Had to report a model...for illegal solicitation

[MissyLuvsU]

This is disturbing to hear to say the least. I highly doubt MFC would want to involve themselves in a situation where someone like the FBI would get involved. It's much more likely (not to mention less attention brought to it) like Isabella said, that they would wash their hands of it quickly. MFCs main concern in this situation is protecting their asses from possible SHIT publicity. Imagine it comes out to the media that highly illegal activity is going on. It would be like a Mila Milan incident all over again (I'm not saying that compares to child exploitation just comparing media frenzies). I personally would have contacted some group or someone of authority to report it beyond letting MFC admin know.

 

[emptiedglass]

I think even referring law enforcement to this very thread would be enough to get an investigation started.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Lily as much as we'd like to believe MFC will take action, it doesn't mean it will. I think there is also some sort of legal responsibility - at least in the united states, to report it to the authorities if you believe a child may be in danger.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Ok, I'm just going to question this whole thing a little bit. As we have all already said, if this is the case then you did the right thing etc.

But a few things have been bugging me and were brought up by someone else.

Firstly, not sure if I've got this straight but you found this on the model tags and decided to look at her profile because of this, then went into her room to pursue the matter?
Then simply because of the tag those are the only two sentences you said to her? You did not want to elaborate at all? It's not like either of the sentences actually say "Yes I have a 12 year old here to fiddle with" or like your questions were asking for a private, you just asked what her special was. For a foreign model this could have got seriously lost in translation or there could have been a conversation that her response relates to. When someone, especially a new model is faced with this sort of accusation I would imagine Mfc doesn't look into it too far before banning. Although I will agree it sounds like exactly what everyone else here thinks it sounds like, but that doesn't mean that it is. Surely after going to all that effort and knowing you're going to ban this person you'd enquire a little bit more, even if it was "wait... could you explain as I'm sure I didn't understand you?" you wouldn't get in trouble for this and you would gain more evidence than just that.

As was brought up to me by someone who bothered doing the research, pretty much all the models this member has been sending pm's to are new models/girls with camscores around 1000. Now this isn't a crime, but we all know about the many predators lurking around Myfreecams looking to harass/scam new models. I will always be a little wary of members who only seem to visit new models rather than holding their relationships with them.
A smaller issue is why the OP covered his member name in the post. I can understand why someone might not want to be totally open, but in a thread calling out another person? If the model herself reads this she'll know it's you. Another small issue is I find it hard to trust a guy with the name "trustme"...

Although the OP has apologised for making this his first post... I'm still unsure as to why. If the girl is now banned, why did you feel the need to tell us all this? You were not a member of this forum, these aren't people you have regular conversations with. I can understand wanting to tell a group of friends about this, but a random group of strangers? How does this benefit you or us?

Now all of these things can be explained so I'm not saying the OP is a predator preying on new models, or a troll who's trying to wind us up/upset us and making some fake chat log, I'm just saying that the OP could be. This conversation he had with this model which is barely even that could have come from something related in the room. Yes is does sound fucking bad. But it also may not be what it seems and it did come from a member who we know nothing about and could potentially be pretty shady. Or he could be a really nice guy genuinely concerned about the welfare of this child who for some reason felt the need to spread the word. My point is we do not know.

 

[Brad]

Have to agree that this kind of stuff needs to be reported to the law too. Error on the side of caution. I just wouldn't trust MFC to not sweep it under the rug and if it saves one human or animal from abuse then it's well worth a simple phone call.
:thumbleft:

 

[Just Me]

Ok, I'm just going to question this whole thing a little bit. As we have all already said, if this is the case then you did the right thing etc.

But a few things have been bugging me and were brought up by someone else.

Firstly, not sure if I've got this straight but you found this on the model tags and decided to look at her profile because of this, then went into her room to pursue the matter?
Then simply because of the tag those are the only two sentences you said to her? You did not want to elaborate at all? It's not like either of the sentences actually say "Yes I have a 12 year old here to fiddle with" or like your questions were asking for a private, you just asked what her special was. For a foreign model this could have got seriously lost in translation or there could have been a conversation that her response relates to. When someone, especially a new model is faced with this sort of accusation I would imagine Mfc doesn't look into it too far before banning. Although I will agree it sounds like exactly what everyone else here thinks it sounds like, but that doesn't mean that it is. Surely after going to all that effort and knowing you're going to ban this person you'd enquire a little bit more, even if it was "wait... could you explain as I'm sure I didn't understand you?" you wouldn't get in trouble for this and you would gain more evidence than just that.

As was brought up to me by someone who bothered doing the research, pretty much all the models this member has been sending pm's to are new models/girls with camscores around 1000. Now this isn't a crime, but we all know about the many predators lurking around Myfreecams looking to harass/scam new models. I will always be a little wary of members who only seem to visit new models rather than holding their relationships with them.
A smaller issue is why the OP covered his member name in the post. I can understand why someone might not want to be totally open, but in a thread calling out another person? If the model herself reads this she'll know it's you. Another small issue is I find it hard to trust a guy with the name "trustme"...

Although the OP has apologised for making this his first post... I'm still unsure as to why. If the girl is now banned, why did you feel the need to tell us all this? You were not a member of this forum, these aren't people you have regular conversations with. I can understand wanting to tell a group of friends about this, but a random group of strangers? How does this benefit you or us?

Now all of these things can be explained so I'm not saying the OP is a predator preying on new models, or a troll who's trying to wind us up/upset us and making some fake chat log, I'm just saying that the OP could be. This conversation he had with this model which is barely even that could have come from something related in the room. Yes is does sound fucking bad. But it also may not be what it seems and it did come from a member who we know nothing about and could potentially be pretty shady. Or he could be a really nice guy genuinely concerned about the welfare of this child who for some reason felt the need to spread the word. My point is we do not know.

I am glad there are some as cynical as me here. :thumbleft: The first thing I noticed was that was an awful lot of PMing and no room chat.

Regardless, it was the right thing to do to report this to MFC. I am also of the same opinion as a few here, that MFC wont go any further than to get rid of the model. I wonder why business's are not mandatory reporters for this type of thing?

 

[Adreaming]

I am model a mom also... but from nothing in this fucking world, kids shouldn't be involved in those games... fetishes are fantasies mostly and I am ok with most but being a pedofil its a sickness...
Good thing you report this woman and I HOPE she just talked but wasnt able to do such a BS like this...

:shock:

 

[Nordling]

Personally, I don't think there's enough solid information here to report anything to my neighbor's pet cat. Only the OP knows more than what we've seen, and that just isn't enough. From the screen cap of a very short PM, it could just as easily have been a discussion about her family in innocent terms. If I was an MFC admin and got no more than I've seen here, I would maybe talk to the model, but not ban her based on the information given.

With more solid evidence, yeah, call the sheriff, call the FBI, call the Queen! Besides, we don't even know what country the model is from, do we? If she's from say The Czech Republic, Ukraine or Uzbekistan, what good would it do to call US authorities? But with more information I would talk to MFC.

 

[LilyEvans]

Wait...I don't understand what OP is being accused of...?

This doesn't seem like a model attack thread, since he didn't give out any of her information until asked several times (in fact, Isabella was the first person to ask the model's name and country of origin.) He also wasn't asking anyone else to report her, he was just relaying that he did it. Frankly, if I came upon something like this I would be shaken up too and would want to tell someone. Seems a forum like this would be best because it's not really as if you can call Grandma and say, "I was watching porn when you'll never GUESS what happened!" Also, the model's profile is now gone which indicates that MFC clearly found something wrong with it, or she deleted it. Whether it was underage solicitation or the fact that she said she would play with her dog, who knows. So it seems clear he wasn't just trying to stir up trouble for no reason, because SOME form of rule-breaking and illegal happenings were occurring.

Are you accusing him of being the type to scam new models? I'd say the evidence for THAT is even shakier than the evidence that he gave us for this model! And even if he is...um...well, so? If someone broke into a house to rob it and found a CP dungeon in the basement, and then reported it, I'd be willing to forgive him for being a thief. It's the lesser of two evils. While being a scammer is a shitty thing to do, it's nowhere NEAR offering a 12 year-old for sexual favors.

The fact that he chose to PM the model to investigate isn't setting off red-flags for me either. People are inherently curious and if I saw an offer like that I'd want to get to the bottom of it too so I could report it. Chris Hansen and Dateline purposely sniffed out stuff like this, and it inspired vigilante movements to do the same.

I think a healthy dose of cynicism is a virtue but I don't understand what its place is here. If you don't believe him, or don't think there's enough evidence, don't report anything.

 

[TrustMe]

Isabella_deL,
I can understand your concerns, but I assure you that this isn't a joke, troll, or a misinterpreted PM. Let me try and explain how I discovered this models TAG.

As a Premium MFC member (5 years now), we get to open a window called "The Lounge" where we can browse models rooms and the models don't know you are viewing them. You can choose to browse models in 7 different ways. Sometimes I choose to browse "New Models Only" where I briefly chat and welcome them to MFC. In The Lounge you can also PM, popup her room, check her full profile, cycle through models and various other tasks.

In The Lounge, I can also click on a button called "menu", it's like a little preview of that model. In "menu", it shows her Topic, how many people are in her room, Camscore, Miss MFC rank, Location, Age/Ethnicity, and her "TAGS". When I saw her TAG that said "VERY YOUNG KI D", it set off an alarm in my head. This was obviously a self made TAG which any of us on MFC can make in our profile settings. If you notice, there is a space between KI and D. Maybe done purposely.

I don't know about you, but when I see the words "VERY YOUNG KI D" on a adult webcam site, it sends up a HUGE RED FLAG! I decided to open a PM window and inquire. If you notice how I worded my questions, I wasn't asking her specific details. Her answers, (or maybe it was someone off camera), to my 2 very brief questions basically confirmed everything I needed to know and I reported her to MFC immediately. How you can interpret her answers any other way is just ignorant.

The website belongs to MFC and I alerted them of what I had encountered. What MFC did beyond suspending her account is anyone's guess. I did what I thought was the right thing to do, and feel better because of it. I'm sorry if some of you don't see it that way.

I crossed out my Member name from the chat log, because I didn't want to get a bunch of PM's about this incident. This is the only MFC related forum I belong to, and thought by bringing this here I would get some answers and feedback.

TrustMe comes from a game we played as teenagers when we dated. I'll leave it at that.

Just as you have said you needed to question this whole thing a little bit, and question my motives and/or truthfulness, I now have thought about it more in depth and have some questions for you and all the models. Because it seems as if no one knows the answers.

1) What is MFC's policy regarding someone reporting such an incident? Is it written anywhere?

2) Once reported, does MFC notify any authorities?

3) If you were one of the ones telling ME to notify the police, would you still work for MFC if you found out that they don't?

4) Would you rather that I had done nothing, and just moved along to the next model?

I hate to sound defensive but really, I just did what I thought was right. Of course I wish this had never happened.

 

[Nordling]

I think we all know about the Lounges here, both members and models. But I really think you should reveal who you really are...simply because any story is worthless unless we can vet the source...since we have no way of vetting the alleged model, who from the current record is non-existent.

Regardless of why you named yourself "Trustme," here, I can only speak for myself, but if I were going to join a forum specifically to report something this serious, I would choose a less troublesome name, and I would not choose an avatar featuring a Simpson character in a satanic costume.

All harmless, I'm sure, but since you won't let us vet you directly (check your profile, etc), how can we take you or anything you say seriously? Anyone can join any forum and tell any wild story they choose; frankly, I'm surprised how many took your story at faith alone.

I do hope you'll reconsider, but I hope more that you're telling the truth, and if so, that you've interpreted things correctly--otherwise, you may have damaged someone's career for no good reason.

* oh, and one more thing...if this story is true, then it is way more important than your worries of getting "some PMs."

 

[TrustMe]

Nordling, I have been a member of this forum since November 2011. Same name, same avatar.

I never felt the need to post anything....until now. And now I wish I hadn't.

 

[Nordling]

Nordling, I have been a member of this forum since November 2011. Same name, same avatar.

I never felt the need to post anything....until now. And now I wish I hadn't.

Why though? What is your MFC name? This story, if true, is not one to be taken lightly. Vetting is very important, and your story, if true, is even more important.

 

[Mirra]

I don't agree. TrustMe's entitled to privacy. If you find trusting the story difficult, so be it. As far as I am concerned, the chat log that's been posted looks edited but not fabricated. The model in question no longer has a profile so I suspect MFC was convinced. If TrustMe's claims are true, the model's actions are deplorable but what are any of us going to do about it at this point? If the claims are false, I have to assume it was a personal vendetta. If so then posting here about a model not from ACF seems silly. Just saying.

It's up to MFC and/or TrustMe. Not us.

P.S. It appears TrustMe uses pink font on MFC. The name also appears to start with an L. It's also nearly as long as DirtyGame00_ but not quite. That narrows it down a lot. Throw on your best Sherlock costume and sleuth it out if you so desire.

 

[MsAllyCat]

In the interests of child protection it is up to MFC, the OP and each and every one of us to act in how we see fit with the information we know. Do not think for a moment that Child protection units specialising in online abuse, including that which crosses international jurisdiction do not work collaboratively, as well as piecemeal, to build, verify and pursue claims of online exploitation.

I think it is unwise to take anything the OP has said other than at face value, and I thank them for speaking out and acting. It would have been easy to shrug his shoulders, say who cares and not say a word. And if it is a highly warped strange old wind up (and really why would it be?), well more fool me, but there is no skin off my nose.

I have personally acted on the information that I have passively acquired via this thread. I mean, do I need any more to 'suspect' exploitation? No. Do I need more to verify, confirm and convict? Hell yeah. But funny thing is, that's what law enforcement do - not a bunch of randoms on a forum.

 

[trotskyleon]

Nordling, I have been a member of this forum since November 2011. Same name, same avatar.

I never felt the need to post anything....until now. And now I wish I hadn't.

Why though? What is your MFC name? This story, if true, is not one to be taken lightly. Vetting is very important, and your story, if true, is even more important.

Why do you want his MFC name or profile? What has that got to do with anything? And why should he tell us that information? Heck why do we NEED to believe him?

From my understanding - he has reported it to MFC therefore END OF STORY. I dont care what MFC does, what happened to the model or what happened to this member or his MFC habits.

What we did learn from his thread though is:

- Report these things to MFC
- And report these things to the responsible authorities.

Lets just take those two points and leave out all the rest.

Maybe someone can post the relevent authorities?

A lil disappointed...with some of the responses on what I thought is a serious issue (whether true or not).

 

[Nordling]

I don't agree. TrustMe's entitled to privacy. If you find trusting the story difficult, so be it. As far as I am concerned, the chat log that's been posted looks edited but not fabricated. The model in question no longer has a profile so I suspect MFC was convinced. If TrustMe's claims are true, the model's actions are deplorable but what are any of us going to do about it at this point? If the claims are false, I have to assume it was a personal vendetta. If so then posting here about a model not from ACF seems silly. Just saying.

It's up to MFC and/or TrustMe. Not us.

P.S. It appears TrustMe uses pink font on MFC. The name also appears to start with an L. It's also nearly as long as DirtyGame00_ but not quite. That narrows it down a lot. Throw on your best Sherlock costume and sleuth it out if you so desire.

Oh, I agree. Everyone is entitled to privacy, but the drawback is, with no way to vet the accuser, there's no way I will give any more substance to the story than any other anonymous story. Plus I'm not accusing the OP of lying even...I'm suggesting that if the model is poor at English, it could easily be a misinterpretation. I've seen profiles with statements a model has made that include many things that would confound the laws of physics. The "young k id" bit could easily be something she was saying about herself, if she had no idea how it looked to a native English speaker, e.g. And as far as the PM, the very poorly constructed sentences by both parties could mean that she thought he was simply asking about her family in general terms.

I really don't like making accusations about anyone without more complete information. In this case, both the model and the member.

By the way, I googled DirtyGame00 and got dozens of hits, all to one site...some kind of blog that included dozens of what appear to be harmless photos of friends and family. Dunno if it's the same person though.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Nordling, I have been a member of this forum since November 2011. Same name, same avatar.

I never felt the need to post anything....until now. And now I wish I hadn't.

Trustme thank you for you both for reporting this to MFC, FWIW I think you did exactly the right thing, and also for providing an additional explanation.

I don't think explanation was needed. Unfortunately, there is a group of frequent poster, I sarcastically call them the ACF welcome wagon, who seem to find sport at attacking any new poster. I guess they feel that there constant posting entitles them to automatically cast doubt on the motives of new poster. Even when the poster has been a member of MFC/ACF longer than they have.

I'll remind people again that ACF has more 13,000 members. Yet we have only a couple hundred active posters in the members. Now many of the folks who signed up have moved on. But on most internet forum the ratio of posters to lurkers is roughly 10 to 1. I have seen many forums where people lurk for years before they post. I myself have been a on forum where I made 4 post in my first 3 years, even while reading the forum at least once week. I just didn't feel I had much to contribute. It is nasty stereotype when judge the truthful and motives of a poster, based on the quantity of their posts. The join date actually provides useful info; use it.

This is actually a very interesting and important topic, and I am sorry Trustme feels like he wished had not posted it. Clearly this a more important topic than, the latest addition to stupid things models/members say or what our random thoughts at the moment. I for one am very interested in what MFC does with this report. Trustme I hope you follow up with MFC and report back, although I'll understand if you decide lurking is preferable.

 

[Nordling]

Nordling, I have been a member of this forum since November 2011. Same name, same avatar.

I never felt the need to post anything....until now. And now I wish I hadn't.

Trustme thank you for you both for reporting this to MFC, FWIW I think you did exactly the right thing, and also for providing an additional explanation.

I don't think explanation was needed. Unfortunately, there is a group of frequent poster, I sarcastically call them the ACF welcome wagon, who seem to find sport at attacking any new poster. I guess they feel that there constant posting entitles them to automatically cast doubt on the motives of new poster. Even when the poster has been a member of MFC/ACF longer than they have.

I'll remind people again that ACF has more 13,000 members. Yet we have only a couple hundred active posters in the members. Now many of the folks who signed up have moved on. But on most internet forum the ratio of posters to lurkers is roughly 10 to 1. I have seen many forums where people lurk for years before they post. I myself have been a on forum where I made 4 post in my first 3 years, even while reading the forum at least once week. I just didn't feel I had much to contribute. It is nasty stereotype when judge the truthful and motives of a poster, based on the quantity of their posts. The join date actually provides useful info; use it.

This is actually a very interesting and important topic, and I am sorry Trustme feels like he wished had not posted it. Clearly this a more important topic than, the latest addition to stupid things models/members say or what our random thoughts at the moment. I for one am very interested in what MFC does with this report. Trustme I hope you follow up with MFC and report back, although I'll understand if you decide lurking is preferable.

Could you point out where anyone attacked the OP? No one did. What a few of us did do is suggest vetting anonymous posters, a healthy amount of skepticism. No one's saying the OP is wrong or not telling the truth, but since another person's job was at stake, I believe one should be damn sure that what you think you see is true.

If you had a neighbor suddenly accuse you of child abuse, wouldn't you want other people to ask for very good evidence before you were crucified, lost your job, family, everything? This is not an indictment of the OP, it's a suggestion that we ask for better evidence before we jump the shark.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Thank you Trustme for explaining more. As I said, if everything is as you said then you did exactly the right thing. With no other context then it does sadly sound like it is exactly what you thought it was. But you have got to understand there are a lot of sick people around the internet and a lot of them seem to very much enjoy winding people on here up and generally causing trouble. Not saying you are one of them, just that there is a chance that you could be one of them.

Higirls, it's not a matter of trusting everyone who's posted more than a few times or who is a regular poster, it's that you know full well the amount of people who come here to deliberately troll, something I've noticed is that most people who've ended up becoming regulars of this forum have started out joining in discussions, introducing themselves etc. Most I've seen starting posts similar to this have either faded off... or have been banned for being obnoxious/trollish then or later on. So yes seeing as it seems about 50% of first posters who write topics like this result in being trolls no wonder people question them. At this point you don't know if someone is going to continue acting normal or have a crazy flip out.

 

[Nordling]

I'd like to add that child abuse, being right at the top rungs of the ladder of horrible things humans do to each other, and that this accusation is against the mother of the child victims...there is good reason to ask for much stronger evidence.

Yes, mothers have been known to abuse their children, but it's very rare because it goes against some very basic instincts.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Could you point out where anyone attacked the OP? No one did. What a few of us did do is suggest vetting anonymous posters, a healthy amount of skepticism. No one's saying the OP is wrong or not telling the truth, but since another person's job was at stake, I believe one should be damn sure that what you think you see is true.

If you had a neighbor suddenly accuse you of child abuse, wouldn't you want other people to ask for very good evidence before you were crucified, lost your job, family, everything? This is not an indictment of the OP, it's a suggestion that we ask for better evidence before we jump the shark.

Well perceptions matter and the fact the OP said he regretted posting this important information should be enough to give you pause.

I'd point out we are all anonymous poster here, me, you even Amber. Virtually no one use there real name on the forum. So what do you mean by vetting anonymous posters? Would you like to start volunteer to start the process? Just give me your name and address and I happily run a background check, and post the results. If you do it I'll do the same for myself.

As Lily Evans pointed the only reason the model name was given out because several asked for it.

But if you'd like specific examples of attack here are two.

From Isabella

Although the OP has apologised for making this his first post... I'm still unsure as to why. If the girl is now banned, why did you feel the need to tell us all this? You were not a member of this forum, these aren't people you have regular conversations with. I can understand wanting to tell a group of friends about this, but a random group of strangers? How does this benefit you or us?

Now all of these things can be explained so I'm not saying the OP is a predator preying on new models, or a troll who's trying to wind us up/upset us and making some fake chat log, I'm just saying that the OP could be. This conversation he had with this model which is barely even that could have come from something related in the room. Yes is does sound fucking bad. But it also may not be what it seems and it did come from a member who we know nothing about and could potentially be pretty shady. Or he could be a really nice guy genuinely concerned about the welfare of this child who for some reason felt the need to spread the word. My point is we do not know.

Well first of all Trustme has been member of the forum since Nov 11, which is longer than Isabella and myself. He is member of MFC for 5 years is longer than almost all of us. So calling him not a member is factually inaccurate. But the rest of basically is saying I don't know if he is lying but I have my suspicious. As for how this benefit us, well seeing how MFC response to this sounds pretty relevant, cause I sure don't want to be anyway associated with porn site that tolerate child porn. The underlying assumption is if Trustme had 10,000 posts it would somehow make his word more reliable.

From Nordling

think we all know about the Lounges here, both members and models. But I really think you should reveal who you really are...simply because any story is worthless unless we can vet the source...since we have no way of vetting the alleged model, who from the current record is non-existent.

Regardless of why you named yourself "Trustme," here, I can only speak for myself, but if I were going to join a forum specifically to report something this serious, I would choose a less troublesome name, and I would not choose an avatar featuring a Simpson character in a satanic costume.

All harmless, I'm sure, but since you won't let us vet you directly (check your profile, etc), how can we take you or anything you say seriously? Anyone can join any forum and tell any wild story they choose; frankly, I'm surprised how many took your story at faith alone.

I do hope you'll reconsider, but I hope more that you're telling the truth, and if so, that you've interpreted things correctly--otherwise, you may have damaged someone's career for no good reason.

You accuse him, wrongly I'd add, of picking him his user name for this topic. The underlying assumption is he joined the forum to tell a wild story. This seems to be an attack by any common sense definition. Again spending 5 seconds to look at the join date, instead of equating 4 post to be an newbie troll would have told you were wrong about his motivates for joining.

Oh and I actually learned about searching for tags from the lounge, by his post I didn't know that. You know what they say about assumptions.


As far as what attack looks like, yes I am attacking you and other members of the ACF Welcome Wagon, for being absurdly hard on new/low post count posters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Wagon

 

[Nordling]

Could you point out where anyone attacked the OP? No one did. What a few of us did do is suggest vetting anonymous posters, a healthy amount of skepticism. No one's saying the OP is wrong or not telling the truth, but since another person's job was at stake, I believe one should be damn sure that what you think you see is true.

If you had a neighbor suddenly accuse you of child abuse, wouldn't you want other people to ask for very good evidence before you were crucified, lost your job, family, everything? This is not an indictment of the OP, it's a suggestion that we ask for better evidence before we jump the shark.

Well perceptions matter and the fact the OP said he regretted posting this important information should be enough to give you pause.

I'd point out we are all anonymous poster here, me, you even Amber. Virtually no one use there real name on the forum. So what do you mean by vetting anonymous posters? Would you like to start volunteer to start the process? Just give me your name and address and I happily run a background check, and post the results. If you do it I'll do the same for myself.

As Lily Evans pointed the only reason the model name was given out because several asked for it.

But if you'd like specific examples of attack here are two.

From Isabella

Although the OP has apologised for making this his first post... I'm still unsure as to why. If the girl is now banned, why did you feel the need to tell us all this? You were not a member of this forum, these aren't people you have regular conversations with. I can understand wanting to tell a group of friends about this, but a random group of strangers? How does this benefit you or us?

Now all of these things can be explained so I'm not saying the OP is a predator preying on new models, or a troll who's trying to wind us up/upset us and making some fake chat log, I'm just saying that the OP could be. This conversation he had with this model which is barely even that could have come from something related in the room. Yes is does sound fucking bad. But it also may not be what it seems and it did come from a member who we know nothing about and could potentially be pretty shady. Or he could be a really nice guy genuinely concerned about the welfare of this child who for some reason felt the need to spread the word. My point is we do not know.

Well first of all Trustme has been member of the forum since Nov 11, which is longer than Isabella and myself. He is member of MFC for 5 years is longer than almost all of us. So calling him not a member is factually inaccurate. But the rest of basically is saying I don't know if he is lying but I have my suspicious. As for how this benefit us, well seeing how MFC response to this sounds pretty relevant, cause I sure don't want to be anyway associated with porn site that tolerate child porn. The underlying assumption is if Trustme had 10,000 posts it would somehow make his word more reliable.

From Nordling

think we all know about the Lounges here, both members and models. But I really think you should reveal who you really are...simply because any story is worthless unless we can vet the source...since we have no way of vetting the alleged model, who from the current record is non-existent.

Regardless of why you named yourself "Trustme," here, I can only speak for myself, but if I were going to join a forum specifically to report something this serious, I would choose a less troublesome name, and I would not choose an avatar featuring a Simpson character in a satanic costume.

All harmless, I'm sure, but since you won't let us vet you directly (check your profile, etc), how can we take you or anything you say seriously? Anyone can join any forum and tell any wild story they choose; frankly, I'm surprised how many took your story at faith alone.

I do hope you'll reconsider, but I hope more that you're telling the truth, and if so, that you've interpreted things correctly--otherwise, you may have damaged someone's career for no good reason.

You accuse him, wrongly I'd add, of picking him his user name for this topic. The underlying assumption is he joined the forum to tell a wild story. This seems to be an attack by any common sense definition. Again spending 5 seconds to look at the join date, instead of equating 4 post to be an newbie troll would have told you were wrong about his motivates for joining.

Oh and I actually learned about searching for tags from the lounge, by his post I didn't know that. You know what they say about assumptions.


As far as what attack looks like, yes I am attacking you and other members of the ACF Welcome Wagon, for being absurdly hard on new/low post count posters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_Wagon

First, there are degrees of anonymity. Virtually every member here is known by their MFC member name also. That name is itself anonymous with regard to a person's birth name. Why someone would hide their MFC name drew suspicion. Yes, he's been a member longer than Me, you and Isabella, but that means little as he was inactive the entire time. I myself have signed up at forums and ended up never posting. No big deal but the time I was "signed up" as a member mean nothing.

Posts online do come across often much stronger than they would if it was just people talking verbally. I repeat, neither Isabella, myself or anyone else attacked the OP. Your example was not an attack...it was more like a questioning. When charges are this serious (child abuse), it calls for a higher degree of questioning than everyday complaints. If the OP had said the model had promised him a teddy bear but never gave it to him, no one would care and probably not bother questioning him, even if the evidence supplied was flimsy. My posts in this thread were not attacks on the OP...if the OP took them as attacks, I apologize...sincerely. What I'm doing is being skeptical of the crimes the model is being accused of, and I think whenever crimes of that magnitude are posted, we should all question them...certainly before running off and calling the FBI, police or anyone. I don't hold anything against the OP; most likely he's a fine fellow doing what he sees as his duty. But the evidence given would not hold up seriously under the most intense scrutiny...certainly it would have called for more investigation...but that was made impossible because prior to any addition checking, she was reported to MFC, who I'm sure simply wanted to avoid a possible problem, even with the rather scant evidence.

 

[Hermione_]

Regardless if you believe OP or not I think it is harmless to report the incident to authorities. They will not automatically take that information as truth, they will investigate. You can report suspicion. There is nothing wrong with that. I would much rather someone report this individual for possibly putting her children in harms way so that it could be investigated rather than not reporting it because you might not believe OP's story. The children deserve that much.

My question is, with all of this discussion, has anyone actually reported this to other authorities?

 

[Brad]

I'd like to add that child abuse, being right at the top rungs of the ladder of horrible things humans do to each other, and that this accusation is against the mother of the child victims...there is good reason to ask for much stronger evidence.

Yes, mothers have been known to abuse their children, but it's very rare because it goes against some very basic instincts.

OK, I feel a need to step in here. That statement is incorrect. My wife Maggy is a social worker who works in foster care. Before moving to IL and working here in foster care, she spent 7 years in PA working only with violently/sexually abused children. She saw the worst of the worst and I heard and learned more then I ever cared to know. Do not think for a moment that mothers were not as guilty as fathers. In fact in many cases there was no father. I will never forget the poor little boy who hung himself. His mother had pimped him out for years.

Mothers abuse too so please do not let that stop you from reporting something suspicious. That was why I posted what I posted. Err on the side of caution and report it to your local police. My wife would HAVE to report it as she is legally mandated to do so no matter the circumstances. I have never met a police officer who was mad over investigating a possible child abuse only to find out it was a false lead. That is their job.

I guess I looked at this thread differently. I saw an opportunity to point out how you should always include a report (which can be an anonymous call) to the police in a situation like this.
:thumbleft:




Or to put it more bluntly, I don't give a fuck who I piss off or bother if it saves one child from abuse!!

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Lol ok guys, no need to get your knickers in a twist about this. I was not attacking the OP of this thread, I was just stating that it could very easily be an upsetting wind up as we have very little evidence. None of my posts were attacking the OP who all I know about him is his screen name and about 3 posts he's written. If he's a reasonable guy, which he probably is he will not be insulted and will accept that it is not anything remotely personal. How could it be? All I have seen of him is a screen name and an avatar of bart simpson.

Higirls, as for your Welcome Wagon thing. It is true that a lot of new members who post here who you notice get trolled off. In fact what you don't seem to realise is how many new members come to this forum all the time and rather than making fairly rude first posts (not talking about the OP) they make nice first posts and gradually become a part of the community. As you full well know though, the exact same people have "attacked" you in exactly the same way when you've been a douche, so no, I do not think it is a welcome wagon. More that there are a whole bunch of very outspoken people on here who do not condone crap behaviour.
I do agree that sometimes people can be too quick off the mark. I've been guilty of this too. But... pretty much every time there's someone who comes in and makes a first post/starts a thread that gets people going they end up being a troll/arsehole. Sometimes they get banned immediately, sometimes it takes longer.
I think sometimes you forget when you start defending random strangers over your friends/people you've got to know regardless of the situation that people on here don't single out new posters deliberately. They single out arsehole behaviour.

Now I'm not even speaking of these kinds of trolls in regards to this thread, I was merely stating that although it really does seem like this sadly is what it looks like, it could be something different. Not that it matters enormously or is really worth getting all upset over. Just wanted to point it out. I do think that anything that looks like it might be child abuse should be reported, but I also don't think that Mfc banning really means that much. When it comes to something like that, if it's a new model and even looks mildly suspicious I would think Mfc would wipe their hands of it before even checking.

As for the OP's questions. No I don't think Mfc will look into it. They don't even answer girls e-mails/give any help in police cases who are being severely stalked on here. They'll just ignore them. No I do not like it and no it does not stop me working there. I personally have nothing to do with that. I know Mfc doesn't make money off that stuff and they do ban for it. I am self employed, Mfc is just a tool for my work. It's kind of like fair trade stuff. Most stuff isn't. Although some people are becoming more aware of it, the average person, even if they care and would rather things were different, they'll still buy stuff from non fair trade brands.

And no, I think you did the right thing in reporting this model. Absolutely. This kind of thing sickens me. It's just a shame you didn't get a little bit more information/ask her something more specific. It's also a shame that there are enough guys sick enough to make jest about this sort of situation that I even question it. But... in a world where a mother might do that to her child is it really so unreasonable of me to question it?

 

[Nordling]

I'd like to add that child abuse, being right at the top rungs of the ladder of horrible things humans do to each other, and that this accusation is against the mother of the child victims...there is good reason to ask for much stronger evidence.

Yes, mothers have been known to abuse their children, but it's very rare because it goes against some very basic instincts.

OK, I feel a need to step in here. That statement is incorrect. My wife Maggy is a social worker who works in foster care. Before moving to IL and working here in foster care, she spent 7 years in PA working only with violently/sexually abused children. She saw the worst of the worst and I heard and learned more then I ever cared to know. Do not think for a moment that mothers were not as guilty as fathers. In fact in many cases there was no father. I will never forget the poor little boy who hung himself. His mother had pimped him out for years.

Mothers abuse too so please do not let that stop you from reporting something suspicious. That was why I posted what I posted. Err on the side of caution and report it to your local police. My wife would HAVE to report it as she is legally mandated to do so no matter the circumstances. I have never met a police officer who was mad over investigating a possible child abuse only to find out it was a false lead. That is their job.

I guess I looked at this thread differently. I saw an opportunity to point out how you should always include a report (which can be an anonymous call) to the police in a situation like this.
:thumbleft:

Or to put it more bluntly, I don't give a fuck who I piss off or bother if it saves one child from abuse!!

I'm not sure what I said that you're saying is incorrect. I said it's rare--and I mean rare compared to MOST moms. Certainly a social worker sees the worst of the worst...but that isn't saying that this heinous behavior by some people--moms or dads--is average behavior. If I were to find out that it was, I'd jump off the edge of the planet. Everything else you said I agree with.

 

[Poker_Babe]

I highly doubt that MFC is going to report this to any kind of authorities... I mean, isn't there a pretty good chance that they could be held partly responsible in this as well??? And I'm sure this kind of scandal is something that MFC doesn't want to have associated with their company. I'm willing to bet that MFC handles shit like this in the same way that Catholic Church does... by sweeping it under the rug.

(No offense to Catholics btw)

 

[Brad]

I'd like to add that child abuse, being right at the top rungs of the ladder of horrible things humans do to each other, and that this accusation is against the mother of the child victims...there is good reason to ask for much stronger evidence.

Yes, mothers have been known to abuse their children, but it's very rare because it goes against some very basic instincts.

OK, I feel a need to step in here. That statement is incorrect. My wife Maggy is a social worker who works in foster care. Before moving to IL and working here in foster care, she spent 7 years in PA working only with violently/sexually abused children. She saw the worst of the worst and I heard and learned more then I ever cared to know. Do not think for a moment that mothers were not as guilty as fathers. In fact in many cases there was no father. I will never forget the poor little boy who hung himself. His mother had pimped him out for years.

Mothers abuse too so please do not let that stop you from reporting something suspicious. That was why I posted what I posted. Err on the side of caution and report it to your local police. My wife would HAVE to report it as she is legally mandated to do so no matter the circumstances. I have never met a police officer who was mad over investigating a possible child abuse only to find out it was a false lead. That is their job.

I guess I looked at this thread differently. I saw an opportunity to point out how you should always include a report (which can be an anonymous call) to the police in a situation like this.
:thumbleft:

Or to put it more bluntly, I don't give a fuck who I piss off or bother if it saves one child from abuse!!

I'm not sure what I said that you're saying is incorrect. I said it's rare--and I mean rare compared to MOST moms. Certainly a social worker sees the worst of the worst...but that isn't saying that this heinous behavior by some people--moms or dads--is average behavior. If I were to find out that it was, I'd jump off the edge of the planet. Everything else you said I agree with.

I read it differently and was worried others could too. I read it as it is rare for the abuser to be the mother. I now understand what you meant.
:thumbleft:


And I meant no offense. I can become a total prick when the subject of child or animal abuse comes up.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I read it differently and was worried others could too. I read it as it is rare for the abuser to be the mother. I now understand what you meant.

Not that it's remotely relevant in this discussion but although it is sometimes a mother/woman who abuses a child it is extremely rare and is usually for the pleasure of a man.

It is unfortunately not that rare for a man to do that. I mean obviously it's still really rare compared to the amount of people and children there are, but well, there are so many of us that it becomes more common to come across it. I mean really, when you come to think of it, most of the evil of the world comes mostly from men... wars... over the top violence... rape... paedophilia... Really I think men should just hand over the keys of the world to women. If men lost some of their egos and took a step back to allow women to be in control then maybe a fuck load of things would be resolved. Not that women are perfect or don't do these things... but... you know.. just sayin'.