What should a private-show budget calculator explain?

[DesireMetric]

A token rate alone doesn't tell a visitor what they need to spend. Package sizes, minimum session lengths and optional extras can change the calculation.

I run DesireMetric and have built a free calculator that uses dated pricing samples and shows its limitations. It doesn't recommend individual models or promise that an observed rate is available today.

DesireMetric budget calculator

I'd appreciate feedback on whether the calculation is understandable and which conditions visitors commonly overlook.

Disclosure: I own the site, and some platform links are affiliate links.

 

[Vixxen81]

I think it's great on its face, not really sure anyone is going to deep dive a budget like that when the boner is leading the charge. Interested in others thoughts.

 

[Maxi]

Yeah, it’s interesting but I can work it out in my head while I’m in the room.

 

[AmberCutie]

PSA to ACFers - I approved this post.

I actually think the concept is helpful.

Don't love the affiliate links, but it is what it is.

 

[smoker919]

A token rate alone doesn't tell a visitor what they need to spend. Package sizes, minimum session lengths and optional extras can change the calculation.

I run DesireMetric and have built a free calculator that uses dated pricing samples and shows its limitations. It doesn't recommend individual models or promise that an observed rate is available today.

DesireMetric budget calculator

I'd appreciate feedback on whether the calculation is understandable and which conditions visitors commonly overlook.

Disclosure: I own the site, and some platform links are affiliate links.

The best thing anyone wanting to do a private show can do is cough up the model's requested PM price and have a conversation about it before starting the show. Once you have that conversation, it should be easy enough to figure out how many tokens you need.

 

[Vixxen81]

My private per minute rate is relatively high compared to most models offering privates and I require tips on top of that if they want me to actually do anything in the private show. In my eyes the per minute rate is the price to take the model out of the main pool because going private kills a room like nothing else on earth and takes forever to rebuild a viewership afterwards.

 

[NotYou]

The best thing anyone wanting to do a private show can do is cough up the model's requested PM price and have a conversation about it before starting the show. Once you have that conversation, it should be easy enough to figure out how many tokens you need.

Yeah exactly. I honestly must be missing something for this site because I don't understand how difficult it is to quickly calculate how many tokens you need for a model minimum or how many minutes you will get with her at that rate based on how many tokens you can afford. And like you say, for extras, you talk to the model in advance. To me, this site seems like a whole unnecessary "20 extra steps".

But hey, I guess if others find it useful then so be it, but it's definitely not something I am in need of.

 

[Squinkle]

It's a cool idea, but I would never suggest that my viewers use it. It adds logic into the mix, which is likely to reduce a model's overall earnings.
Like vixxen suggested, I let the boner lead the charge. Boners shouldn't fuss about token budgets.

 

[misterical]

This tool is surely clever, at least technically.

Where I think it falls over is the assumption that users approach masturbation in terms of "I have $50 and just need someone, anyone to have a wank to". Porn fills that gap and it is widely available for free.

I'm pretty certain that most users make decisions based on the model they are viewing at the time and what is happening in her show. I can't actually imagine anything more depressing than searching for "$50 worth".

 

[misterical]

This follows on as part of a recurring theme in here where people arrive out of the blue and say they've built a tool and ask for our opinion on it. Sadly, a lot of the time, the tool doesn't really do what the people here would want it to do or does it very badly. The better plan would be to come here with an idea and a notepad and do some research with users and models to find out whether the thing you want to build is even wanted by the people you hope will use it.

 

[AmberCutie]

This follows on as part of a recurring theme in here where people arrive out of the blue and say they've built a tool and ask for our opinion on it. Sadly, a lot of the time, the tool doesn't really do what the people here would want it to do or does it very badly. The better plan would be to come here with an idea and a notepad and do some research with users and models to find out whether the thing you want to build is even wanted by the people you hope will use it.

I think the problem with this one is that it's not aimed at the type of cam site user that's here at ACF.

It's clearly made for those who are new to the concept, especially since there are affiliate/referral links which obviously only work for newcomers.

So it's unlikely @DesireMetric will get any useful feedback here.

 

[MeAbc]

My private per minute rate is relatively high compared to most models offering privates and I require tips on top of that if they want me to actually do anything in the private show. In my eyes the per minute rate is the price to take the model out of the main pool because going private kills a room like nothing else on earth and takes forever to rebuild a viewership afterwards.

I agree that having a high priced private show helps compensate for the public loss of viewers. Also we are worth more than we are tipped. However I do not agree with charging for tips on a pvt show that is already charging per minute. That's not fair to the viewers.

The tips are only worth 5 cents each on SC. 100 tks is only $5.00 that goes to the models. Viewers sometimes think just because they see hundreds or even 1000's is allot but it just appears to be allot. I think the token amount should be worth more so we dont have to show those high numbers on the screen. Viewers also complain they are spending $10 on us when they tip 100tks but us models only get paid half of what viewers acually send us. I think one token should be worth $$1.00 instead of 5 cents. Or could be worth $ 5.00 for one. It is a trick of the mind. Viewrs will think its much cheaper because they see lower numbers on the tip menu's and the private shows.

 

[Vixxen81]

I agree that having a high priced private show helps compensate for the public loss of viewers. Also we are worth more than we are tipped. However I do not agree with charging for tips on a pvt show that is already charging per minute. That's not fair to the viewers.

The tips are only worth 5 cents each on SC. 100 tks is only $5.00 that goes to the models. Viewers sometimes think just because they see hundreds or even 1000's is allot but it just appears to be allot. I think the token amount should be worth more so we dont have to show those high numbers on the screen. Viewers also complain they are spending $10 on us when they tip 100tks but us models only get paid half of what viewers acually send us. I think one token should be worth $$1.00 instead of 5 cents. Or could be worth $ 5.00 for one. It is a trick of the mind. Viewrs will think its much cheaper because they see lower numbers on the tip menu's and the private shows.

You run your room the way you want and I run mine the way I want.

 

[ts_cammer98]

I agree that having a high priced private show helps compensate for the public loss of viewers. Also we are worth more than we are tipped. However I do not agree with charging for tips on a pvt show that is already charging per minute. That's not fair to the viewers.

The tips are only worth 5 cents each on SC. 100 tks is only $5.00 that goes to the models. Viewers sometimes think just because they see hundreds or even 1000's is allot but it just appears to be allot. I think the token amount should be worth more so we dont have to show those high numbers on the screen. Viewers also complain they are spending $10 on us when they tip 100tks but us models only get paid half of what viewers acually send us. I think one token should be worth $$1.00 instead of 5 cents. Or could be worth $ 5.00 for one. It is a trick of the mind. Viewrs will think its much cheaper because they see lower numbers on the tip menu's and the private shows.

Charging for anything in a pvt show is nothing uncommon. Girl, you gotta get that money!

 

[Vixxen81]

Charging for anything in a pvt show is nothing uncommon. Girl, you gotta get that money!

Seriously.

 

[Squinkle]

However I do not agree with charging for tips on a pvt show that is already charging per minute. That's not fair to the viewers.

In that case, SC would need to allow me to charge more per minute.

On CB, I charge 480/min for a private show. Everything is included, no additional tips required.
On Stripchat, exclusive shows cap at 250/min. That's nearly half of what I charge on CB per minute. If they want all menu items free of charge, I require a tip of 999 to start the private show. Otherwise, they need to tip for the menu items. I let them know before we begin. Most of them opt to tip 999 first.

But I wish I had the option to raise my per minute rate on SC. That would really simplify things.

 

[MeAbc]

You run your room the way you want and I run mine the way I want.

I'm only trying to help. You dont have to be so rude!

 

[MeAbc]

Charging for anything in a pvt show is nothing uncommon. Girl, you gotta get that money!

I understand but they are already charged by the minute and that definately helps rack up the change. but I refuse to charge extra in private because viewers already think we are gold diggers. I refuse to be labled a gold digger. Thats not me. I just need enough to support financially. Besides, you can raise the private show higher. I think up to 500 per minute. Thats enough to rack it up but I noticed less viewers will take you private and think its too expensive. I have lost viewers because the cost was too high. I'm not sure though about the max amount as 500. Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[Vixxen81]

I'm only trying to help. You dont have to be so rude!

There is nothing in your post that is helpful and my comment was not rude. Have a great day!

 

[ts_cammer98]

I understand but they are already charged by the minute and that definately helps rack up the change. but I refuse to charge extra in private because viewers already think we are gold diggers. I refuse to be labled a gold digger. Thats not me. I just need enough to support financially.

 

[MeAbc]

Just because I disagree with a post doesnt mean everyone needs to single target me!

 

[MeAbc]

Amber! GO AHEAD AND KICK ME OFF I DONT GIVE A FUCK! I DOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS FORUM ANYMORE!!

 

[Maxi]

Just because I disagree with a post doesnt mean everyone needs to single target me!

Some friendly advice: you don’t need to opine on every single comment or post with an opinion. If you have something useful or pragmatic to say that’s worthwhile to the OP or anyone else reading then that’s great.

Also - use a spellchecker before commenting because other members might take your comments more seriously

 

[Vixxen81]

Just because I disagree with a post doesnt mean everyone needs to single target me!

You targeted me with a pointed response about how you disagree with how I run my room on a completely different site.

 

[Squinkle]

I refuse to be labled a gold digger.

I'm working for money, not so I can look like a sweet and loving housewife.

I am exchanging tips for sexual actions. So are you. We ARE 'gold diggers'. I'm perfectly ok with being called one, as long as they pay me well.

I'm not in a relationship with these guys. I'm doing my job. The customers are fully aware that I'm here for the money.

 

[MeAbc]

Why is a majority of people in this forum so rude? I have noticed this with others as well. Why cant we be civilized mature adults and resolve issues like adults not children! Is it because of how AmberCutie introduces her forum as" Who the fuck are you? " That strongly suggest that if the owner is rude that the members will also be rude and usually follow the forum owner's behavior.

 

[Squinkle]

Amber! GO AHEAD AND KICK ME OFF I DONT GIVE A FUCK! I DOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS FORUM ANYMORE!!

I hate to state the obvious here, but on the internet, you can always remove yourself from a situation that you don't want to be in.
In this case, ceasing to comment or check this forum would solve your problem.

Tbh I don't see anyone being rude to you, they are simply stating opinions that don't agree with yours...And that seems to upset you.

 

[Maxi]

Why is a majority of people in this forum so rude? I have noticed this with others as well. Why cant we be civilized mature adults and resolve issues like adults not children! Is it because of how AmberCutie introduces her forum as" Who the fuck are you? " That strongly suggest that if the owner is rude that the members will also be rude and usually follow the forum owner's behavior.

People here don’t suffer fools, but that’s not to say members aren’t welcoming or rude. I’ve been a member of this forum for four years and wouldn’t have stayed if that was the case.

Insulting the forum owner isn’t a good move, ngl.

 

[AmberCutie]

Amber! GO AHEAD AND KICK ME OFF I DONT GIVE A FUCK! I DOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS FORUM ANYMORE!!

I've been quite patient with you during your time here, as have the SC reps who have had to correct and scold you for overstepping multiple times. Now you've turned to reporting replies to your posts instead of just muting posters that you find rude or annoying (as many have done for your account.)

I do believe it is time for you to go.

 

[AmberCutie]

So it's unlikely @DesireMetric will get any useful feedback here.

Especially now, I believe this is the case. Locking this to avoid further derailment