5 things that I hate in privates

[GingerOwnsChris]

First of all, models, please hold your breath and resist the urge to kick me in the groin. This post is not to criticize anybody or to give universal advice on how to do your job. I meant this post as a exchange of information; you see, I have had a few helpful revelations reading the ACF, and learned some things about models that I never imagined are true. I thought I would post my opinion and, maybe, some models will find it informative and, possibly, make a few more bucks thanks to it (or a few more thousand, why not). After all, we are men and you are women; we do not always understand each other, but it is helpful to be aware of the differences.

What I hate in a private, and yet even very professional models often do it:

1. Removing your face from the frame.
I am paying you now because I am attracted to you and I need to see that you are doing it for me. So please baby, keep your face in the camera frame. If I wanted to see boobs, I'd go on pornhub for free.

2. Getting rid of clothes in the first 10 seconds.
Ok, I know that some members complain when you take forever to get naked. But in some of my best privates, clothes came off toward the end. After all, once your clothes are off, there is not much more that you can offer besides showing me your liver. I like undressing to be a part of the game. And, girl, I do appreciate how you look tonight, so I actually like you in your clothes.

3. Pussy close-up.
I know that showing your pussy on cam was a big deal for you, but guess what? I am not interested. Only with a handful of people and only when the moment is right, do I like to stare directly at genitalia. In most cases, having only your butt hole or pussy in the frame is a turn-off. The lesson is: ask before we go, or listen to what I ask of you (that is, plz bb).

4. Being too far from the camera.
Even if you have top-of-the line camera, professional lighting lighting and enterprise-grade Internet connection, the streaming quality is generally crappy once it goes through the cam site. I understand that you want to show your whole magnificent body, but when you are too far, I don't see your skin, which makes the whole exercise somewhat pointless. Maybe it's just me, so — ask.

5. Lying on your back when you get to business.
I know that you are most comfortable when you lie on your back, exposing your tender parts to the cam and to your touch. However, this is probably the most unflattering and unexciting pose that you can be in when we do it. If you really want to perform a show, please give up some comfort and treat me to something more sexy.

Once again, this is an opinion of just one man. But if you found my tastes counter-intuitive, surprising or appalling, it means that I have achieved my goal. The only universal message that I dare to transmit in this post is: communication is the only way to understand what the other person wants. Thank you for reading, and happy wanking!

 

[Shaun__]

1. Removing your face from the frame.

It dehumanizes things if I can not see her face, and makes me worry the model thinks I am only attracted to various bits of her and not her as a person. I also worry she is making faces at the computer, when out of frame.

 

[Poker_Babe]

I did not find your post to be offensive at all, but I will say that everyone likes different things. Just about everyone likes to see the girls face though. But Some like it when the girl is catering more to the member's fantasy, and some want to see whatever it is that the girl likes the best to truly "get her off".

 

[mynameisbob84]

Point 1., I would imagine, is pretty universal. Most (if not all) guys would wanna see the girl's face. Points 2. through 5. though, I'd say are personal preference and will vary from member to member.

But you're absolutely right about communication being key. If you don't tell the model what you like and how you like it, you can't then be disappointed that you didn't get what you wanted.

 

[Crumb]

I'm going to have to agree with some points made here...

1. you don't know how many times I have to ask a model to pan up the cam to include her face. seeing O-face is important yo.

2. all depends on my mood. some take their time, others realize that privates are expensive and get buck naked as fast as possible.

3. pussy close up's are not my favourite. i'm a boob and butt man, the only time I like being that close to vag is when I can actually touch the vag.

5. contrary to gingerownschris, I'm of the opinion that flat on your back, spead eagle to the cam is to cater to us and is not your favourite or most comfortable position in which to play. I can't help but think that if you were not on cam, you'd be in some other position.

 

[Evvie]

First of all, models, please hold your breath and resist the urge to kick me in the groin. This post is not to criticize anybody or to give universal advice on how to do your job. I meant this post as a exchange of information; you see, I have had a few helpful revelations reading the ACF, and learned some things about models that I never imagined are true. I thought I would post my opinion and, maybe, some models will find it informative and, possibly, make a few more bucks thanks to it (or a few more thousand, why not). After all, we are men and you are women; we do not always understand each other, but it is helpful to be aware of the differences.

What I hate in a private, and yet even very professional models often do it:

1. Removing your face from the frame.
I am paying you now because I am attracted to you and I need to see that you are doing it for me. So please baby, keep your face in the camera frame. If I wanted to see boobs, I'd go on pornhub for free.

I have the most requests to keep my face in the frame, but I believe some men don't realize how difficult it is to keep everything in the picture. Depending on the pose they want I will likely have to be performing mild contortion to keep my various polarities seen on cam.

2. Getting rid of clothes in the first 10 seconds.
Ok, I know that some members complain when you take forever to get naked. But in some of my best privates, clothes came off toward the end. After all, once your clothes are off, there is not much more that you can offer besides showing me your liver. I like undressing to be a part of the game. And, girl, I do appreciate how you look tonight, so I actually like you in your clothes.

I'd recommend to any model not to quickly take off her clothes, although that's just more of a smart business move.

3. Pussy close-up.
I know that showing your pussy on cam was a big deal for you, but guess what? I am not interested. Only with a handful of people and only when the moment is right, do I like to stare directly at genitalia. In most cases, having only your butt hole or pussy in the frame is a turn-off. The lesson is: ask before we go, or listen to what I ask of you (that is, plz bb).

I am hoping you mean to say "having your butt hold or pussy filling up the frame is a turn-off, otherwise I am beginning to suspect you enjoy mostly asexual privates.

4. Being too far from the camera.
Even if you have top-of-the line camera, professional lighting lighting and enterprise-grade Internet connection, the streaming quality is generally crappy once it goes through the cam site. I understand that you want to show your whole magnificent body, but when you are too far, I don't see your skin, which makes the whole exercise somewhat pointless. Maybe it's just me, so — ask.

At this point I more suspect you prefer non-sexual privates? If you want to always see the model's face, not the genitalia, and don't want her to move far enough back so you can see her face and her body at the same time, it seems kind of hard for a model to do... things.

5. Lying on your back when you get to business.
I know that you are most comfortable when you lie on your back, exposing your tender parts to the cam and to your touch. However, this is probably the most unflattering and unexciting pose that you can be in when we do it. If you really want to perform a show, please give up some comfort and treat me to something more sexy.

I am comfortable with the fact that some members do not desire the model to have fun (id est, pleasure herself) so I take no issue with not wanting a model to be in a position she enjoys. Personally, solo-missionary is the only position in which I get off masturbating, and members requesting more of a 'show' is why I rarely have the opportunity to have orgasms on cam.

Once again, this is an opinion of just one man. But if you found my tastes counter-intuitive, surprising or appalling, it means that I have achieved my goal. The only universal message that I dare to transmit in this post is: communication is the only way to understand what the other person wants. Thank you for reading, and happy wanking!

I'm a bit stressed out right now so I've got my meanie-pants on, but what you are saying is hardly revolutionary. I've engaged in many privates where the member wanted the exact opposite of everything you have said. I don't really think a guy posting his own personal preferences about a private is 'appalling', it's just what you like. The only thing that irks me is you suggest that if we are imbued with your personal preferences, we will make hundreds (or thousands) more a day or whatever. I don't really think your wank experience on the other side of the screen is worth that, unfortunately.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Everyone is different.

It's very simple to get these things - tell the model!

I have sooo many pvts that are the exact opposite "please do not take half the pvt getting undressed"
"Please show your pussy close up"
"lay on your back and take it!!"

Communication is absolutely everything you are right. Your tastes... really dont matter. Everyone is different. Just how you tell the model what they are matters

 

[AliceDoe]

Many of the things you mention that you want are not what the general pvt-buyer wants - at least not the ones I get.

I'm not going to go into details, but I'll just say this: Tell the model what you want! I ask members what kind of show they'd like if they ask for a pvt, and many times I don't get a very specific answer, so I just tell them to holla at me if they want something during the show and then do a basic show that most guys have liked. If a model is not doing what you want her to do - it's probably because you haven't told her what you want. She can't read your mind!

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

In no way did I mean what I want is somehow representative of the general population; in fact, I meant to illustrate the opposite: that there are a number of details that needs to be settled with the model for a good show, because nobody can read my mind.

To be honest, I started this thread to give a different angle to the discussion on spontaneous versus scripted shows in this thread: http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8465. There, I got many a frown for being too specific about my requests. Here, everybody agrees that communication is key.

And maybe I am a bit mad at myself for recently baiting on a model's words "no, you can't PM me, you will tell me in private". Unacceptable, Chris. You should have known better. :crybaby:

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

I've engaged in many privates where the member wanted the exact opposite of everything you have said. I don't really think a guy posting his own personal preferences about a private is 'appalling', it's just what you like. The only thing that irks me is you suggest that if we are imbued with your personal preferences, we will make hundreds (or thousands) more a day or whatever.

Evvie, please re-read the paragraph that you were replying to. I was not imposing my preferences on anybody; in fact, I was making the exact opposite point. To paraphrase, "listen to what the member wants, because everybody is different":

Once again, this is an opinion of just one man. But if you found my tastes counter-intuitive, surprising or appalling, it means that I have achieved my goal. The only universal message that I dare to transmit in this post is: communication is the only way to understand what the other person wants.

And why I am making such a big deal out of this textbook fact is in my post above. Thank you and sorry for making you reach for your meanie pants, that was not intended.

 

[mynameisbob84]

To be honest, I started this thread to give a different angle to the discussion on spontaneous versus scripted shows in this thread: http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8465. There, I got many a frown for being too specific about my requests. Here, everybody agrees that communication is key.

I don't think you were frowned upon in that thread, sir. A few models stated they wouldn't feel comfortable with that many specific requests. But everybody's always agreed that communication is key (as far as I can tell). Even if a model wouldn't be prepared to do what you ask of them (as far as a script goes), you still need to communicate your request to them, so they can tell you that much.

 

[HoldItNow]

I've engaged in many privates where the member wanted the exact opposite of everything you have said. I don't really think a guy posting his own personal preferences about a private is 'appalling', it's just what you like. The only thing that irks me is you suggest that if we are imbued with your personal preferences, we will make hundreds (or thousands) more a day or whatever.

Evvie, please re-read the paragraph that you were replying to. I was not imposing my preferences on anybody; in fact, I was making the exact opposite point. To paraphrase, "listen to what the member wants, because everybody is different":

Once again, this is an opinion of just one man. But if you found my tastes counter-intuitive, surprising or appalling, it means that I have achieved my goal. The only universal message that I dare to transmit in this post is: communication is the only way to understand what the other person wants.

And why I am making such a big deal out of this textbook fact is in my post above. Thank you and sorry for making you reach for your meanie pants, that was not intended.

Do you really not notice the way you structured your posts?

 

[LiciousLily]

I like a lot of communication and fulfilling the viewer's fantasy. That is what privates are usually for, right? But in my experience in premium(group-ish) chats....seriously, like 90% of the men want me to rip my clothes off fast. My major seller is my ass, but I get MANY requests to lay on my back . and they LOVE the penetration close-ups. Really though, group/premium chats are kind of made to just be pleasing yourself...or only taking requests on a first come/first served basis or with tips if it is MFC.

I think that is why I raised my price on premiums to 12.99 though, to defer those kind of privates so I could be one-on-one in exclusive a lot more. Premium chats can be insane. . too many members wanting different kinds of things... I think one-on-one is the way to go..along with clear interaction to make sure both parties are happy!

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

I don't think you were frowned upon in that thread, sir.

I was not? :liar:

Do you really not notice the way you structured your posts?

Huh?

I am getting too old for Internet conversations...

 

[Teagan]

I dont really look at this as a guideline of what to do or not do in private. Like stated every one has different tastes. Ive been told to slowly take off clothes, to rip them off before the private is even initiated to save time. Ive been told to zoom as close as possible to zoom out as far back as possible. Ive been told to keep face in frame to not do so. And ive been told to stay in missionary to get in some impossible to do positions. LOL.

I think basically whats important is to always keep in mind models that each guys wants something different. And members need to keep in mind that we dont have magical powers to read your mind. A 2 minute convo simply stating what you would like beforehand will get you exactly what you want, or on the process of finding a model who can.

As for models who refuse to pm about a private i see both sides of it. Sometimes guys will talk endlessly about the private with no actual intention of ever taking us there, theyre getting off on the talking part. Its a time waster for us. So a lot just dont want to. But on the members side saying youll only talk in private about a private is a waste of the members tokens if youre unwilling or unable to do what they have in mind.
I try to saddle things for both. If a member wants to talk about a private i allow him, if it goes on for to long and hes getting into things like "Baby tell me what youre gonna do with x while I y," i cut it off and stop responding. If hes just "Id like you to use x, while in doggy, and zoomed in please," then those guys i know just arent getting off on talking. They have intent. Then i can tell him if im willing or let him know if i cant and not waste his time or tokens.

 

[KristinKervz]

Thank you for sharing your opinions and stressing the fact that these are things that YOU dislike, not that everyone dislikes. I must say I wish that more of my members liked to take their time like you do. Usually, as soon as I enter a private, I try being sweet and doing the whole "How are you, what's your name" thing... but I usually end up getting a response that is something along the lines of "good hru bb? Tits out plz. I want see u cum." So I feel pressured to hurry up and strip since most of the cheap asses I get will leave if I don't do it fast enough

Just out of curiosity, what position do you like the girl to be in? Making requests for certain positions is fine, just try to keep in mind that most girls need to be comfortable if you want them to cum. Even if we look comfortable, we might not be. We're good at faking that stuffz

 

[JenniCooper]

1. Removing your face from the frame.

2. Getting rid of clothes in the first 10 seconds.

3. Pussy close-up.

4. Being too far from the camera.

5. Lying on your back when you get to business.

I can appreciate this list as a reminder to models that what one member enjoys, another may not. When in doubt, don't assume what he likes, ask!

But on the other side of it, the member is certainly free to ask a model in advance what he might expect in her show or if he has any specific requests, to let them be known.

Personally, I rather get that sorted out before the private even begins. During a private, I enjoy a little talk (my cyber version of foreplay) before I get naked and such... I like to create as natural of an experience as I can in a private show, and yes that means you see my face, as you would if you were with me in person.... And hopefully maybe I see yours, that's just a bonus!

But anyway, just like you boys, each of us girls are different and enjoy doing things in our own unique little ways. I think finding out if someone is on the same page as you before the show starts is a great idea.

If I don't think I can offer the guy what he is looking for, I encourage him to find another lovely lady to fulfill his desires, because the Internet is full of all different kinds of loveliness

 

[Mirra]

1. Removing your face from the frame.

Sometimes it's inevitable but by and large I'm of this opinion too.

2. Getting rid of clothes in the first 10 seconds.

10 seconds? Fair enough. The process being started within the first couple minutes is important to me though. When I go to private, it's very much for the carnal pleasures and I am no rich man so patience isn't always something I can afford. Teasing is good and teasing is nice but I can get teasing from most models for a nice tip with a request in the tip note. Other guys may like that. Definitely needs to be communicated I guess. I've had one private where I finally had to just bail on a girl because she was 9 minutes into the private and she may have actually been more dressed than she started.

3. Pussy close-up.

I could see some guys liking a private full of pussy close up and I can also see it being nice for a few moments but over all I'm in the same boat here.

4. Being too far from the camera.

Seems a bit of a no-brainer to me but I'll take this moment to point out an observation. There's a fine line you're walking here. Too close and you have nothing but closeups of naughty stuff. Not far enough and it will be difficult to have her face in the shot with the rest of her body. Not to mention your next point strikes down one of the easiest positions with which to meet your previous preferences. Glad you have such defined desires though. I suspect an indecisive premium for a private can be a bit annoying for models.

5. Lying on your back when you get to business.

It is one of the best positions to get maximum naughty bits and face into a shot. I personally don't find anything wrong with it. I do appreciate some other poses especially some of those that accentuate the magnificent curves so many of these lovely women are graced with.

Once again, this is an opinion of just one man. But if you found my tastes counter-intuitive, surprising or appalling, it means that I have achieved my goal. The only universal message that I dare to transmit in this post is: communication is the only way to understand what the other person wants. Thank you for reading, and happy wanking!

Communication is definitely an important thing when your tokens are concerned. For me, the communication is less to satisfy some scripted or directed show that I want to see though. I've developed a few key things I'll discuss with the model before a private and I do my best to interact during the private because I know most models don't like the feeling of getting no response from what they're doing... but largely I'm often looking for something a bit on the voyeur side of things. The most important factors for me in the end are that the model do what she would find most pleasing and I try to give her a gauge on the length of the private because I would feel quite rude to leave a model with the female equivalent of blue balls.

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

shit, this message was submitted before it was ready... still working

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

Just out of curiosity, what position do you like the girl to be in? Making requests for certain positions is fine, just try to keep in mind that most girls need to be comfortable if you want them to cum. Even if we look comfortable, we might not be. We're good at faking that stuffz

Was I just asked by a hot girl to describe my favorite positions? I love ACF

Frankly, the positions that I find arousing are positions for couples, and they don't translate well to solo play. However, it worked just fine when the girls switched positions: first, they treated me to some play in a position that I requested, and then moved into more comfortable ones to come. I was lucky to deal with honest models, who just admitted that they are uncomfortable, instead of faking it.

Here is what I think looks great:

1. Good old doggy, except that one hand is busy with a vibrator. I imagine, very uncomfortable, but the curves... One girl managed to pull this off while facing the camera, and I watched the recording in the MFC archive at least 10 times.


2. Kneeling down (or sitting on her thighs), using one hand to hold a toy or play with her clitoris, and another hand stroking her breasts or legs. Looks great from any angle, and, perhaps, the only position to show off a woman's back, which is a very sexual body part, albeit rarely flaunted in cam shows. Never seen anybody to come in it, though.


3. Kneeling down, resting on both hands placed ahead of her, and riding a hands-free toy. The catch is — she needs a hands-free toy. Always wanted to try using a pillow+vibrator combo for that, much like in the snapshot below. Anyone up to it?


4. If there is a model who can pull this off in solo play with a hands-free toy, you just got yourself a show and a fan for life:

 

[legmanct]

For me one of the things I HATE in private are ladies who don't read the screen.

She says "Do you want me to undress baby"

I reply back "yes but please keep on the stockings and heels."

Then the first thing she removes is her stockings and high heels. Thats normally when I hit the end private button.

 

[Shaun__]

For me one of the things I HATE in private are ladies who don't read the screen.

She says "Do you want me to undress baby"

I reply back "yes but please keep on the stockings and heels."

Then the first thing she removes is her stockings and high heels. Thats normally when I hit the end private button.

Next time tell her to leave her stockings and heels on, but remove everything else. She is seeing the yes, so putting it first is causing unnecessary problem for you.

 

[LadyLuna]

Depends on what I have on, but getting underwear past shoes is usually a problem.

If someone says "yes but keep the stockings and heels" in one line, I get it, and will say "I might have to take the heels off to get the rest off, but I can put them back on real quick". Then I'll get to it.

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

Depends on what I have on, but getting underwear past shoes is usually a problem.

Damn! I keep forgetting how complicated being a girl is.

 

[MadJohnson]

2. Kneeling down (or sitting on her thighs), using one hand to hold a toy or play with her clitoris, and another hand stroking her breasts or legs. Looks great from any angle, and, perhaps, the only position to show off a woman's back, which is a very sexual body part, albeit rarely flaunted in cam shows. Never seen anybody to come in it, though.

I just watched Le_Lea cum in this position a few minutes ago, and it's pretty damned sexy.

That said, I'm not sure why it would be difficult to cum in this position? It's essentially cowgirl, but solo.

 

[Evvie]

2. Kneeling down (or sitting on her thighs), using one hand to hold a toy or play with her clitoris, and another hand stroking her breasts or legs. Looks great from any angle, and, perhaps, the only position to show off a woman's back, which is a very sexual body part, albeit rarely flaunted in cam shows. Never seen anybody to come in it, though.

I just watched Le_Lea cum in this position a few minutes ago, and it's pretty damned sexy.

That said, I'm not sure why it would be difficult to cum in this position? It's essentially cowgirl, but solo.

Generally speaking, when it cums to women (see what I did there?!?!) orgasms often derive from angles, pressure, and what area of the genitalia are being stimulated. Just because a masturbation position is akin to a sex position doesn't mean it is pleasing or orgasmic to every woman.

For me, when I do cowgirl, if I'm using any toy it's gong straight up to bonk on my cervix, which feels nice but it's not going to make anything happen. There is simply no room (for me) to angle a toy so it hits my g-spot. The only reason it works for me during sex is because I can bend forward and move around.

If I use fingers, on the other hand (which some members are not satisfied with; they think it's too 'basic' I suppose), I'll totally squirt all over the place in this position and have amazing orgasms. So it varies.

 

[alexa7]

I think that this goes for many women, but for me to be able to cum, i need to be relaxed, not tense. You want natural, well natural for alot of us is on our backs and stimulating what needs to be stimulated for us to achieve an orgasm. 98% of the privates I get want missionary or doggy, in which a good camera angle comes into play so it looks like its pov but you can see my face, boobies, ect. Its all in the way that we work what we have, and alot of us like to pick positions that flatter us and make us feel confident. I know that when guys want to see me certain ways that I feel might show a few flaws, it hinders me a bit. I wish some of you knew what it was like on the other side. I do agree with most of your statements about showing face, and all that, because there is nothing better than a good "O" face.

 

[Anonymous]

I hate it when a guy claims he "just wants you to enjoy yourself" in a private session, but then he starts telling you to get into a weird position AND "masturbate hard" that way. Sorry, but laying on my belly with ankles crossed while using a glass toy HARD does not feel good to me at all.

 

[jennavalentine]

Everyone is different.

It's very simple to get these things - tell the model!

I have sooo many pvts that are the exact opposite "please do not take half the pvt getting undressed"
"Please show your pussy close up"
"lay on your back and take it!!"

Communication is absolutely everything you are right. Your tastes... really dont matter. Everyone is different. Just how you tell the model what they are matters

yes! this is why i ASK guys to ask me first for a private. i need them to communicate to me. i've gotten into a private before where a guy didn't even read my minimum and then asked me to do anal then i said i don't do that and he left. this has happened SO many times.
i've had a long private where i don't take off my clothes til the last minute, i've had a long private where the guy wants me naked right away. everyone is totally different! this seems to be your ideal private which is great - but it's not for every guy.

 

[AngelaWhite]

3. Kneeling down, resting on both hands placed ahead of her, and riding a hands-free toy. The catch is — she needs a hands-free toy. Always wanted to try using a pillow+vibrator combo for that, much like in the snapshot below. Anyone up to it?

LMFAO! I was surprised to come into the thread and see myself riding a pillow!