AI Porn

[MarieElise]

Anyone buying a lot of AI generated porn? If so, how are you finding it?

In general, what are people's thoughts on it? Everywhere has the AI pop ups now, design your own girlfriend/ pornos etc

Has anyone else actually tried it? Please share info, thoughts, and opinions. I find it super interesting. I've wanted to get into animation etc for a long time. And this kind of seemed like a good cross over. However, it wasn't quite what my naive mind expected. I've been really digging generating clips with special effects etc, and most of those employ AI in their generation. But they go off of footage I have shot. At least the way I'm doing them anyway.

I signed up for a service myself the other week, and spent a ton of money and time, to get barely what ended up being 2 mins of subpar footage. None of my own footage, or even based off of my own footage, entirely AI generated. Has anyone else had a better experience? If so, where? How? What are thoughts in general?

The ethics is super tricky on it. Because you can tell AI to pop a person in your scene, and it seems like its a made up person. But was it based on a real person? C4S tried to tell me with a clip the other day, that an AI generated arm needed an ID and 2257, because it was based off of a real person's arm. Seemed a stretch. Whoever works weekends compliance there is mental, but I digress. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say I need 1000s of ID s for that, and 1000s of 2257s? I mean, if we are going to be that anal and specific?

I'll attach pics of the AI arm (s) in question, as well as clothed AI me, so you guys can see what I mean/ get a taste of it. One one side it's pretty fascinating and cool.

 

[Smoothie]

AI is an interesting one from a legal perspective. IMO. Everything AI knows is based on learnings from existing sources, right? So for porn, can we assume any AI-generated people in pornographic situations are based (at least a little bit) on real people, past or present? People that may have no idea an AI engine is using their image to make porn?

I’m not a big AI user so I may be wrong, but that’s the impression I was under.

ETA: and I just saw your AI porn thread, which is probably where I should have posted this comment. Oops!

Quoting my comment from the other thread, because I realized after the fact that this thread was a much more relevant place for it.

 

[MarieElise]

Whoops missed the cutoff by seconds.

Here's AI me (based off of real me, sitting in the same outfit in a similar position. But the hands... the hands just came out of nowhere?
To me they look like cartoon hands, good cartoon hands, but still cartoon hands.
Blows my mind. The hands and the glasses just appeared. The same can happen with whole people and whole faces, which is where the ethics comes in.
Especially in porn.

 

[Garduskippa]

When shall the first AI model live start on CB or SC? Is that allowed?
That is a lot of computing power. Says the nerd in me.
So people think she is resl.
That can be a token extractor.
Reacts to chat etc etc...

 

[Vixxen81]

When shall the first AI model live start on CB or SC? Is that allowed?
That is a lot of computing power. Says the nerd in me.
So people think she is resl.
That can be a token extractor.
Reacts to chat etc etc...

You must not be familiar with Projekt_Melody and that was five years ago.

 

[MarieElise]

Yep there's already been kinda AI models for a while. On SM too.
A lot of AI porn seems to be doing really well on the main clip sites. I mean, entirely AI-generated. So I'm curious how guys are finding that?

 

[Smoothie]

You must not be familiar with Projekt_Melody and that was five years ago.

Yet another example of adult content being an early adopter of a new-ish technology.

 

[Garduskippa]

You must not be familiar with Projekt_Melody and that was five years ago.

I know Project_melody
That is more "game" like looks not real.
I mean looks very real, so real that viewers thinks that is a real live model.

 

[Smoothie]

Strictly speaking as a consumer with my own personal preferences: the AI would have to be so good that it was almost indistinguishable from the real thing, or else I’d have trouble enjoying it.

So far, what I’ve seen isn’t really on that level yet. Although, to be fair, I haven’t gone in search of really good stuff either. Maybe it’s out there and I just don’t know yet.

 

[Vixxen81]

I know Project_melody
That is more "game" like looks not real.
I mean looks very real, so real that viewers thinks that is a real live model.

That will probably never happen due to verification laws for cam sites.

 

[MarieElise]

Strictly speaking as a consumer with my own personal preferences: the AI would have to be so good that it was almost indistinguishable from the real thing, or else I’d have trouble enjoying it.

So far, what I’ve seen isn’t really on that level yet. Although, to be fair, I haven’t gone in search of really good stuff either. Maybe it’s out there and I just don’t know yet.

Some of what I found is pretty close to perfect. It concerns me not so much from an ethical production perspective, but more from how this is going to affect the body image of young people. These models are designed to be flawless, and extremely visually appealing. If people get too used to that, will they still be able to have sex with real humans and actually get off with the lights on? I like that our beauty ideals have shifted, but they are still very unrealistic. And mainly only achievable through surgery now, whereas before it was through restricted eating.

I am just very worried about the effect it's going to have on the mental health and body image of first women, then probably men, as more AI male porn characters get made.
As I experience, every live stream I do, a lot of people base their real life sexual expectations off of completely contrived porn scenes, and very unrealistic narratives. This kinda takes that to a whole new, and possibly, an even more dangerous level.

 

[Smoothie]

Some of what I found is pretty close to perfect. It concerns me not so much from an ethical perspective, but more from how this is going to effect the body image of young people. These models are designed to be flawless, and extremely visually appealing. If people get too used to that, will they still be able to have sex with real humans and actually get off with the lights on? I like that our beauty ideals have shifted, but they are still very unrealistic. And mainly only achievable through surgery now, whereas before it was through restricted eating.

I am just very worried about the effect it's going to have on the mental health and body image of first women, then probably men, as more AI male porn characters get made.
As I experience, every live stream I do, a lot of people base their real life sexual expectations off of completely contrived porn scenes, and very unrealistic narratives. This kinda takes that to a whole new, and possibly, an even more dangerous level.

I can understand that concern. Particularly among younger folks.

I’m roughly middle aged (to be vague, yet kind of specific). I have years of past experiences that have helped shape my preferences. So the introduction of AI at my age isn’t going to change me very much. But I can’t be confident that younger people, who are just now forming their ideas for what’s sexually appealing, won’t be a bit scarred by AI “perfection.”

 

[Vixxen81]

Oh but this is kind of hilarious -- I typed in AI cam models to google, stripchat came up like 6 times.

 

[MarieElise]

Maybe we will all stop having actual sex with each other.

I just remembered I pulled into a parking lot (middle of a big city) the other day, and a middle-aged man was taking up half the lot, having what looked to be the time of his life! He had one of those VR-looking masks, and some electronics strapped to his wrists, and he looked like he was warding off a full-blown army invasion, with what I perceived to be an invisible sword and shield. I bet that can be done w sex too. Simulations.

 

[Vixxen81]

Maybe we will all stop having actual sex with each other.

I just remembered I pulled into a parking lot (middle of a big city) the other day, and a middle-aged man was taking up half the lot, having what looked to be the time of his life! He had one of those VR-looking masks, and some electronics strapped to his wrists, and he looked like he was warding off a full-blown army invasion, with what I perceived to be an invisible sword and shield. I bet that can be done w sex too. Simulations.

Never seen Demolition Man?

 

[AmberCutie]

Maybe we will all stop having actual sex with each other.

I just remembered I pulled into a parking lot (middle of a big city) the other day, and a middle-aged man was taking up half the lot, having what looked to be the time of his life! He had one of those VR-looking masks, and some electronics strapped to his wrists, and he looked like he was warding off a full-blown army invasion, with what I perceived to be an invisible sword and shield. I bet that can be done w sex too. Simulations.

Have you ever used one of the VR gaming headsets to see what it’s like?

It’s something hard to explain unless you’ve experienced it. I bet that guy was having the battle of his life in some very realistic looking dungeon game.

 

[MarieElise]

Have you ever used one of the VR gaming headsets to see what it’s like?

I have for a very brief time, but I got really motion sick, and pretty much took it off right away before I barfed.
(I was on an imaginary rollercoaster).

It’s something hard to explain unless you’ve experienced it. I bet that guy was having the battle of his life in some very realistic looking dungeon game.

I watched him in awe for a short time, and it seemed like something like that was going on. He had a friend with him without any electronics, I assume, to make sure he didn't head out into busy traffic or anything. Which was probably smart, because as it was, he was up and down like half the lot It was like 1pm and they were both in dressing gowns. Something told me that had been a very long war, that had been going on for quite a while.

 

[AmberCutie]

I have for a very brief time, but I got really motion sick, and pretty much took it off right away before I barfed.
(I was on an imaginary rollercoaster).

Oh no! Yeah stuff with “locomotion” (where the camera moves without you actually walking forward or whatnot) games make me so barfy. If you ever get the chance again, try something where the only way you move is actually walking around. It helps so much.

It can be such an amazing experience.

 

[AmberCutie]

It can be such an amazing experience

and rounding back to the subject of this thread…. is why I can imagine that there’s a want for AI and VR porn.

 

[MarieElise]

Yeah, I think it's probably a really rewarding form of escapism. It wasn't so much for me when I joined a weird AI porn site; it was pretty much the usual "hey, none of this shit works" experience. But I bet all that technology will become harnessed, in time, to make some really awesome experiences available.

Just what I saw that guy doing alone was awesome. He probably got such a workout from that, and it was probably so healthy and fun at the same time.

That kind of stuff could be used in so many ways in therapy, too. To support people in practicing new skills, in a safe space. Or perhaps expressing themselves artistically in new ways. I mean, the possibilities are endless. Someone like me, who will never set foot in the actual Ocean again, could go ride dolphins or maybe ride their bike underwater. But then truly get benefits from it, for health, and stress relief, that cross over into everyday life too. The possibilities for art are straight-up amazing.

 

[zippypinhead]

What would a person get out of an AI porn site that they couldn't generate on their own? Interactive v-tuber-style roleplay with an AI avatar -- that can't be too far off, right?

I sometimes play around with Stable Diffusion, and I like it as an iterative tool, but I've found that, due to the looping nature of the way the AI "thinks", getting anything refined takes hands-on work on one's own. I think raw AI output is derogatorily referred to as slop for valid reasons. Generative AI really isn't smart enough to do good work on its own. That doesn't mean it doesn't provide material to make good work, but a little bit of skill and effort (and access to photo and/or video editors) are required to turn the half-baked cake into a nice dessert.

I think there's a lot of nice potential for creative and willing people to do some fun things with generative AI tools, especially in the realm of erotica. When creative folk utilize generative AI for creative endeavors, especially when they lean into the uncanny nature of AI output, I find that to be intriguing. (A little aside, is anyone familiar with this youtube channel? I think it's an outstanding example of how to utilize the strengths of generative AI.) But so far, any AI porn I've run across has been generally underwhelming. I'll be first in line for the robosexuality train, but I think it'll take a breakthrough in interactivity to really become something more than the chatbot girlfriends and not-quite-right imagery we have now.

 

[Garduskippa]

Maybe we will all stop having actual sex with each other.

That game is invented by nature, to make offspring.

 

[MarieElise]

What would a person get out of an AI porn site that they couldn't generate on their own? Interactive v-tuber-style roleplay with an AI avatar -- that can't be too far off, right?

I sometimes play around with Stable Diffusion, and I like it as an iterative tool, but I've found that, due to the looping nature of the way the AI "thinks", getting anything refined takes hands-on work on one's own. I think raw AI output is derogatorily referred to as slop for valid reasons. Generative AI really isn't smart enough to do good work on its own. That doesn't mean it doesn't provide material to make good work, but a little bit of skill and effort (and access to photo and/or video editors) are required to turn the half-baked cake into a nice dessert.

I think there's a lot of nice potential for creative and willing people to do some fun things with generative AI tools, especially in the realm of erotica. When creative folk utilize generative AI for creative endeavors, especially when they lean into the uncanny nature of AI output, I find that to be intriguing. (A little aside, is anyone familiar with this youtube channel? I think it's an outstanding example of how to utilize the strengths of generative AI.) But so far, any AI porn I've run across has been generally underwhelming. I'll be first in line for the robosexuality train, but I think it'll take a breakthrough in interactivity to really become something more than the chatbot girlfriends and not-quite-right imagery we have now.

That YouTube channel is interesting and funny. Thanks for sharing

 

[NotYou]

I think with AI models/images you can tell there is something "off" and not "right" compared to real photos/videos (especially videos, those are always funny when AI tries including any limbs).
But if some guys like it, then fine, but is it something you/the models would always let the users/customers know that specific photos/videos are AI, or would there be a warning somewhere to say "some content is AI generated" but won't specify which ones?

I don't think i'd like AI ones, but if a model can at least put up a disclaimer in each post which have the AI, then I'd be more accepting (some definitely can be well done, some are clear AI).

 

[Hildiesub]

I wonder if there's a way to add an AI signature that's hard for humans to detect to a video clip or even a broadcast. Humans won't see them, but the signatures might come in handy in extortion and revenge threats. It would be kind of like an AI digital signature except designed to add small flaws in the background. Then again, soon AI will be so good that no one will trust anything and our verbal denial might be enough. The way I see it AI makes modeling safer because we can always claim AI manipulation if we are ever outed. It will make earning money even more difficult, though, but I'm sure most people want real people not fakes.

 

[MarieElise]

I think with AI models/images you can tell there is something "off" and not "right" compared to real photos/videos (especially videos, those are always funny when AI tries including any limbs).
But if some guys like it, then fine, but is it something you/the models would always let the users/customers know that specific photos/videos are AI, or would there be a warning somewhere to say "some content is AI generated" but won't specify which ones?

I don't think i'd like AI ones, but if a model can at least put up a disclaimer in each post which have the AI, then I'd be more accepting (some definitely can be well done, some are clear AI).

Why do you want a disclaimer? I'm a bit confused and interested on that. Clips with special fx are marked as such. Are you meaning that or something else?

As far as I know a live stream model is either all AI as is obvious, or a live cam model. It's not possible to mix AI special effects in with regular live cam model streams (as far as I know).

 

[Smoothie]

I wonder if there's a way to add an AI signature that's hard for humans to detect to a video clip or even a broadcast. Humans won't see them, but the signatures might come in handy in extortion and revenge threats. It would be kind of like an AI digital signature except designed to add small flaws

I like the rationale behind this idea. But I think the really bad actors using AI would go out of their way to avoid using an AI identifier. This would actually be a good idea for basic AI regulation (a legally mandatory AI identifier within every file), if our leaders were actually interested in regulating AI.