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  1. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    And there are non-nude cam girls who top MFC, there are some who end up dating regulars, and some who marry them, as Miss_Lollipop told you. Some reveal more about themselves, some less. Some scam and manipulate, some don't. It's a big world, full of variety. I just don't like seeing people...
  2. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    There being a bunch of Streamate girls here probably explains some of the conflict. MFC is a whole different animal. And the fact that several have completely misunderstood what I said about names means they probably also have poor reading comprehension.
  3. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    Yeah, that's exactly the conclusion you should draw from what I said. Check the OP. It's not about me.
  4. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    :joyful:
  5. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    This is the disagreement. I'm saying it is all real life. The people are real, the money is real. And pretending it's not real life justifies scammers. Anonymity, privacy and boundaries are not the same thing as fantasy and lying.
  6. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    You all are obsessed with that idea, and it's not actually what I'm talking about. Although I could name multiple cam girls who have hooked up with regulars, but I won't. Whether the cam girl wants things to go offline or not, she shouldn't lie about it to get a guy's money. Being polite, faking...
  7. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    It is complicated by the fact, confirmed by other posts here, that things can and do go offline. And there's nothing wrong with that. But that's why the best policy is honesty on all sides. A recognition that everyone involved is a real human being, and deserves to be treated with a baseline...
  8. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    He apparently came to that realization after some models (especially the Romanian one) lied to him, and told him they were interested in him offline, when they weren't. I hope you don't think that's ok. Maybe it's just semantics at this point. A "fantasy" is something imaginary, that's not...
  9. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    It's impossible to respond to every post, because they're all over the map. My point was simple. That is, that being a cam girl should not be viewed as a blank check for lying to guys and manipulating them to get their money. Pretending to be in a good mood when you aren't isn't "fantasy", or a...
  10. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    He screams "sucker". But if the cam girls in question did what he said, they're not blameless. And all of the posts suggesting guys should expect that kind of behavior from cam girls is what I was criticizing.
  11. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    Yes. He didn't understand what was being talked about.
  12. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    He acted like I was wrong, and your posts confirmed everything I said.
  13. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    Maybe we're talking about two different things. I'll try to make it clear. As I said above - if the guy tips for it, it's part of the job. Which means she's doing something she otherwise wouldn't do. That's not the same thing as a fantasy. There are sexual fantasies that get role-played, and...
  14. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    To clarify - it's always been the case that cam girls are seen as con artists taking advantage of gullible guys. And then some guys who are not gullible, or used to be, turn into malicious trolls who ruin your day, or worse. It doesn't have to be that way, but unfortunately that is common. But...
  15. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    And the white knight gets stomped by reality.
  16. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    What you're describing isn't a fantasy. Like I said, I think it's widespread that cam girls feel like they have some kind of license to mislead and manipulate members because it's "not real". There are real people on both sides. There may be fantasy involved in some part of what goes on, but the...
  17. J

    I stopped tipping camgirls to save money, now they are getting desperate!

    Predictable replies. But the excuse that it's all "fantasy" and "not real" doesn't fly. If you want that, you sell videos. Camming is interactive. Meaning real people talking to each other in real time. It's never going to be the same as a TV show, and trashing members for not seeing it that way...
  18. J

    Dating and support

    A convenience. The real life equivalent of a tipper in her room. She's learned that's how to treat guys, so she does it offline, too. Stop giving her money. Then see what happens.
  19. J

    Cam Models That Are Rude

    If models find that being cranky, entitled and narcissistic works for them, they should keep doing it. Good luck.
  20. J

    Cam Models That Are Rude

    It's not irrelevant. I know if I was a cam girl, I would view those things as part of the job. But the relevance here is that there are plenty of models who look good, but act badly.
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