Educate Me - What gives us the right?

[Paulie Walnuts]

If they can make ill informed comparisons to our political leaders, I guess we can make some equally ill informed comparisons of theirs.

I'd post a few examples but I'm quite fond of my house and my balls, I'd hate to see either set ablaze by a fatwa screaming fucktard and his merry band of butthurt zealots.

So I won't.

For a bunch of fuckers who whine and cry about America's brutal interference in their society, They sure do brutally interfere in other societies with no scruples.

My country, My media, if you don't like it stop looking at it. If you do, don't cry about any insults you see.

They don't riot and burn places IN the USA over cartoons and youtube clips because they know they'd be quickly caught and all end up in a cuban dog kennel.
:lol:

Hell... a few might still end up at the Gitmo Hilton resort over it.
But we'll be the bad guy for putting them there.... go figure.

 

[camstory]

Thank you everyone who posted here, even airwolf who I don't agree with, but understand the ideology of. And also Isabella_deL who I think maybe got a little carried away in making what I think she meant for her point to be, that we in the US, and the non Arab world, see things from a very skewed POV. I think that may have also been Red's main point. From what I understand, Bin Ladin was a good and charitable man in regards to his own ppl, and capable of love beyond himself. (He was fucked in the head by religious beliefs, and a mass murderer from our POV. But we can only imagine how we would feel about him if we were brought up to believe the same bullshit religious doctrines as he was, and had clean drinking water and a place to send our kids to school because of him. But we should try to imagine that.) I find no such redeeming qualities in Saddam Hussein, and find the comparison of the two almost as outlandish as comparing ether one to J.F.K. or Dr. King. And Red you fucked up in making any analogy that compared Dr.King to even the better of the two, - Bin Ladin. If you were suggesting that there are some in the Arab world who feel about Bin Ladin as we do about King, that may be so, but I would defer to Mirra's suggestion that such ppl are ignorant. To make any such comparison would be ludicrous in light of the facts. And yes if ever there was a saint it was Doctor Martin Luther King. (MLK was far more than just a black man fighting for black ppl's rights)

Those are my feelings about where the thread went beyond the OP. As far as the question I was struggling with, - I guess, I think, that there are times when responsibility trumps that which is righteous. Also, I did not know that Iran had signed the non-pro treaty, in that sense we (I understood that to be, not just the US) do have some right to demand no new nukes. Although I am more inclined to consider our actions to deny others the development of nuke weapons as hypocrisy, yet one we must live with, b/c as Paulie said, some don't play well with others. I think we should be clear that it is a hypocrisy though.

That is of course your opinion, as a bias and ignorant American, but please give the world the same credit.

Is this not what I have done?

that we in the US, and the non Arab world, see things from a very skewed POV. I think that may have also been Red's main point. From what I understand, Bin Ladin was a good and charitable man in regards to his own ppl, and capable of love beyond himself. (He was fucked in the head by religious beliefs, and a mass murderer from our POV. But we can only imagine how we would feel about him if we were brought up to believe the same bullshit religious doctrines as he was, and had clean drinking water and a place to send our kids to school because of him. But we should try to imagine that.)

And bias is a bullshit tag, it could be said of everybody, all the time. There is nothing that man does, that is not influenced to some degree by the bias of the man doing it. Ignorant, yes I supposed I am more ignorant than many about such things. Ignorant: lacking in knowledge, correct? It seems to me an ignorant man in search of the knowledge he does not possess, is a wiser man than, the man who feels he has all the knowledge he needs, and therefore dismisses any thought that he might still learn more. To be closed minded and stupid, is to travel down a dead end road. It is, a terminal ignorance.

You say

Saddam and Bin Laden were equally popular leaders for the Middle Eastern Arab community. That is the beginning and end of the comparison.

Yet there is clearly more than that in what you wrote.

To understand their roles think of Saddam as the JFK of the middle east and Bin Laden as the Martin Luther King. Yes they were killers and terrorists, but so is the US in the eyes of most of the world.

You have matched JFK and MLK with Saddam and Bin Ladin, and then you yourself say they were killers and terrorists. If you did not mean to compare JFK and MLK to killers and terrorists, than the alliterative is, that these two men, JFK and MLK, or any american for that matter can be considered killers and terrorists b/c in the eyes of most of the world that is how the US is seen. isn't this the exact blind blanket hatred that is at the heart of terrorism, and has cost so many innocent lives? Ether it is a comparison, or a condemnation, neither is just.

Had you thought to use Dick Cheney, and karl Rove, to compare to your popular Middle Eastern killers and terrorist there may have been some who would have objected, but I would not have been one.

 

[Red7227]

Had you thought to use Dick Cheney, and karl Rove, to compare to your popular Middle Eastern killers and terrorist there may have been some who would have objected, but I would not have been one.

You are correct. I apologise for my confusion. I never meant to imply that Bin Laden was in any way comparable to King, except in his popularity with Middle Eastern Arabs and the way they looked up to him.

 

[bob]

I never meant to imply that Bin Laden was in any way comparable to King, except in his popularity with Middle Eastern Arabs and the way they looked up to him.

and while we've wandered pretty far off the specific topic posed by the OP, i do continue to feel that this is a salient point....and i feel too, that's it's possible to weave it back into the topic, as well

 

[camstory]

I am humbled Red7227. MLK is a personal hero, and that may have driven me to belabor the issue a bit. Apology accepted, thank you.