Tonight is my first library show

Please be careful, and consider having at least one friend around if you do that.

iKarli said:

And I am super nervous! I just don't know if there are surveillance cameras (or if they will be hidden) at the library I plan on going to. O.O;

Anybody that watches/does library shows that can give me some words of encouragement? ray:

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Have fun and don't get caught.

If you're worried of surveillance, have you scouted the area thoroughly before going through with this show, and possible best spots that would not be within line of sight of any security cams and very little library traffic??

And best of luck to you and have fun

iKarli said:

And I am super nervous! I just don't know if there are surveillance cameras (or if they will be hidden) at the library I plan on going to. O.O;

Anybody that watches/does library shows that can give me some words of encouragement? ray:

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Is it possible for you to do a quick walk through before you log on so that you can get an idea of where the most private areas are, security cams, etc.? The last thing you want is an angry librarian chasing you out of the library, haha! Good luck!

edit: mutant beat me to it!

The guys in the surveillance area only care if you're stealing books. I've done shows right in front of the cameras and no one has said anything. Oh and keep a sort of button down shirt on or nearby to quickly cover up if you need to. Don't do it where a lot of children are gonna be either. People in the library usually don't take notice so you should be fine. Don't do it in the same library repeatedly. Have fun :*

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

GenXoxo said:

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

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Going to a public library to broadcast a show on a porn site is pretty classless and disrespectful. People have different opinions on what qualifies as classless and disrespectful I guess.

PunkInDrublic said:

GenXoxo said:

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

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Going to a public library to broadcast a show on a porn site is pretty classless and disrespectful. People have different opinions on what qualifies as classless and disrespectful I guess.

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I've seen full nude and masturbation in library shows, to answer your question Gen. And I'm with Punk on this. I find it a bit creepy, overall, and it really baffles me how libraries, specifically, have gained such a mimetic hold that it has become a sub-class of public cam shows. I understand the appeal of good wifi and the ability to loiter in quiet corners to a performer, but I simply don't get the apparent appeal from the side of the viewers.

zippypinhead said:

PunkInDrublic said:

GenXoxo said:

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

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Going to a public library to broadcast a show on a porn site is pretty classless and disrespectful. People have different opinions on what qualifies as classless and disrespectful I guess.

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I've seen full nude and masturbation in library shows, to answer your question Gen. And I'm with Punk on this. I find it a bit creepy, overall, and it really baffles me how libraries, specifically, have gained such a mimetic hold that it has become a sub-class of public cam shows. I understand the appeal of good wifi and the ability to loiter in quiet corners to a performer, but I simply don't get the apparent appeal from the side of the viewers.

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Many of the guys get off on the idea of the girls being in public. I cammed from my front porch once and I had a packed room. I think it depends on the TYPE of show determining whether or not it's classless and disrespectful though. Fully nude masturbation shows might be a little disrespectful, especially depending on the library (public library vs uni* library) but silly little "500 tokens till I take my cardigan off! HT gets my newest video" type shows don't seem classless or disrespectful to me.

*I say uni might be a little less disrespectful because at my uni it wasn't terribly uncommon for students to hook up in the stacks.

Time and place, I guess. A rowdy, lively pub (adults only) seems acceptable. A quiet, studious library not so much, although I appreciate it depends on the library. All pubic libraries here in the UK block porn sites.

I once watched a model camming in a shopping mall...so many people and children in the background, it was constant. The guys in her room tore her apart for it. So while viewers do love a public show they can be be very judgemental.

iKarli, good luck and ENJOY!

iKarli said:

Can you imagine walking into a cubicle and seeing a random naked chick sitting there? I'd probably jump lol.

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Imagination engaged. I've decided I'd be okay with a surprise like that.

Mfc is not a porn site. It's adult oriented yes, but I personally wouldn't consider it a porn site.
It's a camming site where every model can broadcast and do various things. (Sexual and non sexual)
If you go on the mfc wiki it talks about this.

Talking about library shows and nudity. Personally I do them quite a bit because I'm an adrenaline junkie. My rule is that I will never show or do anything that is illegal. I will never get nude and masturbate in a library because going to jail does not sound appealing to me. And it's not my thing either way.

I however do funny goofy things like dancing around. I wear multiple layers of clothes and take them off. I still stay fully covered the whole time and ppl know it.

If someone gets offended by my happy dancing, undoing buttons or taking my coat off I don't know what to say anymore.

I understand library shows are taken too far sometimes. But then again many student have had sex in public places before. I don't know the percentage of ppl that do that stuff but I would assume it's pretty high. Exhibitionism is normal. Some people are into it more than others but there are far more offensive and evil things in this world than that.

zippypinhead said:

PunkInDrublic said:

GenXoxo said:

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

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Going to a public library to broadcast a show on a porn site is pretty classless and disrespectful. People have different opinions on what qualifies as classless and disrespectful I guess.

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I've seen full nude and masturbation in library shows, to answer your question Gen. And I'm with Punk on this. I find it a bit creepy, overall, and it really baffles me how libraries, specifically, have gained such a mimetic hold that it has become a sub-class of public cam shows. I understand the appeal of good wifi and the ability to loiter in quiet corners to a performer, but I simply don't get the apparent appeal from the side of the viewers.

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Nude and masturbation in a library!? Damn. Like I said, I've only ever seen the very soft-core, hang out shows. I don't think that broadcasting on MFC is in itself disrespectful, if you're not doing anything "porn-y" but I wouldn't be crazy about finding a masturbating person in the library stacks.

More importantly I want to know where libraries are empty enough to do this! I can barely find a seat in mine, lol.

I find the use of the word 'classless' as ironic. The conservative minded may generally believe jerking off while naked on cam (regardless if in the library or at home), and onlookers perving and encouraging these acts, would all be considered lacking of self-morals to begin with, hence classless. Yet here we all are. It's all relative.

Go to the microfiche area...NO one goes there anymore!

I've seen some library shows that I quite enjoyed. The ones I liked were all in university libraries, not public libraries. So there shouldn't be any children around at least, and most university libraries have plenty of deserted sections where there's nobody around most of the time. There is always the worry that a model might get caught, of course, (which certainly adds some excitement) but the ones who do it right find parts of the library where it's unlikely.

PunkInDrublic said:

GenXoxo said:

PunkInDrublic said:

These types of shows are always so wildly disrespectful and classless. Is it really worth the risk? You might gain some fans but you will also turn off some members. Try to have some respect for others there and be sure you don't show anyone on cam.

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I've only seen a few but they seemed to be girls taking off layers (usually down to a tank top, with or without bra) and giggling silently. I've also rarely seen other people on cam with them. Is that what you mean, or are there more risqué ones that I'm missing? I always thought they were kind of cute; certainly flashing some cleavage or even a nipple when you're sure nobody's around doesn't seem disrespectful or classless to me.

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Going to a public library to broadcast a show on a porn site is pretty classless and disrespectful. People have different opinions on what qualifies as classless and disrespectful I guess.

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Wow. I don't usually get riled up about things on the forum, but this is some bullshit. Good to know that to some people, taking off items of clothing, doing silly dances, and flashing the camera while at a university library is "classless and disrespectful," whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day. I'm not judging those girls or what they do, mind you- my point is that you've got some really weird standards for "classy." :? It's one thing to say you don't like them or that you think they're gimmicky or not sexy to you, but categorically judging their "classiness" on a site like MFC? Seriously?

I've only ever done 2 beautiful agony shows and 1 Hitachi show in free chat, but the fact that I broadcast from a library makes me "classless"? I choose not to do super explicit shows in free chat, but I'm not a non-nude/tease model, which means that bringing in high room counts is often difficult. Camming from the library helps with that- it allows me to get out of the house and be somewhere interesting, and forces me to think of unique and creative things I can do other than just take off clothing. I cam from a university library whose layout I am VERY familiar with, a library that's got 10+ floors with lots of hidden/unused areas. I place myself somewhere where there is no jeopardy of someone walking by and seeing me, and I find positions and angles that give me the flexibility to show what I want to show without revealing too much or getting me into trouble, and I keep other people off camera. I take off as many layers as possible while still being able to cover up in necessary (a button-down sweater with nothing underneath and a skirt, for instance). It's not hardly as bad as the kids who fuck in the stacks or do the end of semester challenge to sneak alcohol in and do a shot on every floor...

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If at any given time you can log on to the MFC homepage and see at least 1 girl doing it, it loses its luster.

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Really? Library shows are appealing to those with exhibitionist tendencies, adrenaline junkies, people with professor/student fantasies, and people who just want to see something other than a textbook cumshow. People have been saying that they'd go out of style for a couple years now. But I see lots of girls doing cooking shows, stripteases, shower shows, bath shows, Girl/Girl shows- arguably just as "gimmicky," but they don't seem to have lost their luster. There's a niche for everything. Most girls aren't willing to do things in public- or aren't interested in it. I don't think it's very kind to be so dismissive of those who do.

LilahMorrigan said:

AmberCutie said:

If at any given time you can log on to the MFC homepage and see at least 1 girl doing it, it loses its luster.

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Really? Library shows are appealing to those with exhibitionist tendencies, adrenaline junkies, people with professor/student fantasies, and people who just want to see something other than a textbook cumshow. People have been saying that they'd go out of style for a couple years now. But I see lots of girls doing cooking shows, stripteases, shower shows, bath shows, Girl/Girl shows- arguably just as "gimmicky," but they don't seem to have lost their luster. There's a niche for everything. Most girls aren't willing to do things in public- or aren't interested in it. I don't think it's very kind to be so dismissive of those who do.

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I think that there has been mention on the forums of how public shows (as in out in public places) in general used to be HUGELY successful and considered really crazy and out there. They would bring in lots of viewers and tokens and not as many girls did them. Then over time more and more girls started doing public shows as they realized how successful they were and those tokens and viewers get spread out over way more people as more girls started doing them. As they became more common, I think it might have taken some of the thrill from some viewers as well. That doesn't mean they aren't still super successful and popular, many people love them! BUT I think that public shows are an ever-changing thing.

As models branched out to start doing different "types" of public shows (car shows, coffee shop shows, library shows, etc) , each new thing was exciting and maybe done by just a few girls before becoming kind of "normal" on MFC in general. I think there will likely always be some new fad, especially in the realm of public shows.

I think that what Amber is saying (and what I've heard from models on the forum), is that Library shows were once perceived as more shocking, new, and exciting and only a small group did them at first (like any thing) so they were a much bigger deal and probably more profitable as well! Now, Library shows have become pretty normal seeming and you can see at least one probably every day on MFC (probably more, I think). Though these shows might still be successful, fun, and thrilling they are perhaps less of a big deal than they were when they first started.

That doesn't mean you and every model who does them can't still enjoy them though! And members who want to see it and like it will show you by being there and tipping you when you do them. Camming is ALWAYS changing and there are times when certain things are in the spotlight. Just because something isn't the "big new thing" anymore, doesn't mean it can't still be successful. I don't think that Amber was being dismissive, but I think that she is aware of the ebbs and flows of MFC and was mainly commenting on that. (Forgive me if I misinterpreted you Amber, not trying to put words in your mouth!) Knowing the trends can be a big part of our business, so I think it's important to keep an eye on these sorts of things, whether we take part in them or not.

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LilahMorrigan said:

Wow. I don't usually get riled up about things on the forum, but this is some bullshit. Good to know that to some people, taking off items of clothing, doing silly dances, and flashing the camera while at a university library is "classless and disrespectful," whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day.

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Doing things that are not quite (yet) acceptable in society (such as getting naked and touching their genitals) in a public area can definitely be disrespectful. Not to themselves, but to the people around, and to the people who operate the public spaces in which they're being done. Girls can do wild and sexual things to themselves all day and night in their own dwellings. That's quite different.

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Plus it's not hygienic... I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled to find random splooge on a book that I wanted to check out. :?

Kickaz said:

Mfc is not a porn site. It's adult oriented yes, but I personally wouldn't consider it a porn site.

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lol

LilahMorrigan said:

whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day.

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This is still way more classy than going to a public place. At least they have the decency and maturity to respect others and keep that shit private.

Library shows seem like a monkey see monkey do type situation. Model A did it and made money from it so every other model does the same thing. Some models are willing to do anything for money I guess.

Hmm... i really had to rethink this one with all the posts. It's really a gray area topic which many of us will hafta settle with an agree-to-disagree

At the end of the day, i'm perfectly okay with the public college library show from a moralistic standpoint, although i've never indulged in one myself. In the spirit of specific public spaces, a college library would be much more acceptable than say, a church. I also tend to define 'disrespect in public' as an individual's actions that negatively affects the strangers around him/her, whether it be loud & obnoxious behavior, leaving a mess or vandalism, using constant foul language, and in the context of camming; the unsuspecting/innocent bystander as Amber mentioned or hygiene matter as Rose mentioned, among other examples. But in essence, if a model is able to contain her show where no other strangers are negatively affected by her actions, then i don't see the disrespect in that regard.

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PunkInDrublic said:

Model A did it and made money from it so every other model does the same thing. Some models are willing to do anything for money I guess.

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mutantdonut said:

a church

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I think it's only a matter of time before this happens.

Anyway, the OP made clear she's not doing, or planning to do cum shows in the library. Just a little nudge-nudge, wink-wink like Kickaz does. The thing with Kick's shows is that it's not about getting naked, but about how much fun she has engaging her room and reacting to her environment. Also, she's super cute and has an awesome smile. Personally, I find her shows more enjoyable when she's at home and is more talky, but there's definitely nothing pornographic about her library shows.

Sevrin said:

mutantdonut said:

a church

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I think it's only a matter of time before this happens.

Anyway, the OP made clear she's not doing, or planning to do cum shows in the library. Just a little nudge-nudge, wink-wink like Kickaz does. The thing with Kick's shows is that it's not about getting naked, but about how much fun she has engaging her room and reacting to her environment. Also, she's super cute and has an awesome smile. Personally, I find her shows more enjoyable when she's at home and is more talky, but there's definitely nothing pornographic about her library shows.

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The church one has already been done, on Christmas Eve no less. ray:

LilahMorrigan said:

Wow. I don't usually get riled up about things on the forum, but this is some bullshit. Good to know that to some people, taking off items of clothing, doing silly dances, and flashing the camera while at a university library is "classless and disrespectful," whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day. I'm not judging those girls or what they do, mind you- my point is that you've got some really weird standards for "classy."

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Actually you are judging them and letting us know what you think is classy or not. Can't make a statement like that then go with the "just saying" card to try and make it not judgmental. As Amber pointed out, there is a big difference between the two. One is in public where anyone could see the other is in private and being viewed by those who agreed to it.

It is really simple. Even if someone doesn't have a problem with random public nudity, other people do. What is acceptable in public stops when it encroaches on other peoples rights. Somehow, I doubt the people doing public shows would be ok or happy with the stereotypical perv in the trench coat flashing them or jerking off in front of them, so why do they think it is fine for them to do?

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The church one has already been done, on Christmas Eve no less. ray:

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Midnight massturbation? Makes sense.

Just Me said:

Sevrin said:

mutantdonut said:

a church

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I think it's only a matter of time before this happens.

Anyway, the OP made clear she's not doing, or planning to do cum shows in the library. Just a little nudge-nudge, wink-wink like Kickaz does. The thing with Kick's shows is that it's not about getting naked, but about how much fun she has engaging her room and reacting to her environment. Also, she's super cute and has an awesome smile. Personally, I find her shows more enjoyable when she's at home and is more talky, but there's definitely nothing pornographic about her library shows.

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The church one has already been done, on Christmas Eve no less. ray:

LilahMorrigan said:

Wow. I don't usually get riled up about things on the forum, but this is some bullshit. Good to know that to some people, taking off items of clothing, doing silly dances, and flashing the camera while at a university library is "classless and disrespectful," whilst half the girls on MFC shove giant toys in various orifices several times a day. I'm not judging those girls or what they do, mind you- my point is that you've got some really weird standards for "classy."

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Actually you are judging them and letting us know what you think is classy or not. Can't make a statement like that then go with the "just saying" card to try and make it not judgmental. As Amber pointed out, there is a big difference between the two. One is in public where anyone could see the other is in private and being viewed by those who agreed to it.

It is really simple. Even if someone doesn't have a problem with random public nudity, other people do. What is acceptable in public stops when it encroaches on other peoples rights. Somehow, I doubt the people doing public shows would be ok or happy with the stereotypical perv in the trench coat flashing them or jerking off in front of them, so why do they think it is fine for them to do?

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No, I'm pointing out an entirely arbitrary and useless double standard and a whole lotta slut-shaming bullshit. My example, I think, is the traditionally stigmatized "trashy" type of behavior vilified by many- I know because I've seen a lot of hate surrounding it. It's not coming from personal judgment. Also, I understand Amber's point about the involvement of non-consenting bystanders or people in the background. But it's not like every girl who does a library show involves unwilling participants or even has a significant chance of exposing herself to a member of the public. I know that when I'm in the library, I can hear people coming from a mile away, and position myself to NEVER be seen. I maintain control. I never show other people, and THAT aspect of respect is important to me. It's why I've never done the pizza guy thing.

Plus it's not hygienic... I'm not sure about you, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled to find random splooge on a book that I wanted to check out.

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I don't know what library shows you've been watching, but I don't know anybody who regularly bodily fluids on library property... like, even a chair, let alone a book. Come on.

Some models are willing to do anything for money I guess.

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Are you FUCKING kidding me...?

Do not answer that. That is a rhetorical question. But Jesus Christ man, that's a problematic attitude right there.