Randall to be a sex worker?

 

[AmberCutie]

They already have a title. Publisher. It's odd that such smart people participating in this thread keep grasping for the obvious term while describing the role.

Adult Entertainment Publisher.

I feel that a sex worker has to actually sell their OWN sexuality and own sexual image to be a sex worker.

 

[Yavin4MFC]

Adult Entertainment Publisher.

I feel that a sex worker has to actually sell their OWN sexuality and own sexual image to be a sex worker.

That's a really good definition/distinction!!

 

[Teagan]

I would say they are in the sex industry, but they are not a sex worker. I agree with Amber, if you are not selling yourself personally, then you are not the actual sex worker. This would include magazine owners, website owners, pimps, videographers, photographers, and the like. You're in the industry, but you're not an actual sex worker. You do face some stigma even, but you do not face it anywhere near as much as the actual people doing the actual work.

 

[JickyJuly]

They already have a title. Publisher. It's odd that such smart people participating in this thread keep grasping for the obvious term while describing the role.

To be fair, "sex worker" was initially only meant as a positive title for full service folks. It was snapped up and used as a bigger umbrella under which we all have other titles that could apply. It's a stolen term already. If a stripper, domme and camgirl can use the term by choice, someone like Larry Flynt might as well. His name is farther out there and connected with pornography deeper than most of us even without his naked butt. If I said "Larry Flynt" to my 80 year old grandmother, she'd roll her eyes. He's steeped in sex work stigma nude or not.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Adult Entertainment Publisher.

I feel that a sex worker has to actually sell their OWN sexuality and own sexual image to be a sex worker.

Or producer.

And yeah, This is how I feel about it too.
There is a stigma for publishers/behind camera producers but it’s different

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

If you aren't doing the sexy work yourself, I don't think you are a sexworker. Yes, you will still feel the stigma against sexwork if you work in the industry in any capacity, but not in the same way or at the same level that someone who is the face of the actual content does. Men idolized Hugh Hefner while still denigrating the women who pose for his publication.

 

[JickyJuly]

I'm not sure men idolized Hugh Hefner or respected him more than any other dude in pornography land. Men in porn face less stigma than women anyway so it's not easy to compare Hef vs. the women in his mags. I think it's fair to say that his business dealings weren't celebrated by the mainstream like they could have been if tits weren't involved. Still, men are given more room to be honest about daydreaming a bit sexually. So, it's easier for them to say socially "That Hef has the life!" or whatever. But, really he was treated as a joke especially as he aged. Plenty of women who push the stigma onto us probably feel that sex workers have the life. There are so many women who say shit like "I'd be a stripper except I have morals" or that sort of thing. To me, that is the girl version of saying we're living it up. They just have to put that caveat on the end to prove that they'd never actually be us in order to feel socially accepted.

 

[AmberCutie]

To be fair, "sex worker" was initially only meant as a positive title for full service folks.

And I think it was already stretched super thin to cover all of us in non-contact adult entertainment, so to extend it to the publishers/producers/promoters of it is too far.

 

[JickyJuly]

And I think it was already stretched super thin to cover all of us in non-contact adult entertainment, so to extend it to the publishers/producers/promoters of it is too far.

I agree it's been stretched. To me, probably too far already and taken away from those who it actually belongs to. I guess my thought was that it might as well just include everyone the stigma touches then. I don't feel like I have a right really to say anyone in pornography can't be considered a sex worker because just including those in porn pushes it past its initial intention? It makes sense for some of you to try to mitigate the stretching of the term though too. It would be interesting to get a full service worker's take on all of it. Seems like the good intentions of political correctness make terms obsolete pretty quickly. That might be the case with sex worker.

 

[Gen]

But, really he was treated as a joke especially as he aged

Tbh I think this was more because he kept dating chicks in their 20s and trying to keep up appearances of being a wealthy, successful playboy and less because he was in the sex industry.

 

[JickyJuly]

Tbh I think this was more because he kept dating chicks in their 20s and trying to keep up appearances of being a wealthy, successful playboy and less because he was in the sex industry.

Probably, but it might have hurt his brand not to as well. He was kind of trapped into character. I doubt anyone would have been coming over for parties if there was a 70 year old Mrs. Hefner answering the door. The fact that his job revolved around sex limited how people were willing to see him. Limiting him as a whole person isn't really idolizing or respecting him. Sorry. I'm windbagging. Just interesting to think about how society perceives men in relation to sexy stuff.

 

[AmberCutie]

Seems like the good intentions of political correctness

I think this ideal could be applied to many many things in the current day and age. Labels have become so weird and broad in the last decade, it's almost defeating original purposes of the people who tried to apply them.

 

[heybarkeep]

I'm not sure men idolized Hugh Hefner or respected him more than any other dude in pornography land.

Yeah, while I'm sure some dudes idolized Hef I specifically had to say many in my original post because plenty of dudes always saw him as a clown. His lifestyle just got more and more sad and desperate for all involved the older he got. I don't think he would be thought of as poorly by dudes as male strippers or male pornstars or camboys are but I'm not really sure.

 

[asia_lynn]

It would be interesting to get a full service worker's take on all of it.

I can't speak for all but I personally think anyone who creates sexual content of their own body should be able to consider themself a sexworker if they so wish. Of course FS workers face way more stigma than cam girls for the most part, but as long as the sex workers who are not full service recognize that, I think a lot can be gained from the solidarity that comes with sharing the title.

 

[JickyJuly]

If sex worker was coined to do away with prostitute or other negatively lit words, I'm not sure what full service workers gain from allowing the rest of us to share it really. The same camgirls who know the word sex worker will buy in the hierarchy and yap about "at least I'm not a prostitute". Doesn't seem to be working out in favor of the full service people.

 

[Fatquack]

I don't care whether you call Larry Flynt a sex worker or not, without his tenacity in court the adult entertainment world would be a different place.
His thanks was a bullet and a wheelchair.
I consider him a hero.

 

[asia_lynn]

If sex worker was coined to do away with prostitute or other negatively lit words, I'm not sure what full service workers gain from allowing the rest of us to share it really. The same camgirls who know the word sex worker will buy in the hierarchy and yap about "at least I'm not a prostitute". Doesn't seem to be working out in favor of the full service people.

The opinion of a full service worker was looked for and since I am one, I gave mine. I can't speak for others.

It does feel a little frustrating to come in and answer your question for you and then be told I'm wrong. I just explained that I gain a solidarity from the shared usage.

I've never seen a cam girl say '''at least I'm not a prostitute" and have her feelings respected in any way. There's always ignorant assholes. You even get indoor workers who say "at least I'm not a street hooker" it's always gonna be an issue with some people no matter what terminology you use.

 

[JickyJuly]

It does feel a little frustrating to come in and answer your question for you and then be told I'm wrong. I just explained that I gain a solidarity from the shared usage.

I didn't say you were wrong. I said I disagreed. If you're not trying to speak for everyone, my disagreeing shouldn't be a problem. I said it would be interesting to hear a full service worker's opinion. I didn't solicit you personally to disagree with you. Doubtful that yours is the only full service opinion floating around the thread. Plenty of camgirls subscribe to the thought that they are better than prostitutes, strippers, other camgirls who work differently and are celebrated for it. Not here, but we're a pretty different group. For some of them, it's their whole money maker. If you haven't come across them, you've been very fortunate or smart in your social media friending choices.