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[MrsCookie]

This thread has turned very interesting. We are tapping into the basis of the web cam phenomenon - real people, contact in a controlled environment, non-destructive sex. In the ocean of porn and free nudity, a cam model can carve out a place, make money and pull back a certain amount of control of their life. A member can scratch that non-monogomous itch without blowing up relationships. This industry will only grow. What I believe will happen is that models who establish a following will take their operations private, establish their own sites, get paid in crypto (once it becomes more liquid and practical to do so) and keep 100%of what they make. Crypto enables the micro-payments that are the role of tokens right now. There will be directories instead of cam sites. They will link to individual model sites. They may charge a fee, but the infrastructure will shift to a decentralized model and the cam models will win. Give it five years.

I have one piece of advice for models. Dont charge for Kik, or Twitter or WhatsApp, etc. Those services are how you connect with your member base. That's your asset! If you have that connection, you have the asset. You can move your base with a massive group text. You can communicate with your base and solidify the relationship. In short, give the text away and collect members. Build the asset. It will be valuable.

Camming is in its infancy. Whether it evolves as I predict or it goes in another direction, it is going to change.

 

[AudriTwo]

Camming is in its infancy. Whether it evolves as I predict or it goes in another direction, it is going to change.

Camming has been around for 20+ years. It is faaar from infancy


And do charge for kik and what's app. It's stupid to have 24/7 chat access for free. Cammodels time is valuable.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

This thread has turned very interesting. We are tapping into the basis of the web cam phenomenon - real people, contact in a controlled environment, non-destructive sex. In the ocean of porn and free nudity, a cam model can carve out a place, make money and pull back a certain amount of control of their life. A member can scratch that non-monogomous itch without blowing up relationships. This industry will only grow. What I believe will happen is that models who establish a following will take their operations private, establish their own sites, get paid in crypto (once it becomes more liquid and practical to do so) and keep 100%of what they make. Crypto enables the micro-payments that are the role of tokens right now. There will be directories instead of cam sites. They will link to individual model sites. They may charge a fee, but the infrastructure will shift to a decentralized model and the cam models will win. Give it five years.

I have one piece of advice for models. Dont charge for Kik, or Twitter or WhatsApp, etc. Those services are how you connect with your member base. That's your asset! If you have that connection, you have the asset. You can move your base with a massive group text. You can communicate with your base and solidify the relationship. In short, give the text away and collect members. Build the asset. It will be valuable.

Camming is in its infancy. Whether it evolves as I predict or it goes in another direction, it is going to change.

This makes less sense the more I re-read it

 

[Lelo1]

What I believe will happen is that models who establish a following will take their operations private, establish their own sites, get paid in crypto (once it becomes more liquid and practical to do so) and keep 100%of what they make.

Some models already make their own websites, and It doesn't require crypto. A lot of them still stay on a platform. One of the challenges is traffic. It's usually easier to get traffic on a major website. If an unknown model puts a video on PH, it can get a million views without any upfront costs.

Some models are also already doing business through other channel like skyprivates, which is taking like 25%.

There are models who work completely through reddit, but their not getting the traffic they would probable get on CB, MFC. And there is greater risk for model and consumer. If reddit bans the practice their kind of SOL.

Even if you switch to crypto. Most of these models don't change. I mean CB is still going to want their percentage, there is still taxes. Self hosting, There is still web hosting fees, SEO, advertising, taxes. Even if crypto exchange fees are cheaper, that would probable just mean it drives the price of adult credit cards fees down.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Camming has been around for 20+ years. It is faaar from infancy


And do charge for kik and what's app. It's stupid to have 24/7 chat access for free. Cammodels time is valuable.

Agreed.

 

[Diana_Devil]

This thread has turned very interesting. We are tapping into the basis of the web cam phenomenon - real people, contact in a controlled environment, non-destructive sex. In the ocean of porn and free nudity, a cam model can carve out a place, make money and pull back a certain amount of control of their life. A member can scratch that non-monogomous itch without blowing up relationships. This industry will only grow. What I believe will happen is that models who establish a following will take their operations private, establish their own sites, get paid in crypto (once it becomes more liquid and practical to do so) and keep 100%of what they make. Crypto enables the micro-payments that are the role of tokens right now. There will be directories instead of cam sites. They will link to individual model sites. They may charge a fee, but the infrastructure will shift to a decentralized model and the cam models will win. Give it five years.

I have one piece of advice for models. Dont charge for Kik, or Twitter or WhatsApp, etc. Those services are how you connect with your member base. That's your asset! If you have that connection, you have the asset. You can move your base with a massive group text. You can communicate with your base and solidify the relationship. In short, give the text away and collect members. Build the asset. It will be valuable.

Camming is in its infancy. Whether it evolves as I predict or it goes in another direction, it is going to change.

Jon i already explained how the things work but you still not get it and dream moshrooms flying on ceilings and pink horses on the walls.

1. crypto its same shit as tokens = virtual money . But the tokens you can change them in real money fast , instead crypto not so for 99% of us crypto its worthless. i do not care if the sistem will make it easyer , i still piss on the krypto because i WANT TO FEEL THE DAMM CASH IN MY DAMM HANDS AND COUNT THEM AND FEEL THEIR SMELL. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO FUCKING MOTIVATION . And there are plenity models like me. I do not want to watch my fucking crypto wallet being full and take a 7 days procces to transform it in money , because i do need money today and now not in fucking 7 days.

2. Again with this shit of giving kik and whatsapp for free. DO YOU EVER REALIZE HOW MANY FREELOADERS AND TIME WAISTERS ARE THERE? i would have to spend like 4 hours of my life daily reading FREE messages and see FRee cocks and reading nasty shits. THERE IS NO FUCKING BUSSINES IN FREE STUFFS . WHO ITS PAYING PER MY TIME ? GRANDPA FROM THE GRAVE???? DEFINATELLY NOT !!!!! so why but why i would want to see cocks for free and speak for free and spend like hours daily for free ????? DO YOU WORK FOR FREE JON??? who really want to get in touch with me he can pay a 100 tokens for a damm coffe to have a hello and some vagina pics and to have a lil sex chat or whatever.

3. Yes camming will going to change we will start to be more powerfull and independent and only the good and middle ones will rest on the market

4. Also how many times i have to expalin to you that keeping your own site alive COSTS AS FUCK ? AND HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT TRAFICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC ITS THE FUCKING HOLLY SAINT OF EVERY CAM MODEL . NO TRAFFIC = NO MONEY . To bring your damm traffic you have to spend at least 100 $ daily and thats not a guarantee you would make sales to even cover the traffic costs , then come site costs , payment handling costs , taxes , and at the end if you rest with something you are happy .



NOW THAT I YELLED AGAIN AT YOU , YOU CAN SEND ME MY DAILY COFFE AND I WILL SEND YOU SOME PICS TO MAKE YOU JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS SO YOUR HEAD COME BACK AT WORKING GOOD

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Jon i already explained how the things work but you still not get it and dream moshrooms flying on ceilings and pink horses on the walls.

1. crypto its same shit as tokens = virtual money . But the tokens you can change them in real money fast , instead crypto not so for 99% of us crypto its worthless. i do not care if the sistem will make it easyer , i still piss on the krypto because i WANT TO FEEL THE DAMM CASH IN MY DAMM HANDS AND COUNT THEM AND FEEL THEIR SMELL. OTHERWISE I HAVE NO FUCKING MOTIVATION . And there are plenity models like me. I do not want to watch my fucking crypto wallet being full and take a 7 days procces to transform it in money , because i do need money today and now not in fucking 7 days.

To be fair crypto can be converted to cash pretty easily depending on what currency or exchange service you use. Hell, when CB pays me in bitcoin I can have the cash in my account within a half hour.

 

[dark_mermaid]

Lighting helps and so does teasing members, i personally get a bit annoyed at models that show everything for free, because why would a member come into a room and tip, when he can go elsewhere and see everything for free? It kinda spoils it for everyone else

Make then pay, because they will, i keep goals low-ish or do club shows fee they need to pay to see you naked

I'll probably get flamed for this but personally I called this the "Latin American CB strategy". A lot of girls (often with bad cams or streams, like really low quality) did this over hours and hours. Their broadcast was mostly a six hour masturbation marathon with really low prices. At first I thought it's illogical but for them it made totally sense. It was their way to get viewers.

Cam quality has risen overall in the last years, it's not so common anymore.

 

[AmberCutie]

I approved that post at the top of the page at like 5am when I couldn't sleep and just wondered who would be the first to point out the ridiculousness of some of the statements in it.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I'm so confused why is this strange Mrs cookie person being called jon

 

[MrsCookie]

I'm used to this. When she gets worked up she uses my name.

I am not suggesting that anyone spend time chatting with followers for free. Just capture their contact info somehow. They are your clients.

The rest of it will happen organically. Right now it is hard to turn crypto into cash. It will get easier. And when it does, two primary functions of the platform will be replaceable - easy micro payments and currency conversion. Also, there are no charge backs with crypto. Your platform does drive traffic and it is an eco-system. That may not change. But pressure from alternative business models will give you more leverage which will result in a better split on the token payments.

 

[AmberCutie]

There's something other than sugar in that cookie, methinks.

 

[Diana_Devil]

I'm so confused why is this strange Mrs cookie person being called jon

Because he is my member for 1 year and a half by now and thats how i call him sorry if i made confusion

 

[AudriTwo]

I am not suggesting that anyone spend time chatting with followers for free. Just capture their contact info somehow. They are your clients.

and those clients should pay extra for contact info if they want easier access. we already have their contact info necessary on what ever site they are members on. jon, can i call you jon as well? well jon, instant messaging services like kik/what's app means easier way to contact since they are apps. so they are on your phone too. what im trying to get at is if a models wants members to have that type of 24/7 instant access to they should charge, their time is valuable. also i don't know about other models, but having to talk to members off cam hours is work, i'd like to be compensated. that is time i'm taking out of my life to respond and giving attention which is attention i could be giving to my loved ones.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

NOW THAT I YELLED AGAIN AT YOU , YOU CAN SEND ME MY DAILY COFFE AND I WILL SEND YOU SOME PICS TO MAKE YOU JIZZ IN YOUR PANTS SO YOUR HEAD COME BACK AT WORKING GOOD

Is this a new thing? Tip a model for daily coffee and I get pics?

 

[Diana_Devil]

Is this a new thing? Tip a model for daily coffee and I get pics?

Well the monthly membership stuff its getting me overhelmed because i can not track the dates and i can not keep an evidence organized who paid and when. So i prefer the daily coffe payment haha , i said daily coffe to make people actually feel better about paying for their membership

So yes there its a good trade for me i get my daily coffes and i send pics and some short vids .

I do not know if it is a new thing but i came up with this ideea and my followers like it.

 

[Diana_Devil]

and those clients should pay extra for contact info if they want easier access. we already have their contact info necessary on what ever site they are members on. jon, can i call you jon as well? well jon, instant messaging services like kik/what's app means easier way to contact since they are apps. so they are on your phone too. what im trying to get at is if a models wants members to have that type of 24/7 instant access to they should charge, their time is valuable. also i don't know about other models, but having to talk to members off cam hours is work, i'd like to be compensated. that is time i'm taking out of my life to respond and giving attention which is attention i could be giving to my loved ones.

Yes exactelly this but Jon doesnt get it , he thinks everybody pay for porn and models time and he its dreaming at the perfect bussiness where everybody its fair and consciouns.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Well the monthly membership stuff its getting me overhelmed because i can not track the dates and i can not keep an evidence organized who paid and when. So i prefer the daily coffe payment haha , i said daily coffe to make people actually feel better about paying for their membership

So yes there its a good trade for me i get my daily coffes and i send pics and some short vids .

I do not know if it is a new thing but i came up with this ideea and my followers like it.

There is some benefits to it, though I can see some drawback as well. Whatever works best for you, that is the important thing!

 

[MrsCookie]

I am fixated on the percentage of your tips that the platforms take. Models in studios lose a slice to the studio. It bothers me. I don't want to pay a dollar to give Natural Pussy 50 cents. I want to give her the whole dollar, or close to it. But, it does not bother the models for the most part. The focus of most models is how to increase tips.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

I am fixated on the percentage of your tips that the platforms take. Models in studios lose a slice to the studio. It bothers me. I don't want to pay a dollar to give Natural Pussy 50 cents. I want to give her the whole dollar, or close to it. But, it does not bother the models for the most part. The focus of most models is how to increase tips.

Yet, you are saying for them to give away items which they charge for.

Most models understand the cost of doing business. As mentioned before, hardware costs, billing and processing fees, advertising, etc.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

I am fixated on the percentage of your tips that the platforms take. Models in studios lose a slice to the studio. It bothers me. I don't want to pay a dollar to give Natural Pussy 50 cents. I want to give her the whole dollar, or close to it. But, it does not bother the models for the most part. The focus of most models is how to increase tips.

Do you also fixate on the portion of your cup of coffee at a coffee shop that goes to cover rent? Or the amount you pay an Etsy seller that goes to Etsy? Or eBay? Or when you go to a hairdresser many hairdressers are independent contractors and the salon takes a % in return for delivering them traffic, a place to work etc.

Even when you donate to a non profit a portion must go to overhead costs.

This is the cost of doing business. Our operations overhead is our business, not yours. We make a decision about that, not you.

 

[Diana_Devil]

I am fixated on the percentage of your tips that the platforms take. Models in studios lose a slice to the studio. It bothers me. I don't want to pay a dollar to give Natural Pussy 50 cents. I want to give her the whole dollar, or close to it. But, it does not bother the models for the most part. The focus of most models is how to increase tips.

You are fixated wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!

I told you also 1 bilion times that even if you give me 1 dollar i will never take 1 dolar because i have to pay at my own traffic , internet platform , stream server, and so many other things. so i would probably be left with 40 cents or less , because i am not a big corporate to can negociate costs in bulk.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

You are fixated wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!

I told you also 1 bilion times that even if you give me 1 dollar i will never take 1 dolar because i have to pay at my own traffic , internet platform , stream server, and so many other things. so i would probably be left with 40 cents or less , because i am not a big corporate to can negociate costs in bulk.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand this?

 

[Diana_Devil]

Why is it so difficult for people to understand this?

I honestly do not know really , this is pure bussiness trade classic , every state and gouvernement and even our toilet paper we clean our ass with apply to this rule .

 

[AmberCutie]

You are fixated wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!

I told you also 1 bilion times that even if you give me 1 dollar i will never take 1 dolar because i have to pay at my own traffic , internet platform , stream server, and so many other things. so i would probably be left with 40 cents or less , because i am not a big corporate to can negociate costs in bulk.

It is so frustrating that so many people can't see this and continue to bitch about our cam sites taking a cut.

Bishes, you wouldn't even know who I am without the camsite, pay your respects!

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

The only other industry i can think of where customers feel entitled to know and then take issue w how our overhead is spent is non profit.

Which makes me think that the reason customers do this to cam models is because they prefer to view us as charity cases than services


It's common when we donate or gift money to still feel some ownership of it even when it's no longer ours. It's the same attitude that comes in when we criticize how a homeless person spends the $5 you give them.

It's incredibly and deeply patronizing when members do this to me. I find myself constantly having to explain my business choices. It implies that the customer knows better than i do how i should run my business, that they feel their money is still theirs even once it's mine. No eBay buyer has ever done to me.

We are not stupid. We are aware we could choose to get a higher cut if we use direct methods. We have made the choice to forgo that for a reason.

The services and goods you receive are the same regardless of whether you agree or disagree with our business decisions about where and how to work

 

[Diana_Devil]

It is so frustrating that so many people can't see this and continue to bitch about our cam sites taking a cut.

Bishes, you wouldn't even know who I am without the camsite, pay your respects!

YES exactelly , and also they actually do not understand that to be able to make a pay check you have to be part from a comunity and that comunity has costs , same as any other vanilla bussines has its costs .

 

[AudriTwo]

The only other industry i can think of where customers feel entitled to know and then take issue w how our overhead is spent is non profit.

Which makes me think that the reason customers do this to cam models is because they prefer to view us as charity cases than services

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Maybe it stems from a system where models are "tipped". When you tip at a restaurant you expect that the waiter gets 100% of what you tipped them and would be appauled to find out that management was taking a cut. There is also the fact that everyone knows what % models take home, whereas with a lot of other work the financial breakdown isn't common knowledge.

 

[Diana_Devil]

Maybe it stems from a system where models are "tipped". When you tip at a restaurant you expect that the waiter gets 100% of what you tipped them and would be appauled to find out that management was taking a cut. There is also the fact that everyone knows what % models take home, whereas with a lot of other work the financial breakdown isn't common knowledge.

Well actually in many restaurants in europe managment take a cut from the tips.

Plus do not forget a thing an waiter have a fixed loan plus tip , he is an enployee.
A cam model its an independent contractor that means you have your own bussines , even if you work in colaboration with bigger corporation on a percent basis you are still an independent contractor. So if you really understand how the financial system goes and basic bussines knowledge you would also understand thats impossible to be paid 100%

Its soooo simple , its basic math!! why people still not get it?!