Feeling unsafe on stripchat! Ultimate who stays invisible and never chats or spends! Stalker behavior!

[Deleted member 97791]

I’d like some feedback on how to deal with this issue on stripchat. The second I log in to stream on stripchat I have an ultimate user who shows up every single time. They never chat, never tip so I have no way to block them. Most of the time I’m totally dressed, no nudity whatsoever and they are still there. It feels like stalker behavior. I’ve reached out to stripchat about this and they see no issue as they say the person is not disrupting the stream. However to see the invisible there 24/7 everyday does make it uncomfortable. If they didn’t want to stalk or intimate you the ultimate invisible could simply choose to watch not logged in. But then choosing to make their presence know is what appears to be stalking to me.
Any advice on how to handle this?

 

[MarieElise]

I’d like some feedback on how to deal with this issue on stripchat. The second I log in to stream on stripchat I have an ultimate user who shows up every single time. They never chat, never tip so I have no way to block them. Most of the time I’m totally dressed, no nudity whatsoever and they are still there. It feels like stalker behavior. I’ve reached out to stripchat about this and they see no issue as they say the person is not disrupting the stream. However to see the invisible there 24/7 everyday does make it uncomfortable. If they didn’t want to stalk or intimate you the ultimate invisible could simply choose to watch not logged in. But then choosing to make their presence know is what appears to be stalking to me.
Any advice on how to handle this?

When I tried that site the block feature glitched 50% of the time, but the 50% it worked you could block anyone. Have things changed? Any model should be able to block any member at anytime on these sites.

I don't understand how we are 1099 workers, if we are treated like employees and actually don't have any autonomy?
At that point isn't it just basically treating us like employees but without the benefits of employees? I wish I knew a lawyer who was versed in this stuff...

 

[Deleted member 97791]

Sadly if a member on stripchat has ultimate status and never talks or spends on you, there is no way to block or know who they are

 

[Stella_SC]

Here is an article on how you can mute or ban users on Stripchat: https://support.stripchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410734381969-How-to-ban-or-mute-users

 

[stormythunder]

Here is an article on how you can mute or ban users on Stripchat: https://support.stripchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410734381969-How-to-ban-or-mute-users

This article isn't helpful to OP. Their issue is with an invisible ultimate user. No username to hover over, no way to block.

 

[Vixxen81]

Perhaps I'm daft, what's the harm here?

 

[Maxi]

Perhaps I'm daft, what's the harm here?

I thought that.

 

[prizenka]

I thought that.

I don't like it when someone is in my room all da

 

[Stella_SC]

Hello @stormythunder

I have already discussed the matter with the OP privately (plus they have deleted their account on here) .

That article was just general assistance for anyone else that perhaps did not know the ways to ban or mute a user (hence why I didn't tag anyone in particular in the post).

 

[MarieElise]

I don't like it when someone is in my room all da

Yeah we've talked about this a lot before at this forum and models should have autonomy over their own rooms. We are not employees, we are 1099 workers. I don't get why any model wouldn't understand that that is an overstep. But I also wouldn't recommend staying on a platform where your rights aren't taken seriously.

Super mega creepy behavior on that ultimate users part.

 

[Stella_SC]

Previously (as many models from this forum may remember), there was no way to block silent, non-anonymous users in the free chat - it seemed that since they were silent, they weren't violating the site's rules and there was no reason to block them.

However, dialogue with the models on the forum (thanks to everyone who participated once again ) helped the site administration better understand streamers and their feelings, and now models can block visitors who annoy them with their constant presence in the chat.

The situation with anonymous users, though, is slightly different. We did selective surveys and found that very often users do not want to reveal their presence in the chat; not for "creepy" reasons, but because they are quite shy, do not want to show other models and users which models they visit, and often simply want to keep their relationship with this particular model more intimate.

Can you tell us a little more about why models are uncomfortable by invisible users? What solution do you see as optimal in this situation to preserve the positive emotions from the stream, and at the same time not disable the possibility of communication for new fans or loyal admirers hiding behind a mask?

 

[Vixxen81]

Previously (as many models from this forum may remember), there was no way to block silent, non-anonymous users in the free chat - it seemed that since they were silent, they weren't violating the site's rules and there was no reason to block them.

However, dialogue with the models on the forum (thanks to everyone who participated once again ) helped the site administration better understand streamers and their feelings, and now models can block visitors who annoy them with their constant presence in the chat.

The situation with anonymous users, though, is slightly different. We did selective surveys and found that very often users do not want to reveal their presence in the chat; not for "creepy" reasons, but because they are quite shy, do not want to show other models and users which models they visit, and often simply want to keep their relationship with this particular model more intimate.

Can you tell us a little more about why models are uncomfortable by invisible users? What solution do you see as optimal in this situation to preserve the positive emotions from the stream, and at the same time not disable the possibility of communication for new fans or loyal admirers hiding behind a mask?

One quick question, can users tip anonymously? If so, perhaps the system can be "timed out" if they don't tip within a certain amount of time. There are many apps and bots on CB that will blackout the broadcaster's stream feed to make the user tip or get off the pot, so to speak.

 

[rockin_rod]

very often users do not want to reveal their presence in the chat; not for "creepy" reasons, but because they are quite shy, do not want to show other models and users which models they visit, and often simply want to keep their relationship with this particular model more intimate.

.....also to lurk without tipping.
Sure, some Ultimate users who hide their visibility still send private tips, but that feature also enables those that don't, or won't.
OP's thread title suggests that this invisible user in question is a non-tipper, non-communicator.
Definitely not 'keeping their relationship more intimate', there is no relationship at all other than having an anon presence.

Edit to add: I really think 'invisible' should mean to the rest of the users in the room, but the model should still see their username.
Some users will disagree, but I can only think of one real reason why they would want to stay in a room and not want the model to know they're present.

 

[Vixxen81]

On CB we can see the number of anonymous users looking at the room but of course no way of knowing who they are but because it's never just one or two people but often tens of people or tens of hundreds of people, it's not so noticeable and doesn't give off a creep vibe.

 

[rockin_rod]

On CB we can see the number of anonymous users looking at the room but of course no way of knowing who they are but because it's never just one or two people but often tens of people or tens of hundreds of people, it's not so noticeable and doesn't give off a creep vibe.

That's a good point.
With various countries and states ramping up their laws regarding access to adult content, I'm wondering how long it will be before cam sites require a registered account to enter.
CB still allows grey accounts to be created without even needing an email address to go with the registration, so they're still effectively anonymous accounts unless grey chat is enabled AND they choose to comment.

 

[Vixxen81]

That's a good point.
With various countries and states ramping up their laws regarding access to adult content, I'm wondering how long it will be before cam sites require a registered account to enter.
CB still allows grey accounts to be created without even needing an email address to go with the registration, so they're still effectively anonymous accounts unless grey chat is enabled AND they choose to comment.

I just feel like it's an impossible ask on both sides. Models need to get over the privacy aspect when they are essentially a public figure but the user is not. That's harsh but it's reality.

Edit to add: It's like being thrown out of a store because you browsed.

 

[MarieElise]

It's nothing like being thrown out of a store because you browsed, this is sex work. That's like comparing apples to oranges. Sorry Vixen but I'm shocked you would say that. Because of the nature of this work, the stigma and the intimacy, and privacy sone of us enjoy, it's nothing like that at all.

I'm not going to continue because I'm just not going to break down the science behind stalking, and women, and sex work and all of that stuff that everybody already does, or should know. I'm done. Like no .

I don't mean that specifically of Vixen even though I mentioned her name earlier in this post, so I want to make that clear here. The wishy washy back and forth is a lot. Uuugh. Who would have thought advocating for models amongst other models would be so f****** difficult . Run your room how you want, but the choice should be in your hands. Logging on and watching someone's entire stream every time they log on, is not someone who is too shy and who is browsing. That's someone developing an unhealthy parasocial attachment at best. And that shouldn't be supported and encouraged.

 

[BlueEyezIrish]

Previously (as many models from this forum may remember), there was no way to block silent, non-anonymous users in the free chat - it seemed that since they were silent, they weren't violating the site's rules and there was no reason to block them.

However, dialogue with the models on the forum (thanks to everyone who participated once again ) helped the site administration better understand streamers and their feelings, and now models can block visitors who annoy them with their constant presence in the chat.

The situation with anonymous users, though, is slightly different. We did selective surveys and found that very often users do not want to reveal their presence in the chat; not for "creepy" reasons, but because they are quite shy, do not want to show other models and users which models they visit, and often simply want to keep their relationship with this particular model more intimate.

Can you tell us a little more about why models are uncomfortable by invisible users? What solution do you see as optimal in this situation to preserve the positive emotions from the stream, and at the same time not disable the possibility of communication for new fans or loyal admirers hiding behind a mask?

I am grossed out by Anonymous users on all the sex sites. What is the point? They need to pay us!!!! I can ban users if I see them and they just being gross lurkers and have been on the site for years and still ZERO tokens. It’s creepy as FUCK! There should be an automatic Anonymous Tip of whatever amount we say to be able to be anonymous in our room for more than 15 minutes. If they want that privilege then pay for it. I want them all banned from my room. They serve no purpose in my room. I want to know that I can log on and creeps are not just living in my room for free my whole shift. I ban every single grey user immediately after I see how long they been on the site. Older than 13 days old they gotta go and I Ban For life! I believe maybe 5% are shy men the rest are Cheap Gross Entitled Nasty Men

 

[cbhours]

Hide them completely from the user list, problem solved.

 

[Natural9]

It's funny they complain about an invisible "ultimate" user but not about all of the anonymous users watching them on affiliate sites that cannot and will not ever tip them.

 

[Vixxen81]

It's funny they complain about an invisible "ultimate" user but not about all of the anonymous users watching them on affiliate sites that cannot and will not ever tip them.

I can't access SC without going through a VPN or giving up my ID, but are the user lists visible to the model on screen at all times? Versus say, on CB, where you have to click onto the user list in a different tab?

 

[Natural9]

I can't access SC without going through a VPN or giving up my ID, but are the user lists visible to the model on screen at all times? Versus say, on CB, where you have to click onto the user list in a different tab?

Click onto the user list on a different tab. Similar to CB.

 

[Vixxen81]

Click onto the user list on a different tab. Similar to CB.

I have a very out of sight out of mind relationship with anons and lurkers. They're not hurting me and they aren't helping and I will double down on the idea that window shopping needs to be a thing on token sites.

 

[Natural9]

I have a very out of sight of mind relationship with anons and lurkers. They're not hurting me and they aren't helping and I will double down on the idea that window shopping needs to be a thing on token sites.

I agree. I usually go into a model's room... read her profile, check out the tip menu, and watch how she interacts with the people in the room and what she does for what she is tipped. 95% of the time I just end up leaving and never returning.

 

[Marceline]

I have a very out of sight out of mind relationship with anons and lurkers. They're not hurting me and they aren't helping and I will double down on the idea that window shopping needs to be a thing on token sites.

In my opinion, part of being an online swer is coming to terms with the fact that there will be guys who watch you on cam and never tip or watch your pirated content or even get off to your previews without ever buying your videos. Yes, it sucks. But honestly, there’s no way around it. It’s well within someone’s right to not like that, but the out of sight out of mind is really the best approach, because if someone does dwell on it they’re just going to be miserable the majority of the time they’re working.

 

[Vixxen81]

In my opinion, part of being an online swer is coming to terms with the fact that there will be guys who watch you on cam and never tip or watch your pirated content or even get off to your previews without ever buying your videos. Yes, it sucks. But honestly, there’s no way around it. It’s well within someone’s right to not like that, but the out of sight out of mind is really the best approach, because if someone does dwell on it they’re just going to be miserable the majority of the time they’re working.

 

[Natural9]

In my opinion, part of being an online swer is coming to terms with the fact that there will be guys who watch you on cam and never tip or watch your pirated content or even get off to your previews without ever buying your videos. Yes, it sucks. But honestly, there’s no way around it. It’s well within someone’s right to not like that, but the out of sight out of mind is really the best approach, because if someone does dwell on it they’re just going to be miserable the majority of the time they’re working.

Not to mention the majority are now watching on their cell phone which has a "built in" screen recorder so you might want to add everything is also being recorded. Then there is the pirate sites who somehow mysteriously record every model on every site, public and private shows. Seems to me some of these affiliate sites are either the ones recording or allowing someone to record everything.

 

[NotYou]

Click onto the user list on a different tab. Similar to CB.

I thought that for a model, the user list is always visible, but for a member, you have to click the tab to see it.

 

[Stella_SC]

Most of you already would likely know this, but for anyone who does not:

It is important too to understand the difference between a Freemium and a Premium site.

We are a Freemium site, which means we offer a free base product with optional paid upgrades.
- Users of our product can watch the public shows anonymously while being logged out.
- Grey users have at least created an account, but they did not purchase tokens and can therefore watch public shows for free.
- Additionally, even if a user has tokens, they are not obligated to tip any model - they can also watch the public shows for free.
- Invisible users either bought the ultimate user package, or worked their way up to a certain level (Red: the Royal or Legend League) by spending tokens. They have the option to switch their accounts to show as invisible, or have their name displayed.

Now how much a model shows or interacts with these types of users during their public shows is completely up to the model; and
- We do offer the mute / ban option (even if some of you believe that this feature could be improved upon - in which case, I am happy to share your suggestions with my colleagues).
- We also have the option to entirely prevent grey users from chatting at all.
- Additionally, models always have the option to start a group or ticket show if they want to do something away from the non-paying users' eyes.
- Of course, models can encourage users with tokens to take them private to see more.
- If a model wants to be extra cautious, they can turn off the ability for the user to record the private, and turn off the ability for other users to spy on the regular private (or they can charge tokens for these options - that is up to the model).

By contrast, a Premium site is a paid-only product from the start. For a user to see anything, they have to pay first. This might be a more comfortable option for models seeking more privacy / anonymity from the actual site they are on. However, with most Premium sites, you have to bring in all your own traffic somehow - through socials, advertising, attending live events, etc.

 

[Stella_SC]

@Natural9

It's funny they complain about an invisible "ultimate" user but not about all of the anonymous users watching them on affiliate sites that cannot and will not ever tip them.

I believe you are referring to our White Labels? Our White Labels works exactly like Stripchat itself. Users can buy and tip models from that site too - for example, XHamsterLive.

Then there is the pirate sites who somehow mysteriously record every model on every site, public and private shows. Seems to me some of these affiliate sites are either the ones recording or allowing someone to record everything.

Again do you mean our White Labels? Because the statement is not true - White Labels are not the ones recording models. Models themselves can even turn on recordings for public and private shows. But recordings that get uploaded to pirate sites can be taken down through our DMCA box on the models page. Models who need assistance with this are welcome to contact me directly.