I want to cam - and I need some advice.

[RedLady]

Hi ladies, so I've made a decision. Yesterday I signed up for Streamate. While I wait for the approval I want to prepare myself for it as good as it's possible. I've spent two days on reading this forum and camming section on strippers web, but still some things are not clear to me.

Firstly, someone finding out a video of me masturbating online is not an option for me (because of future carrier field), so I really need to take care of privacy. I live in an european country, where I think streamate is not so popular, and my ideas are:

1)geo block whole country
2)disguise my room
3)not show my face on the cam , conceal characteristic moles and such things
4)order payoneer card, so nothing is on my bank account (IF i understood right how it works)
5) use proxy (is it necessery?)
Any others tips how to keep camming a secret?

Another thing I was wondering about is what is more prospective, becoming a non nude model and showing my face on the cam, or doing nude shows with face hidden? Do non nude shows also get recorded and uploaded on pornsites?

And after all am I going to make any money? I've heard geoblocking is drastically decreasing number of viewers and keeping face hidden will make me even less atractive

And am I able to cam from my android tablet? I broke my laptop few days ago and it's going to take some time before it's fixed. I have browser with flash and I can watch cams.

I think that's all for now When i first read about camming, I couldn't believe someone is able to make such money just on doing online shows from their room. It would save my ass since I'm literally broke and I have crappy job where I make equivalent of ~6$, and I can't even work full time since I'm a student.

So hope you can help me to get started, and sorry for anygrammar mistakes (english isnt my native lamguage).

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Streamate posts videos of your shows online.. i believe. It's in your contract. They own your feed.

If "
Firstly, someone finding out a video of me masturbating online is not an option for me"

DO NOT CAM.

I really really dont want to discourage anyone that wants to do this but if being found out is NOT AN OPTION for you then camming is NOT an OPTION for you. it's just not. Your feed will be recorded. You will be placed on tube sites. Some of those sites will not let you take those feeds down. ALL shows get recorded and posted on tube sites. ALL of them.

I'm really sorry.. i just don't think this is a good idea.Your ideas are risk reduction.. they are NOT going to stop you from being outed.

 

[LittleLei]

1)geo block whole country
For SM, this will have an impact on gaining traffic for you room.

2)disguise my room
A lot of web models have to move things around every shift, especially if they do not have a designated camming space, but it is extremely repetitive and tiring to do.

3)not show my face on the cam , conceal characteristic moles and such things
You've already acknowledge the effect this will have.

4)order payoneer card, so nothing is on my bank account (IF i understood right how it works)
There are many options on how to receive payments, just make sure you read what the sites offer.

5) use proxy (is it necessery?)
Any others tips how to keep camming a secret?
You can do this, but what will this accomplish?

I'm not saying this to try to paint how scary camming can be, because I do love it, but being on the internet spreads like wildfire. You can take necessary precautions, but besides Streamate posting your shows for their affiliates there are regular people like you and me who will record you. They don't even need to be on when you are on to click record. The amount of bots and programs to record live streams is out of my knowledge.

I think you should really take time to reconsider if you will be comfortable being exposed one way or another. You don't have to masturbate to be recorded, anytime you are live streaming online it should be taken with high precaution that your feed will be recorded. I'm not sure if you are grasping how large, fast, and accessible the World Wide Web is. There are plenty of people who are very intelligent with computers and capable of finding their way around and putting things together.

It's an industry that is an opportunity for a lot of people, but you'll have to come to terms that exposure of who you are and what you are doing will increase exponentially.

 

[AmberCutie]

Given all of your requirements, no you will not make enough money for this effort to be worth it. And no, you cannot cam from your tablet.

 

[RedLady]

Thank you all for your answers. I do realize that there's always a chance of being cought. But for me, the question is what the chances are. I've always loved the internet for the anonymity it gives its users. I mean, I can create whole new personality and a total opposite od me. Even if somebody records me, why does it matter if no one could recognise me? Camming is tempting me not only because of money, but also because it seems like a lot of fun to me. When I was younger I would often go on various internet chats and video chats just to talk to people. Is camming really like 'eventually someone will know for sure', especially IF you don't show your face EVER, and are from some small foreign country?

 

[AmberCutie]

Camming is tempting me not only because of money, but also because it seems like a lot of fun to me. When I was younger I would often go on various internet chats and video chats just to talk to people.

Those people you enjoyed talking to as a member, did they show their face? Did you spend money on them?

 

[RedLady]

I didn't spend any money on them, it was all free. And yes, I could see their faces.
To be specific, I thought I could dress like on the photos I added to the post. Do you think guys on Streamate would like this? I'd also buy a wig and use fake bake body bronzer, so even my boyfriend wouldn't be able to recognise my body.

 

[Teagan]

Here's the thing, if you do not show your face you are not going to make much money if really any. Girls who dont shoot themselves in the foot before they even start. Guys like seeing every bit of you and a headless body is just not attractive to them really. So with doing that and getting less money if any your placement will suffer and less guys will even see you and come to your room till basically you have no one coming in ever. You're still gonna be recorded too.

So your other option is to show your face. With that you are obviously taking a giant risk in being found out. You will be recorded even if you are sitting there in a turtleneck and jeans and you will be posted across the internet. Forever. Which means you risk being found out that at one time you were on a porn site (regardless of if you ever even got naked or sexual) in a year, in 5 years, in 10 years...basically the rest of your life. It's usually better to just accept the fact that camming means that one day someone you know will find you and find out about it.

Honestly if you absolutely can not be found to be doing this line of work then do not do this. You're not gonna make money being faceless and if you show your face you will be found out one day. Geoblocking does nothing to help you, and plus VPNs arent allowed on streamate either.

 

[RedLady]

Here's the thing, if you do not show your face you are not going to make much money if really any. Girls who dont shoot themselves in the foot before they even start. Guys like seeing every bit of you and a headless body is just not attractive to them really. So with doing that and getting less money if any your placement will suffer and less guys will even see you and come to your room till basically you have no one coming in ever. You're still gonna be recorded too.

So your other option is to show your face. With that you are obviously taking a giant risk in being found out. You will be recorded even if you are sitting there in a turtleneck and jeans and you will be posted across the internet. Forever. Which means you risk being found out that at one time you were on a porn site (regardless of if you ever even got naked or sexual) in a year, in 5 years, in 10 years...basically the rest of your life. It's usually better to just accept the fact that camming means that one day someone you know will find you and find out about it.

Honestly if you absolutely can not be found to be doing this line of work then do not do this. You're not gonna make money being faceless and if you show your face you will be found out one day. Geoblocking does nothing to help you, and plus VPNs arent allowed on streamate either.

Thank you for your answer. Of what you say is true, I'll try camming both ways - I'll make a profile on one site where I will show my face and won't get naked, and on other site I'll try webcamming naked with face hidden. Honestly I don't really care if someone records me in my clothes on. Doing non-nude shows only, would be a bit boring to me however.

 

[melanieoncam]

Thank you for your answer. Of what you say is true, I'll try camming both ways - I'll make a profile on one site where I will show my face and won't get naked, and on other site I'll try webcamming naked with face hidden. Honestly I don't really care if someone records me in my clothes on. Doing non-nude shows only, would be a bit boring to me however.

Non-nude shows affect your outside career prospects almost the same way as nude ones.

Once you are seen on a porn site you have all the same assumptions about you whether nude or not.
Plus, non-nude shows are still expected to be very sexually oriented most of the time (actually they are way dirtier when I do them than my nude ones lol, because they tend to be domme/fetish oriented).

 

[SatanJonez]

There is no if, it's when you will be found out. If that is something that CAN'T happen in your life for whatever reason don't risk it. What is put on the internet stays there and no matter how careful you think you can be (masks, bronzer, whatever) there is always a risk someone will out you or find you even long after you've quit. You really need to think about whether the possible short term gain of being an online sex worker (yes, even as a non-nude model as @melanieoncam stated, people still buy into the stigma of porn sites even if you weren't technically doing anything sexual) out weigh the risks and ramifications to your real life before you jump the gun and do it.

On top of that there is absolutely zero guarantee there will be any reward for the risk. It is not an easy job and not many girls last long, but as I already said there are more than likely still screen caps of them out there just waiting to be stumbled upon by a vengeful ex, closed minded family member or a potential boss.

 

[AnneDVille]

I recently came across a very old online forum I used to frequent about 10 years ago. All my posts are still there and the place still has traffic.... somehow.

My point being that absolutely everything you put on the internet will stay there forever. There is no taking it back. Just wanted to emphasise on what everyone else said, so you need to really think about the risks before you take the plunge. Plus, success in this industry is not guaranteed. But being on porn sites forever is.

 

[Serenity_Tam]

These ladies aren't pulling your chain - they are correct and totally serious. If this is a job that will affect a future you want you have to decide which you want more. There are very few places that have anti-discrimination laws regarding legal source of income.

From the outside looking in this is a glamorous job, and we make bank. And it's easy! And everything is fun! And sparkly! And oh em gee moneeeyyy! Those outside perceptions are CRAP. This is not easy money, in fact most gals don't make enough to live off this, let alone save for the future. It is a struggle. Not only that, this job is hard on your body (depending on the type of shows your doing especially). It is an isolated job, many of us can't talk to our families or many of our friends about it, and when we do those people can't empathize. This job can break your confidence rather than build it. You can be the most gorgeous person with a bangin body and make $3 in a night, or even nothing. This job sucks your free time. To be successful I think most agree that a large part of your life will revolve around the job. Furthermore as these ladies have been saying ... YOU WILL be found out. Period. The end. This affects the future of many of us. There are somethings I will not be able to do now in my future. Recently I was thinking of using my degree to be a teacher, not going to happen because five years ago I made the decision to make this my career. Enjoy this recent bit of news if you think it won't happen: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...udity-more-than-40-years-ago/article21183669/ Countless gals have been found by malicious "fans" and internet stalkers - I know some of them are so careful about life details and hiding themselves - so on top of future employers finding out you also must consider random poops. OH and by the way, enjoy an empty resume when you decide to get your vanilla job.

I don't mean to come off as harsh, but it can be so irritating having ladies with the best of intentions not listen and only see what they want.This is sex work. This will affect your life in the future, it is not a choice you can make on a whim because it will ALWAYS affect your future no matter how sneaky you think you are. Sex work is NOT easy money.

For your sake listen to these gals, some of the most successful women in this industry have given you advice. Get the point and take it.

 

[AmberCutie]

Those people you enjoyed talking to as a member, did they show their face? Did you spend money on them?

I didn't spend any money on them, it was all free. And yes, I could see their faces.

Maybe I was being too subtle here, I had a point that you sort of proved with your answer.

The people you enjoyed and watched showed their faces. The chances you would have spent much/any time with them if they hadn't is very small.

You enjoyed them but still didn't spend any money on them. You were like the 90% of viewers who only watch for free, which you will experience if you try this, only your percentage may be even smaller by not showing your face and hiding most of your features. You will be more unapproachable and less desirable to viewers.

 

[LittleLei]

Is camming really like 'eventually someone will know for sure', especially IF you don't show your face EVER, and are from some small foreign country?

The smaller the area the easier to pinpoint imo.

Edit- I guess I meant this as if you were honest about where you state your location is.

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

These ladies aren't pulling your chain - they are correct and totally serious. If this is a job that will affect a future you want you have to decide which you want more. There are very few places that have anti-discrimination laws regarding legal source of income.

From the outside looking in this is a glamorous job, and we make bank. And it's easy! And everything is fun! And sparkly! And oh em gee moneeeyyy! Those outside perceptions are CRAP. This is not easy money, in fact most gals don't make enough to live off this, let alone save for the future. It is a struggle. Not only that, this job is hard on your body (depending on the type of shows your doing especially). It is an isolated job, many of us can't talk to our families or many of our friends about it, and when we do those people can't empathize. This job can break your confidence rather than build it. You can be the most gorgeous person with a bangin body and make $3 in a night, or even nothing. This job sucks your free time. To be successful I think most agree that a large part of your life will revolve around the job. Furthermore as these ladies have been saying ... YOU WILL be found out. Period. The end. This affects the future of many of us. There are somethings I will not be able to do now in my future. Recently I was thinking of using my degree to be a teacher, not going to happen because five years ago I made the decision to make this my career. Enjoy this recent bit of news if you think it won't happen: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...udity-more-than-40-years-ago/article21183669/ Countless gals have been found by malicious "fans" and internet stalkers - I know some of them are so careful about life details and hiding themselves - so on top of future employers finding out you also must consider random poops. OH and by the way, enjoy an empty resume when you decide to get your vanilla job.

I don't mean to come off as harsh, but it can be so irritating having ladies with the best of intentions not listen and only see what they want.This is sex work. This will affect your life in the future, it is not a choice you can make on a whim because it will ALWAYS affect your future no matter how sneaky you think you are. Sex work is NOT easy money.

For your sake listen to these gals, some of the most successful women in this industry have given you advice. Get the point and take it.

Agreed. If you're going to put yourself through this much risk you might as well go all the way and maximize your profits. If you are found out, you will probably be fired/chastised anyway regardless of whether you are nude.

 

[ThePrincessLuxy]

Another thought- if you are looking for anonymity, you could try sugaring or escorting? That way you would have minimal exposure on the Internet and no traceable record for employers.

 

[LydiaFrost]

Some camsites don't allow masks/ not being in the frame with your face : camsdotcom is one of them. Just a headsup.

And if you are afraid of being outed, streamate is really not the best option. They post your shows on a whitelabelsite as advertisement and also have other ways of advertising as in popups on pornsites and it is all in the model agreement form.

Even if you have geoblocking on streamate on, they still will use your stuff in advertising, you can opt out of that advertising, but i think at the costs of getting traffic in your room.

 

[Guy]

Here's the thing, if you do not show your face you are not going to make much money if really any. Girls who dont shoot themselves in the foot before they even start. Guys like seeing every bit of you and a headless body is just not attractive to them really. So with doing that and getting less money if any your placement will suffer and less guys will even see you and come to your room till basically you have no one coming in ever. You're still gonna be recorded too.

So your other option is to show your face. With that you are obviously taking a giant risk in being found out. You will be recorded even if you are sitting there in a turtleneck and jeans and you will be posted across the internet. Forever. Which means you risk being found out that at one time you were on a porn site (regardless of if you ever even got naked or sexual) in a year, in 5 years, in 10 years...basically the rest of your life. It's usually better to just accept the fact that camming means that one day someone you know will find you and find out about it.

Honestly if you absolutely can not be found to be doing this line of work then do not do this. You're not gonna make money being faceless and if you show your face you will be found out one day. Geoblocking does nothing to help you, and plus VPNs arent allowed on streamate either.

What other camsites ban VPNs besides Streamate?

 

[Violet Dawn]

Sorry, but the straight truth is if getting found out isn't an option for you, neither is webcam modeling.

 

[Empress Mika]

This thread comes to mind: https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/reality-check.1123/

I echo what everyone else is saying: If you can not be found out, absolutely do not cam. I myself am a non-nude cam model and the same rules apply. This job is best done in an "all or nothing" kind of way, in my opinion.

 

[Tristyn]

If being found out is not an option for you, don't become a camgirl. While geoblocking & using a different name & completely different photos, I was found by someone I knew on *day two* of my camming career. Even if you don't get found while you're actively camming, there's nothing to stop someone from discovering your shows years after you've retired & moved on to your new career. Geoblocking is not an effective form of protection, and won't stop people from being able to see things like recorded shows, or any advertisements SM happens to use you in if you don't specifically reach out to them about opting out. I'm pretty sure there are even some threads kicking around ACF about ladies who thought they did opt out of advertisements, only to find their content being used anyway.

To expand on what Luxy said, you may have better luck doing fetish clips (where a decorative mask could be worn more easily, depending on the content) or PSO work, but keep in mind that you do still need to sign up to any of these sites using your legal name & information, so there's still no 100% traceless way to go about it.

 

[SaffronBurke]

To expand on what Luxy said, you may have better luck doing fetish clips (where a decorative mask could be worn more easily, depending on the content)

There are also a good amount of fetishes that don't require your face being in frame at all - varieties of ass, foot, shoe fetish, where the focus is far away from the face, can be pretty successful. I make at least 75% of my sex work income with my butt, it is literally my money-maker.

 

[SatanJonez]

There are also a good amount of fetishes that don't require your face being in frame at all - varieties of ass, foot, shoe fetish, where the focus is far away from the face, can be pretty successful. I make at least 75% of my sex work income with my butt, it is literally my money-maker.

Absolutely this. There are certain fetishes even where you do show your face, but it's so up close you could get away with just zooming in/getting uncomfortably close to the camera.

 

[DFT]

Lots of great advice in here. I have just one comment that reinforces what they've said.

Since Ed's (Snowden) awareness campaign of 2013 I've run almost exclusively behind a VPN on the principle of "encrypt everything" - ok, I admit I watched some BBC content on the iPlayer while logged in through London. Am I deluding myself? Sure, but it makes me happy. Point is, it's dead simple and dirt cheap to use a VPN for day to day traffic and this completely defeats the geo-block the same way I did to the BBC. The utility of that block was questionable from the start, now it's worse than useless as it suggests a layer of security that simply does not exist.

I would have geo-blocks go away because they are a false promise. More to the point I wish new models knew that upfront.

 

[Guy]

Lots of great advice in here. I have just one comment that reinforces what they've said.

Since Ed's (Snowden) awareness campaign of 2013 I've run almost exclusively behind a VPN on the principle of "encrypt everything" - ok, I admit I watched some BBC content on the iPlayer while logged in through London. Am I deluding myself? Sure, but it makes me happy. Point is, it's dead simple and dirt cheap to use a VPN for day to day traffic and this completely defeats the geo-block the same way I did to the BBC. The utility of that block was questionable from the start, now it's worse than useless as it suggests a layer of security that simply does not exist.

I would have geo-blocks go away because they are a false promise. More to the point I wish new models knew that upfront.

Which VPN do you use for iPlayer?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

There is one other risk that hasn't be discussed, your contract Streammates. SM knows who you are, they have a recording of your stream, and they have the rights to publish your image in any media that exist today and anything published in the future.
Meaning Virtual Reality with realistic sex dolls. If they want to photoshop your face that can do that also. .
For decades, Playboy and Penthouse have been going through their archives (and sometimes buy other photographer pictures) and publishing nude photos of women who posed when they were younger and now are famous. Most of the time these women were in the entertainment biz and as the stigma of posing nude decreased in stopped being a big deal, although I am sure plenty of women regretted their decision to pose when dealing with news media and family. However, every once a while Playboy published photos of mayors, doctors, teachers, congresswoman and their spouses which had pretty devastating impacts on their career. SM already broadcast streams on TV shows, so I think its only a matter of time.

 

[ninafoxxx]

If you don't want anyone to know you're camming maybe you should reconsider.Chances are SOMEONE will notice you even if you geo block certain areas (take in consideration when people that know you relocate or go on vacation) A past co-worker of mine noticed me about a year and a half thru camming-it's not the end of the world.
As far as using the geo block for a whole country you are limiting potential regulars.

Guys are going to want to see your face, and there's no way around it. Before he takes you private/exclusive he's going to want to know what you look like-and you can't blame him for that.

When Streamate gives checks they use a discreet name that sounds pretty legit, so on your bank statement you don't have to worry about it saying "I'm a cam-whore and f*ck for gold/tokens"

You can disguise your look with different wigs, a completely different makeup application, cover up tattoos with concealer/foundation, take out piercings or add fake piercings.