Ignoring or Faking Toy Connection

[Shyrien7]

Maybe I've just been oblivious to it before, but been noticing more and more models using connected toys to boost tips without actually using the toy and curious on some clarity after finding this post. Wondering if this is a trend others are noticing, if doing this is new or always been, if it's just an accepted thing within the community, people thoughts on it, the ethics, if it's even allowed by the sites, etc etc+.



First type of scenario I've seen related to this topic is like what's detailed in the screenshot, where the toy isn't connected yet being used as if it is (toy is off completely or on but levels/patterns are set by streamer). Haven't seen it occurring as much with the lush but it's 100% noticeable with domi, especially if the room has a good mic. Next scenario I think of as kind of a bait and switch where the lovense menu will show one type of toy is connected but something different is being used or pretending to be used. Last scenario is when it's just blatantly obvious no toy is being used at all. For all of these scenarios, commonalities are the lovense menu is up and running. showing queue, countdown time, etc while actively being promoted by either the model, automated chat messages, mods, or combination of them and are occurring over an extended period of time.

Personally I'm of the mindset that tips speak louder than words so have no plans to start calling models out on it or run off reporting people for it, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit more skeptical and hesitant to tip for anything toy related after noticing this. The deliberate deception of it all absolutely makes this a scam in my opinion and one that effects not only the ones doing it but all streamers by potentially causing increased skepticism of viewers and their hesitancy to tip . Also entirely possible that I'm making something out of absolutely nothing. However you view it, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on things.

 

[Vixxen81]

 

[cbhours]

I think people should be more understanding about the situation.

Lovense products are not quality products and that company would be dead if they didn't enforce their patents on tipping responses. There is a wide range of reasons why a lush product won't be working at any given time and its not the models fault. Some of these models in poor countries are reluctant to buy a real one because they know how often they have issues. They have warranties but its a hassle.

 

[Vixxen81]

I think people should be more understanding about the situation.

Lovense products are not quality products and that company would be dead if they didn't enforce their patents on tipping responses. There is a wide range of reasons why a lush product won't be working at any given time and its not the models fault. Some of these models in poor countries are reluctant to buy a real one because they know how often they have issues. They have warranties but its a hassle.

They are also expensive to replace.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

stop peeking behind curtains. You’ll ruin it for yourself. The thing you were enjoying was the reaction you saw and the fantasy you had. That’s what you should worry about

Seriously… I can’t watch porn anymore because I understand how it’s made now.

 

[CallMeMaria]

Stripchat rules for models prohibit this, and in my opinion it is somewhat unethical from the models side. Heres an excerpt of Stripchat rules for models under the section
To keep the site clean and fair, we also prohibit;




Now in saying this, you should also understand that the lovense connections are shoddy at the best of times. I lost count on how many times I killed the mood of the room by interupting tippers by saying "wait, wait, dont tip, ts not connecting properly, your vibes are not coming through, let me restart the extensions and troubleshoot the techincal issues."

After you have done that for 15 times in one shift and in the process lost all your tippers, it becomes very appealing just to give a little moan and hope no one notices the lovense is either doing completely its own thing or doing sweet fuck all.

Unethical, maybe. Understandable, definitely.

EDIT to add. I dont know what other sites say, on a quick look on CB COC I did not find anything mentioned in the rules. I stopped using lovense for this very reason, but will give it another go once my Ambi gets here. Fingers crossed for good connections!

 

[Maxi]

Stripchat rules for models prohibit this, and in my opinion it is somewhat unethical from the models side. Heres an excerpt of Stripchat rules for models under the section
To keep the site clean and fair, we also prohibit;

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Now in saying this, you should also understand that the lovense connections are shoddy at the best of times. I lost count on how many times I killed the mood of the room by interupting tippers by saying "wait, wait, dont tip, ts not connecting properly, your vibes are not coming through, let me restart the extensions and troubleshoot the techincal issues."

After you have done that for 15 times in one shift and in the process lost all your tippers, it becomes very appealing just to give a little moan and hope no one notices the lovense is either doing completely its own thing or doing sweet fuck all.

Unethical, maybe. Understandable, definitely.

EDIT to add. I dont know what other sites say, on a quick look on CB COC I did not find anything mentioned in the rules. I stopped using lovense for this very reason, but will give it another go once my Ambi gets here. Fingers crossed for good connections!

I know the connection’s always been shoddy… It seems to be happening more often lately, certainly with the model I visit. She has to reconnect about 5-10 times during a 2-hour shift - mostly at the start and then whenever an annoying 1tk tip blast happens.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I’m not saying that the deception part is cool. It’s another case of women feeling like they have to fake it to make some of you guys happy (and, in this case, keep you spending), and have y’all feeling like…..

Some guys are oblivious to the fact that sexual things that excite YOU may actually be a little uncomfortable for us. Y’all really expect a model to have a vibrating toy INSIDE her for hours at a time, and be thrilled about it??? Come on now. Many of y’all couldn’t care less about our likes, and what WE want to do in order to have that desired orgasm.

And some of y’all actually believe (and expect) a cam girl will genuinely cum for you right now just because you told her to (“I want you to cum all over the place” ), or just because you gave her a 1-token tip to her tip vibe. Lol. It’s called acting. If y’all knew what we’re really thinking sometimes (Maaan, if this obnoxious, demanding dude doesn’t shut the fuck up, and just cum already…), it would ruin the fantasy for you.

Now these damn tip vibes got y’all all annoyed because you discovered that…*gasp*…maybe this girl really ISN’T cumming bucketloads and really ISN’T convulsing from being horny for my cock?

I’ve had guys come in my room and ask “You got a Lush?,” and then immediately leave when I told them no. Lol. Like wow…what did you members do years ago when cam models didn’t have these tip vibes? Oh, that’s right. You actually chatted with us, tipped for flashes, and watched us use other toys that we enjoyed (regular vibrators or dildos), and you loved it.

 

[rockin_rod]

 

[EasternPromis]

As someone else mentioned - Lovense toys can just stop connecting for any reason. Literally today I decided to stream on mfc using new PC and new webcam, so I freshly set up OBS & Lovense widgets, it worked fine while testing but wouldn’t react to real tips in chat, it just wouldn’t. Of course members were disappointed when I honestly said today Lovense is not working and I do not know why and I’d need to log off and speak with support.
I eventually logged off and figured it out with help of Lovense support.

I can see why models would lie about it, members so obsessed with it for no reason as when being used inside vagina it’s useless for real orgasms, and sometimes it’s just really difficult to have this technology to work or replace if broken.

In screen shot you provided model is saying it’s painful for her to have it buzzing all the time, everyone’s body different, I don’t see why she should pick between hurting her body vs making her financial goal.
A lot what’s happening on cam is just a fantasy.

 

[Vixxen81]

Not to mention the insane delay between tips and toy reaction time.

Basically the software is the issue, not the person on cam.

 

[KingMarti]

It worked fine while testing but wouldn’t react to real tips in chat, it just wouldn’t

I have had this issue before, and nothing kills room momentum like having to do trouble shooting to sort out stuff like this while you are broadcasting because that's the only time the issue happens. I have also had it where going live disconnected the app from the extension and it wouldn't reconnect again until I went offline to re-connect it (scanning the qr code just did nothing). A few days ago I couldnt even get the extension to open.

 

[misterical]

From what I can tell from the model I visit all the time, Having lush/domi connect and stay connected is a fucking herculean task. It becomes even more outrageously difficult when there are multiple toys/sites in the equation. It looks like an absolute clusterfuck of configuration involving phone and bluetooth and toys.

Cut the models a bit of slack. Have an adult conversation with the model about it at the time. I'm sure it will all be explained and resolved quickly. Much better than coming here and generalising. Fuck me, I can barely get my phone to stay connected to my headphones using Bluetooth and there is no lube involved in that.

 

[AmberCutie]

A lot what’s happening on cam is just a fantasy.

This should be the biggest takeaway from threads like this.

When people look too deep into how things work, it's going to take away their enjoyment.

stop peeking behind curtains. You’ll ruin it for yourself.

just like she said!

 

[AmberCutie]

This should be the biggest takeaway from threads like this.

When people look too deep into how things work, it's going to take away their enjoyment.


just like she said!

then again, a lot of people (maybe like OP) have a fetish for scolding/calling out lying by pretty girls/people making money off things they cannot. Maybe that's what gets THEIR jizz flowing.

so, there's that.

 

[EasternPromis]

I have had this issue before, and nothing kills room momentum like having to do trouble shooting to sort out stuff like this while you are broadcasting because that's the only time the issue happens. I have also had it where going live disconnected the app from the extension and it wouldn't reconnect again until I went offline to re-connect it (scanning the qr code just did nothing). A few days ago I couldnt even get the extension to open.

Oh yeah, especially I had to do few test streams and watch myself on iPad because I was changing something to my audio (to play music in OBS for better music quality) and finally I’m all settled and start for real… and stupid Lush wouldn’t react Luckily I still made some tokens with private and tips for changing outfits… but the way 70% of members left the room once I announced Lovense is not working today… I miss the time when Magic wand aka hitachi was most popular thing, at it least that thing can make cum for real

 

[AmberCutie]

I miss the time when Magic wand aka hitachi was most popular thing, at it least that thing can make cum for real

ahh, the golden days

 

[Highlander884]

Most girls I know prefer Domi or to have lush on the outside.
Can't believe there r guys who get sulky that she has lush on clit and not inside.
Tbh for most ladies it's an impossible task to convince some people even when it's on. If they moaning loudly then they're faking it, if they quiet then it's not on no win.

I do know girls who have their toys on, (in one case particularly since it a roating dildo) and talk about problems or tell guys that they need breaks from it.
But quite frankly I'm indifferent to it, just tip to a yellow wall to help convince others to continue tipping the lady.

Only thing I'll say is I've noticed more girls charging more tokens for small vibration, it seems to put off guys tipping but then again those guys are cheapskates anyway when it comes to tips.

 

[EasternPromis]

Only thing I'll say is I've noticed more girls charging more tokens for small vibration, it seems to put off guys tipping but then again those guys are cheapskates anyway when it comes to tips.

I decided to do this because so many guys tip 1 token wall ENDLESSLY and say “cum for me bb” when they tipped 100-200 by 1 token at the time. It’s annoying, making lots of noise, model is expected to react somehow or say thank yous at least and it’s killing any chatting happening in the main chat, all this for so little profit.

I think the whole tokens system of payment makes it seem as if it’s some large amounts being spent and something is “expensive” while 20 tokens is $1 for model and 100 tokens is $5. (Assuming she’s not sharing 50/50 with studio)

 

[AudriTwo]

Thank you OP for reporting that women are faking orgasms.

 

[misterical]

Most girls I know prefer Domi or to have lush on the outside.
Can't believe there r guys who get sulky that she has lush on clit and not inside.

That's mainly what I've seen. The whole point of the tip vibe fantasy is that you are giving the model pleasure so I don't get guys who don't want the model to have the Lush where it would give the most pleasure. I mean, the question of whether it actually is giving pleasure is a different thing entirely but as well all know, we are here for the fantasy so taking it at face value is fine.

to help convince others to continue tipping the lady.

This is something I always try to do but to be honest it's utterly frustrating. Once you start tipping the vibe with reasonable frequency, they all just withdraw and watch.

 

[AussieCosplay]

Ok so...
Personally I'm a huge fan of teledildonics!
But also if I don't cum...you didn't tip enough...so I'm not gonna fake it.
That said different rooms are run differently, some are all about small amounts often and others are about large amounts infrequently...the very top rooms are large amounts often (but that's not common).
So if your viewers expect you to orgasm for the equivalent of $5...that's clearly a fantasy.
If they're tipping enough to pay your electricity bill...they're probably going to get something much more realistic.

Obviously the occasional toy isn't even real at all, these are pretty easy to spot (if you care).
A Domi that isn't on is also super easy to spot...they're loud AF and her bits should be a blur on the screen lol.

At the end of the day, the pink tail makes money (which we all do need to survive) so most models, use them.
Even I don't always want to wear mine but I genuinely make less than a quarter of my usual without it....even if I have a different lovense toy on.
This creates immense pressure to use them even when you don't want to or it's not working. (I buy backup ones of my main toys so there's always working ones...unless it's the web extension or app that's being screwy which is less of an issue these days)

Please keep in mind that you are paying for a show, and how the entertainer does their show is up to them.
It's more important that they enjoy putting on the show than what is technically happening in the show.
A magician isn't really pulling a rabbit out of thin air.
Some magicians use a real rabbit, and some use a stuffed rabbit...
It doesn't matter, what matters is that the show is enjoyable and the magician is comfortable doing it, right?

FWIW I will often send myself "test tips" because I enjoy it and am either bored or horny.
Lovense also now apparently have a feature that can make this look like a real tip in the chat room, though this might just be for their chat feature I'm not sure. It's supposed to help get the ball rolling...which makes sense, once one person starts vibrating it others often join in.
Oh and there's also a Vibe with me feature, so if you have a lovense toy you can get the same vibrations as the cammer....I had a viewer connect a Hush about 1 second before a 5,000tk tip (15min ultra high) (Not a common tip for me, it was my cammiversary)....anyways, RIP some dudes butt.


So yeah, tldr not all models fake orgasms but also who cares if they do or not, it has literally no effect on how good your Mrs Palmer feels.

 

[AussieCosplay]

I decided to do this because so many guys tip 1 token wall ENDLESSLY and say “cum for me bb” when they tipped 100-200 by 1 token at the time. It’s annoying, making lots of noise, model is expected to react somehow or say thank yous at least and it’s killing any chatting happening in the main chat, all this for so little profit.

I think the whole tokens system of payment makes it seem as if it’s some large amounts being spent and something is “expensive” while 20 tokens is $1 for model and 100 tokens is $5. (Assuming she’s not sharing 50/50 with studio)

Right after I bought my first Lush I changed the minimum to 2tk because idiots spam the chat and nobody can talk or get a break from the noise....and it adds up to less than a dollar.
Basically having it start at 2tk means that those ppl either tip half as many times or leave because they realise their 50cents isn't going to make them feel special or whatever.

I also make it so that tipping higher is incentivised by getting better value.

6tk gets much more than 5tk....and it adds up quickly.

The 1tk guys are a specific type of viewer and definitely derail the whole camshow...costing you income and losing you regulars because they can't even talk in chat properly.

 

[AussieCosplay]

That's mainly what I've seen. The whole point of the tip vibe fantasy is that you are giving the model pleasure so I don't get guys who don't want the model to have the Lush where it would give the most pleasure. I mean, the question of whether it actually is giving pleasure is a different thing entirely but as well all know, we are here for the fantasy so taking it at face value is fine.

This is something I always try to do but to be honest it's utterly frustrating. Once you start tipping the vibe with reasonable frequency, they all just withdraw and watch.

I can straight up tell you that it's not even different models...it can be same model different day.
Some days it takes 20min to orgasm, others only seconds.
Usually the first one's the hardest, but sometimes it's just all of them.
I got the gemini recently and bloody orgasmed from them, but that's obviously not gonna happen reliably....I was just extra nipply that day or something.

When I'm tipping other models my goal is to make them smile, I think that's a good metric.
That said in a tips only, no hourly wage gig....tipping is always going to make them feel better than they did without the tip so you have 100% certainty that you made them feel a good feeling.
I like those odds.

 

[Ozzie_]

We've had similar discussions here before, my view is pretty much the same.

I do not mind/care how a model applies their tip activated toys, inside, outside, whatever gives the most pleasure. However, if such a toy is "advertised" and is showing as being active, then I expect that it is genuinely "in play" as it were (barring technical glitches of course)

If a restaurant advertises wagyu, and I pay for wagyu, if they expect my returned patronage, I had better get wagyu, not some soy based protein. If the wagyu is off, then tell me, we can come to some sort of mutually agreeable alternate arrangement, I am not unreasonable.

Just don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining

 

[Danigirl]

Most of the lovense glitches for me are from the damn 1tk wall. I. Fucking. Hate. That. It's fine if it's a random one here or there but that nonsense doesn't feel good with the toys, glitches out the software and slows down my bitrate. I'm adhd. 1tk tip walls will make me yawn/furiously try to keep software running because it's not enough vibe to even attempt moaning.

All tips are definitely appreciated but fucking stop that lol.

And I have a ton of lovense toys and actually use them. But the dolce... I need a break from that one. Same with hush.

 

[vivo]

Having seen a few videos of self-immolating appliances containing high-energy lithium batteries has convinced me that it is generally not a good idea to store one within a human body.

 

[Miss_Lollipop]

Having seen a few videos of self-immolating appliances containing high-energy lithium batteries has convinced me that it is generally not a good idea to store one within a human body.

... *blinks*

 

[AussieCosplay]

We've had similar discussions here before, my view is pretty much the same.

I do not mind/care how a model applies their tip activated toys, inside, outside, whatever gives the most pleasure. However, if such a toy is "advertised" and is showing as being active, then I expect that it is genuinely "in play" as it were (barring technical glitches of course)

If a restaurant advertises wagyu, and I pay for wagyu, if they expect my returned patronage, I had better get wagyu, not some soy based protein. If the wagyu is off, then tell me, we can come to some sort of mutually agreeable alternate arrangement, I am not unreasonable.

Just don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining

....I have some very bad news for you about what you see on tv and movies.

Paying for a product and paying for entertainment are entirely different things.

You know how many guys request us to say stuff like "I want you to breed me" or "I love you" (Yes that one includes absolute strangers)....do you think those of us who are comfortable saying these requests genuinely feel that way about a viewer they can't see, don't know, and will never meet?

It's just entertainment, that's all it is.

Some of the people on stage do fake splits in their dance routines, some use autotune when singing, and some fake orgasms.

Not all but of course some do, and it really doesn't matter...if you really do care you can tell fairly easily anyway.

But really just focus on if you enjoy the show yourself and if the model seems to be enjoying herself. (unless it's kinky themed and then the rules are entirely different lol)

 

[EasternPromis]

We've had similar discussions here before, my view is pretty much the same.

I do not mind/care how a model applies their tip activated toys, inside, outside, whatever gives the most pleasure. However, if such a toy is "advertised" and is showing as being active, then I expect that it is genuinely "in play" as it were (barring technical glitches of course)

If a restaurant advertises wagyu, and I pay for wagyu, if they expect my returned patronage, I had better get wagyu, not some soy based protein. If the wagyu is off, then tell me, we can come to some sort of mutually agreeable alternate arrangement, I am not unreasonable.

Just don't piss on my boots and tell me it's raining

This would be the case if you were tipping and it activated the toy you using which is giving you pleasure on your D, then the fact of vibration matters.

Otherwise you get same thing - girl has something in/on pussy and is moaning/showing pleasure in other ways. It really doesn’t matter to you if it’s vibrating for real inside her or not - result is the same.


Shocking thing to say - if Lush is even on Ultra High inside me… I really don’t have to moan or do anything. I can disregard it. It’s like I sat on a phone with incoming call.

So would you rather have toy really vibrating but model being for real - and not acting as if it’s gives pleasure, not moaning and not performing any orgasms? How boring of a show that would be, bye bye cam score lol
Oh and just the fact that most women don’t moan and scream when masturbating for real by themselves… Stop me before I get too far debunking all what’s happening on cam