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SoTxBob said:
Pareto is for "real" bushiness and I believe it as well.. MFC tho.. I'd be very surprised if the numbers held... IMO maybe more like 90/10 if not further askew....

I'd say further, depending on the time of day and when in the pay period it is.

When all the top models come on at the end of the pay period to squeeze those last few tokens in, well, we all know how far up the homepage they are. They're the first ones not in group/private members see (depending on settings).

For instance, after the groups/privates and friends, I see Mary/Crazysysy is on... and her menu shows 2180 people in her room. Technically Shy would be ahead of her, but she's in my list... but even though Shy has almost a 4k camscore lead on Mary, Mary has almost 1700 more people in her room because she's naked in a hotel room... with another model also walking around the hotel room. So, I think we know where the tokens will be going today.

Yet I can look at a random model and see... a 1255.9 camscore model about 3/4 of the way down the front page... with 35 people in her room.

I'm not in Mary's room to see how many of the almost 2200 are guests, but we all know there's a shit ton of premiums in there, too. And I'm sure the cheap lounge is linking her non-stop (it always does when she's naked... like no one in there has ever heard of her before so they link her endlessly....), too.

And Mary's topic has gone down on her menu by almost 1.2k tokens in the time it took me to write this up

So, depending on who's on, I would definitely say the numbers get far more skewed over the 80/20 or even 90/10 rules. it can be 99/1 at times, most likely.

Edit: her 3300 token topic to walk on the balcony, nakie, was finished right as I posted this. So, yeah, like I said, we know where the tokens are going tonight.
 
I agree completely UT, very much so tonight... her vacation shows, this one from Turkey, are usually quite the bread winner. This month also it looks like shes trying for #1 again so her guys will be pushing all month. What you didn't see while writing your post was the goal you saw finished was about 4th for this log on. The other 3 were of similar size. Her previous log on, give or take 6 hours ago, was longer and just as fruitful. Mary has her own magic..... :D
 
UncleThursday said:
Evvie said:
If there was a website that guaranteed every single model would make $X per hour, models would flood that site until that could no longer possibly be the case.

Just a note, Evvie, PlayboyMegan said she used to work for a site that paid $20 an hour. But it was a flat rate. If you did 3 privates per hour, you still got $20 an hour. If you did 0 privates an hour, you still got $20 an hour. I don't know the name of the site, though.

But, you have to think about that. If you're not popular on that site, you're still making the paid wage. If you were a popular model, though, the site was making far more money on you than they paid out to you. So it works out for the girls who don't get a lot of privates, but basically the girls who bring in the money are paying for the girls who aren't. It probably feels like a more communist type job... no matter how good or bad you are at working there, everyone gets paid the same.

Now, if it was a mix... a flat rate plus extra per private, that might work better for everyone. But I think the flat rate would end up being lower than $20 an hour.

The only way that business model would work is if the site Admin were a completely ruthless in removing non-productive models from the site. Otherwise, they would get a constant stream of models joining up and then just sitting on their asses, doing nothing and making no effort. Anything over the minimum wage is considered a bonus, and as in the "real" world, very few workers aspire, or work, for them.
 
Yes, Bob, Mary has her own magic when it comes to MFC. It probably helps, though, that she's been insanely popular for over 2 years between her old studio account and her current non-studio account. I can only say at least 2 years, though, because that's when I joined up. She was the first model I saw as a guest... for the whole 5 mins it took for me to go premium. :lol:

But, her popularity isn't undeserved. She's got a very pretty face, an amazing body and generally is always smiling and bubbly. Though, I don't think she needed the bewb job. But at least she went to the same doctor Shy went to, so her new boobies look good, as opposed to the tons of girls who have gotten fake boobs and end up having them look like basketballs sewn into their chests. (Can we tell I'm not a fan of fake boobies?)

At the same time, though, she knows she's one of those models who can do what she did last night for the topic I saw get finished. Do the quick naked walk on the balcony, then within a few mins be dressed. And if she wanted to, she knows people would tip like mad to get her naked again. But I think she logged off right after that. I fell asleep, so I don't know if she came back or not.

But, it goes to the point we were making. When certain models are on, it's going to be harder for others to make tokens, at least from non-regulars. Girls like Mary, Shy, Aspen, there was a gril something_An with a 31k camscore on the other night... but these and other top models will suck up the random premiums quick when they're on. And while it doesn't mean they'll also suck up the random premiums tokens, they'll certainly have a far better chance to do so as opposed to a girl halfway down the front page, or further.

While some models have a good stable of regulars who help them reach goals, they know they can't always count on just their regs to make the goals. They should always want new people to come in and tip. But, that really depends on who's online at the time.
 
AmberCutie said:
Loslonelyboy said:
As I have always said since I started on MFC........MFC is "The Social Network for Pervs!" It will be there as long as the social aspect of it is in place, some sites have tried to duplicate it but haven't quite gotten it. I am not dissin' any other camsite, I have just yet to see one quite like MFC. I don't think MFC will be going anywhere for a very long time unless admin gets dumb and changes it completely. Models come and go, that is part of the business, there are still a ton of lower camscored models who make a living off of MFC and have been doing so for quite sometime! Besides... Where would I use all of my awesome emotes if not for MFC? :lol:
Totally agreed! Other camsites may pop up with some great features for either members or models, or both, but I really don't forsee any new site implementing ALL the awesome features that MFC has put into place over the years. The massive emote library, the lounges, the freedom within the community to friend people... it really is like you say "The Social Network for Pervs."

And on the note about the site crashing a lot... it's been a VERY long time since we've had a period of MFC crashi-ness. I've been very happy with the site's stability lately.

Just the stable of emotes is awesome. I constantly ty to use them in other things. Like Google Talk and such. Then I remember, they only work on MFC. :woops:

EDIT: as for other features... there are some good ones on MFC. The archives. Cams in PM windows. stuff like that. But MFC could steal a few ideas from other sites, too. Like Chaturbate's topic adjusting when tipped. But since some people tip not for topic, that might be harder to work...
 
UncleThursday said:
AmberCutie said:
Loslonelyboy said:
As I have always said since I started on MFC........MFC is "The Social Network for Pervs!" It will be there as long as the social aspect of it is in place, some sites have tried to duplicate it but haven't quite gotten it. I am not dissin' any other camsite, I have just yet to see one quite like MFC. I don't think MFC will be going anywhere for a very long time unless admin gets dumb and changes it completely. Models come and go, that is part of the business, there are still a ton of lower camscored models who make a living off of MFC and have been doing so for quite sometime! Besides... Where would I use all of my awesome emotes if not for MFC? :lol:
Totally agreed! Other camsites may pop up with some great features for either members or models, or both, but I really don't forsee any new site implementing ALL the awesome features that MFC has put into place over the years. The massive emote library, the lounges, the freedom within the community to friend people... it really is like you say "The Social Network for Pervs."

And on the note about the site crashing a lot... it's been a VERY long time since we've had a period of MFC crashi-ness. I've been very happy with the site's stability lately.

Just the stable of emotes is awesome. I constantly ty to use them in other things. Like Google Talk and such. Then I remember, they only work on MFC. :woops:

EDIT: as for other features... there are some good ones on MFC. The archives. Cams in PM windows. stuff like that. But MFC could steal a few ideas from other sites, too. Like Chaturbate's topic adjusting when tipped. But since some people tip not for topic, that might be harder to work...

I have noticed in a few rooms on MFC that some members have this program they use called MA......I think it stands for Model's Assistant or something...... It keeps track of the countdown instead of the model's having to do it, that seems to work pretty good other than on the "ninja tips" or hidden ones. Maybe MFC should implement something like this.
 
Loslonelyboy said:
I have noticed in a few rooms on MFC that some members have this program they use called MA......I think it stands for Model's Assistant or something...... It keeps track of the countdown instead of the model's having to do it, that seems to work pretty good other than on the "ninja tips" or hidden ones. Maybe MFC should implement something like this.

It is called MFC Assistant and is a script:

http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/126041

also discussed in an earlier thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6946
 
Loslonelyboy said:
I have noticed in a few rooms on MFC that some members have this program they use called MA......I think it stands for Model's Assistant or something...... It keeps track of the countdown instead of the model's having to do it, that seems to work pretty good other than on the "ninja tips" or hidden ones. Maybe MFC should implement something like this.
It's says MA because I wanted models to be able to know that a script was being run in their room. Someone with access to the model broadcaster (like Jawbs with Amber's cootie killer) could modify it to handle ninja tips. I stopped development on it mainly because I realized without that access I couldn't get it to do what I wanted, but it's still out there and surprisingly still running given the recent site changes.
 
LolasLiger said:
The only way that business model would work is if the site Admin were a completely ruthless in removing non-productive models from the site. Otherwise, they would get a constant stream of models joining up and then just sitting on their asses, doing nothing and making no effort. Anything over the minimum wage is considered a bonus, and as in the "real" world, very few workers aspire, or work, for them.

I agree. Without being very ruthless in getting rid of models who don't make any money for the site that pays an hourly wage, it would go under in no time. So, while it might seem crappy to be competing against each other in camming, it's a necessity to keep the camming sites open if they pay a set wage. Obviously, since most do it with the models being 1099, they don't really care if models don't bring in any money. They only pay the models when they do bring in money.
 
I do not think MyFreeCams is dying, but I do know it is on the decline of members. As of late, most of the guys that do come on the site are freeloaders. Hell, Redban (The Joe Rogan Experience) even admitted that the site needs to invest money into it's design and he only spends $20 per month.

MyFreeCams attracts just that - Guys wanting free shows and since most models do shows in open chat, which other cam sites do not allow, of course your freeloader base of guys will increase. These guys can watch free shows with penetration and orgasm without ever having to pay for.

The celebrities that I talked to, that admit going to pay cam sites and have a lot of money, say they like MFC because they can see free porn very quickly by scanning the rooms but most pay for the high quality on other websites. It;s like comparing a Volkswagon to a Mercedes - Both will get you to your destination (to cum) but the ride is much better and elegant with the other websites.

So, I don't think MFC will ever die but I don't see it holding up to other websites.

Redban said it best on the podcast and many other celebrities feel the same. MFC has a cheap design and crashes constantly. Freeloaders don't care.

Plus MFC is getting a bad reputation amongst the industry and it is not out of jealousy. If anything would tear down MFC, it would be by their own demise. Reputation means a lot in the adult industry - It can keep a website survived or crush it.

Anyways, that is my :twocents-02cents: - Use it wisely.

Thanks
 
Sasja1 said:
The celebrities that I talked to, that admit going to pay cam sites and have a lot of money, say they like MFC because they can see free porn very quickly by scanning the rooms but most pay for the high quality on other websites.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The quality of models? The quality of the cams models use? The quality of the design of the site? The quality of the members?

Because EVERY cam site that doesn't run its own studio and only use models within their studio will have varying degrees of quality when it comes to the models (subjective, what some people might like in a model, others may hate) or the equipment used.

Many models cam from home on many sites. Naked, MFC, Chaturbate, LiveJasmine, etc. Therefore the quality of equipment used is going to vary, greatly on every site. New to camming models might use their built in webcams on their laptops, notoriously low quality on most laptops (including Macs), until they get enough money to purchase a better cam. The only time you can be guaranteed a normally good quality of equipment is in studios... and even then only the ones who spend money to get that quality; there's plenty of studios that use older equipment and software to run it that makes many of the home HD webcams look a hundred times better.

The quality of models is very subjective. Some may like rail thin girls whose bones protrude out. Some may prefer average girls. Some might like the BBW girls. Some might like girls whose schtick is to be a complete bitch to everyone. Some might like girls who appear more sweet. There's no judging the quality of models in a non-subjective manner. I have my preferences. You have yours. The dude over there has his. Etc.

The quality of the design of the site can also be subjective. Some sites, like LiveJasmine sites tend to try to be too flashy and in your face in the background. To me, that's a turn off. MFC and Chaturbate have fairly simple designs to them (chaturbate even more simple than MFC), which I prefer. Think of it like MySpace and FaceBook. So many people made outlandish and overly in your face MySpace pages, which I grew sick of. FaceBook was a much cleaner interface in the beginning, which I liked. Now I use Google+ more than anything, again, because of its simple design. Same for cam sites... I use MFC the most, but I visit Chaturbate and Naked at times (naked isn't super over the top in its presentation), too. Some people prefer flashier designs, though. I just like the old adage K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid).

As for the celebrities admitting they go to pay sites and like MFC because they can get free shows esay... doesn't that make all their money moot; since they're just freeloading like so many other people on there? I don't care if Bill Gates comes to MFC with all his money... if he isn't contributing for what he wants to see, then he's freeloading. It doesn't matter how much money someone has, they can still be cheap.

And, trust me, even if other sites don't allow nudity, etc. in public (which most don't), it doesn't stop freeloaders from trying on those sites too.
 
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I believe she means the cam feed quality, with the cams & chat at MFC being laggy, MFC crashing, kicking people out. group/private limbos etc.

What I don't understand is this part:

Sasja1 said:
Plus MFC is getting a bad reputation amongst the industry and it is not out of jealousy. If anything would tear down MFC, it would be by their own demise. Reputation means a lot in the adult industry - It can keep a website survived or crush it.

For me, a bad reputation on this industry would be something attached with scams, per example, a promised payment check that never comes or something like what happened with the model's content at the Viola Girls site (http://onepunkarmy.wordpress.com/2012/0 ... -property/). The reputation that MFC has, if I'm not wrong, is that it can be hard to make money, some premiums will try to scam/stalk/get in your skin and your public feed/cum show will be recorded. Those things are probably happening in any webcam site with a decent traffic.
 
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UncleThursday, I will answer your questions. I am no stranger to interviews and defending my answers or comments.

Your comment was very basic and not substantial to the post I made. In reality, all you did was add to my statement on the point I was making with the questions that you made. Anyone can come up with more questions to every answer. Same theory as the kid that always asks "WHY?". You can ask why to every single post on this forum, but let me answer your questions.

The quality of the models: Yes, my knowledge and interaction with many people, rich or poor, have mostly said that the quality of the models is wide ranged on MFC. You can have classy models and the "junk" models. Quality of the models depends on the website and there are many models that have said they will never work on MFC. Does it make those models wrong or their quality of cam life wrong because of their beliefs? No. Most models break the rules of MFC every single day and every single shift and the fact that support does not do anything and lets the models get away with everything allows the lack of quality to resume. It's all about the money to MFC. For example, if a model says I will shove this object in my pussy for 300 tokens - against MFC rules for penetration - It's the 300 tokens that MFC sees, not that the rule was broken. Kind of like what a dog hears.... "Fluffy, blah blah blah treat blah blah". :lol:

The quality of cams used: Even MFC says webcams are good. Webcams built into laptops today are sometimes better than a separate Firewire or USB3 cam. Every website that we know of allows the models to use any camera as long as it is not static or "broke". High-Definition is preferred of course. This quality question had nothing to do with my statement.

The quality of the design of the site: You answered your own question there and Redban summed it up on the Podcast. He is one of many high-profile customers that feel the same. I won't comment on the quality of MFC again because we all know it is not the best designed website, slow, crashes constantly (Hell, there are banners for members to put in rooms about the crashing. lol).

The quality of the members: MyFREECams says it all. Most people Google "Free girl cams" or something with FREE in the search parameters and what do you think comes up in the results. FREE THINGS. The quality of customers that do not want to spend money is the purpose that MFC projects itself as FREE (Even in their title). I had a girl talk to me from a different cam site that said she would never work on MFC because of the customer base. I went to her room to see the difference in customers and was surprised that her room was "intelligent" but fun. She made $35,000 that ONE night (9 hours). The customers spent money. I talked to the Vice-President of that website company and asked what sets his website apart from others. He simply said "The customers". I asked him what he felt of MFC. His answer was "We don't worry about MFC. They are not competition for us because of the league of models and customers." I compare it to Maserati to Chevrolet. Your customer base is greatly different and the quality of the car (model) is completely different also.

That was all I was saying.

I am and always have been open to interviews. So, if you want to ask the proverbial "WHY?" question, I am here and on Skype.

UncleThursday, I am not a stupid young girl who allows people to run over me. Don't get your presumptions about me confused with others and thereby cloud your judgement about me. I am a very strong young girl with education and many contacts in the industry and out.

To end, I like MFC and I like models. This forum topic just asked a question and I answered honeslty. I did not hide, nor sugar-coat anything. "Is MFC Dying?" - If you don't like the answers given on this topic or have MORE questions, then understand the TITLE of the topic and the answers you will get. Once you understand this, then your proverbial "WHY?" will cease.

:handgestures-salute:
 
Like I said, though, quality in almost everything but the equipment being used is very subjective.

If someone goes to a site, and likes black girls; and sees the site has very few black girls on it, then he will think the quality of the site is low, as well as the quality of the models. Same for someone who likes Asian girls, or big girls, or fetish girls, etc. If the site doesn't cater to what the person wants to spend money on, then that person will think the quality of the site and its models is low. That's very subjective.

The same with the design of the sites. I like the K.I.S.S. designs, both in my social networks and in my cam sites. I don't need flashy banners or backgrounds. Not everyone agrees with what I like, though. So, again, very subjective.

The quality of members, well, I'm sure we can all agree that MFC does sort of cater to the lowest common denominator, there. But this doesn't mean there aren't good members on the site. They just tend to get drowned out by the loads of freeloadiing "show tits/ass/pussy/feet" people that happen to inhabit the site. And one doesn't need to be a whale/sugar daddy type member to be a good member, remember.

I'm hardly a whale or sugar daddy member, but the models I know like me, even when I can't tip/group/private. I make fun conversation, stupid jokes, don't beg or demand, etc. And when I tip I often put fun tip notes to make the model smile/laugh. As for when I private, I don't do less than 15 minutes. But, does that work on every site? Probably not. I'm sure on some of the sites you are thinking of, I would be considered a "bad" member, simply because I don't have hundreds a day to spend.

One thing that ends up being not subjective is the quality of the equipment used. If a model on any site is using a shitty camera, has bad lighting or sound, etc. then she isn't going to do well on any site. I don't care if she's the personification of the Goddess Venus/Aphrodite, if her equipment just sucks, no one will go to her.

Also, ironically, MFC has been fairly stable for a while, now. Sure, there's still some problems, but the constant full blown hamster in the wheel running the servers dying hasn't really happened a lot, lately. Most server resets have been preempted by the warning that it would be happening, and have been fairly short in duration of downtime. About the biggest problems, lately, is models getting kicked out of the broadcaster in the middle of privates/groups, or the model's cam not showing up in them or in public chat.

But, every site has these sorts of issues. Because nothing is perfect. Last year's constant MFC crashes? Yeah, they were bad. There were days it seemed like the site was resetting more than it was up. But it's worked itself out. It seems on par with pretty much every other website out there, right now.

What ends up setting MFC (and I suppose Chaturbate) apart is the ability of the sites to create a social atmosphere. Where members and models can be friendly to each other, laugh, joke, and have fun. Most other cam sites don't really cater to that sort of interaction. If you aren't in private with the model, she's pretty much just waiting to be taken private by someone, and the interaction between the model and members is minimal beyond the freeloaders on those sites attempting to get her to do things she isn't allowed to do on those sites (like get naked in public).

Ask any MFC/Chaturbate model on here if they have members that they enjoy seeing in their rooms, even if said members aren't spending any money. I'm sure the majority will say yes. Because the social aspect is allowed on MFC and Chaturbate. Sure, in some cases those same members are some of their biggest tippers; but even the not so big tippers can be regulars and the models can enjoy them in their rooms. Other sites that don't really cater to a social aspect may not get the same reaction. Mostly because members and models tend to be one and done on those sites,

So, in short, there's a lot of subjectiveness to quality. The quality of models, site design, and even members is fairly subjective. The quality of equipment and site stability, however, is not.

Oh, and honestly, I don't think this Redban is as high profile as he would like to think, or you think. I never even heard of him before your post. And after listening to about half of one The Joe Rogan Experience show, I kind of see why. Podcasters get big in certain niches, but very rarely break out into being truly high profile. Take it from someone who used to be kind of big in a niche of podcasting. You get known in a niche, but hardly anyone else knows who you are, or even cares that you exist. I was semi-big in one niche, for a while. But, on the whole, the rest of the world didn't know who I was, or gave two shits about me. And I was fine with that.
 
Never heard of 'redban' either lol - if he, or you, consider this guy a celebrity and he admits freeloading on MFC I think that says more about HIM than the site.

Sasja1 said:
I had a girl talk to me from a different cam site that said she would never work on MFC because of the customer base. I went to her room to see the difference in customers and was surprised that her room was "intelligent" but fun. She made $35,000 that ONE night (9 hours).
[...]
I compare it to Maserati to Chevrolet. Your customer base is greatly different and the quality of the car (model) is completely different also.
Wow, what site was that please?

So MFC models are chevrolets?
 
Just an observation,

I've been on MFC since 2008

The customer base changed a lot since the USA $ went down the tubes. Which can be expected since there was over %50 of the site traffic coming from the U.S.

The U.S $ being so low makes it far cheaper for people in Countries like Australia to purchase tokens. However... The timezone difference puts the Australian "primetime" evening in the early hours of the morning USA time. Which is pretty much when MFC is dead traffic and model quality wise.

Many of the MFC members in Australia were fans of the Philippines models and spent their tokens on them. The Philippines is in a similar timezone to Australia so there were some 300-350 Philippines models on at this time of night. Since most of these models were cut at the end of last year and MFC stopped allowing them to signup, there are now often no more than about 30 of them online in the "Australian" primetime.

The fans of these models stopped paying despite tokens being cheaper due to good exchange rates. To those members the site has lost its fun factor.

There was previously an "asian lounge" it peaked at around 220 users, now what is left is a member room named asian lounge which usually peaks at around 35 users.

I'm not saying there should ever be 300-400 Philippines models on the site again. But MFC is suppose to be a global adult internet community. It should be rocking 24x7 and they should work a little more on increasing the customer traffic from specific regions to flatten out and balance the "peak" / "offpeak" MFC times.
 
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Never heard of Redban or Joe Rogan? LOL. Okay... Nuff said. lol.
I'll let that one alone because you should Google them.

I am involved in many circles of society, also being a former cam model myself. I've had celebrities in my room, as well as the snail from under the rock. I've heard and seen just about everything.

You asked about MFC dying. I gave my two cents and you went off on quality of other sites and people you don't know. Genuine. lol.

Carry on. I salute you and your quest to talk other sites down to improve MFC's image.
:handgestures-salute:
 
Jupiter551 said:
Never heard of 'redban' either lol - if he, or you, consider this guy a celebrity and he admits freeloading on MFC I think that says more about HIM than the site.

Sasja1 said:
I had a girl talk to me from a different cam site that said she would never work on MFC because of the customer base. I went to her room to see the difference in customers and was surprised that her room was "intelligent" but fun. She made $35,000 that ONE night (9 hours).
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I compare it to Maserati to Chevrolet. Your customer base is greatly different and the quality of the car (model) is completely different also.
Wow, what site was that please?

So MFC models are chevrolets?

It was a metaphor... Google "Metaphor" or "Similarity" :)
 
Sasja1 said:
Never heard of Redban or Joe Rogan? LOL. Okay... Nuff said. lol.
I'll let that one alone because you should Google them.

I must admit, I've never head of Redban. Is that a bad thing? Do I need to know ALL MFC members whose name comes attached with a modicum of notoriety? Or just him. I don't want to look silly, you see?

:?
 
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I must admit, I've never head of Redban. Is that a bad thing? Do I need to know ALL MFC members whose name comes attached with a modicum of notoriety? Or just him. I don't want to look silly, you see?
People tend to forget the internet is a very big place. I linked a "Call Me Maybe" parody to some euro friends recently and they had never heard the song. We all live in our own little monkeyspheres. FWIW, I've never heard of "Redban" either.
 
Sasja1 said:
Never heard of Redban or Joe Rogan? LOL. Okay... Nuff said. lol.
I'll let that one alone because you should Google them.

I am involved in many circles of society, also being a former cam model myself. I've had celebrities in my room, as well as the snail from under the rock. I've heard and seen just about everything.

You asked about MFC dying. I gave my two cents and you went off on quality of other sites and people you don't know. Genuine. lol.

Carry on. I salute you and your quest to talk other sites down to improve MFC's image.
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Apparently you are used to interviews but not discussions? You seem awfully defensive and honestly a bit rude just because someone opened a discussion and asked for clarification.
Welcome to the world, where not everyone will agree with you and some people will ask "why?" or "what?"
Sorry the basis of human nature and the primary reason we are the dominant species seems so offensive to you.

Honestly, I don't deny that a lot of things you listed are true, except the caliber of models on MFC. Doing public shows does not lessen the caliber of the model if she is being paid for it.
Also, though public shows are common a very large portion of models are still not doing them, myself and Amber included. Hell our #1 miss MFC is a non nude model right now!
I appreciate that you used to be a camgirl, though I have no idea who you are or where you worked but as this topic suggests times have changed, A LOT, and even just in the past few months. Unless you quit last month you're experience is null anymore, no matter the site.

Oh and if the site is still good enough to watch with all the free porn out there and your celebrity friends still don't tip they are assholes.
They can't use quality as an excuse. Everyone knows how to get a free wank from porntube. They insist on getting that from live girls working their butts off to make a living. That's the same as going to a stripclub and sitting at the stage not tipping. No rule says they have to tip but it's well known they are assholes if they don't. Shame on them.

Not many other sites allow a girl to have so much fun that she erupts into giggle snorts while seeing how many markers she can fit in her mouth AND be getting paid. For me, the negatives of MFC are outweighed by my freedom to have fun and make money WITHOUT a dildo in my snatch for 8 hours.

I just rambled because I just woke up. That last part wasn't directed at interview girl, just a random statement on why I stick it out with MFC.
 
Sasja1 said:
It was a metaphor... Google "Metaphor" or "Similarity" :)
I know what a metaphor is, thanks, I was hoping you'd expand on what you meant with that metaphor :handgestures-salute:
 
Sasja1 said:
Never heard of Redban or Joe Rogan? LOL. Okay... Nuff said. lol.
I'll let that one alone because you should Google them.
I know Joe Rogan as "that douchebag on Fear Factor". BTW, knowing who he is and giving a fuck about what he thinks aren't the same thing.

You seem to be the only one here who HAS heard of Redban.
 
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Jupiter551 said:
Sasja1 said:
Never heard of Redban or Joe Rogan? LOL. Okay... Nuff said. lol.
I'll let that one alone because you should Google them.
I know Joe Rogan as "that douchebag on Fear Factor". BTW, knowing who he is and giving a fuck about what he thinks aren't the same thing.

You seem to be the only one here who HAS heard of Redban.

I only know of him because he came into my room. Does that make me the celebrity? :lol:
 
Who the fuck is Red and why is he banned?

Serious Sasja, you need to be a little less condescending, its clear from your tone you have problem with MFC
 
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Well,
I thought Joe was kinda fun back in Fear Factor days and honestly I wonder how he didn't puke in many of the challenges of consumption the folks went thru. I mean really.... eating all kinds of guts n gore and drinking donkey pis and cum? I about gag even from the TV let alone being able to smell the shit.
However, I give him and his opinion no more credence than John Q Public... he's no more than a paid announcer and I doubt his background gives him any particular relevance to be considered some sort of authority on this business. I also don't listen to any podcasts. Perhaps that makes ma a lesser worldly person... :think: ...but the saying 'dont give a fuck' fits in this concern with possible intersecting of microcosms. {No offense meant to ya Joe BB but 'celeb' status has no relevance. :thumbleft: }

I have 'driven' many models ..... Chevy to Mercedes, Ferrari's, BMW, Lambo or 2 and lesser brands as well. I'd really like to see how a Maserati handles. If it's not to much trouble..... Sasja1 please tell me the name of this other website you mention. PM it if you have no desire to make it public.
I'd still like to like to drive a TukTuk.... dirt cheap can be really fun. :mrgreen:

That is all.. carry on :eek:bscene-drinkingcheers:

 
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I do not know if I believe in the mystery site whose name you do not want to share Sasja1, but honestly I could probably find an attractive model on MFC willing to do any immorally deviant thing I could ever think of for a price I can afford. Just because a site has a bunch of rich people running around on it does not make it great, but it may make it overpriced.
 
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Most have said it, and I couldn't agree more....MFC is changing, not dying.
And I would have been content with the thanks I've scattered in this thread, were it not for the whole Rogan/Redban thing...I went ahead and listened to the podcast in question, mostly because I felt humbled not knowing who these guys were, but also because the tone and syntax of that first post about them gave their "celebrity" status an undeniable (to me) aura that suggested the credibility of an expert.

So I listened: and I found the podcast and the personalities pretty entertaining....but they are just guys with opinions....so I decided to offer up a few of my own.

Most have rightly pointed out the increase in freeloaders (especially the ones who seem somehow entitled) on the site...from guests to basics to the $20 premies...and some can look back in time to a point 10 months or so ago as the beginning of this trend.. Wasn't that about the time that MFC launched it's ad campaign ("Never Pay for a Show Again"...or words to that effect)? At first glance, that seems like the stupidest marketing campaign ever....but is it? As was pointed out, most models keep basics and guests muted permanently, or have a very short fuse for their behavior....so there are a slew of new $20 premies, who don't bother with profiles or font color, and that's $10 a head for MFC, and some will find themselves enjoying the social aspects of the site, and spend more, or just get seduced by all the beauty there :whistle:

My point is that MFC has played an active role in this change, in part I think because there has been a movement in what I see as the competitive marketing (friendly or otherwise) among the models themselves.....and that marketing savvy (which my ancedotal evidence suggests is due to the influx of american models over the years) led inevitably to a)shows and b)capitalization of the pretty amazing social aspects of the site. My personal opinion is that developing the social aspects as a marketing tool tends to capture a lot of the generally good natured and english speaking members at MFC, who likely enjoy a good private as much as anyone, but like to hang out on the site just because it's fun for them.

By way of introduction to this next part, I was surprised to learn that a cs of 1800 is in the 94th percentile of ALL camscores...and that even a cs of 1100 is in the 89th percentile. And in that range, you begin to run into the bulk of the european studio models, become aware that the social interaction tools onsite are limited by language difference, and (for me at least) do continue to find that certain narcissism that uncle speaks of, but also find a sort of dismal surprise that never thought for a minute about the emerging MFC reality of working in what feels to many studio models as the slippery slope of the free show...in part because they ARE studio models, and for every good boss, there is at least one who pushes his/her stable onto the slope.

Having said that, the other truth is that MFC remains the favorite for most of these girls, precisely because of it's social environment. They usually feel like women in their rooms, talking to some guys, rather than a body surrounded by dicks (in all sense of the word)

It's not anyone's job to protect these models from their choices, and the changes to MFC certainly hasn't slowed the influx of new models, but -in my experience- the evolving dynamic of MFC has forced a good number of experienced models to "start over", and assess again the trade offs of working in camland.

Which is not to say the same thing isn't happening at all levels of success at MFC...but we too often "analyze" that site by looking at the top of the food chain.....which is understandable, because that's where the trends are most obvious. But while those trends do tend to trickle down, the parallel idea that their economic benefits will also trickle down is a much more questionable proposition....and that has little to do with all the freeloaders.

Sorry for the rant, everyone....but this random bunch of thoughts has been swirling around in my head for awhile. :lol:
 
SoTxBob said:

I have 'driven' many models ..... Chevy to Mercedes, Ferrari's, BMW, Lambo or 2 and lesser brands as well. I'd really like to see how a Maserati handles. If it's not to much trouble..... Sasja1 please tell me the name of this other website you mention. PM it if you have no desire to make it public.
I'd still like to like to drive a TukTuk.... dirt cheap can be really fun. :mrgreen:

That is all.. carry on :eek:bscene-drinkingcheers:

I'm not sure we're the type of clientele such an establishment caters for Bob
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