Banned for streaming in my fully fenced backyard.

[hermannBukowski]

I was banned for streaming outdoors, in a private area that I own, that is fully fenced off and totally private

I am a bit confused by this since I see countless people doing it all the time, after I was banned I signed out and scrolled through a few pages and saw 14 people all streaming outside, no different than I was.

I won't post examples that might get other people in trouble, but suffice to say anyone can scroll and see it is common place

Also chaturbate has tags for outside, outdoor and outdoors, which is kinda confusing.

I certainly don't mind stopping steaming outdoors, just wonder if the rules are being enforced fairly, since I see people doing it all the time.
I do wonder what happens to my tokens, does chaturbate keep them(maybe that's why the site admins did this) or do they get refunded to the people who tipped me, or just forever in limbo?

Any sites for steaming that isn't ridiculous with sporadic enforcement of rules?

https://chaturbate.com/tag/outdoor/
https://chaturbate.com/tag/outdoors/
https://chaturbate.com/tag/outside/

 

[hermannBukowski]

Other thought was an admin came into my room on their own time, maybe I didn't give them enough attention or something and now they targeting me?

Like I said, just seems weird since it's so commonplace, and my property is totally fenced off, private and owned by me.

Has anyone had something like that happen to them?

 

[bamdicted]

The answer is that if you want to stream outside you need to have the streaming area approved before the stream.

1. Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from any public place, or from a studio or set that creates the impression that the Independent Broadcaster is in a public place. This prohibition includes, by way of example only, public areas such as beaches, hiking trails, changing rooms, or public restrooms. Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from public or public appearing locations unless they are on private property with the owner's consent, and in an area not visible from any neighboring property. Independent Broadcasters may be required to provide documentation or images to demonstrate that a public appearing location is not actually public.

But as far as I know it is not too late for you to get approval and get re-instated.

 

[hermannBukowski]

The answer is that if you want to stream outside you need to have the streaming area approved before the stream.


But as far as I know it is not too late for you to get approval and get re-instated.

Thanks for the input, I'm honestly not sure. I can't do anything or even cash out my tokens at this point, can't access my profile, can't view cams(if I am logged in), everything just says "account banned"

I was on private property that I own, I obviously consented lol.

I have an 8' foot tall fence around my property that was visible in the stream. So I dunno, not sure why anyone would think it was a public area.

I'm certainly not going to get myself arrested for indecent exposure trying to earn a couple of tokens.

appreciate the response.

 

[MarieElise]

I am a bit confused by this since I see countless people doing it all the time, after I was banned I signed out and scrolled through a few pages and saw 14 people all streaming outside, no different than I was.

1) Not everyone who breaks the rules on these sites gets caught and banned immediately.
2) You don't know, they probably already had theirs cleared.

This has been customary on Streamate, also, for several years now. If you want to stream outdoors in a private space, it has to be cleared by staff first. So this is not some kind of insane rule. We can thank all the dipshits who did shows in coffee shops and public libraries for this one. Sorry if that's harsh, but right from the beginning 10-15 years ago, I saw issues coming with that, and was really shocked sites were allowing those streams. It's just common sense not to do sex shows in public spaces. Not saying OP did anything wrong, fair assumption, just trying to give history on why and when this rule came about, on many of the sites.

There were also new models on SM that would do public shows out on their street, revealing their full addresses and locations, having kids walk in and out of frame. It was crazy. So these rules were put in place, because some people have no common sense.

 

[bamdicted]

I think you should send pictures giving a 360 degree view of the area you want to stream in, to sow Chaturbate that it is not easily accesible from the outside, plus documentation that you own property.

 

[hermannBukowski]

1) Not everyone who breaks the rules on these sites gets caught and banned immediately.
2) You don't know, they probably already had theirs cleared.

This has been customary on Streamate, also, for several years now. If you want to stream outdoors in a private space, it has to be cleared by staff first. So this is not some kind of insane rule. We can thank all the dipshits who did shows in coffee shops and public libraries for this one. Sorry if that's harsh, but right from the beginning 10-15 years ago, I saw issues coming with that, and was really shocked sites were allowing those streams. It's just common sense not to do sex shows in public spaces.

That makes sense, although I read the same rules that bamdicted posted, Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from public or public appearing locations unless they are on private property with the owner's consent, and in an area not visible from any neighboring property

There are no neighboring properties or public areas that can see into my backyard, since there is an 8' fence around the whole property, which was visible in the stream, didn't think it would be an issue. Guess I misinterpreted the rules since you both responded the same way.

So what happens to tokens, do they go back to who tipped me, just stay in limbo forever, chaturbate staff splits it up?

Appreciate the response from the both of you, guess I am sol.

 

[MarieElise]

That makes sense, although I read the same rules that bamdicted posted, Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from public or public appearing locations unless they are on private property with the owner's consent, and in an area not visible from any neighboring property

There are no neighboring properties or public areas that can see into my backyard, since there is an 8' fence around the whole property, which was visible in the stream, didn't think it would be an issue. Guess I misinterpreted the rules since you both responded the same way.

So what happens to tokens, do they go back to who tipped me, just stay in limbo forever, chaturbate staff splits it up?

Appreciate the response from the both of you, guess I am sol.

Ah OK so the wording is ambiguous and totally omits "after staff clearance", so yeah, totally fair assumption on your part.

I would think you would get cleared, and your tokens returned, but it might take some time. Because a human needs to review your case and do that, which can take anywhere from a few days to weeks (from what I've seen here on this forum). Please let us know though, because this is helpful information for all of us.

I really hope that is the outcome for you, because that seems like the only reasonable outcome here.

@punker barbie

@hermannBukowski if you haven't already open up a support ticket with CB immediately, and list the ticket number in this thread. Don't write on it, unless someone writes you back, or you'll keep getting bumped to the back of the line.

 

[hermannBukowski]

Ah OK so the wording is ambiguous and totally omits "after staff clearance", so yeah, totally fair assumption on your part.

I would think you would get cleared, and your tokens returned, but it might take some time. Because a human needs to review your case and do that, which can take anywhere from a few days to weeks (from what I've seen here on this forum. Please let us know though, because this is helpful information for all of us.

I really hope that is the outcome for you, because that seems like the only reasonable outcome here.

I just hope the tokens get returned to those who tip me, not going to chaturbate staff or stuck in limbo forever?!?

the next line of the rules reads. " Independent Broadcasters may be required to provide documentation or images to demonstrate that a public appearing location is not actually public."

Still seems ambiguous to me, "may be requried", I honestly didn't think any reasonable person would think it was a public location, but that's just me, although since you two said basically the same thing feel like I'm screwed on this one, had the rules been worded a little more clearly I wouldn't have even risked it or bothered as this has turned into a hassle.

Live and learn
Thanks again

 

[bamdicted]

I assume that you have appealed the ban, and if you provide them with the documentation I mentioned you have a good chance of being un-banned, as you can see in this recent post:
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/account-banned-streamed-outside.56514/
But you should have a bit of patience as @MarieElise said.

Concerning any tokens that are in an account at the time of getting banned, I believe the policy is that if they are not deemed to be associated with the offence that triggered the ban they will be paid out, and if they are deemed to be associated they are donated to charity, at least some of them donated to Pineapple Support as far as I know.

 

[prizenka]

1) Not everyone who breaks the rules on these sites gets caught and banned immediately.
2) You don't know, they probably already had theirs cleared.

This has been customary on Streamate, also, for several years now. If you want to stream outdoors in a private space, it has to be cleared by staff first. So this is not some kind of insane rule. We can thank all the dipshits who did shows in coffee shops and public libraries for this one. Sorry if that's harsh, but right from the beginning 10-15 years ago, I saw issues coming with that, and was really shocked sites were allowing those streams. It's just common sense not to do sex shows in public spaces. Not saying OP did anything wrong, fair assumption, just trying to give history on why and when this rule came about, on many of the sites.

There were also new models on SM that would do public shows out on their street, revealing their full addresses and locations, having kids walk in and out of frame. It was crazy. So these rules were put in place, because some people have no common sense.

You're damn right. Go to Stripchat and see young models riding a bus or out and about with people around. And the models keep broadcasting and they're not blocked. A lot of people have complained about how this is possible.

 

[MarieElise]

You're damn right. Go to Stripchat and see young models riding a bus or out and about with people around. And the models keep broadcasting and they're not blocked. A lot of people have complained about how this is possible.

Yes, this should not be possible unless the whole thing is a porn set, with everyone being paid and vetted characters/ actors. Very inappropriate and actually sets the individual broadcaster up for a higher risk of a sex attack/ assault/ violence too.

 

[hermannBukowski]

I assume that you have appealed the ban, and if you provide them with the documentation I mentioned you have a good chance of being un-banned, as you can see in this recent post:
https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/account-banned-streamed-outside.56514/
But you should have a bit of patience as @MarieElise said.

Concerning any tokens that are in an account at the time of getting banned, I believe the policy is that if they are not deemed to be associated with the offence that triggered the ban they will be paid out, and if they are deemed to be associated they are donated to charity, at least some of them donated to Pineapple Support as far as I know.

I'v only ever streamed outside once and that was today, and I got in trouble within 15 minutes lol.

You can't cash out unless you are unbanned, so hopefully they unban me and I can still collect, I'll come back and let ya'll know what happens.

I was more annoyed than anything just because I read the same rules you posted before doing it and was planning on getting paid out soon this pay period ending tomorrow, so gotta cancel my plans over this unless it gets resolved today or tomorrow, and it seems more like a slow process. sigh.

Guess I should be annoyed with myself TBH, since you both responded in a similar way.

But even reading the rules right now, seems so ambiguous, "may be required" not "send 15 pictures, and your property deed and a notarized statement", heck I wouldn't have even bothered.

I still don't know how any reasonable person would think it was a public location, but I have learned my lesson.

 

[punker barbie]

Hi @hermannBukowski Support has confirmed that they have received your email and is currently being looked into. We appreciate your patience. Support will get back to you as soon as possible.

 

[darthro]

That makes sense, although I read the same rules that bamdicted posted, Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from public or public appearing locations unless they are on private property with the owner's consent, and in an area not visible from any neighboring property

There are no neighboring properties or public areas that can see into my backyard, since there is an 8' fence around the whole property, which was visible in the stream, didn't think it would be an issue. Guess I misinterpreted the rules since you both responded the same way.

So what happens to tokens, do they go back to who tipped me, just stay in limbo forever, chaturbate staff splits it up?

Appreciate the response from the both of you, guess I am sol.

Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from any public place, or from a studio or set that creates the impression that the Independent Broadcaster is in a public place. This prohibition includes, by way of example only, public areas such as beaches, hiking trails, changing rooms, or public restrooms. Independent Broadcasters may not broadcast from public or public appearing locations unless they are on private property with the owner's consent, and in an area not visible from any neighboring property. Independent Broadcasters may be required to provide documentation or images to demonstrate that a public appearing location is not actually public.

Everyone always seems to miss reading the final sentence. If it says "may" I would treat that as MUST provide documentation. It would stop with any bans for public shows but again I will say "most" new models do not read the rules before starting to stream unfortunately.

I think the word "may" should not be there and it should be "will" or "must provide" instead to clear up any misunderstanding

 

[punker barbie]

Hello @hermannBukowski I have confirmed that the support team has responded to your inquiry. Ticket #24642527