If you Owned a Site with 500+ Modes...

[AlexLady]

If you owned a site with 500+ models, how would you list them?

I kind-of like camscore, except when models "fake" it. I mean, if you work hard and have worked there a long time, I do believe you should be a bit higher "ranking" as far as a list goes. No offense. MFC has a decent system, it's just easily taken advantage of and it should allow random models more of a spotlight to balance it out and give more people an easier chance.

Yet, there has to be some sort of listing. Alphabetical? Random?

Equal exposure to all sounds good, but you have to keep in mind that there are models who do it for a living full time, or models that do it randomly once a year. Honest, a model who has been on a site for a year deserves more exposure than one who has only done it for a month, right? But there's more to it than just sign up date. Clearly doing it longer doesn't mean you do it "better" but really, there is no better - as camwhores come in all types. People just like some things and some types more than others.

How would you balance out exposing new models while still giving your main-models the attention they deserve?

I really don't know what I would do. What would you do?

 

[GreatDane]

Random listing and have a rating system that pops up on the avatar, and the ratings come from the members. and have the ones that are on a "friends list" show first. but the rest should be random that way it gives more exposure to all of them.

 

[Fenix001]

like Churchill said about democracy, camscore is the least worst of a bad lot. if models are listed alphbetically there will be a sharp rise in models called AAAlexlady (as an example), this is evident in the search feature on livejasmin.
random is... random, and although it will hopefully give equal coverage to all, you limit the chances of a newbie finding the same model twice.
sorting models by date joined is either going to be biased against new models or established models. that leaves popularity or exposure, here i'm defining exposure as the amount of time a model is on cam, this could be calculated as average hours per day or week etc, this would promote the models that put the hours in but not necessarily get the large pay cheques, (and yes i do have some in mind). however that system is massively open to abuse, just think of the impact of leaving cam on all night while sleeping.
Finally there is popularity, or camscore as Leo calls it.

"It has been said that Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" - Sir Winston Churchill 1874-1965

 

[Sevrin]

I would do it a lot like MFC, but with checks in place that made it less prone to manipulation.

For people who enjoy randomness, there could be a "Join a Random Model's Room" button.

Oh, and a proper search function would be nice, too. That's as important, to my way of thinking, as what order models are sorted in on the homepage.

 

[QueenMeadow]

Random mix up.
Also, be able to say I DO want a bisexual blonde with short hair and small tittes and getting all the biseual blonde pixie cut chicks (randomly) in a small area to pick a chick.

ABC order sucks cuz then you have a lot of A A1 a1steaksauce names

 

[Keithy]

(500-[User Rank]) + (hours/week)

User rank provides the initial sort based on earnings, where as preference is given to models who are more active. Short of working 200 hour work weeks, a shitty model won't sort towards the top but merely it will provide a boost in rank.
I would also allow filters based on preference tags.

 

[Fenix001]

having just re-read my earlier post, it appears to be brilliantly written but badly typed. and i appear to have forgotten to make a point. in reference to alex's first post i think that cam score is not the best way to rank models, but i can't come up with a better one that i can't think of a way to manipulate. (sometimes it helps to be a bastard in these things)

ps. i'm drunk

 

[bawksy]

Camscore is the best way to do it. You just need to put a lot of work into your camscore algorithm. If you can come up with a scheme that best quantifies the relative "quality" of a model, it is the best way to rank them. That way when new customers find your site, and want to check it out, they check out your best models first, instead of some ugly, blurry-cam, bored Filipino.

Most internet users, especially those looking for porn, have super-ADD. If they don't find something they like in a couple of seconds, they're gone. You really do need to put your best foot forward first. Then, once a customer has been hooked on the site, he can start searching down the list (or watching the lounge) for suggestions on less experienced, lower camscore models.

 

[AmyLemon]

Camscore is the best way to do it. You just need to put a lot of work into your camscore algorithm. If you can come up with a scheme that best quantifies the relative "quality" of a model, it is the best way to rank them.

I agree with Ambercakes, a score system is the best method. But if you were building a kinder gentler cam site you could rework the basic system of a camscore to reflect something more positive and less worth obsessing over and fixating on. Score systems are needed for organization, but they can be based on something as positive and friendly and innocuous as a "Sign My Guest Book". Take MFC's Rate/Admire system and simplify it Ie: you are "liked" by a member. Just one qualifying click is necessary (why there is a "Rate" Star-bar AND an "Admire"-Star bar as always kind of boggled my mind. Just a straight up "I like this girl" system would be more logical).

You could elaborate on the Guest Book theme by inviting users to post customer testimonials on the "Guest Book". In my perfect camsite *that's* what Post-walls would be for, not giant retarded emoticons featuring sparkling kittens. (naturally I still think you should be able to manage "Guest Book" posts in the event some loonie posts something crazysauce).

Catering to the ADD crowd is important too, the next-model click through system is something that makes MFC stand apart.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

A camscore system is a good way of doing it, but I'd base the system on the following (in order of priority)

1- Average viewers in the room, with paying members counting more than the rest (because that's the best indicator of popularity, I think)

2- Ratings from tips, privates and profile.

3- Token income

In all cases, more recent stats would be worth more than stats from 60 days before.

 

[Eva_ChangeN]

I agree with Mikey...but LET the MODELS KNOW what is the formula (more or less) so that they have a chance to improve, and no special treatment for "breezing thru pro porn chick"

 

[FifthElephant]

If I owned a site with 500 models.

Fundamentally, if you want to - next month - own a site with 600 models, not 400 models, you have to attract members.

Complete randomness is - probably not ideal - you really want potential members to hit a model that if not perhaps their cup of tea, at least keeps them on the site.

I'm unsure simple camscores like tokens/hour quite capture this.
For example - tokens/hour can be screwed by dropping 1000 tokens on a model in her first minute.

The other problem is that it can reward models who attract only 'high rollers'.
While you of course want high rollers, if someone logs in and sees people dropping 500 or 1000 token tips, it may cause them to not bother, as they can't compete.

I suspect I'd initially think of something like tokens/hour, but only counting the first 500(?) of any members tips an hour.
Weight new paid members first tip at 5* normal, to reward models able to convert basics.
Models get x tokens for a member signing up while watching them - even if they don't tip right away.

I'd do the member classes slightly differently.
Guests and basics stay.

But, it's possible for models to do 'member shows'. Model clicks 'member show' - and all basics/guests getkicked (or split off, like happens in group), and only members can see.
Insertions/dildos, ... are possible in this, but only solo.

Group allows men on cam, or g/g, as does private.

Model can (with the approval of the person paying private) sell through the site copies of privates, group shows, or member shows.

 

[Mirra]

I like the idea of being able to resort the list according to preferences. Sometimes maybe I want to see who has the most people in their room right this second as a room with a ton of people RIGHT NOW gives a good indication of if anyone is doing a special show. Some kind of calculated score is also a good idea. Friends showing up first in the list are definitely a great thing. And hell, why not have a "Surprise Me" or "Random" listing too? Might be fun to just see a random list of models in no particular order save what an RNG algorithm determined.

As to defining a better camscore style system, that could be an entire thread in and of itself. I do like the idea of Mikey's to somehow use average viewers. I also feel like the token contribution per time thing that MFC seems to use is really smart from a business perspective but also makes it incredibly easy to manipulate in the short-term for a new model.

 

[Sevrin]

If I owned a cam site, I would want it to make money for me. Most of my income will come from relatively few members who feel that they are getting value for their money, and it will be generated by relatively few models. If I have a rating system, I will tailor it to accommodate those members and models. "Fairness" is not my primary concern. I don't care that studios or the models themselves pump tokens into a model's account to manipulate her score, because money is money. It has to appeal to the general audience, as a large audience adds to the prestige of my site, but I'm not going to let the general audience run my site.

Tokens over time is key. People who have a lot of disposable income may spend it frivolously on luxuries like MFC, but that does not mean that they don't want to maximize the returns on their expenditures. Not only do their tips benefit the model they tip directly, but they get the added benefit of seeing that model rise in stature on the website by increasing her camscore. People derive a sense of self-worth from the stature of those they associate with. Some members even make a game of promoting one model or another, and can, by themselves, put models on the top 20 list just for kicks, or to make another model jealous. MFC does not only sell sex and companionship; they sell ego gratification. If you take that away, you will take away a lot of the incentive to tip big.

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I also feel like the token contribution per time thing that MFC seems to use is really smart from a business perspective but also makes it incredibly easy to manipulate in the short-term for a new model.

The easy way to fix that would be to limit how much a score could increase during a model's "new model" period (meaning her 1st 10 hours on cam). It's not perfect, but it will keep new models from having scores over 10k within 5 minutes of being online.

 

[FifthElephant]

The easy way to fix that would be to limit how much a score could increase during a model's "new model" period (meaning her 1st 10 hours on cam). It's not perfect, but it will keep new models from having scores over 10k within 5 minutes of being online.

Or just make it so that only average people in room boost camscore for those 10 hours.

 

[AlexLady]

Camscore is the best way to do it. You just need to put a lot of work into your camscore algorithm. If you can come up with a scheme that best quantifies the relative "quality" of a model, it is the best way to rank them. That way when new customers find your site, and want to check it out, they check out your best models first, instead of some ugly, blurry-cam, bored Filipino.

Most internet users, especially those looking for porn, have super-ADD. If they don't find something they like in a couple of seconds, they're gone. You really do need to put your best foot forward first. Then, once a customer has been hooked on the site, he can start searching down the list (or watching the lounge) for suggestions on less experienced, lower camscore models.

Yay! Awesome points from Bawksy!

Models always say they'd like to do away with camscore... it's great to be on because you want to somedays and not worry about it lowering your income "average."

Yet... there has to be some sort of system, or it'll all go to fail. Some models will work their asses off. Some will have nicer tits, or yet, a better personality. Some can entertain better. Some just sit there bored out of their minds talking on their cellphone to their boyfriends the whole time. Seriously, there has to be something. Models may hate camscores, but they do just as much good for us as they do a lower-score-model harm. Hell, you can't directly blame your score for a bad day every day; after all as I've pointed out before, I made three times as much with a camscore of 2k than I am with a score of 4k!

 

[Mirra]

Alright... so I've been trying to look at this even more from a site owner perspective and yet trying to reduce the problems present in the system MFC uses since they're what I'm most familiar with. I think of it as a fraction with the top being what I'll call Awesome Points and the bottom being a number of hours spent online. Through some discussions with others, I'm going to use the "last two months" as my time frame.

One of the first things is introducing some sort of average concerning users in a room. I've had a lot of different thoughts on this subject since I don't believe there is anything like it in MFC's calculation. The most basic idea is that you have at least two distinctions. Those distinctions are between paying members (premiums) and non-paying members (basics). Premiums hanging out are worth more than basics or guests since premiums have purchased tokens before so they're statistically likely to purchase tokens again if they find a reason. I've also considered premiums being the only ones who count. Other ideas related to this were whether unique tippers during the time period would count even more towards the audience part of the Awesome Points. That said, some premium passing through trying to find a show or a particular kind of model probably shouldn't count so I thought there should be a minimum amount of time spent in said models room to count. Another idea was if a model should get bonus points if a member signs up to buy their first tokens while in a model's room.

Tokens and ratings are the primary factor most people on MFC are pretty sure affect a model's camscore. Tokens are pretty straight forward as a factor of amount earned over the time period used for calculating. Ratings on the otherhand are something I am not sure I would even bother with if I were running things. If I did allow ratings, I would change one thing from how MFC does it by allowing groups to be rated 1-10 though I would still require a token minimum such as the 90 token min MFC uses in order to rate.

The equation itself is not something I feel I have the resources available to develop accurately. My idea revolves around the idea of making the audience and token/rating parts of the Awesome Points approximately equally as strong... so, given a 2 month time period if a model makes 150k tokens and has 5k worth of ratings, the audience amount needs to be augmented to put it in the low 6 digit range as well. Girls who tend to pull in big spenders AND girls who get big crowds both do well. Girls who do both are ultimately on top though.

Now you might be asking yourself "Self, how would a new model have any chance in hell with this kind of system?" For the first month of a model's account existing, they would be put in a different ranking along with only other new models though it would be based on the same factors. The top scoring new model would then be listed dispersed amongst other models. The way I envisioned it would be the top new model would be listed 6th on the entire list if she was online at the same time as the 5 top models on the site. 2nd new model would be 12th, 3rd new model would be 18th. Based on this idea, if the top 15 models on the site were online, the 3rd new model would still be listed within the first 20 on the site which is still a pretty good place to be when building a reputation. I also considered doing it in a slightly different way which was basically the same 6/12/18/24 thing but would only count online models and online new models. Either way substantially benefits both new models and very successful veterans.

The goals behind my ideas are to 1. Promote the models who make me the most money and attract the most people while costing me relatively little in bandwidth costs and 2. Give talented new models who may become top models a fast track to the top without being too big of an advantage over the veteran models who have their established regulars when it comes to getting random traffic.

HANG OUT TIME! A lot of the models I watch like to have hang out days and yet they worry about killing their score by being on cam without actually trying for tips. My idea? Hang out mode. While you're in this mode, your time online doesn't count... but neither do your token and audience numbers. It cannot be toggled on and off at will to avoid being abused. I thought either a cooldown type period for changing it (1 hour?) or having to schedule it ahead of time (even 5 minutes before) and being locked into the amount of time scheduled. I believe the scheduled time is less prone to abuse with just two little caveats. 1. Scheduled time cannot be cancelled once a block of it has started. 2. Scheduled time must be at least a certain period of time since 5 mins of "hang out time" is just silliness. It is a risk a model must choose to take or not to go into hangout time mode because if something strange happens and a seemingly random tip storm/war happens while you're in hangout time, you didn't get any benefit in score from it. Or possibly you cannot be tipped at all during Hang Out time though I believe that may be disappointing to some premiums who do enjoy tipping just for smiles.

In the end, the main thing is to be slightly more forthcoming with information to your models than Leo has been with CamScore. Yet obviously you should not not completely give away your formula since if you get one that works well for your bottom-line AND keeps models happy, you can bet other sites will want to know the details of how it's calculated.

 

[caireen]

this topic is a bit old, but i've always thought that in MFCs case (or the case of another site that were to use a camscore-like system) that there needs to be a few 'freebie' days that don't affect cam score- so for example your ten worst token-earning hours/days/log-ins/whatever don't count towards an overall total within a given time period- that way girls that are sick/on their rag/wanting to just hang out and do fun but less-earning potential things on cam/ can come online and chill with their guys but not feel pressured to be constantly making money, while still being rewarded for having overall high earnings. (and i think girls coming on and just hanging out and not feeling pressured to make money at times can really contribute to the sense of community that people feel in a particular girl's room).

 

[Keltaric]

Oh, and a proper search function would be nice, too. That's as important, to my way of thinking, as what order models are sorted in on the homepage.

It kinda amazes me how lacking the search features are. Some of that would require that MFC require more specific profile settings from the models rather than free form.

I was surprised that you couldn't search by things like body type, boob size, tattoos (none, a few, tons), and a number of other criterion that would help people see a bunch of models that suit their interests.

Better search options would help models of all camscore ranges by letting people narrow their model browsing.

 

[KillerKunt]

I was surprised that you couldn't search by things like body type, boob size, tattoos (none, a few, tons), and a number of other criterion that would help people see a bunch of models that suit their interests.

Better search options would help models of all camscore ranges by letting people narrow their model browsing.

I totally agree with this. A search function of that kind would help me find the type of models I like.

Oh, I like how MFC mentions that they are always looking for ways to improve the site. lol. Can anyone tell me what improvements they have made in the last year or even two??

 

[Mikeythegeek]

I totally agree with this. A search function of that kind would help me find the type of models I like.

Oh, I like how MFC mentions that they are always looking for ways to improve the site. lol. Can anyone tell me what improvements they have made in the last year or even two??

The News Feed! So we can see all the stupid shit everyone's thinking on the Twatter (as Frankie calls it).

/gots nothing

 

[Sevrin]

For people who hang in the lounge like I used to, the model linking was an improvement.

 

[Bocefish]

Oh, I like how MFC mentions that they are always looking for ways to improve the site. lol. Can anyone tell me what improvements they have made in the last year or even two??

Aside from the news feed, another excellent addition was the model preview. You can now scroll over the models name to see a recent screencap preview of her room.

http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1497&p=21156&hilit=MFC+new+feature#p21156

 

[AngelNery]

If i would be a site owner:
No cam score! It's stigmatizing. I would shuffle the models around, and give fair exposure to everybody.
MFC is a who tips more, or who has most members in room site right now, functioning on the heard effect, and that means is usually only one room on the site at a time. While other models have nobody in the room, or afraid to log on for various reasons: stress, because some other model is on, and afraid of not making tokens and ruining cam score aka placement on site; members getting bitter and not be bale to keep up with models goals, ruining the spontaneity of model-member relationship; everybody knows that mfc is a great site for the first 50 models placed on the first page, in the first rows, while other models are stigmatized with a low score, and members think it's okay to ask fisting for 20 tokens, or not to tip at all, and freeload , because, hey! the models 'sucks" anyway, right?!:no respect for models, aka secret, shady scoring system from the owners, letting models tip themselves for higher scores, greediness, basically they succeeded to take models money too, congratulations MFC!
I would hide tip amounts,(maybe just say, x member sent a tip to model( $5), or x member sent a big tip to model($5-unlimited,) nobody else's business how much a members tips, or how much a model makes per day.
I would allow outside contact with members, and giving away higher percentage to models would make it unfavorable to most models to have risky transactions for shows outside the site. MFC has control over this with cams core speculations (since nobody knows how it really works),but getting lots of tokens will have to work, so models will make anything possible to pump tokens into their accounts for better cam score placement on page, because again, otherwise this site just not worth it.
I would not let models focus their energy,how to game the system on my site, but on getting more private chats.
I know free chat it's great marketing for models and the site, but would time limit the guests presence in room, and models would be able to get rid of guest if they wanted. More power to the model.
I,m would not allow nudity in free chat. No minors, freeloaders, or guest in free chat, getting free stuff from generous, entertaining models, who will not pay for it anyway. If a member wants nude one on one action could take the model pvt, or the model could choose to go payed nude chat if he, she wants. I know some members,a nd also models will say that i can't do this because there is so much nudity, porn, and free stuff out there anyway, but hey live webcam one on one, personal performance is pvt it's a different thing. And why would i target anyway cheap, free porn lovers, that's not my goal.
This ideas are nothing new, they are being implemented by lots of successful sites out there. Basically i would take all the good ideas, that i liked as a model, i would take other models suggestions, that are not based on their greediness, and make a site that models would love to be online, without unnecessary site created stress.

 

[eclipse76]

Oh, and a proper search function would be nice, too. That's as important, to my way of thinking, as what order models are sorted in on the homepage.

It kinda amazes me how lacking the search features are. Some of that would require that MFC require more specific profile settings from the models rather than free form.

I was surprised that you couldn't search by things like body type, boob size, tattoos (none, a few, tons), and a number of other criterion that would help people see a bunch of models that suit their interests.

Better search options would help models of all camscore ranges by letting people narrow their model browsing.

Although, it seems a good idea, if I was to search on specific criterias, I would never have found and tipped some models on my friend list.
For example I hate tatoos so it would have excluded Harliequinn : bad bad idea

 

[Mirra]

Oh, and a proper search function would be nice, too. That's as important, to my way of thinking, as what order models are sorted in on the homepage.

It kinda amazes me how lacking the search features are. Some of that would require that MFC require more specific profile settings from the models rather than free form.

I was surprised that you couldn't search by things like body type, boob size, tattoos (none, a few, tons), and a number of other criterion that would help people see a bunch of models that suit their interests.

Better search options would help models of all camscore ranges by letting people narrow their model browsing.

Although, it seems a good idea, if I was to search on specific criterias, I would never have found and tipped some models on my friend list.
For example I hate tatoos so it would have excluded Harliequinn : bad bad idea

I agree 250% with this. I have two models who I consider my favorites (though MANY of you ladies are absolutely fabulous people who I reckon are awesome) but one of them never would have made it through any filter I set if I was given the choice.

 

[Keltaric]

Although, it seems a good idea, if I was to search on specific criterias, I would never have found and tipped some models on my friend list.
For example I hate tatoos so it would have excluded Harliequinn : bad bad idea

As with most web sites with any sort of filterable search, you wouldn't be forced to use all of those search options all the time if you didn't want to. It would be a completely optional search function that you'd have to choose to use or not. If you're the kind of person who would prefer to find people randomly, you could still do that.

Imagine if google gave worse results, but we were ok with it because the random, inaccurate search results were sometimes interesting. I would consider that a bad thing, personally.

 

[Keltaric]

AngelNery, you had a huge list of ideas. Some of them were really interesting, and some were pretty controversial. I hope you don't mind, but in quoting you I organized it into a numbered list so anyone who wants to can reply to a specific point by number.

If i would be a site owner:

1. No cam score! It's stigmatizing. I would shuffle the models around, and give fair exposure to everybody.
   
   
2. MFC is a who tips more, or who has most members in room site right now, functioning on the herd effect, and that means is usually only one room on the site at a time.
   
   
3. While other models have nobody in the room, or afraid to log on for various reasons: stress, because some other model is on, and afraid of not making tokens and ruining cam score aka placement on site;
   
   
4. members getting bitter and not be able to keep up with models goals, ruining the spontaneity of model-member relationship;
   
   
5. everybody knows that mfc is a great site for the first 50 models placed on the first page, in the first rows,
   
   
6. other models are stigmatized with a low score
   
   
7. members think it's okay to ask fisting for 20 tokens, or not to tip at all, and freeload , because, hey! the models 'sucks" anyway, right?!
   
   
8. no respect for models, aka secret, shady scoring system from the owners,
   
   
9. letting models tip themselves for higher scores, greediness, basically they succeeded to take models money too, congratulations MFC!
   
   
10. I would hide tip amounts,(maybe just say, x member sent a tip to model( $5), or x member sent a big tip to model($5-unlimited,) nobody else's business how much a members tips, or how much a model makes per day.
    
    
11. I would allow outside contact with members,
    
    
12. giving away higher percentage to models would make it unfavorable to most models to have risky transactions for shows outside the site.
    
    
13. I would not let models focus their energy,how to game the system on my site, but on getting more private chats.
    
    
14. I know free chat it's great marketing for models and the site, but would time limit the guests presence in room, and models would be able to get rid of guest if they wanted. More power to the model.
    
    
15. I,m would not allow nudity in free chat.
    
    
16. No minors, freeloaders, or guest in free chat, getting free stuff from generous, entertaining models, who will not pay for it anyway.
    
    
17. If a member wants nude one on one action could take the model pvt, or the model could choose to go payed nude chat if he, she wants. I know some members, and also models will say that i can't do this because there is so much nudity, porn, and free stuff out there anyway, but hey live webcam one on one, personal performance is pvt it's a different thing. And why would i target anyway cheap, free porn lovers, that's not my goal.

#1: I don't think this is practical. I imagine the old "80/20" business rule is in full effect on MFC (80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers) but probably an even wider spread. I have a feeling that more than 80% of MFC's income comes from its top 20%, and as a result there is no way they would willingly alienate or marginalize them.

Plus, having seen some of what is on page 2 and 3, I am not sure I would have stayed on the site for more than a few minutes if I'd been sorting through that stuff.

#2: That's not my experience. It seems like a lot of rooms are popular most of the time. Sure, if news gets out about a popular model doing a particularly hot or creative show, her room might get into the thousands. But even when that happens, I have popped around and seen a lot of other busy rooms too.

#3: It always seemed odd to me that your camscore could suffer from working harder/more.

#4: By this do you mean how loyal members feel pressure to bear more of the tipping load, to help their favorite model reach goals or improve camscore?

#7: That sounds like a negative feedback loop. Any suggestions for how to prevent that?

#9: I have read that the studios really abuse this.

#10: I would really be interested to hear what other models and members think about that idea. Hiding tip amounts seems like it might take away the fun factor of the huge tips, and I wonder if tip amounts also follow and 80/20 type rule. What percentage of total revenue comes from 1000+ token tips compared to < 100 token tips, for example.

#13: I didn't understand this one.

#15: I think this would kill the site.

 

[Mirra]

AngelNery, you had a huge list of ideas. Some of them were really interesting, and some were pretty controversial. I hope you don't mind, but in quoting you I organized it into a numbered list so anyone who wants to can reply to a specific point by number.

#1: I don't think this is practical. I imagine the old "80/20" business rule is in full effect on MFC (80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers) but probably an even wider spread. I have a feeling that more than 80% of MFC's income comes from its top 20%, and as a result there is no way they would willingly alienate or marginalize them.

Plus, having seen some of what is on page 2 and 3, I am not sure I would have stayed on the site for more than a few minutes if I'd been sorting through that stuff.

#2: That's not my experience. It seems like a lot of rooms are popular most of the time. Sure, if news gets out about a popular model doing a particularly hot or creative show, her room might get into the thousands. But even when that happens, I have popped around and seen a lot of other busy rooms too.

#3: It always seemed odd to me that your camscore could suffer from working harder/more.

#4: By this do you mean how loyal members feel pressure to bear more of the tipping load, to help their favorite model reach goals or improve camscore?

#7: That sounds like a negative feedback loop. Any suggestions for how to prevent that?

#9: I have read that the studios really abuse this.

#10: I would really be interested to hear what other models and members think about that idea. Hiding tip amounts seems like it might take away the fun factor of the huge tips, and I wonder if tip amounts also follow and 80/20 type rule. What percentage of total revenue comes from 1000+ token tips compared to < 100 token tips, for example.

#13: I didn't understand this one.

#15: I think this would kill the site.

1) This is precisely why my thoughts on this have centered around building a better camscore.

7) This definitely is a sticky situation. People often go to the "lower quality" store searching for deals. If a model is perceived as lower quality because of a score or ranking, you'll still eventually have people who treat the situation like this I fear. No person deserves to be treated this way.

10) Here, I feel the MFC tipping model could simply be expanded/reworked. Having all tokens/tips hidden takes away the ability for regulars like myself to assist with counting on goals and tippers in knowing what's next on countdowns and such. Ultimately this limits some of the ways a model can go about getting tips. At the same time, there are times where it would be good to be able to hide a tip amount from the prying eyes of people who wouldn't understand and yet it not be completely hidden from chat. You can question the whys and hows of it all but all I'm essentially saying is that if there was a way to make a tip visible but the amount hidden from the public, I believe it would be used and the fact that it would be used means to me that its worth considering if it doesn't make things too complicated.

15) I believe this is ultimately why different sites work for different models. If you take away free chat or make it non-nude only, you do give the model a bit more power but take away freedom. If you have a site where the only rules are really "keep it legal" you end up with a lot of freedom but perhaps a "what lengths must I go to in order to compete?" situation. Ultimately I believe in giving more freedom. It will lead to a similar effect as MFC but without some models feeling obligated to obey the rules when many of the models listed next to her disregard said rules completely.

As with most web sites with any sort of filterable search, you wouldn't be forced to use all of those search options all the time if you didn't want to. It would be a completely optional search function that you'd have to choose to use or not. If you're the kind of person who would prefer to find people randomly, you could still do that.

Imagine if google gave worse results, but we were ok with it because the random, inaccurate search results were sometimes interesting. I would consider that a bad thing, personally.

I understand and yet disagree somewhat with your chosen analogy. A completely defunct filter that allows you to enter criteria but returns results that do not match is more like your Google situation. I'd say that personal experience illustrates two things for me.

1) If there had been a filter, I would have used it.
2) There is at least on model I adore who I would have never found if I was going purely on filtered results.

That said, I didn't find this model due to her Camscore anyhow so I partially defeat my own argument. All I guess I'm really trying to get down to is that if you're looking to recreate the success of MFC but do it better, I believe creating the meat market searchability you'll be going by results that make that difficult. Honestly I could write an entire post about this... maybe even a thread but I'll just lay out the major points for me.

1) I feel some version of Camscore as a rank ensures that no matter the body type, hair color, etc; your most entertaining models and/or the models who create the best connection(s) with people in her room will find their way to the top.
2) I feel the filters currently on MFC for location are too broad and could be better defined with just a little thought into lifestyles for areas. I personally have a hard time relating to models from Asia and East Europe but find I must filter out the West European girls who I could relate to better or not filter at all.
3) I believe there is a fine line between filters and filter categories being too broad and too specific. Take, for example, the Power Search option on www.newegg.com. I believe it is brilliant that you can check more than one to get a range and yet at the same time the amount of options while good for finding PC hardware may not be so great when looking for a model. Also I feel a general vagueness in areas such as body type could actually be a benefit rather than being able to fill in specific weight ranges. Does a woman have to fit into our ideal image for us to perv hard on her? I think not. Do we sometimes find we love the imperfections as much as the ideal? I'd say I've found myself in that situation a time or two.

Long story short, I like some variation on Camscore as a default in a purely business sense. If filters and searching will be implemented, however, I feel a great deal of consideration needs to be taken into the searchable categories, the level of specificity, and how it all fits in with what I think should be the ultimate goal. That goal is to help the customer find a model who works for them without turning it into fucking AutoTrader.com for women.

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