Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video footage

[LadyLuna]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

Woah yeah exactly, I was talking more for the convicted to be fair
and, if you run for a law enforcement officer, you are probabaly on a hiding to nothing

When you get scared, your body kicks in a "fight or flight" response. Some people are taught to be afraid of the police because of how many policemen abuse their power. These people will run, even if they have done nothing wrong, simply because they think that the police will accuse them of something.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

Woah yeah exactly, I was talking more for the convicted to be fair
and, if you run for a law enforcement officer, you are probabaly on a hiding to nothing

When you get scared, your body kicks in a "fight or flight" response. Some people are taught to be afraid of the police because of how many policemen abuse their power. These people will run, even if they have done nothing wrong, simply because they think that the police will accuse them of something.

In my experience, no, this is wrong! I have had a few dealings with the law, mostly being on the right side and when I have done no wrong, I see no reason to run away, The good old English Bobby will have a chat, and yeh he takes details but if you are clearly innocent you are on your way. Fight or Flight is not a natural reaction to someone upholding the law IMO

 

[LadyLuna]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

Woah yeah exactly, I was talking more for the convicted to be fair
and, if you run for a law enforcement officer, you are probabaly on a hiding to nothing

When you get scared, your body kicks in a "fight or flight" response. Some people are taught to be afraid of the police because of how many policemen abuse their power. These people will run, even if they have done nothing wrong, simply because they think that the police will accuse them of something.

In my experience, no, this is wrong! I have had a few dealings with the law, mostly being on the right side and when I have done no wrong, I see no reason to run away, The good old English Bobby will have a chat, and yeh he takes details but if you are clearly innocent you are on your way. Fight or Flight is not a natural reaction to someone upholding the law IMO

I highlighted the bit that makes your statement moot. Unless you are someone who's had "run from the cops" drilled into you from the time you can understand what those words mean?

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

That's not only a statement on my behalf, that's experience on the streets of Northern England, Ive never ran cos ive never done anything that wrong

You make a massive sweeping statement about Police Officers and expect me to take it as fact? Quoting your own post as the only "fact" is stunningly biased

 

[LadyLuna]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

I'm also talking about the United States.

FACT- in the US, police officers sometimes bully people

FACT- in the US, parents who are criminals tend to teach their kids to run from the police (it's hard to hide things from kids, and kids will talk, so they do this to keep their own asses out of jail)

FACT- if you've been taught all your life to run from the police, your first reaction when a police officer appears is going to be to run

My point here is just because someone runs, doesn't mean they are guilty of anything. Not that everyone runs from the police- I was taught that policemen are our friends and it was reinforced by my interactions with them as a young child, so I don't run from the police. But I understand those who do, even when they've done nothing wrong.

If a person has surrendered, it's bad form to kick them when they're down, even if you had to chase them prior to their surrender.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

I'm also talking about the United States.

FACT- in the US, police officers sometimes bully people

FACT- in the US, parents who are criminals tend to teach their kids to run from the police (it's hard to hide things from kids, and kids will talk, so they do this to keep their own asses out of jail)

FACT- if you've been taught all your life to run from the police, your first reaction when a police officer appears is going to be to run

My point here is just because someone runs, doesn't mean they are guilty of anything. Not that everyone runs from the police- I was taught that policemen are our friends and it was reinforced by my interactions with them as a young child, so I don't run from the police. But I understand those who do, even when they've done nothing wrong.

If a person has surrendered, it's bad form to kick them when they're down, even if you had to chase them prior to their surrender.

The first 3 points you entitle FACT are no more than opinion and conjecture


SOMETIMES


IF


TEND

I agree with the last fact, in fact you probably ague against your own case, Is it then not a problem of respect for the law?

Im not trying to be a dick, I like your opinions Luna, in fact I laike anyone who is willing to stick up for an opinion no matter what I believe, because that is society IMO, reasoned debate!

 

[Nordling]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

No, they are more than mere opinion and conjecture. Anyone spending their life in the US and with two brain cells to rub together knows that Luna speaks the truth here. There are way too many arrogant, corrupt cops. Might be because of training, pay or US "cop culture." That I can only speculate on, but Luna is not making things up.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

I dont diasgree with what Luna says, its the sweeping statements within i take issue with, none of those 3 statements are "facts" There are Police that take thier role too far and are a disgrace but are they in the majority?

My father, before he died of cancer, was a good and fair "copper" He has a commendation from the Queen for saving someones (a criminal's) life


I would rather trust my police force to do what's right to keep me, the law abiding citizen safe...

 

[camstory]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

No, they are more than mere opinion and conjecture. Anyone spending their life in the US and with two brain cells to rub together knows that Luna speaks the truth here. There are way too many arrogant, corrupt cops. Might be because of training, pay or US "cop culture." That I can only speculate on, but Luna is not making things up.

^ RIGHT

 

[Nordling]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

I dont diasgree with what Luna says, its the sweeping statements within i take issue with, none of those 3 statements are "facts" There are Police that take thier role too far and are a disgrace but are they in the majority?

Re-read her statements. She uses qualifiers like SOME and TEND.

Not being able to track every cop in the country, I can't honestly say "majority." But I would say WAY WAY too many.

 

[camstory]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

You mean jurys don't always get it right? I feel like I should be...outraged or something!

I would guess this is aimed at my Outraged comment? Though that comment was much more about being outraged at the fact that this happened, and does happen all the time. Not that the jury got it wrong, though that seems pretty outrageous too with just the video and article linked by OP.

Has anyone found any more detailed report of the facts? Maybe a summary of the trail transcript, or the like?

 

[HoldItNow]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

I'm so glad this thread has moved onto snide comments, out of context examinations and anecdotal tales.

 

[Red7227]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

You mean jurys don't always get it right? I feel like I should be...outraged or something!

I would guess this is aimed at my Outraged comment? Though that comment was much more about being outraged at the fact that this happened, and does happen all the time. Not that the jury got it wrong, though that seems pretty outrageous too with just the video and article linked by OP.

Has anyone found any more detailed report of the facts? Maybe a summary of the trail transcript, or the like?

It was sarcasm that was aimed at an earlier comment by someone else that suggested it was ridiculous to be outraged by a jurys verdict since they are more informed than us.

So your saying that the courts should act like a bunch of over-opinionated bigots that will inflict the punishment they perceive the defendant deserves rather than worry about things like facts or fitting the punishment to the crime.

 

[camstory]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

You mean jurys don't always get it right? I feel like I should be...outraged or something!

I would guess this is aimed at my Outraged comment? Though that comment was much more about being outraged at the fact that this happened, and does happen all the time. Not that the jury got it wrong, though that seems pretty outrageous too with just the video and article linked by OP.

Has anyone found any more detailed report of the facts? Maybe a summary of the trail transcript, or the like?

It was sarcasm that was aimed at an earlier comment by someone else that suggested it was ridiculous to be outraged by a jurys verdict since they are more informed than us.

So your saying that the courts should act like a bunch of over-opinionated bigots that will inflict the punishment they perceive the defendant deserves rather than worry about things like facts or fitting the punishment to the crime.

:lol: :bootyshake: :laughing3: :teasing-neener: :teasing-tease: :lol: sorry, I'm so childish sometimes.

 

[LadyLuna]

Re: Cop found innocent of beating teenager despite video foo

My father, before he died of cancer, was a good and fair "copper" He has a commendation from the Queen for saving someones (a criminal's) life


I would rather trust my police force to do what's right to keep me, the law abiding citizen safe...

I am glad that cops in the UK seem to be doing as they should, and wish I could say the same about the cops in the US. I have had good experiences with cops in the US, and actually amazed just about everyone with how well they tend to treat me, when those same cops tend to bully and abuse their power for just about everyone else.

I have witnessed friends taken to task by cops for things they weren't even doing. Example: my partner was pulled over and told he was "on the line" for driving drunk, when he hadn't even been drinking. Breath test turned up lower than what most adults have in their bodies naturally, and he walked the line perfectly. So they gave him a warning and put him on record as being someone to watch for drunk driving.

Another example: one of my roommates had been given a ticket for running a stop sign in a construction zone. Only problem was that the stop sign he didn't run was on a different street from the construction. The cop testified in court that he was forced to stop behind my roommate because my roommate stopped for the stop sign he supposedly ran, and yet, my roommate was still fined.

When I was robbed, my manager expressed surprise that the police responded so quickly. When a fellow employee showed up to give his support, the police treated him like a suspect just because he was black. I know that man, he is one of the most honest people I have ever met, and yet the cops acted like they had just found the person who robbed me, despite the manager saying he would never have done something like that.

I have heard too many stories of cops abusing their power in the US to blame someone for running from them despite being innocent. I've heard too many times where the facts actually proved the person's innocence, and yet they were still treated like criminals, and given punishment as though they were guilty. No, I will never say "they ran, they must be guilty."