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This is horrible and terrible and freaks me out so much.

I wish there was something 'we' (the normal people) could do about this, also about the 50 million(!!!) refugees at this moment, that number hasn't been this high since the second world war. This is going dreadfully wrong and the world would benefit from some serious worldwide companionship.
 
Read that we started using Apache helicopters against these dudes. Imagine how terrifying it has to be to see one of those in your area if you're a member of ISIS. Lot of respect for the Kurdish Forces, hope we do more to help them soon. Reading about the female Kurdish fighter that blew herself up and killed up to 10 members of ISIS, just crazy stuff.
 
Time for me to don my flame retardant suite, because I know I'm about to be burned for speaking my mind on this subject.

I'll start with a very brief history lesson for those that aren't aware. I apologize for those that already know this. For the participation of Sunni assistance in overthrowing the Ottoman empire in World War 1, the Sunni's were promised rule over the specific land they were majority in after Allied victory.

In a conspiracy theory which ended up being revealed through an unlikely twist of fate, it turned out the Britain, French and Russia actually under the table agreed to restructure the borders of the Middle East in a colonial fashion to make the area easy to control, and further divided these newly created countries between themselves. This was known as the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the only reason we know about this underhanded conspiracy theory is because the Bolsheviks rose to power and overthrew the Russian Tsar, and revealed it to the world. If you are interested in conspiracy theories, this is a great thing to read about. It was only revealed through unlikely circumstances.

Since World War 1 and the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the rulers of these Middle Eastern countries have been horrible, brutal dictators. The reason for this is precisely because of these borders drawn post World War 1 by the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

British colonalism 101: Draw up borders where there is a very sizable majority of a group of people. Prop up and support the minority group to rule over the majority with the economic and military assistance provided to them. The minority group will become a puppet state, as they depend on the assistance of the foreign power to keep their rule over the majority. The minority group must rule with an iron fist to estabilish themselves as the rulers. This obviousily further divides the hatred between the majority and minority groups, allowing the cycle of violence and ease of ruling to continue.

As long as the borders continue the way they are in these countries, I believe this violence will continue. Intervention and bombing ISIS won't stop the cycle of violence. Nothing has stopped the violence for the last 100 years. There is either war, revolutions, or brutal dictators commiting state sanctioned murder and torture to keep the peace.

Keep in mind that although we are only hearing about the atrocities commited by ISIS, all sides are commiting atrocities (albeit not on the scale ISIS seems to be). Also keep in mind that ISIS does not want to conquer all of Syria and Iraq, they want to restructure the borders that will seperate the Sunni, Shia (who will presumably join with Iran), and Kurds (who has land that ISIS is not claiming).

I hate ISIS. I hate the horror and death they promote. I hate what they are doing to innocents. But I hate those that came before ISIS, infact I hate everyone that has ruled that entire region over the last 100 years, and if our mentality continues the way it does, I'm sure I will hate the next people after ISIS.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if we truly want the cycle of death to continue, maybe we should stop promoting military action and let the dice fall where they may. The murder of incubator babies are horrible, but also used against the public as an emotional tool to support these wars. These wars which are lobbied and funded by the richest industries in the United States.

One other thing I'd like to touch on. I find it disconcerting that the US financed and provided weapons to Al Nusra front to fight against the Syrian government. Al Nusra front ended up becoming ISIS. ISIS is fighting using US provided weapons and was previousily financed by the United States. Also, "saving the innocents from ISIS" completely flipped public opinion of non-intervention into Syria. Now everyone is crying that something must be done and the war drums beat once more.

This almost rhymes with the support of the first Gulf War, where Saddam was supported entirely by the United States, including providing the very gases that Saddam used on the Shia's which were later used as evidence to villify him, and not entirely discouraged to declare war on Kuwait then using this as casus belli to declare war.

Not to get too conspiratorial, but I believe there is a lot we don't know about US Foreign policy and the real reasons these situations occur. Perhaps we should stop turning to our emotional brain when they do.
 
ACFFAN69 I totally see where you are coming from in that the USA hide a lot. Forgive me for being ignorant but I had it in my head that Isis formed from al-Qaeda after we invaded the first time and empowered them to rise against the government.


Either way I don't think air strikes will do a single thing to stop them it's like flicking an elephant. It's vile knowing that this is going on and we civilians can do nothing about it but watch it on the news. Which is unfortunately making us (a hell of a lot of people in the UK) very racist very quicky. Which is of course not helping :(
 
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ACFFAN69 I totally see where you are coming from in that the USA hide a lot. Forgive me for being ignorant but I had it in my head that Isis formed from al-Qaeda after we invaded the first time and empowered them to rise against the government.


Either way I don't think air strikes will do a single thing to stop them it's like flicking an elephant. It's vile knowing that this is going on and we civilians can do nothing about it but watch it on the news. Which is unfortunately making us (a hell of a lot of people in the UK) very racist very quicky. Which is of course not helping :(

Al Nusra front was a group considering itself Al Qaeda fighting for the overthrow of Bashar in Syria. They allied with Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi who was the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq (ISI), who gained his power strictly because of the West overthrow of Saddam. They allied in the war to overthrow Syria.

While fighting Bashar they were financed and provided weapons by the United States for the war. During the war in Syria earlier this year, Al-Baghdadi announced his group and Al Nusra Front were merging and became ISIS. By far the majority of Al Nusra Front joined him. A few didn't and still consider themselves Al Nusra front; and the leadership of Al Qaeda recognizes them as the official Al Qaeda in Syria.

This merging caused a schism between Al Qaeda and ISIS, Al Qaeda leadership does not recognize Al-Baghdadi's merge nor recognize him as the leader of Al Nusra. They only wished to recognize him as Al Qaeda in Iraq. They also consider ISIS to be far more militant and violent then they should be against other non-fundamentalist and non-Sunnni Muslims (yes I realise the insanity in that statement, even Al Qaedi considers them to brutal), and they do not agree with ISIS stance on destroying mosques.

At this point ISIS no longer considers itself a part of Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda isn't a structured organization, it is many different groups very loosely linked together. Infact the actual name Al Qaeda comes from the name of the CIA database that held all Sunni Islamic terrorist groups. It never has been a strong, top down organization, but rather many gangs of religious douchebags that want an outlet for their anger and banded together to form a larger group.

The remaining Al Nusra front (which is considered part of Al Qaeda) and ISIS were at war but a truce has been called.
 
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Summermfc said:
ACFFAN69 I totally see where you are coming from in that the USA hide a lot. Forgive me for being ignorant but I had it in my head that Isis formed from al-Qaeda after we invaded the first time and empowered them to rise against the government.


Either way I don't think air strikes will do a single thing to stop them it's like flicking an elephant. It's vile knowing that this is going on and we civilians can do nothing about it but watch it on the news. Which is unfortunately making us (a hell of a lot of people in the UK) very racist very quicky. Which is of course not helping :(

I should have also mentioned that I can understand and appreciate that feeling of helplessness. When I was younger it used to very much bother me. Now that I'm older, I realised that we are just best to focus our energy in being positive to those we meet around us.

The problem with these larger issues is that they are just symptoms of a much larger illness. We spend a lot of effort attempting to heal these symptoms, but it seems everytime we do, they just re-appear again in a similiar fashion.

I believe that a global consciousness change on a grand scale is the only thing that will fix things. I actually believe that positive change has been occuring for thousands of years now, it is just a very slow process. One day these larger issues will be resolved completely, but the important thing to do for now is just attempt be a very small part of this change for those you meet, and hopefully they will do the same, until one day hundreds or thousands of years from now, these larger issues will be a thing of the past.
 
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Please explain how the US supported Saddam in the first Gulf War while at the same time leading an international coalition that decimated the Iraqi army. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
 
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Please explain how the US supported Saddam in the first Gulf War while at the same time leading an international coalition that decimated the Iraqi army. Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.

My apologies for being unclear. They did not support Saddam during the first Gulf War, they funded him as a dictator until he invaded Kuwait and started the Gulf War.

Saddam Hussein was a close ally of the united states, they funded him greatly with money and weapons in his war against Iran. It turned out they were also funding Iran illegally with weapons through the nicaraguan Contra's (I won't go too indepth in this, but if you are curious read about the Iran-Contra affair). It was a neat trick to keep both sides at war, which weakened Iran and kept Saddam in their pocket.

The weapons they were providing Saddam included poisonous gas which was later used as justification to villify him as the next Hitler and start the first Gulf War. It was heavily reported at the time while he was gassing his own people, that the very same gas was being provided to him by the United States, and people were demanding that they stop supporting a brutal dictator.

You ever watch the Simpsons who shot Mr Burns episode? Remember the catalyst for everyone hating Mr Burns was because he created drilling fields next to the school and drilled sideways to steal the schools oil? This is called Slant Drilling. Saddam Hussein accused Kuwait of doing this, and used this as a Casus Belli for war.

He asked the American Ambassador what the United States reaction to this invasion would be. There are multiple transcripts of what was said, going from the US saying straight "we have no opinion in this conflict" to "in the spirit of friendship we ask you do not take any aggressive action, but make sure to end this situation quickly". Either way, Saddam says he believed that the US said they would not get involved. As we know, he was wrong.
 
Thank you for the apology and clearing that up.
 
Summermfc said:
I don't think air strikes will do a single thing to stop them it's like flicking an elephant. It's vile knowing that this is going on and we civilians can do nothing about it but watch it on the news.(
I don't think this is an accurate comparison or at least I don't think they are powerful enough yet to deserve the comparison. Have been a few civilians from the US and UK that decided to go and help fight against ISIS. Also some that decided to go fight for ISIS. Some 19 year old kid from Chicago was recently arrested on his way to join ISIS. We can do much more than just watch it on the news and feel helpless.
 
Another Politicized response that will appear to mirror the action of the Viet Nam era.

Politicians have no idea how to respond militarily. Micromanagement has never worked in an armed conflict.

Politicians - state the objective and then let the military plan and complete the objective.
 
The only real fix for all of this was to leave Saddam in power. He was by far the lesser evil compared to what has come since, and had extraordinary influence across the middle east. Now the only possibility is for the west to mind its own damn business, or at best support countries that share borders or are affected by these conflicts. Hezbollah, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Syria.
 
I find it interesting that the old shell game the US plays around the world is now FINALLY coming to light and so many find it hard to believe. In many ways, we are no better than those we fund to stir things up around the world. We just have the deep pockets to keep the war machine churning. sigh.
 
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