Gamification of tipping app idea

[Kuruizuki]

Hi,

New to the forum; long-time audience from several sites.

I have an idea I would like to probe with real performers to see if there is interest in it and if you think it can be helpful or fun for you.

The app auto-covers private parts on your webcam in real time, with GPU AI detection. Black or custom PNG masks (kawaii packs included) stay glued on you even while you move. Viewers tip to unlock and reveal.
Runs 100% locally, outputs via virtual camera, so your OBS/stream setup stays unchanged. Integrated with Chaturbate tip events (more platforms coming, but CB was the easiest to implement first because their API does not require additional installation beyond the actual app)

First question, of course, is the app's real value: do you, as performers, think it can be a playful way to push viewers to tip, or just a waste of time?
I've focused heavily on anonymisation and privacy during development, so anything it sends over the internet is filtered through Cloudflare to remove IP addresses and other info, making tracing impossible. Still, I'm not sure how to make the app "trustworthy " for models.

Having been on caming site for quite some time, I have a small idea of the amount of weirdness and dangerous things a model is facing and protecting privacy is not a nice-to-have, but a real need... so I try to think about everything in that regard, but how can I gain the minimum of trust required from the community?

Won't post the site or the soft here unless people want it, but I really don't want this post to look like disguised advertising either; genuinely looking for your thoughts on the idea before anything
K.

 

[m3lissa]

Honestly, it sounds interesting--I think it could be fun. I don't know, though, how safe it'd be to use on CB because of the AI thing. It'd be great if you got Chaturbate's approval before asking any model to use it.

If you're not looking for money, then I think the easiest way to make it "trustworthy" is to make it open source.

 

[cbhours]

Black or custom PNG masks (kawaii packs included) stay glued on you even while you move.

You know what would be hilarious? an auto emoji mode that detects smiles, frowns, straight face, smile with teeth, etc etc and replaces the emojis covering the private parts automatically based on the face the model is making.

 

[rockin_rod]

I'm a viewer, not a model, but have so many questions about how this would/could work, such as:

• can the model choose which parts of their body are covered, and which parts are revealed?
• can the model decide how long the duration of the 'uncover' is?
• (above may be related to tip size)
• can the model set options for the 'uncover' - example, for only the user that sends the tip, or for every user in the room who has tipped (a minimum amount) during that session, or for everyone?

 

[Vixxen81]

I've done this on my own with images. The novelty wears off fast and guys don't have much interest in the peep show aspect. But never hurts to try I guess.

 

[Kuruizuki]

Honestly, it sounds interesting--I think it could be fun. I don't know, though, how safe it'd be to use on CB because of the AI thing. It'd be great if you got Chaturbate's approval before asking any model to use it.

If you're not looking for money, the easiest way to make it "trustworthy" is to make it open source.

I've checked the CB clauses. Since the stream never leaves the broadcaster machine before being cast to CB, and all detection is local, it is okay. Also, AI is often used as a marketing term for simple image analysis using machine learning.

Not really looking for money, but I spent a couple of months on it, so I thought a way to have a fair share would be to have a free 30m demo that resets each day and a full version linked to membership to my profile's Fan Club, from like 50tks a month, that would allow me not to have to deal with credit cards or personal info; everything stays with the CB ecosystem, and would allow models to "pay" the license with tokens, so before the CB Commission on the change token to dollar...

The way to do it is that the app goes thru CloudFlare to get rid of the model actual IP and anonymize it, then from Cloudflare pings a license server with just the model's room name it got from the CB API you setup to be able to detect the tips (which is a public info, no name, real name or anything that is not publicly disclosed by CB) and just see if this room name is fan of my profile, then just resent via Cloudflare and OK. using Cloudflare does warranty anonymity and private life protection for the model and let's be honest for the real myself We booth have interest in staying hidden behind our nicknames.

And honestly, most of the token I get would probably be resent to some models hahaha
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You know what would be hilarious? An auto emoji mode that detects smiles, frowns, straight faces, smiles with teeth, etc., and automatically replaces the emojis covering the private parts based on the face the model is making.

Noted for a future version; nice idea, but I have to keep in mind this runs locally, and the model's laptop usually does not have a 5090 GPU, so I need to be careful with local detections to be able to keep at least 30fps, and I target 60fps if possible

I'm a viewer, not a model, but I have so many questions about how this would/could work, such as:

• Can the model choose which parts of their body are covered, and which parts are revealed?
• Can the model decide how long the duration of the 'uncover' is?
• (above may be related to tip size)
• Can the model set options for the 'uncover '- for example, only for the user who sends the tip, for every user in the room who has tipped (a minimum amount) during that session, or for everyone?

Model can choose: Vulva, Anus, Breasts or Penis. Or a mix of those, with each its own goal. I didn't allow Face, as it could be interpreted as a promise to mask the face, and since detection sometimes jumps or is lost, it isn't a reliable way to ensure that. Don't want to make false promises.

Uncover duration can be permanent or a timer before the mask comes back. Each new session can be with an added tip (EG +10 TK; each new reveal adds to the primary amount) or a multiplier (be careful of exponential growth using this)

Alas, I can't differentiate users in chat using the CB API; more importantly, I cannot interfere with what CB is actually streaming. That would be an infringement.
That would require client-side installation, and let's be honest, while not technically impossible, it is practically undoable.

I've done this on my own with images. The novelty wears off fast, and guys don't have much interest in the peep-show aspect.

That is what I was affraid of, but it can be a warm-up or if the model really knows how to play it. It is not the performance itself; it's a clutch the model can use, and if used well, it can be a real revenue stream for them.

 

[KingMarti]

I've done this on my own with images. The novelty wears off fast and guys don't have much interest in the peep show aspect. But never hurts to try I guess.

I have tried a bunch of stuff like this, and pretty much had this exact idea but couldn't work out how to actually implement it (kudos to op for working that out). But I found the same, novelty of things like this wares off pretty quick, for me at least, one of the main reasons why I stopped coding interactive stuff for cam, a week of work for 2 days of novelty as just a bad trade off for me. I can see it lasting a bit longer in rooms that have a high flow of new traffic, but when a room is built mainly of regulars the "this is cool" to "this is boring" is a pretty short time frame.

OP could expand it with other games that use the same principle, like a match 2 cards where instead of bluring and undoing some of the blur the user would tip a number associated with a card, then tip for a second card and if they match remove the cards. Plenty of alterations you can do with it to add in more variety but again for me they are too short lived to be worth making, but I do think there are rooms where something like that would be better suited.

 

[Kuruizuki]

I have tried a bunch of stuff like this, and pretty much had this exact idea but couldn't work out how to actually implement it (kudos to op for working that out). But I found the same, novelty of things like this wares off pretty quick, for me at least, one of the main reasons why I stopped coding interactive stuff for cam, a week of work for 2 days of novelty as just a bad trade off for me. I can see it lasting a bit longer in rooms that have a high flow of new traffic, but when a room is built mainly of regulars the "this is cool" to "this is boring" is a pretty short time frame.

OP could expand it with other games that use the same principle, like a match 2 cards where instead of bluring and undoing some of the blur the user would tip a number associated with a card, then tip for a second card and if they match remove the cards. Plenty of alterations you can do with it to add in more variety but again for me they are too short lived to be worth making, but I do think there are rooms where something like that would be better suited.

omg the memory-like idea is appealing indeed....

or a bongo also... guess the gobelet where the card is... this is only a veriation of 'lucky number' but visual...

 

[Vixxen81]

No one is going to pay to use an app. We're just not.

 

[Kuruizuki]

No one is going to pay to use an app. We're just not.

Thanks, that's also interesting to know So there is no existing way to remunerate development that you think can be perceived as fair?

 

[KingMarti]

Thanks, that's also interesting to know So there is no existing way to remunerate development that you think can be perceived as fair?

The issue really is that all it would provide is novelty, and there are plenty of apps that are free that also provide novelty. I wouldnt go as far as no one would pay for it, but it is going to be a minority (like maybe 1 in 5000), the models who would benefit most from it already do well enough without it, and the other models it either wouldn't fit the room vibe or they wouldn't have the traffic / tipping traffic to capitalize on the novelty. The app itself isnt going to increase earnings in any measurable way, other apps like dice rolls and spin the wheel kind of proved this where it's fun for 1 or 2 tips and then people are like "I'll just tip for lovense because it's cheaper".

As for charging, the issue you have is the value it brings to a model is less than what the dev time to make it is (imo $5 as a one off payment would be a lot for a novelty app since it's not actually solving a problem and people are going to get bored of it very quickly, and there is more of a chance of it reducing earnings than improving them becuase of how members have been conditioned over the last couple of years).

Camming has changed a lot over the last decade, I think 6-7 years ago, in the times where teasing was more popular, an app like this would have done much better than it would now, since lovense kind of took over the majority want all action all the time, they arnt down for the slow build up to a show anymore (most of the time, there are rooms that are outliers ofc).

If you were a model I would say, build it and run it, it's something unique to your room, but when you sell access to it, the unique aspect is removed which would be the main attraction to it.

This is from someone who used to advertise my room as "the most interactive room on cb", I had lights that could be controlled by tips and would flash in celebration when a goal was hit, tts, cameras that could be moved by tips, users could switch scenes in obs (changing which camera angle was active etc) via tips, load video traillers into my broadcast with tips... it works well for a short period of time, but it always comes back to, the majority of people just want to tip low amounts to vibe a lovense these days (I really wish the novelty of this would ware off alredy), so after a months of dev work you get maybe 3-4 days of use out of something, which was ultimatly why I stopped building interactive features into my room, shame imo because it was always fun trying to find new things I could trigger with tips and build it in.

There will be models that it appeals to and it works well in their shows (again for a short amount of time becuase these models know that you have to keep roatating out those type of shows because the members are quick to get bored of something), but finding those models might prove to be quite difficult.

ETA: when I built all the features it was never with the intention of increasing tokens per hour, but it was fun for me too see how far I could push it and the focus was on providing something fun that users were able to interact with and provide an experience that they couldnt get anywhere else on the platform.

 

[Kuruizuki]

The issue really is that all it would provide is novelty, and there are plenty of apps that are free that also provide novelty. I wouldnt go as far as no one would pay for it, but it is going to be a minority (like maybe 1 in 5000), the models who would benefit most from it already do well enough without it, and the other models it either wouldn't fit the room vibe or they wouldn't have the traffic / tipping traffic to capitalize on the novelty. The app itself isnt going to increase earnings in any measurable way, other apps like dice rolls and spin the wheel kind of proved this where it's fun for 1 or 2 tips and then people are like "I'll just tip for lovense because it's cheaper".

As for charging, the issue you have is the value it brings to a model is less than what the dev time to make it is (imo $5 as a one off payment would be a lot for a novelty app since it's not actually solving a problem and people are going to get bored of it very quickly, and there is more of a chance of it reducing earnings than improving them becuase of how members have been conditioned over the last couple of years).

Camming has changed a lot over the last decade, I think 6-7 years ago, in the times where teasing was more popular, an app like this would have done much better than it would now, since lovense kind of took over the majority want all action all the time, they arnt down for the slow build up to a show anymore (most of the time, there are rooms that are outliers ofc).

If you were a model I would say, build it and run it, it's something unique to your room, but when you sell access to it, the unique aspect is removed which would be the main attraction to it.

This is from someone who used to advertise my room as "the most interactive room on cb", I had lights that could be controlled by tips and would flash in celebration when a goal was hit, tts, cameras that could be moved by tips, users could switch scenes in obs (changing which camera angle was active etc) via tips, load video traillers into my broadcast with tips... it works well for a short period of time, but it always comes back to, the majority of people just want to tip low amounts to vibe a lovense these days (I really wish the novelty of this would ware off alredy), so after a months of dev work you get maybe 3-4 days of use out of something, which was ultimatly why I stopped building interactive features into my room, shame imo because it was always fun trying to find new things I could trigger with tips and build it in.

There will be models that it appeals to and it works well in their shows (again for a short amount of time becuase these models know that you have to keep roatating out those type of shows because the members are quick to get bored of something), but finding those models might prove to be quite difficult.

ETA: when I built all the features it was never with the intention of increasing tokens per hour, but it was fun for me too see how far I could push it and the focus was on providing something fun that users were able to interact with and provide an experience that they couldnt get anywhere else on the platform.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain that... even if that's a pretty grim portrait of camming ^^;

Looks like we are going deeper in the black mirror everyday... I remember years ago when it was still about having a sexy fun time; I think I somewhat miss the days hahaha All that lovense stuff is so fake most of the time, and so much room are today just a closeup pussy or ass with a lovense in and fake moans at each tip...

Is there no way to bring back the fun ?

 

[KingMarti]

Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain that... even if that's a pretty grim portrait of camming ^^;

Looks like we are going deeper in the black mirror everyday... I remember years ago when it was still about having a sexy fun time; I think I somewhat miss the days hahaha All that lovense stuff is so fake most of the time, and so much room are today just a closeup pussy or ass with a lovense in and fake moans at each tip...

Is there no way to bring back the fun ?

The reason so many rooms are like that is because the reality is thats what brings in the tokens now, ultimately what models do on cam is determined by tipping behavior, so things will go back to sexy teasing shows building up to a big show when that's what members decide they want and tip heavily for that.

ETA: Also the effort to reward heavily favors the current show type right now, coming up with a new set of shows every week is fucking hard work trying to keep things constantly fresh, the current trend dosnt require that work, rooms that do it stand out but it's not a requirement anymore since people arnt looking to spend hours in a room for the most part anymore, they want to drop into action, tip their 10 tokens, nut and log off. Even standard tip menus are rarely used anymore these days. Which leads back to the current things you see since otherwise those thumbnails would be boring af since no one is tipping for things that make an interesting thumbnail.

 

[Vixxen81]

Yeah it's not that we don't want fun stuff that's interactive, it's these guys have very very short attention spans. By the time it's explained they're already in another room.

 

[Vixxen81]

But you know what would be nice? Not that we could have ever such nice things like this, but it would be great to know what percentage of our followers are logged in. Not who, not where, just percentage of people who follow us.