New MFC DMCA Information?

[Sugarysweet]

I recently sent MFC a link to be removed and they mailed me this information:

We've had to make some changes to the way we accept DMCA links.

Please sign on to your model admin page here:

http://www.myfreecams.com/model_admin/

Scroll down until you see the !DMCA link. Click that link and read the information there.

We can only accept DMCAs via that link. We can ONLY accept DMCAs for your MyFreeCams content. We cannot DMCA content from other sites or files that you have distributed outside of MyFreeCams, like videos you sell from your profile.

You can submit your own DMCAs for files like videos that you sell from your profile. There is help with that process on the DMCA page.

Each link must be a direct link to your file, a link to where your photos or video files actually are and can be directly viewed or downloaded from.

Enter your links in the box on the DMCA page, read the information and if you would like to submit your links for DMCA click the "I Agree" button.

So I guess my question is.. How can I get content removed (through a DMCA) without sharing my personal information? I have sold videos THROUGH MFC (custom, premade, etc) but it seems they won't be sending DMCA's for content unless it is like a private show.

If anyone has any input that would be awesome! Thanks.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Couldn't a model just claim the video was made while on cam on MFC? :? I mean I know they have archived and stuff, but it's unlikely they're going to sift through possibly years worth of camshows to find out if it was while you were on cam or not.

 

[Sugarysweet]

Couldn't a model just claim the video was made while on cam on MFC? :? I mean I know they have archived and stuff, but it's unlikely they're going to sift through possibly years worth of camshows to find out if it was while you were on cam or not.

I know MFC private shows have a little icon at the bottom of them usually if I remember right. But I dunno. I guess those could also be cut out in some videos too. I also wonder about that.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Couldn't a model just claim the video was made while on cam on MFC? :? I mean I know they have archived and stuff, but it's unlikely they're going to sift through possibly years worth of camshows to find out if it was while you were on cam or not.

The problem is that if you file a fraudulent take down notice.

First, the DMCA provides for damages and attorney’s fees for “any person who knowingly materially misrepresents” the facts in a takedown notice. So someone who abuses the DMCA mechanism by lying to take down your page when they have absolutely no case is going to face some heavy sanctions.

You own the copyright to your videos, MFC owns the copyright to the stream of your performance. Neither party can issue take down notice for files they have no copyright claims. However, what you (or more realistic a group of camgirl such as this forum.) could do is authorize MFC to act as your agent to file take down notice. Pointing out to MFC that since they benefit from the sales of videos on their site, they have every much off a financial incentive to get this taken down as the models.

It is also often pretty easy to tell by the file name ModelNameB/G and certainly by the pictures, if it was filmed on MFC or not.

 

[NataliaGrey]

Couldn't a model just claim the video was made while on cam on MFC? :? I mean I know they have archived and stuff, but it's unlikely they're going to sift through possibly years worth of camshows to find out if it was while you were on cam or not.

The problem is that if you file a fraudulent take down notice.

First, the DMCA provides for damages and attorney’s fees for “any person who knowingly materially misrepresents” the facts in a takedown notice. So someone who abuses the DMCA mechanism by lying to take down your page when they have absolutely no case is going to face some heavy sanctions.

You own the copyright to your videos, MFC owns the copyright to the stream of your performance. Neither party can issue take down notice for files they have no copyright claims. However, what you (or more realistic a group of camgirl such as this forum.) could do is authorize MFC to act as your agent to file take down notice. Pointing out to MFC that since they benefit from the sales of videos on their site, they have every much off a financial incentive to get this taken down as the models.

It is also often pretty easy to tell by the file name ModelNameB/G and certainly by the pictures, if it was filmed on MFC or not.

Actually, MFC owns the rights to our image. This is in our contract:

"I allow MFC to use my Performances, stage name, likeness, persona, voice, pictures, chat, video, audio, and anything else associated with my interaction with MFC (collectively my “Appearance”) in any way, throughout the universe, in perpetuity, and without limitation. I grant and assign to MFC all rights, title, interest and copyrights associated with my Appearance. I agree that MFC may edit my Appearance in any way and I agree that MFC has no obligation to use my Appearance. I agree that the rights hereby granted to MFC also extend to MFC's subsidiaries, successors, licensees, and assignees."

My videos that I sell on my profile are certainly associated with my interaction with MFC. Not to mention on the page where we send links to get DMCA'd, it says this:

"You are the owner of the Material, having granted MFC a non-exclusive license to use it, and therefore only you have the right to submit a DMCA notice. You can Google How to send a DMCA Takedown Notice for more info.

However, if you would like MFC to submit a DMCA notice for your Material, you will need grant MFC an exclusive license to the Material, so that MFC has a legal right to send the DMCA notice, and to do so without revealing your name or personal information to any third-parties. Please use the form below to do this:"

So they are offering to do exactly what you said but will not do it for videos, only recordings. They also included dangerous advice like sending out our own DMCAs, and gave a fucking LMGTFY link on how to do it. If they really think that's the best thing to do, the least they could do is make a wiki page on it and actually acting like there's some effort being put into it. It just seems so... lazy to me. I love MFC, I understand how much traffic they provide, how much the infrastructure must cost them, but part of why I happily give them half of my income is to take care of things like this and it's so disappointing to have it taken away.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

My interpretation of appearance, is not so broad that would cover all appearance by NataliaGrey on for instance your own website, but just those owned by MFC and affiliates. Of course MFC is free to do anything they want with those images including putting them on TV ads and Holodeck simulations, long after you've quit camming.

Just a note the word exclusive has different meaning in legal contract than in common usage."'Exclusive' does not mean 'one and only' license granted, but only that the licensor agrees not to grant other licenses that have the same rights"

Anyway we aren't disagreeing at all. Although, i think the love expressed for MFC is misplaced, since in general (other than having fair payout) MFC does pretty much the bare ass minimum they can get away with .. This is classic example. It doesn't really matter who has the copyrights to your video. It's inefficient and downright dangerous, for camgirls do play amateur lawyer and start issuing DCMA takedown The right thing for MFC to do as company with deep pockets and lawyers on staff is do it for the camgirls.

I am suggesting that this would be a good thing for camgirls to act collectively to get MFC to reverse course.

Although this would violate MFC so called rules. I personally would be more than happy to buy videos, directly from a camgirl personal site or even manyvids or clips4sale, if the purchase was counted toward the countdown. (I.e a $15 counts 200 tokens of the countdown.) I'd think if enough top girls did this MFC, that they'd find it cheaper to issue DMCA rather than policing the girls doing so..

 

[JerryBoBerry]

The problem is that if you file a fraudulent take down notice.

First, the DMCA provides for damages and attorney’s fees for “any person who knowingly materially misrepresents” the facts in a takedown notice. So someone who abuses the DMCA mechanism by lying to take down your page when they have absolutely no case is going to face some heavy sanctions.

You own the copyright to your videos, MFC owns the copyright to the stream of your performance. Neither party can issue take down notice for files they have no copyright claims.

There's the absolute letter of the law.

The reality is different if you just fill out fake information. When you fill one out the website will most likely just take the video down because they already know the video was posted illegally. They have it done on many of their videos and are complying with DMCA notices every single day. They have to notify the person who uploaded it so he can contest with the notice if he feels it's in error. But that isn't going to happen because he also knows he uploaded it illegally. He isn't going to contest because that would get him in trouble.

So lie. Fill out fake information. Nothing is going to happen. Forget the letter of the law, it doesn't apply in this situation in the least. You have no downside to putting a fake name and address on your DMCA requests.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

There's the absolute letter of the law.

The reality is different if you just fill out fake information. When you fill one out the website will most likely just take the video down because they already know the video was posted illegally. They have it done on almost every one of their videos and are complying with DMCA notices every single day. They have to notify the person who uploaded it so he can contest with the notice if he feels it's in error. But that isn't going to happen because he also knows he uploaded it illegally. He isn't going to contest because that would get him in trouble.

So lie. Fill out fake information. Nothing is going to happen. Forget the letter of the law, it doesn't apply in this situation in the least. You have no downside to putting a fake name and address on your DMCA requests.

Like all instance of breaking laws, from speeding, and smoking pot to cheating on taxes, that works just fine until it doesn't. Considering one of the prominent cappers in thread on capping shows, talked about taking legal action against folks who generated fake DCMA requests, I won't be so quick to jump the conclusion that nothing bad would happen.

I pointed it out, to explain why MFC was in a legal tight spot. Natalia informed me that MFC already has a process in place to insure they have the legal right to take down models material be it capped shows or videos. They stopped doing it for videos which sucks. The right solution to Sugarsweet request is to get MFC to do the right thing and help out, everything else ranges from legally risky, fairly expensive $10+/month for assistance, to outright foolish providing real contact info.

 

[weirdbr]

Like all instance of breaking laws, from speeding, and smoking pot to cheating on taxes, that works just fine until it doesn't. Considering one of the prominent cappers in thread on capping shows, talked about taking legal action against folks who generated fake DCMA requests, I won't be so quick to jump the conclusion that nothing bad would happen.

I doubt that capper would be able to do anything, really... The moment he has to explain to a lawyer that he is contesting a DMCA request on content that is being uploaded illegally to begin with, he will be laughed out of the lawyer's office... Or if the lawyer is looking for someone to pay his bills with an easy case, he will have his bank account drained by the said lawyer as he 'fights' those DMCA requests and loses most (if not all) of them.

While the DMCA has this provision to prevent abuse, the reality is that no company I know of ever bothers with this provision - just look up stories for how badly youtube handles those for example (and the lack of punishment for companies/individuals that submit them).

 

[LacieLaPlante]

For the most part if your video is on a MAJOR porn site, you really don't even need a DMCA. Just mail the site, say it was you (I didnt even need proof with youporn and pornhub) and they will usually take it down.

 

[AmberCutie]

For the most part if your video is on a MAJOR porn site, you really don't even need a DMCA. Just mail the site, say it was you (I didnt even need proof with youporn and pornhub) and they will usually take it down.

The one time I ever asked for anything to be removed, this is what I did. If that didn't work, I wouldn't have put any more effort/real info into it, but it was worth a shot and went fine.

 

[Teagan]

In the meantime since MFC refuses to help take down the videos the girls sell I would simply upload them to a site that will. Stupid stupid but less work for them to do and girls wont stop selling the videos so they win win for that one. Giving out your own info is dangerous. Giving out fake info leaves you open to things already mentioned as well as some people just ignoring them knowing they are just fake sometimes. So basically open a clips4sale store and put your videos there. Price match them to what you're charging on MFC or jack up the prices so they dont sell if you dont want them too there. But when you have a C4S store there's a big button that is there just for DMCA requests you can't miss. Safe for you and still easy to do. It takes lil time to open a store and upload them so it's a means to an end for now.

 

[JubalCobb]

In the meantime since MFC refuses to help take down the videos the girls sell I would simply upload them to a site that will.

After you do convert all your video sales to off mfc transactions, one question for ya

 

[Teagan]

In the meantime since MFC refuses to help take down the videos the girls sell I would simply upload them to a site that will.

After you do convert all your video sales to off mfc transactions, one question for ya

I didnt say to not sell the videos on MFC anymore did I? Uploading them to c4s or a site that will send out DMCAs for us is just a way to still be able to have DMCAs sent out safely for the girls.

 

[BarbieLuv]

In the meantime since MFC refuses to help take down the videos the girls sell I would simply upload them to a site that will.

After you do convert all your video sales to off mfc transactions, one question for ya

No, it's not converting all video sales to another site - You sell the videos on both MFC and the video site (which is completely above-board, as the camgirl owns the rights to her content on both sites and can sell it in as many places she wants.) But then whenever someone uploads one to a tube site without your permission, you ask the video site to send a DMCA for it (which they are usually happy to do, especially C4S). That way, both your live feed and videos have DMCA protection, albeit from different sites.

:thumbleft:

Edit: Teagan, you beat me to it. :lol:

 

[Teagan]

In the meantime since MFC refuses to help take down the videos the girls sell I would simply upload them to a site that will.

After you do convert all your video sales to off mfc transactions, one question for ya

No, it's not converting all video sales to another site - You sell the videos on both MFC and the video site (which is completely above-board, as the camgirl owns the rights to her content on both sites and can sell it in as many places she wants.) But then whenever someone uploads one to a tube site without your permission, you ask the video site to send a DMCA for it (which they are usually happy to do, especially C4S). That way, both your live feed and videos have DMCA protection, albeit from different sites.

:thumbleft:

Edit: Teagan, you beat me to it. :lol:

You explained it better.

 

[AerynShade]

*Snipped*

I am suggesting that this would be a good thing for camgirls to act collectively to get MFC to reverse course.

Although this would violate MFC so called rules. I personally would be more than happy to buy videos, directly from a camgirl personal site or even manyvids or clips4sale, if the purchase was counted toward the countdown. (I.e a $15 counts 200 tokens of the countdown.) I'd think if enough top girls did this MFC, that they'd find it cheaper to issue DMCA rather than policing the girls doing so..

I think Swarles might have been referring to this post. I will NOT be selling any of my videos for MFC tokens because of this new policy. I just direct everyone to my lovely little C4S store. Fuck camscore. I'm online for money, not a popularity contest.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

*Snipped*

I am suggesting that this would be a good thing for camgirls to act collectively to get MFC to reverse course.

Although this would violate MFC so called rules. I personally would be more than happy to buy videos, directly from a camgirl personal site or even manyvids or clips4sale, if the purchase was counted toward the countdown. (I.e a $15 counts 200 tokens of the countdown.) I'd think if enough top girls did this MFC, that they'd find it cheaper to issue DMCA rather than policing the girls doing so..

I think Swarles might have been referring to this post. I will NOT be selling any of my videos for MFC tokens because of this new policy. I just direct everyone to my lovely little C4S store. Fuck camscore. I'm online for money, not a popularity contest.

As practical solution, I think Teagan approach is very good and makes a ton of sense As a matter of principal I like Aeryns. Although this is one of those things that camgirls would have to act collective to be effective. If most models did this and assuming videos as percentage of income are relatively similar for most models, tokens per hour/camscore would drop about the same.
The loser would be MFC. and the winners would C4s, and models with their own site.

Of course this guy probably has a better chance of herding the cats, than models acting collectively.

 

[Teagan]

*Snipped*

I am suggesting that this would be a good thing for camgirls to act collectively to get MFC to reverse course.

Although this would violate MFC so called rules. I personally would be more than happy to buy videos, directly from a camgirl personal site or even manyvids or clips4sale, if the purchase was counted toward the countdown. (I.e a $15 counts 200 tokens of the countdown.) I'd think if enough top girls did this MFC, that they'd find it cheaper to issue DMCA rather than policing the girls doing so..

I think Swarles might have been referring to this post. I will NOT be selling any of my videos for MFC tokens because of this new policy. I just direct everyone to my lovely little C4S store. Fuck camscore. I'm online for money, not a popularity contest.

As practical solution, I think Teagan approach is very good and makes a ton of sense As a matter of principal I like Aeryns. Although this is one of those things that camgirls would have to act collective to be effective. If most models did this and assuming videos as percentage of income are relatively similar for most models, tokens per hour/camscore would drop about the same.
The loser would be MFC. and the winners would C4s, and models with their own site.

Of course this guy probably has a better chance of herding the cats, than models acting collectively.

To be fair to MFC some girls were using them just to send out DMCAs without ever really working on the site fully or at all. I seen some people suggesting they get an account there just for that. Not really fair to MFC to get the take down requests to be sent out but not get any money from them.

Also Ive seen a lot of girls bitching out MFC and saying they sent them mean messages for not getting things taken down off of sites that shall not be named here. As if it was MFCs fault and not just the sites who ignore DMCAs.

I cant really blame them from a business stand point to stop offering to send them out. Less work for them to do and no more having to listen to models complain about things they can't control.

 

[AmberCutie]

To be fair to MFC some girls were using them just to send out DMCAs without ever really working on the site fully or at all. I seen some people suggesting they get an account there just for that. Not really fair to MFC to get the take down requests to be sent out but not get any money from them.

Isn't that what you just suggested people do with C4S?

So basically open a clips4sale store and put your videos there. Price match them to what you're charging on MFC or jack up the prices so they dont sell if you dont want them too there.

 

[Teagan]

To be fair to MFC some girls were using them just to send out DMCAs without ever really working on the site fully or at all. I seen some people suggesting they get an account there just for that. Not really fair to MFC to get the take down requests to be sent out but not get any money from them.

Isn't that what you just suggested people do with C4S?

So basically open a clips4sale store and put your videos there. Price match them to what you're charging on MFC or jack up the prices so they dont sell if you dont want them too there.

Yes. They can up the prices if they wish MCF only videos not to sell there. Some girls do like having content exclusive to certain sites. So if it's a video a girl wants only on MFC really they could jack the price up on C4S while having their other videos for sale at everyday prices. I dont see anything wrong with that or anything unfair to C4S.

 

[AmberCutie]

To be fair to MFC some girls were using them just to send out DMCAs without ever really working on the site fully or at all. I seen some people suggesting they get an account there just for that. Not really fair to MFC to get the take down requests to be sent out but not get any money from them.

Isn't that what you just suggested people do with C4S?

So basically open a clips4sale store and put your videos there. Price match them to what you're charging on MFC or jack up the prices so they dont sell if you dont want them too there.

Yes. They can up the prices if they wish MCF only videos not to sell there. Some girls do like having content exclusive to certain sites. So if it's a video a girl wants only on MFC really they could jack the price up on C4S while having their other videos for sale at everyday prices. I dont see anything wrong with that or anything unfair to C4S.

So it's ok for girls to abuse c4s's DMCA service but not MFC's?

Maybe you just misspoke before, but it seemed as though you were implying girls should/could host videos on c4s that they didn't intend to actually sell there, just to use their DMCA service when the videos got spread around after selling them for tokens on MFC. That seems pretty unfair to c4s to me, just like you said it was unfair to use MFC for the same thing.

 

[Teagan]

To be fair to MFC some girls were using them just to send out DMCAs without ever really working on the site fully or at all. I seen some people suggesting they get an account there just for that. Not really fair to MFC to get the take down requests to be sent out but not get any money from them.

Isn't that what you just suggested people do with C4S?

So basically open a clips4sale store and put your videos there. Price match them to what you're charging on MFC or jack up the prices so they dont sell if you dont want them too there.

Yes. They can up the prices if they wish MCF only videos not to sell there. Some girls do like having content exclusive to certain sites. So if it's a video a girl wants only on MFC really they could jack the price up on C4S while having their other videos for sale at everyday prices. I dont see anything wrong with that or anything unfair to C4S.

So it's ok for girls to abuse c4s's DMCA service but not MFC's?

Maybe you just misspoke before, but it seemed as though you were implying girls should/could host videos on c4s that they didn't intend to actually sell there, just to use their DMCA service when the videos got spread around after selling them for tokens on MFC. That seems pretty unfair to c4s to me, just like you said it was unfair to use MFC for the same thing.

Them selling their other videos there would mean C4S is making money off of them still and the girls are contributing to the site. When you do that I dont see that as unfair to C4S. I think it's unfair though if you solely just use them as like a hosting site and nothing more. Didnt mean to be unclear or misspeak. Sorry.

 

[AmberCutie]

I think it's unfair though if you solely just use them as like a hosting site and nothing more. Didnt mean to be unclear or misspeak. Sorry.

Yeah that's what your other posts seemed to say. Roger that.

 

[LittleRedEnvy]

For the most part if your video is on a MAJOR porn site, you really don't even need a DMCA. Just mail the site, say it was you (I didnt even need proof with youporn and pornhub) and they will usually take it down.

The one time I ever asked for anything to be removed, this is what I did. If that didn't work, I wouldn't have put any more effort/real info into it, but it was worth a shot and went fine.

Long before I ever became a camgirl, my ex-brother-in-law uploaded distasteful sexual photos of me (after stalking his username on the Internet, I found out that he used to spy on me when I lived with my sister and him. Ugh!) onto a common porn photo site, complete with nasty incest tags and my FULL REAL NAME. Anyways, I just emailed the website and asked them to remove the content. It took two emails, but within a few days, the content was taken down. Back then, I had never even heard of a DMCA notice, but fuck, they already had my real name anyway. What did I really have to lose?

 

[TacoBelle]

Of course this guy probably has a better chance of herding the cats, than models acting collectively.

What is the point of that statement, HiGirls? MFC has already made up their mind about how they'll deal with DMCAs, and even if all camgirls stopped selling videos there entirely, it's doubtful that they would change that.

It's so funny... (some) ACF members bitch when models are on the same side, and they bitch when models aren't. There's just no winning answer!

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Of course this guy probably has a better chance of herding the cats, than models acting collectively.

What is the point of that statement, HiGirls? MFC has already made up their mind about how they'll deal with DMCAs, and even if all camgirls stopped selling videos there entirely, it's doubtful that they would change that.

It's so funny... (some) ACF members bitch when models are on the same side, and they bitch when models aren't. There's just no winning answer!

Actually there isn't a lot of evidence that MFC won't change their mind. For instance when many members bitched about the removal of rate & admire, it was quickly restored. I don't think MFC is particularly unresponsive, IMO they are as Natalia said just lazy. I bet if MFC saw 10%+ drop in revenue they quickly change their mind. Given there is perfectly reasonable work around "open a C4S store", probably not worth making a big stink over.

I assume that statement referred to me. How models behave on MFC is completely different for how models and members behave on ACF. The activities are quite separate. I'm not generally a union fan, but I think camgirls would greatly benefit from some form of union, not so much for pay as working conditions, like dealing with pirated shows/videos. Anyway I never complain that all models on MFC do XYZ. cause it is simply not even remotely true.

The pile on the ACF newbie, who inadvertently says something offensive, yes I do bitch about that, but that is forum behavior. :twocents-02cents:

 

[AsheSilverr]

Mfc is not losing any type of income. I have worked into studios long enough to know, that a lot of the videos are posted on different porn hubs by the sites(streamate,flirt4free etc) I don't know for sure about mfc but I do know about a lot of sites that put our videos&pictures on porn hubs(made online,or the ones who sell) to boost the traffic. The idea is very simple, ahhh you saw a sexy girl doing a sexy show, let me help you find her, this way they attract new visitors without paying for the traffic they are bringing to the sites. There isn't a right or wrong way to get rid of them, since one video will be down from a site but it will still be posted on different other sites, or different videos! It is a vicious circle...