Woman, 39, accused of breaking into house and raping man

[Bocefish]

Some guys have all the luck, lol

A woman was today ordered to stand trial in Australia, accused of breaking into a man’s home and raping him.
Rebecca Helen Elder, 39, pleaded not guilty to one count of aggravated serious criminal trespass at the man’s home, and one count of rape.

She appeared in Adelaide’s District Court this morning.

At trial, prosecutors will allege Elder, of Parkside, broke into a house while its male occupant - who cannot be named - was lawfully on the premises.

They will also say she broke in with the intention of committing a further offence of rape.
Finally, prosecutors will accuse Elder of raping the man by performing an act of oral sex without his consent.
Judge Wayne Chivell remanded Elder on continuing bail until a directions hearing next month.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1pvQGRZtd

 

[Jupiter551]

Ever since, I've been scared of falling asleep...scared of waking up to a blowjob :crybaby:

 

[LadyLuna]

Honestly, it does happen (a woman raping a man). What if he's gay? What if he's trying to stay celibate for whatever reason? It's just as serious when a woman rapes a man as it is when a man rapes a woman. The biggest difference is a woman isn't going to get a man pregnant (but could get herself pregnant, and then what the hell is this man supposed to do? If a woman rapes a man, and gets pregnant for it, is he supposed to help care for the child? I would not want to be the one who decides such things).

note: I apologize if this seems a little weird. I'm sleep-deprived, and am having trouble with coherent thoughts...

 

[Jupiter551]

Yeah you're right, and apart from anything it's an issue of taking control of someone else's body without their consent, and I'm certain she'll be treated more leniently than someone who used violence etc...although it's kind of assumed that rape is by necessity sexual violence...I dunno, it's a weird area. If a woman woke up to find a man sexually molesting her the violence would seem implied even if it wasn't overt, I guess it's the way we percieve things.

 

[Evvie]

Yeah you're right, and apart from anything it's an issue of taking control of someone else's body without their consent, and I'm certain she'll be treated more leniently than someone who used violence etc...although it's kind of assumed that rape is by necessity sexual violence...I dunno, it's a weird area. If a woman woke up to find a man sexually molesting her the violence would seem implied even if it wasn't overt, I guess it's the way we percieve things.

I was raped and it wasn't violent. There are more ways to force a woman to have sex with you than to physically harm her.

I think the argument that 'a woman can't rape a man' is like saying 'men shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on abortion because they can never get pregnant.' It's just another form of sexism borne of ignorance. Men have feelings too.

If someone breaks in to your home and violates you, it's a crime with lasting repercussions. It doesn't matter if he's straight, gay, single, married, trying to be celibate or fucks every night. Making jokes about women taking advantage of men is kind of like saying, "We don't take sexual assault seriously. Tee-hee, that man thinks he has rights! Really, everyone should be okay with rape because they just got laid, right?"

 

[Bocefish]

Maybe it's the way the article was written along with how the woman looks is why I viewed it lightly. If the guy was drugged, tied up and sodomized or otherwise abused it would be different. According to the story, she apparently tried to give him a BJ. As a guy, that just didn't strike me as a horrible crime without knowing the other circumstances involved. I don't take rape of a woman lightly whatsoever and believe it's one of the worst offences a man could ever do to a woman. Didn't intend to minimize the seriousness of rape at all. This particular story just struck me in a somewhat amusing manner. YMMV

 

[KeelyAimee]

Yeah you're right, and apart from anything it's an issue of taking control of someone else's body without their consent, and I'm certain she'll be treated more leniently than someone who used violence etc...although it's kind of assumed that rape is by necessity sexual violence...I dunno, it's a weird area. If a woman woke up to find a man sexually molesting her the violence would seem implied even if it wasn't overt, I guess it's the way we percieve things.

I was raped and it wasn't violent. There are more ways to force a woman to have sex with you than to physically harm her.

I think the argument that 'a woman can't rape a man' is like saying 'men shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on abortion because they can never get pregnant.' It's just another form of sexism borne of ignorance. Men have feelings too.

If someone breaks in to your home and violates you, it's a crime with lasting repercussions. It doesn't matter if he's straight, gay, single, married, trying to be celibate or fucks every night. Making jokes about women taking advantage of men is kind of like saying, "We don't take sexual assault seriously. Tee-hee, that man thinks he has rights! Really, everyone should be okay with rape because they just got laid, right?"

This so much. I agree with everything you've said. I was also raped non-violently, and didn't even come to terms with it for a while, because there's so much wrong with rape culture and I was victim shamed into thinking it was my fault (maybe if I didn't dress that way it wouldn't have happened...blah) ...that's another topic that I could go on and on about. I'm very passionate about it.

Women raping men doesn't happen often as far as we know, I'm sure many men don't want to come forward because of the implications and comments like "some guys have all the luck".

Sigh.Reddit Link IAma Man Who was Raped by a Woman

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

I saw this on the news.

Call me an asshole, but if you whine rape when a woman "tries" to suck your dick, I laugh.

You're a man, if your a gay man, and it horrifies you, punch the bitch in the face, repeatedly.
If you're a straight man, having a blow job forced on you by a woman, and you're horrified I seriously question your sincerity.
If you're a straight man trying to keep your vow of celibacy and have a woman force a blow job on you and you're horrified.... sorry, I have to take a break so I can ROTFLMAO.... at you and your sick obsession with sexlessness.

Like it or don't, men are not like women. A normal man, faced with a free blow job does not mind.
The only reason you'd mind, all things being equal is if the woman was stinking drunk with urine soaked jeans and vomit in her hair. Then ok, most normal sober men will go "WTF get off me..."

Something ain't right with this guy. His mom probably did horrible things to him or to his mind.

Sure men CAN be raped. It happens. One on one with a woman about your own size and al she's doing is trying to suck your dick? Meh, no... you should be ashamed to utter the word "rape" to the world and act as if, you're violated.

If you wake up to the neighbor lady sucking your dick and you have some valid concern like disease or whatever, you tell the bitch to stop and when she doesn't, you punch her in the face a few times and call 911 to report a break in.
And an assault, if you honestly think she could have given you something a pharmacy will be needed to get rid of.

From what I can tell, the woman in question and the guy are about the same size. All that was involved was a blow job attempt. He's quite a pussy to cry rape and want her locked up for it.

I wont apologize for my opinion. If you are in prison and 3 guys hold you down and wreck your anus, it's rape. When a woman shows up in your room in the dead of night and tries to suck your dick..... not rape.
In fact, in my view it is a very rare thing, but not unheard of, for one woman to rape one man. The differences between the sexes just doesn't work that way. If the man has some odd psychological issues that make the very idea horrify him to the point he cries and screams rape I think maybe the guy in question has more of a problem than the woman attempting to suck his cock.

The news didnt say the man was mentally handicapped, or under age. Then I could see a charge of rape.

I know of what I speak, Over the yrs I have, on several occasions had women try to suck my dick when I didn't want them to. Without exception they were either too drunk, known disease ridden skanks, "not my type" or had personality disorders that turned me off to where the idea of fucking them was interesting but not inviting.
Yeah... once or twice or 5 times, I got "raped" while stinking drunk by women who I wouldn't have invited into my pants sober.

I don't remember once ever being so horrified I cried rape to the cops.
I did laugh at myself, or got angry at the women, and very hesitantly told my doctor I'd like a blood test plzkthks.
:icon-cry:

"Rape" never entered my mind. Why? I'm a fucking man. Unless you are 2 women bigger than I am and tie me down and force yourselves on me, I'm not going to consider it "rape".
And if you are 2 or 3 women bigger than I am and tie me down and force yourselves on me, if you make me a sammich and clean my kitchen, I'll try to forget all about it and not call the cops.

If the sammich is really good I might leave my door unlocked the following night.


Attempted blowjob = Not rape. Sorry. Something is seriously wrong with this guy in the news.

Srsly.
:snooty:

 

[Jupiter551]

Yeah you're right, and apart from anything it's an issue of taking control of someone else's body without their consent, and I'm certain she'll be treated more leniently than someone who used violence etc...although it's kind of assumed that rape is by necessity sexual violence...I dunno, it's a weird area. If a woman woke up to find a man sexually molesting her the violence would seem implied even if it wasn't overt, I guess it's the way we percieve things.

I was raped and it wasn't violent. There are more ways to force a woman to have sex with you than to physically harm her.

I think the argument that 'a woman can't rape a man' is like saying 'men shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on abortion because they can never get pregnant.' It's just another form of sexism borne of ignorance. Men have feelings too.

If someone breaks in to your home and violates you, it's a crime with lasting repercussions. It doesn't matter if he's straight, gay, single, married, trying to be celibate or fucks every night. Making jokes about women taking advantage of men is kind of like saying, "We don't take sexual assault seriously. Tee-hee, that man thinks he has rights! Really, everyone should be okay with rape because they just got laid, right?"

I know, and I didn't intend to say that at all - just to highlight that there is in our social perception some kind of difference between the way men get treated as victims of sexual crimes by women, and vice versa. I'm not saying it's right, just saying it's there.

 

[KeelyAimee]

I saw this on the news.

Call me an asshole, but if you whine rape when a woman "tries" to suck your dick, I laugh.

You're a man, if your a gay man, and it horrifies you, punch the bitch in the face, repeatedly.
If you're a straight man, having a blow job forced on you by a woman, and you're horrified I seriously question your sincerity.
If you're a straight man trying to keep your vow of celibacy and have a woman force a blow job on you and you're horrified.... sorry, I have to take a break so I can ROTFLMAO.... at you and your sick obsession with sexlessness.

Like it or don't, men are not like women. A normal man, faced with a free blow job does not mind.
The only reason you'd mind, all things being equal is if the woman was stinking drunk with urine soaked jeans and vomit in her hair. Then ok, most normal sober men will go "WTF get off me..."

Something ain't right with this guy. His mom probably did horrible things to him or to his mind.

Sure men CAN be raped. It happens. One on one with a woman about your own size and al she's doing is trying to suck your dick? Meh, no... you should be ashamed to utter the word "rape" to the world and act as if, you're violated.

If you wake up to the neighbor lady sucking your dick and you have some valid concern like disease or whatever, you tell the bitch to stop and when she doesn't, you punch her in the face a few times and call 911 to report a break in.
And an assault, if you honestly think she could have given you something a pharmacy will be needed to get rid of.

From what I can tell, the woman in question and the guy are about the same size. All that was involved was a blow job attempt. He's quite a pussy to cry rape and want her locked up for it.

I wont apologize for my opinion. If you are in prison and 3 guys hold you down and wreck your anus, it's rape. When a woman shows up in your room in the dead of night and tries to suck your dick..... not rape.
In fact, in my view it is a very rare thing, but not unheard of, for one woman to rape one man. The differences between the sexes just doesn't work that way. If the man has some odd psychological issues that make the very idea horrify him to the point he cries and screams rape I think maybe the guy in question has more of a problem than the woman attempting to suck his cock.

The news didnt say the man was mentally handicapped, or under age. Then I could see a charge of rape.

I know of what I speak, Over the yrs I have, on several occasions had women try to suck my dick when I didn't want them to. Without exception they were either too drunk, known disease ridden skanks, "not my type" or had personality disorders that turned me off to where the idea of fucking them was interesting but not inviting.
Yeah... once or twice or 5 times, I got "raped" while stinking drunk by women who I wouldn't have invited into my pants sober.

I don't remember once ever being so horrified I cried rape to the cops.
I did laugh at myself, or got angry at the women, and very hesitantly told my doctor I'd like a blood test plzkthks.
:icon-cry:

"Rape" never entered my mind. Why? I'm a fucking man. Unless you are 2 women bigger than I am and tie me down and force yourselves on me, I'm not going to consider it "rape".
And if you are 2 or 3 women bigger than I am and tie me down and force yourselves on me, if you make me a sammich and clean my kitchen, I'll try to forget all about it and not call the cops.

If the sammich is really good I might leave my door unlocked the following night.


Attempted blowjob = Not rape. Sorry. Something is seriously wrong with this guy in the news.

Srsly.
:snooty:

Wow. Just fucking wow.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

She must have found out he doesn't own any guns.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is that a good wow, or a bad wow?
:lol:

 

[Bocefish]

She must have found out he doesn't own any guns.

See, there ya go... If he could have legally owned a handgun, she never would've tried to slob his knob. Handguns are illegal in Australia.

 

[Jupiter551]

She must have found out he doesn't own any guns.

See, there ya go... If he could have legally owned a handgun, she never would've tried to slob his knob. Handguns are illegal in Australia.

Unless he's a member of a pistol-shooting club, but then he'd still have to try to justify deadly force to defend himself from a blowjob.

 

[Bocefish]

She must have found out he doesn't own any guns.

See, there ya go... If he could have legally owned a handgun, she never would've tried to slob his knob. Handguns are illegal in Australia.

Unless he's a member of a pistol-shooting club, but then he'd still have to try to justify deadly force to defend himself from a blowjob.

Nobody said he had to shoot her. Normally just the sight of a loaded firearm pointed at someone's face is enough to deter unwanted blow jobs, not that I have any experience in that particular matter.

 

[JickyJuly]

Whenever I hear someone make a rape claim I automatically believe them until other proof becomes available. Why? Admitting you've been raped is a way vulnerable moment. The way the rapist looks doesn't have any affect on that. It's a moment that you were not in control of your own body, and male or female, that sucks. Maybe the dude is pulling something, but it's safer to just assume he was victimized in some way and that the alleged attacker is just that an ALLEGED attacker. The article didn't have many details about the dude. Maybe I missed them? Anywhoos, if there was an offense, good for him bringing it out in the open.

I managed to fall into the cliche "teenage girl drinks too much at a party wakes up being humped by scrawny frat boy in pooka shell necklace" scenario once. I choked him with the shells, bit through his tongue and spit his own blood in his eyes to get away. BUT I didn't have the guts to go to the police. Mostly, I didn't want my Dad to have to be heartbroken about it. I can't imagine being a dude and putting it out there. So, until I hear more, I believe something unfortunate must have happened to him.

 

[Bocefish]

I passed out drunk on the beach once and woke up to a hot babe I briefly met the night before sucking my dick. Instinct made me shove her head off and say WTF are you doing. She ran away crying.

 

[LadyLuna]

Paulie, that's the first post by you that I find vaguely offensive. I'm not saying you're wrong about the difference between men and women usually... but... A smaller woman who has been properly trained can take down a larger man, so size difference might not be a factor. If a man is asleep and I creep in to suck his cock uninvited, then I'm violating him. We don't know all the facts. For whatever reason, this guy did not want this woman sucking his dick at the time at which she decided to. Therefore, it was a violation.

Unless a man has made it clear to a woman that she can suck his dick any time she pleases, she has no right to attempt it while he's asleep. EVEN IF he's not mentally traumatized by it, she has still raped him.

 

[Bocefish]

Unless a man has made it clear to a woman that she can suck his dick any time she pleases, she has no right to attempt it while he's asleep. EVEN IF he's not mentally traumatized by it, she has still raped him.

Well... I never felt raped, just wish she would have left her number. She was way more traumatized than I was.

 

[JickyJuly]

For the record, I have a game with my husband to see how far I can get before he actually fully wakes up. BUT, that's not a game for everyone I suspect? His reflexes are slow anyway. Hehe. Since the article said "woman breaks in" it did not sound like a party she was invited to. Maybe this is offensive or presumptuous of me, but since the article didn't give much info about the dude, I thought perhaps he was disabled somehow or young (anything that would make him more vulnerable to this sort thing). We can all get excited about the idea of waking up with a beautiful woman face down in our naughty bits, but the reality would likely be very different.

PS. I still lurvs Paulie's unflappable responses. I'd probably have been disappointed if he responded with anything less even though I disagree with his view in general. .

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Paulie, that's the first post by you that I find vaguely offensive. I'm not saying you're wrong about the difference between men and women usually... but... A smaller woman who has been properly trained can take down a larger man, so size difference might not be a factor. If a man is asleep and I creep in to suck his cock uninvited, then I'm violating him. We don't know all the facts. For whatever reason, this guy did not want this woman sucking his dick at the time at which she decided to. Therefore, it was a violation.

Unless a man has made it clear to a woman that she can suck his dick any time she pleases, she has no right to attempt it while he's asleep. EVEN IF he's not mentally traumatized by it, she has still raped him.

Well I didn't intend to offend anyone but sooner or later we all do. My bad.
We can agree, an uninvited blow job in the dead of night by someone you dont know is traumatic.
It is a sexual assault. But not rape. And for most normal men, it wouldn't be considered even that, if they knew the woman (and this guy did know her).

Also, from surfing the web, I read it is actually the second time this chick has gone in this guys house, and blew him. I think there is far more to this story than what we know so far.
Also there was a radio snippet where the host asked this guy if he thinks this woman deserves to be in prison for life (and this is what she is facing) and he says yes.

Pretty extreme punishment you wish on someone for a second dick sucking I think.

I have no problem with the gay community. I have gay relatives, I love em to death. I don't wanna be misunderstood here. But if this guy is gay, and this woman indeed did break into his home to blow him in an attempt to humiliate or torment him, ok.... she's fucked in the head and needs to do some time. Not life, but long enough to make a point.

From what I read... and they have posted very few details thus far, something sounds really off. His reaction is an overreaction.... even for a gay man. In general I tend to lean towards "if it doesn't make sense, it probably isnt true".

I will admit that it is possible, that this woman did traumatize this guy, somehow, for some reason. maybe he has sexual assault baggage that made it shocking and horrible. Who knows? If that's the case, and she knew, she needs her ass kicked.

maybe she's a neighbor just making a sloppy attempt to seduce him and it backfired? I dunno.

My previous post was from a point of view of all things being equal. Under NORMAL conditions, the reaction is far from what you would expect from a healthy young male.
My mistake was thinking that this happened, all things being equal.

Assuming it is.... it stinks of weird and abnormal. If he told her the first time to stay off his dick, and she sneaked back and did it again.... still kind of an over reaction.
If he has some sexual baggage that makes it all horribly traumatic, that changes the equation.

But assuming he is straight and has no sexual assault baggage, I think his reaction is overblown.
Pardon the pun.

Sometimes I forget what it was like to be young and scared of shit, and how past events can effect a young mind. Age and mileage makes you a callous asshole sometimes. I do apologize for my blunt and inconsiderate knee jerk opinion.
:crybaby:

But I bet, in a few weeks you're gonna find out this dude is trying to frame and ruin a old acquaintance he has a beef with. What he said and how he said it on the radio clip I tripped over just sounded.... wrong. I've seen people do a lot of mean vindictive shit, for some very petty offenses, and this stinks just like it.

But I could be horribly wrong. if I am, I'll freely admit it. I'm not afraid of being dead wrong now and then.
:lol:

 

[Evvie]

Paulie, that's the first post by you that I find vaguely offensive. I'm not saying you're wrong about the difference between men and women usually... but... A smaller woman who has been properly trained can take down a larger man, so size difference might not be a factor. If a man is asleep and I creep in to suck his cock uninvited, then I'm violating him. We don't know all the facts. For whatever reason, this guy did not want this woman sucking his dick at the time at which she decided to. Therefore, it was a violation.

Unless a man has made it clear to a woman that she can suck his dick any time she pleases, she has no right to attempt it while he's asleep. EVEN IF he's not mentally traumatized by it, she has still raped him.

Well I didn't intend to offend anyone but sooner or later we all do. My bad.
We can agree, an uninvited blow job in the dead of night by someone you dont know is traumatic.
It is a sexual assault. But not rape. And for most normal men, it wouldn't be considered even that, if they knew the woman (and this guy did know her).

Also, from surfing the web, I read it is actually the second time this chick has gone in this guys house, and blew him. I think there is far more to this story than what we know so far.
Also there was a radio snippet where the host asked this guy if he thinks this woman deserves to be in prison for life (and this is what she is facing) and he says yes.

Pretty extreme punishment you wish on someone for a second dick sucking I think.

I have no problem with the gay community. I have gay relatives, I love em to death. I don't wanna be misunderstood here. But if this guy is gay, and this woman indeed did break into his home to blow him in an attempt to humiliate or torment him, ok.... she's fucked in the head and needs to do some time. Not life, but long enough to make a point.

From what I read... and they have posted very few details thus far, something sounds really off. His reaction is an overreaction.... even for a gay man. In general I tend to lean towards "if it doesn't make sense, it probably isnt true".

I will admit that it is possible, that this woman did traumatize this guy, somehow, for some reason. maybe he has sexual assault baggage that made it shocking and horrible. Who knows? If that's the case, and she knew, she needs her ass kicked.

maybe she's a neighbor just making a sloppy attempt to seduce him and it backfired? I dunno.

My previous post was from a point of view of all things being equal. Under NORMAL conditions, the reaction is far from what you would expect from a healthy young male.
My mistake was thinking that this happened, all things being equal.

Assuming it is.... it stinks of weird and abnormal. If he told her the first time to stay off his dick, and she sneaked back and did it again.... still kind of an over reaction.
If he has some sexual baggage that makes it all horribly traumatic, that changes the equation.

But assuming he is straight and has no sexual assault baggage, I think his reaction is overblown.
Pardon the pun.

Sometimes I forget what it was like to be young and scared of shit, and how past events can effect a young mind. Age and mileage makes you a callous asshole sometimes. I do apologize for my blunt and inconsiderate knee jerk opinion.
:crybaby:

But I bet, in a few weeks you're gonna find out this dude is trying to frame and ruin a old acquaintance he has a beef with. What he said and how he said it on the radio clip I tripped over just sounded.... wrong. I've seen people do a lot of mean vindictive shit, for some very petty offenses, and this stinks just like it.

But I could be horribly wrong. if I am, I'll freely admit it. I'm not afraid of being dead wrong now and then.
:lol:

Whether or not sexual assault is horribly traumatic or not shouldn't matter. Gender should not matter. When you break in to someone's home and violate them, it's assault.

(Legally I couldn't say if it's technically rape, but morally, I would say yes.)

 

[Jupiter551]

it's sexual assault, if not rape, and technically fellatio is considered sodomy under the law (pretty much sticking a penis in any orifice other than the vagina is classed as sodomy).

The thing is, this isn't about how any of US would react if this happened to us, under the law this guy was sexually assaulted - and if he felt strongly enough about it to come forward then the last thing we should be doing is speculating about whether or not he should be traumatised.

 

[Shaun__]

I was molested once as a young child, and the thought of someone doing something sexual, uninvited to me, makes me want to vomit. He may have had something similar happen to him. You have no idea how that violation of trust feels when you grow up and still remember what happened. I still see the family member who did it to me. Men can be raped, but most are so afraid of saying anything it will never be reported.

 

[hornygods]

I hate how we're projecting our personal moral ideals here.

Paulie - you may not feel that it would be very traumatic if it happened to you personally, but that's not the point here. It's the violation of trust. The gender roles shouldn't really matter - he was in a vulnerable position (sleeping) and he was forced to engage in penetrative intercourse. That's sexual assault.

 

[JickyJuly]

Are y'all really trying to force political correctness on the ambercutieforums right now? Discussion will become a futile practice if we all need to fear saying something weird and getting pounced. He was a big enough person to re-explain and make some concessions without dropping the wit. Follow suit and stop ankle biting.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still not enough news about it to do more than speculate.
You have no idea if he was asleep, how she got in, or if they were involved. All factors that change the entire subject.
She was charged with breaking in. She plead not guilty.
She was charged with sexual assault, she plead not guilty.

In my country if you say you didn't do it, someone else has to prove you did. Until then, you didn't do it.
Not guilty is not innocent, perhaps she did enter, perhaps she did suck, and she is pleading not guilty of what they are calling it.... breaking in and assault.

Or maybe it never happened. Not enough information to go on, except to labor under the assumption he is normal, she is normal, and nothing is out of the ordinary.

Damn the AU press for not being invasive and pushy and getting us more info to digest.
:lol:

Assuming they knew each other, and assuming he has no childhood issues, and assuming they both are typical, normal heterosexual people..... his reaction is overblown. I agree with you in the respect that there must be some sort of unknown dynamic going on here for him to react this way IF she did it.
She says she didn't. Until the guy and the police prove she did, then that's pretty much the end of it or, it should be. She didn't break in and she didn't sexually assault him.

Maybe she entered the house and sucked his sleeping dick. The devil is in the details, and until you know the details we really can't say what happened.
All we know is what she was charged with. lets flip the coin and consider that being charged with something you didn't do is pretty awful.
Maybe she is the victim?

But all things being equal, methinks the young man doth protest too much. (I'm still not going to feel bad thinking that for a man, he sure aint acting like one.)

I admit, all things are rarely equal. I blame the AU press for not feeding us more details! In the US this guy would have been on 15 tv talk shows and the woman would have had her own book deal by now.
:lol:

 

[hornygods]

Are y'all really trying to force political correctness on the ambercutieforums right now? Discussion will become a futile practice if we all need to fear saying something weird and getting pounced. He was a big enough person to re-explain and make some concessions without dropping the wit. Follow suit and stop ankle biting.

Ofcourse not - I just didn't feel his position was very well founded. The point was that, if the story is true, then its sexual assault. I didn't claim that it was offensive (unless someone else did, but I don't think political correctness was the point either).

@Paulie: The 'rape' victim doesn't need to justify whether it was traumatic or not, non-consensual sex is still unacceptable because of the violation of trust. He doesn't have to press charges though. If it turns out that it didn't happen, then no judgement shall be made. I'm operating on the presumption that the story was not fabricated/distorted.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

If it was traumatic enough for the guy to openly say he wants her to serve life in prison, that musta been one lousy blow job.

 

[Bocefish]

Until we know more details I'm raising the

She supposedly did this twice on two separate occasions. Unless she's touched in the head, I can't see any sane woman doing this. Unless she bit, they must acquit. Men aren't pieces of meat woman can suck on whenever they want. :snooty: