Calif. teacher with past in porn loses appeal

[bob]

Ultimately, things like this do demonise sex. We're telling kids from a young age that sex is bad. When the teacher gets fired because she shot a porno 20 years ago, I'd be very surprised if the parents took their kids aside and explained to them the differences between kinky porno sex and everyday sex between regular couples. It tells kids that the sex industry is an inherently bad thing, and by extension, so is sex. It tells kids that anybody who has sex regularly is a slut, that prostitutes are to be looked down upon, that porn stars are lesser people, that cam girls are whores... and since most of the (recognisable) porn actors are women, there's something to be said for society's anti-porn stance feeding into the misogny that's still a huge part of our culture. Young boys being taught from an early and impressionable age that the women they're jerking off to in their bedrooms are somehow inferior to the rest of society... is it any wonder they grow up not respecting women?

I see your point, but I also think you're way over exaggerating. A lot of women don't like porn/prostitution, a lot of men don't like it either (less though), yet they still enjoy healthy sex lives.
I also don't know what you were taught as a kid, but I was never taught that porn stars/actresses were somehow bad because people liked to wank over them. Just that my mother didn't want me to become one, and that there were a lot of health risks involved.

We're talking about 12-16 year olds, teenagers. I don't know how old you are, but I'm only 22 and can vividly remember being that age, and I still know plenty of kids around that age. They are NOT stupid. They can make their minds up for themselves. What they are is impressionable. They don't need things like porn rubbed in their faces.

You know why a lot of women don't like porn? Because men often set their standards on women they see in porn films. People can say that's not true, but it is. Lads magazines, porn etc, boys are being shown these beautiful women, and are setting unrealistic standards. A lot of teenagers also see stuff in porn and want to do that with the girl. Seeing as a lot of stuff in porn is actually painful to a normal woman/not pleasurable, and often just degrading, not surprising that women aren't that thrilled.
But... teenage girls also become a little bit obsessed with boys. More and more teenage girls are aspiring to be like these women, dressing like them, wearing dreadful amounts of make-up and stuffing their bras, and doing things they wouldn't normally do.
Now, men may like porn, and be very accepting of it, I like porn too, and also accept it, but this is not how I'd like it to be for my children, or in fact any children.
These things aren't demonising sex, they're demonising selling sex/commercialising it.

you're right, izzy....kids aren't stupid....but they are impressionable.
and what impression does this woman losing her appeal leave with them?

that she deserves to forever be a pariah....not because of the choice she made ("we"...aka "society" must be very careful to protect the sanctity of "freedom of choice"), but because we can't ever forget that her choice exists and that she made it (footnote here about the hypocrisy of freedom of choice)...and that -even while a lot of people secretly ENJOY women who make that choice- shhhh, we must protect our smart impressionable children from that secret

and here, you gotta stop and wonder why.....kids are smart and impressionable because they are curious.....and god help us if their curiosity starts asking questions about stuff like this before their training is complete (why do we need gods help to answer those questions?)....how would we ever explain to a bunch of young teens that the exploration of our sexuality intrigues the crap out of us and that it's fun to go on that journey? or that this woman -your science teacher- is a part of that secret which is beyond the scope of your curiosity...instead, we're gonna "impress" you with a code of ethics that will scare you into conformity....even while we secretly enjoy that some of you will be driven to become players helping us act out our "secret"

fortunately, part of that "how to" has been taken out of the hands of those who would tell you how to judge people...
i give you....the internet...ta da.....a place where camland exists "out of the closet" of the "secret" of porn, and where- if this forum and other forums are an accurate indicator- sexuality is both a far more public fun and a far more interactive exploration.

and you know damn well that some of those young teens, curious now about the secret of their science teacher, are gonna go and try and find her....and see an ad for mfc....

and so it goes :whistle:

but porn is just one example of what this medium does to the way we look at the world.......

any wonder why there are so many who want to control it?

 

[camstory]

Ultimately, things like this do demonise sex. We're telling kids from a young age that sex is bad. When the teacher gets fired because she shot a porno 20 years ago, I'd be very surprised if the parents took their kids aside and explained to them the differences between kinky porno sex and everyday sex between regular couples. It tells kids that the sex industry is an inherently bad thing, and by extension, so is sex. It tells kids that anybody who has sex regularly is a slut, that prostitutes are to be looked down upon, that porn stars are lesser people, that cam girls are whores... and since most of the (recognisable) porn actors are women, there's something to be said for society's anti-porn stance feeding into the misogny that's still a huge part of our culture. Young boys being taught from an early and impressionable age that the women they're jerking off to in their bedrooms are somehow inferior to the rest of society... is it any wonder they grow up not respecting women?

I see your point, but I also think you're way over exaggerating. A lot of women don't like porn/prostitution, a lot of men don't like it either (less though), yet they still enjoy healthy sex lives.
I also don't know what you were taught as a kid, but I was never taught that porn stars/actresses were somehow bad because people liked to wank over them. Just that my mother didn't want me to become one, and that there were a lot of health risks involved.

We're talking about 12-16 year olds, teenagers. I don't know how old you are, but I'm only 22 and can vividly remember being that age, and I still know plenty of kids around that age. They are NOT stupid. They can make their minds up for themselves. What they are is impressionable. They don't need things like porn rubbed in their faces.

You know why a lot of women don't like porn? Because men often set their standards on women they see in porn films. People can say that's not true, but it is. Lads magazines, porn etc, boys are being shown these beautiful women, and are setting unrealistic standards. A lot of teenagers also see stuff in porn and want to do that with the girl. Seeing as a lot of stuff in porn is actually painful to a normal woman/not pleasurable, and often just degrading, not surprising that women aren't that thrilled.
But... teenage girls also become a little bit obsessed with boys. More and more teenage girls are aspiring to be like these women, dressing like them, wearing dreadful amounts of make-up and stuffing their bras, and doing things they wouldn't normally do.
Now, men may like porn, and be very accepting of it, I like porn too, and also accept it, but this is not how I'd like it to be for my children, or in fact any children.
These things aren't demonising sex, they're demonising selling sex/commercialising it.

you're right, izzy....kids aren't stupid....but they are impressionable.
and what impression does this woman losing her appeal leave with them?

that she deserves to forever be a pariah....not because of the choice she made ("we"...aka "society" must be very careful to protect the sanctity of "freedom of choice"), but because we can't ever forget that her choice exists and that she made it (footnote here about the hypocrisy of freedom of choice)...and that -even while a lot of people secretly ENJOY women who make that choice- shhhh, we must protect our smart impressionable children from that secret

and here, you gotta stop and wonder why.....kids are smart and impressionable because they are curious.....and god help us if their curiosity starts asking questions about stuff like this before their training is complete (why do we need gods help to answer those questions?)....how would we ever explain to a bunch of young teens that the exploration of our sexuality intrigues the crap out of us and that it's fun to go on that journey? or that this woman -your science teacher- is a part of that secret which is beyond the scope of your curiosity...instead, we're gonna "impress" you with a code of ethics that will scare you into conformity....even while we secretly enjoy that some of you will be driven to become players helping us act out our "secret"

fortunately, part of that "how to" has been taken out of the hands of those who would tell you how to judge people...
i give you....the internet...ta da.....a place where camland exists "out of the closet" of the "secret" of porn, and where- if this forum and other forums are an accurate indicator- sexuality is both a far more public fun and a far more interactive exploration.

and you know damn well that some of those young teens, curious now about the secret of their science teacher, are gonna go and try and find her....and see an ad for mfc....

and so it goes :whistle:

but porn is just one example of what this medium does to the way we look at the world.......

any wonder why there are so many who want to control it?

Yes, and they are going to do it in confusion, feeling it is wrong minded, and something that is really some kind of wrong, because the ppl they look to for guidance are pretending it does not exist, or that it does, but anyone who is connected to it, unless in the damnation of it, has questionable moral qualities, or is of an inferior or undesirable state. So, in this way we continue the dishonest, and unhealthy shame game that is built on 10's of thousands of years of garbage. Human sexuality is the most emotional, and mind blowing shit us thinking apes have been given to try to work out. That we started out thinking about it wrong, and up to 150-200 years ago still had it all wrong, really could have been no other way. But once we started to understand our own thinking/emoting processes, we started to have the misunderstood pieces of the equation. And at this point, its just fucking ridiculous that we persist to think of Human Sexuality in so many unhealthy ways.

 

[LadyLuna]

In order to fix this, we gotta start at the very beginning.

First and foremost is teaching the adults that kids need to have the difference between fantasy and reality explained. It's obvious to adults, so they forget that kids don't know this. Then we need to explain to the kids that most of what is seen on tv and the internet is what adults wish would be true, instead of what is really true. The problem with doing this, is many of the adults nowadays are the ones who as kids were never taught these things. So they themselves don't realize that these things aren't true. Which is why it's important to teach this to the adults as well.

Then we can tackle society's views on sex. But we really need to fix the misunderstandings that arise when people think The Onion is a real news source, and that since it happens in porn the girlfriend should be capable of it.

Yes, we need to get to a place where a porn star can be a teacher. First, we need to get to a place where a teacher doesn't need to be told "if you want sex toys, go shopping in another state." Yes, they seriously tell teachers that.

 

[Anonymous]

It's fucked up.

I remember when an American Idol contestant (a talented female singer named 'Frenchie') was eliminated when they discovered that she had previously posed nude.

 

[camstory]

In order to fix this, we gotta start at the very beginning.

First and foremost is teaching the adults that kids need to have the difference between fantasy and reality explained. It's obvious to adults, so they forget that kids don't know this. Then we need to explain to the kids that most of what is seen on tv and the internet is what adults wish would be true, instead of what is really true. The problem with doing this, is many of the adults nowadays are the ones who as kids were never taught these things. So they themselves don't realize that these things aren't true. Which is why it's important to teach this to the adults as well.

Then we can tackle society's views on sex. But we really need to fix the misunderstandings that arise when people think The Onion is a real news source, and that since it happens in porn the girlfriend should be capable of it.

Yes, we need to get to a place where a porn star can be a teacher. First, we need to get to a place where a teacher doesn't need to be told "if you want sex toys, go shopping in another state." Yes, they seriously tell teachers that.

:thumbleft:

Just get frustrated at how slow the pace of basic understanding of some things seems to take. Agreed 100% that it is a cross generational stupidity where many/most of the adults are not much less confused than their children. It is self perpetuating, and I think maybe why it seems to be so slow to change, beyond the fact that any huge, ancient misunderstanding is going to take a long time to work out, is that this one, more than any is so kept in dark secret places. We are programed to not look at it in the light of day, so just to holding it up to the light and suggest ppl take a better look at it, is to risk being ostracized. That, by its self has always been the price paid by those who openly work to change deep ingrained stupidities. In such cases, lets say for example, half dismiss the reformist cuz witches are fact, and of the other half most have seen some sorta witchy stuff, and heard about lots of for sure witchy shit, and a few consider they were never real sure any of the ones they saw convicted and burned were real witches, so maybe there are no witches, or if there are, maybe they had nothing to do with Thaddious Abel's cow falling over dead or the the lightning that struck the church.

Now with this thing of saying maybe we should all reexamine many of our beliefs, and what we understand or think we understand about our condition as sexual animals, and how the very thing that we think somehow makes us not animals, our intellect, has maybe served to confuse us about how we handle our sexual nature - Well none of that ever gets any consideration, because before you can get that far, so many say 'OMG, I can't believe you have taken that out where others can see, you know that is suppose to stay hidden. If you don't put it away right now, I'll pretend I don't even know you.'

All that, and I am not even any kind of sure it has a thing to do with why this one seems so slow to change, but it seems like it might.

Finally, I understand that there are many who feel the secret/taboo nature of kink/porn,,, is very much a big part of what makes it so thrilling, and I would be a fool to try to form an argument to refute that. But you know what thrills me? When I imagine a reality where Taboo is still just as thrilling as a game that we play out of choice, and there are also so many other thrilling and healthy explorations of our sexual nature. A reality where ppl become sexually enlightened, more sensual, and much better lovers, because its OK for ppl to openly examine and share the ideas of just how you do that. I don't mean to say that I think everything sexual should be be put out on front ST. or that intimacy is unhealthy, or should ever go away. I just think we, (not so much ppl here, but more the uncomfortable brother/sister hood of American prudites), have a whole lot of unhealthy crap we carry in a big sack strapped around our collective neck, that we need to be free of. We need to be free of it because it causes sickness, like the loss of the appeal, of a decision that should have never existed. There was never any wrong done in Oxnard, up to the point someone legitimized the preposterous claim that because someone once made a living in porn, they were no longer fit to teach, and thought that made sense, so she was cast as villain in a trading that had not before been penned. When it is the decision that with out any evidence, "the ongoing availability of her pornographic materials on the Internet will continue to impede her from being an effective teacher and respected colleague," I say the bag of shit under our chin is making US ill.

 

[camstory]

Why people in the U.S. are conditioned to fear sex more than violence is far beyond my understanding & I've lived here my entire life. We must look completely ridiculous to other countries when shit like this happens.

Missed this one the first time through.

 

[camstory]

Woke to what at first I thought were the fragments of some crazy assed dream of a sexual utopia,,, then realized it was a camsantasy I had before I fell asleep, or before I went to bed anyway.

Let me quickly correct my pretentious all knowing self. I think I said I was thrilled to think of a time when ppl could be much more honest about sex/porn/allthatshit. But hey that is not going to happen in my life time if ever. Its a very nice thought, but to be honest, the thought of any sort of sex that involves me and another sentient being thrills me. Not so much of another species, though I have thought fucking a cute unicorn might be nice as long as the glitter didn't cut up my cock too much.

 

[LadyLuna]

Its a very nice thought, but to be honest, the thought of any sort of sex that involves me and another sentient being thrills me. Not so much of another species, though I have thought fucking a cute unicorn might be nice as long as the glitter didn't cut up my cock too much.

This brings up another point.

The entire reason beastiality is wrong is because animals are not sentient creatures, correct? When we come across sentient aliens (because I refuse to believe that we are the only sentient beings in existence), how many people are going to outcry the coupling with them on the grounds of bestiality?

Also, we evolved from creatures that were not sentient. What happens if dogs do become sentient, and become capable of communicating that sentience with us? Would it still be wrong, even if the dog gives his/her consent?

I can't help but wonder about these things.

 

[Nordling]

Its a very nice thought, but to be honest, the thought of any sort of sex that involves me and another sentient being thrills me. Not so much of another species, though I have thought fucking a cute unicorn might be nice as long as the glitter didn't cut up my cock too much.

This brings up another point.

The entire reason beastiality is wrong is because animals are not sentient creatures, correct? When we come across sentient aliens (because I refuse to believe that we are the only sentient beings in existence), how many people are going to outcry the coupling with them on the grounds of bestiality?

Also, we evolved from creatures that were not sentient. What happens if dogs do become sentient, and become capable of communicating that sentience with us? Would it still be wrong, even if the dog gives his/her consent?

I can't help but wonder about these things.

I don't think it'd be wrong--just icky. Same as it's icky for a straight person to envision gay sex, or for a gay person to envision straight sex. Maybe polysexual people are the luckiest.

I just this moment remembered one of Vonnegut's short stories. It had to do with man first encountering an alien, sentient species--they were evolved from canines, and greeted each other by sniffing each other's butts. The United Nations, wanting to send a delegation, and perhaps open an embassy, decided to send perverts, which made them happy, the aliens happy and the pervert haters happy.

 

[curvyredhead]

Why people in the U.S. are conditioned to fear sex more than violence is far beyond my understanding & I've lived here my entire life. We must look completely ridiculous to other countries when shit like this happens.

word

 

[Just Me]

Its a very nice thought, but to be honest, the thought of any sort of sex that involves me and another sentient being thrills me. Not so much of another species, though I have thought fucking a cute unicorn might be nice as long as the glitter didn't cut up my cock too much.

This brings up another point.

The entire reason beastiality is wrong is because animals are not sentient creatures, correct? When we come across sentient aliens (because I refuse to believe that we are the only sentient beings in existence), how many people are going to outcry the coupling with them on the grounds of bestiality?

Also, we evolved from creatures that were not sentient. What happens if dogs do become sentient, and become capable of communicating that sentience with us? Would it still be wrong, even if the dog gives his/her consent?

I can't help but wonder about these things.

I think you are confusing sentience with sapience. Most animals would be considered sentient beings, it is central to the concept of animal rights. The wrong or right of anything is generally based on community and societal standards.

As to the OP, personally I have no issue if a teacher was a sex worker in the past. What I have to question is her judgement, reasoning, lying and attempting to cover it up. She knew her choice of doing porn could affect her career. Yet she still chose to do it. Then tried to hide it. Sadly, the community and society frowns on sex work. She knew this and thought it was worth the risk. Her poor judgement and cover up is what I feel precludes her to continue teaching impressionable children, it doesn't matter to me that it was porn she was doing.

 

[bob]

It's fucked up.

I remember when an American Idol contestant (a talented female singer named 'Frenchie') was eliminated when they discovered that she had previously posed nude.

and if she had won, and reached the promised "idol" status, a part of her marketing as a singer would have some sexuality embedded in it, somewhere....

yep....fucked up :thumbleft:

 

[bob]

As to the OP, personally I have no issue if a teacher was a sex worker in the past. What I have to question is her judgement, reasoning, lying and attempting to cover it up. She knew her choice of doing porn could affect her career. Yet she still chose to do it. Then tried to hide it. Sadly, the community and society frowns on sex work. She knew this and thought it was worth the risk. Her poor judgement and cover up is what I feel precludes her to continue teaching impressionable children, it doesn't matter to me that it was porn she was doing.

The one thing that I can agree with in this is that "she took the risk".....it didn't work out that way she hoped it would, and she paid the price.

But as far as her judgement: there is a pretty good sized chunk of models in camland who chose their job for just the same reason that this woman chose to dabble in porn: she needed the money. They've come to realize that they're sex workers. They accept the reality of their situation, and know full well the risks for them, and for their future. And if they think about it, it makes them really uncomfortable. The few I've known who thought about it too much left camming.

But regardless of their choice, their judgement and their reasoning is not impaired. Some few may choose to leave camming, but far more have chosen to stay, and will do what is necessary to cover it up, including lying if necessary.

Maybe at this point it's worth discussing a more "ideal" situation. One where she was actually fired for lying, rather than for being a sex worker. That's something that might actually impress the kids, reinforcing one of parenting's primary tenets.....tell the truth: there no shame in the truth....the shame is in lying to try and hide it.

But she got fired for something far more vague.....being unable to fulfill her job as a "role model". And the sexual expletive scratched on her classroom window is the clarifying moment in the article about what "role model" means to most people.

Because in our society, there is the itch of outside judgement that creates the "shame in the truth" about sex workers.....it's not so shameful for the person who lived that truth, maybe....but it's shameful for the folks who see their job as creating a system that impressionable kids can respect.

If it weren't, you'd think that after 50 years of sex education, it would be a whole lot more easy for schools and parents and kids to talk about, and have less legal issues surrounding it.

 

[DivSavel]

I completely agree with a lot of people in this thread. It's just previous employment history. It's silly that no matter how intelligent or capable of her new career as a teacher this woman is, all that matters is the fact that the internet has seen her have sex. That act is the reason every one of us exists, it's a source of entertainment, and it has been proven to benefit a person's mental and physical health. Yet we still see nudity and sexuality as disgusting and shameful. It makes absolutely no sense.

The reason these people found her was because that they were fapping in the first place. Come the fuck on. The vast majority of us watch porn in the confines of our own home, yet once we get out into public we shame everyone involved with it (How mature of us!). It's just another case of society judging people for reasons that don't actually affect them. But, as has also been said in this thread: She knew what she was getting into. Yes it's BS and it's unfair but it's a decision anyone who puts their naked body out there has to make and has the potential to regret. If you can't deal with that either scratch "teacher/professor" off of your list of potential careers or don't do it in the first place.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Oxnard: rocking ostracism like it's 1692

 

[Red7227]

I just this moment remembered one of Vonnegut's short stories. It had to do with man first encountering an alien, sentient species--they were evolved from canines, and greeted each other by sniffing each other's butts. The United Nations, wanting to send a delegation, and perhaps open an embassy, decided to send perverts, which made them happy, the aliens happy and the pervert haters happy.

There are a couple Papua New Guinea cultures which greet each other by clutching each other's balls (the boys, the girls get handed around as sex toys). They also ran around naked at the time. The first missionaries found it a rather challenging

 

[Red7227]

I completely agree with a lot of people in this thread. It's just previous employment history. It's silly that no matter how intelligent or capable of her new career as a teacher this woman is, all that matters is the fact that the internet has seen her have sex. That act is the reason every one of us exists, it's a source of entertainment, and it has been proven to benefit a person's mental and physical health. Yet we still see nudity and sexuality as disgusting and shameful. It makes absolutely no sense.

The reason these people found her was because that they were fapping in the first place. Come the fuck on. The vast majority of us watch porn in the confines of our own home, yet once we get out into public we shame everyone involved with it (How mature of us!). It's just another case of society judging people for reasons that don't actually affect them. But, as has also been said in this thread: She knew what she was getting into. Yes it's BS and it's unfair but it's a decision anyone who puts their naked body out there has to make and has the potential to regret. If you can't deal with that either scratch "teacher/professor" off of your list of potential careers or don't do it in the first place.

Apparently its not something a lot of models think about. For example...

"Hey there, I'm Nikki. I'm 21 years old. I'm currently in my last year of college for elementary school special education. Just ask if you want to know more! =]"

 

[Anonymous]

and if she had won, and reached the promised "idol" status, a part of her marketing as a singer would have some sexuality embedded in it, somewhere....

yep....fucked up :thumbleft:

So you're agreeing that it's fucked up she was eliminated, or are you disagreeing (which means you think she should have been eliminated)? Your smiling 'thumb up' emote is confusing me a little.

 

[Nordling]

I'm guessing that he's saying that some things that are negative when we're young and just starting out, become pluses and benefit us when older. A famous singer of many years in the profession may benefit from a little bit of scandal in her youth...adds to her (or his) "legend."

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The reason these people found her was because that they were fapping in the first place. Come the fuck on. The vast majority of us watch porn in the confines of our own home, yet once we get out into public we shame everyone involved with it (How mature of us!). It's just another case of society judging people for reasons that don't actually affect them. But, as has also been said in this thread: She knew what she was getting into. Yes it's BS and it's unfair but it's a decision anyone who puts their naked body out there has to make and has the potential to regret. If you can't deal with that either scratch "teacher/professor" off of your list of potential careers or don't do it in the first place.

Strike 1 she lied on her resume,frankly that in itself reason enough to fire her.
Strike 2, she didn't take sufficient steps to either her change her appearance and/or delete the porn from the web that she got found out. (I.e. if you are going to lie than don't get caught)
Strike 3, the teenage boys she is teaching are absolutely going to distracted by their 32 year old, let assume still hot, teacher. Seeing porn videos of her is going to make pretty much impossible for her to command their respect.

Choices of having consequence if you want to earn the good money you can make in the porn business one of the consequence you are going to have a hard time become a teacher...

 

[Nordling]

You couldn't respect a person who happens to be or was a sex worker?

 

[CallMeWilliam]

In order to fix this, we gotta start at the very beginning.

First and foremost is teaching the adults that kids need to have the difference between fantasy and reality explained. It's obvious to adults, so they forget that kids don't know this. Then we need to explain to the kids that most of what is seen on tv and the internet is what adults wish would be true, instead of what is really true. The problem with doing this, is many of the adults nowadays are the ones who as kids were never taught these things. So they themselves don't realize that these things aren't true. Which is why it's important to teach this to the adults as well.

Then we can tackle society's views on sex. But we really need to fix the misunderstandings that arise when people think The Onion is a real news source, and that since it happens in porn the girlfriend should be capable of it.

Yes, we need to get to a place where a porn star can be a teacher. First, we need to get to a place where a teacher doesn't need to be told "if you want sex toys, go shopping in another state." Yes, they seriously tell teachers that.

I totally agree with this but...

It's hard to teach kids the difference between fantasy and reality when there is a growing population of adults that don't even know the difference either. This based on the young adults that I deal with who are half my age. Talking to them is more like a game / movie / reality TV episode than actual real life where their actions could / can have a consequence, something they never see in any of the three mentioned.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

You couldn't respect a person who happens to be or was a sex worker?

It is irrelevant if as an adult I could or not. I can tell you that as 15 year old,even a nerd who loved science, the odds that I'd paying attention to her description of chemical bonding, and not be thinking of what type of magical chemistry I could make while bonding with her doggy style like I saw in the video are really tiny.

Are you saying being able to watch videos of your high school teacher fucking wouldn't have changed your opinion of her or been a distraction?

 

[Nordling]

You couldn't respect a person who happens to be or was a sex worker?

It is irrelevant if as an adult I could or not. I can tell you that as 15 year old,even a nerd who loved science, the odds that I'd paying attention to her description of chemical bonding, and not be thinking of what type of magical chemistry I could make while bonding with her doggy style like I saw in the video are really tiny.

Are you saying being able to watch videos of your high school teacher fucking wouldn't have changed your opinion of her or been a distraction?

What I'll say is, when I was sixteen years old, or thereabouts, ANY female teacher that did NOT look like Quasimodo would distract me, but and HOWEVER, that distraction did not prevent me from learning from her. Kids are like that--they sponge up information from many sources, sometimes simultaneously, in spite of the many distractions going on in their pants.

My freshman English teacher was rumored to spend her summers at a nudist colony, and "proof" of this was her continuous tan. Was this a distraction? Sure was but I still learned as much from her as I did from Miss Quasimodo down the hall. Maybe because the distraction kept me awake? lol

As far as respect, most boys that age have no concept of respect, maybe having a former adult worker as a teacher could aid in forming such virtues.

 

[Anonymous]

What's up, Quasi!!!

 

[Nordling]

Ha ha ha! Foxie

I do remember one teacher that was not particularly attractive who provided her own form of distraction. lol She was older, way old in fact. lol But she had this habit of about every fifteen minutes or less, she'd reach inside her dress or blouse and adjust her bra strap. Us nasty little boys would make it a point of COUNTING how many times she did this during class and conferring with each other after class to compare notes on our count. :lol:

 

[SoTxBob]

You couldn't respect a person who happens to be or was a sex worker?

It is irrelevant if as an adult I could or not. I can tell you that as 15 year old,even a nerd who loved science, the odds that I'd paying attention to her description of chemical bonding, and not be thinking of what type of magical chemistry I could make while bonding with her doggy style like I saw in the video are really tiny.

Are you saying being able to watch videos of your high school teacher fucking wouldn't have changed your opinion of her or been a distraction?

What I'll say is, when I was sixteen years old, or thereabouts, ANY female teacher that did NOT look like Quasimodo would distract me, but and HOWEVER, that distraction did not prevent me from learning from her. Kids are like that--they sponge up information from many sources, sometimes simultaneously, in spite of the many distractions going on in their pants.

My freshman English teacher was rumored to spend her summers at a nudist colony, and "proof" of this was her continuous tan. Was this a distraction? Sure was but I still learned as much from her as I did from Miss Quasimodo down the hall. Maybe because the distraction kept me awake? lol

As far as respect, most boys that age have no concept of respect, maybe having a former adult worker as a teacher could aid in forming such virtues.

yah, males in general at many ages seem to find the concept of respect a bit challenging, but girls are just as bad in other ways as well.
As to the teacher being able to teach effectively.... In hs my bio teacher was a former playboy model in the 60's. Very cute, late 30's, fake tits, short skirts etc etc... A damn good looking woman no matter the arena. She consistently had the highest percentage of 'A' students in the entire science dept for the district... If anything, her exposure to "that world of PB" gave her the tools to put the lil horndogs in their place and effectively teach them when other subjects teachers were only marginal at it. Mind you, this was a different era in the late 70's. It was before this bullshit politically correct mindset was around. You fucked up in school, you usually got sent to the principals office, got a swat or 2 and sent back to class. The parents were called and informed. End of story. Now its a school cop, frequently a citation and court time along with some blip in a local news media for the same offense. Heaven forbid any school adult should tell lil Jane or Johnny they fucked up and hurt their precious pride and self esteem, let alone touch them.

 

[LadyLuna]

In order to fix this, we gotta start at the very beginning.

First and foremost is teaching the adults that kids need to have the difference between fantasy and reality explained. It's obvious to adults, so they forget that kids don't know this. Then we need to explain to the kids that most of what is seen on tv and the internet is what adults wish would be true, instead of what is really true. The problem with doing this, is many of the adults nowadays are the ones who as kids were never taught these things. So they themselves don't realize that these things aren't true. Which is why it's important to teach this to the adults as well.

Then we can tackle society's views on sex. But we really need to fix the misunderstandings that arise when people think The Onion is a real news source, and that since it happens in porn the girlfriend should be capable of it.

Yes, we need to get to a place where a porn star can be a teacher. First, we need to get to a place where a teacher doesn't need to be told "if you want sex toys, go shopping in another state." Yes, they seriously tell teachers that.

I totally agree with this but...

It's hard to teach kids the difference between fantasy and reality when there is a growing population of adults that don't even know the difference either.

That bold part there takes that into account.

This based on the young adults that I deal with who are half my age. Talking to them is more like a game / movie / reality TV episode than actual real life where their actions could / can have a consequence, something they never see in any of the three mentioned.

just another reason why doing this is so damn vital.

 

[bob]

In order to fix this, we gotta start at the very beginning.

First and foremost is teaching the adults that kids need to have the difference between fantasy and reality explained. It's obvious to adults, so they forget that kids don't know this. Then we need to explain to the kids that most of what is seen on tv and the internet is what adults wish would be true, instead of what is really true. The problem with doing this, is many of the adults nowadays are the ones who as kids were never taught these things. So they themselves don't realize that these things aren't true. Which is why it's important to teach this to the adults as well.

Then we can tackle society's views on sex. But we really need to fix the misunderstandings that arise when people think The Onion is a real news source, and that since it happens in porn the girlfriend should be capable of it.

Yes, we need to get to a place where a porn star can be a teacher. First, we need to get to a place where a teacher doesn't need to be told "if you want sex toys, go shopping in another state." Yes, they seriously tell teachers that.

I totally agree with this but...

It's hard to teach kids the difference between fantasy and reality when there is a growing population of adults that don't even know the difference either. This based on the young adults that I deal with who are half my age. Talking to them is more like a game / movie / reality TV episode than actual real life where their actions could / can have a consequence, something they never see in any of the three mentioned.

what i'm hearing is that we need to teach critical thought and risk assessment......that in a world where fantasy and reality are so intertwined, it's encumbent on EVERYBODY to be able to decide where or when the action is not worth the risk.

there are existing educational programs that actually do this....but they exist outside of "mainstream" education

wow...does THAT sound like a conspiracy theory :lol:
it's not....it's only mean to show that options exist....you just gotta seek them out.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

A bit late to the party but I feel it went a little something like this. "Why are you in porn? Have more respect for yourself, get out there and be somebody!...How dare you try and teach, you used to do porn!" And so we fire people who do try and do more with their lives based on their previous life choices. Delightful.