Suggestion to ease some affiliates' anger

[lavayax]

Hi,

to whom it may concern or interest,
I'm amongst multiple groups of discussion with other webmasters & affiliates and one of the most discussed topic is "affiliate stealing". Wether it's by models or other webmasters it makes no difference.
I was wondering if it would make sense to lock a spender by his CC nnumber Hash & name and how CB should work preventing this?

I know some webmaster that actually wrote support and got their spender's back after CB realized he/she signed up under a different account.

Food for thoughts, not sure if we can come to any conclusion but I was wondering if any of you had the same problem/ had solutions?

 

[lavayax]

That seems petty and like it would be ultimately counterproductive. I'd probably move on to pushing other models. You know best, I suppose.

Finally something we agree on.

 

[bamdicted]

my problem concerns members ACTIVELY poaching users.

I am just wondering how a model/member would know if a user 'belongs' to someone else?

 

[AmberCutie]

I am just wondering how a model/member would know if a user 'belongs' to someone else?

Most probably don't, and as mentioned earlier:

Most users have no idea they signed up under an affiliate link btw. Most see it as a way to support their favorite models.

So affiliates who spend so much energy and "anger" toward the likely very small percentage of people who are acting maliciously would probably be better served doing other things instead.

 

[lavayax]

I am just wondering how a model/member would know if a user 'belongs' to someone else?

User X spends with model Y.

Model Y asks user X (or sometimes its directly written on the profile) to sign out and create a new account to "support" her. Now model Y earn 20% of all spending of user X wether he spends with her or with another model.

 

[lavayax]

So affiliates who spend so much energy and "anger" toward the likely very small percentage of people who are acting maliciously would probably be better served doing other things instead.

In term of affiliates, it's usually a small number of members that gets us 50% of our revenues (same with models I guess?). Those members might be poached by other members (affiliates, webmasters, models).

Not going to keep whining about it, but models can actually take the customers to their instagram, onlyfans, other networks, and actually do upsales. Affiliates cannot because we have no infos on who they are and their behavior.

One solution would be to kill the lifetime revshare and do PPS.

 

[AmberCutie]

User X spends with model Y.

Model Y asks user X (or sometimes its directly written on the profile) to sign out and create a new account to "support" her. Now model Y earn 20% of all spending of user X wether he spends with her or with another model.

...and there's a good chance she had NO idea the member already used an affiliate. Could have signed up directly on the site without an affiliate link for all she knows.

That was bam's point.

 

[lavayax]

...and there's a good chance she had NO idea the member already used an affiliate. Could have signed up directly on the site without an affiliate link for all she knows.

Of course. Hence my question was "could a technical measure counter that?" I don't mean to hurt people business, I mean to keep mine afloat.

 

[AudriTwo]

Not going to keep whining about it, but models can actually take the customers to their instagram, onlyfans, other networks, and actually do upsales. Affiliates cannot because we have no infos on who they are and their behavior.

Maybe affiliate for a site where models aren't allowed to promote their social media or other paysites. Those sites do exist.

 

[Billyboy]

Of course. Hence my question was "could a technical measure counter that?" I don't mean to hurt people business, I mean to keep mine afloat.

If I understand what you have said, what you propose boils down to this:

• If I sign up under your affiliate, my credit card is locked to you and can't be used to sign up on CB using any other affiliate link.
• If over time I become friends with a model and I decide I want to support her without her asking, I cannot use that same credit card to create a new profile.
• So that credit card and associated spend is forever locked to your affiliate?

Is this generally what you are proposing, as you would have no idea if a model is poaching members, or the member chooses to support the model by their own free will?

I had to read up on affiliate program, as it was new to me. I understand you have a business to protect, but I am going to CB to have fun and yes, I support some models more than others. I have never signed up to an affiliate link, but if one of my friends had one, I would do it to help her. I have loyalty to a few models and I would not want to be prevented from helping her if I chose to.

I have a single credit card with a low limit that I use specifically for things like CB, so as a member would not want to be prevented from using it where I see fit.

 

[StoneyDog]

If I understand what you have said, what you propose boils down to this:

• If I sign up under your affiliate, my credit card is locked to you and can't be used to sign up on CB using any other affiliate link.
• If over time I become friends with a model and I decide I want to support her without her asking, I cannot use that same credit card to create a new profile.
• So that credit card and associated spend is forever locked to your affiliate?

Is this generally what you are proposing, as you would have no idea if a model is poaching members, or the member chooses to support the model by their own free will?

I had to read up on affiliate program, as it was new to me. I understand you have a business to protect, but I am going to CB to have fun and yes, I support some models more than others. I have never signed up to an affiliate link, but if one of my friends had one, I would do it to help her. I have loyalty to a few models and I would not want to be prevented from helping her if I chose to.

I have a single credit card with a low limit that I use specifically for things like CB, so as a member would not want to be prevented from using it where I see fit.

How did something as simple as paying to see naked woman get so complicated on chaturbate?

Even though I use burner cards, the thought that chaturbate or its “affiliates” think they have any control over how or where I use my card in any shape or form is disturbing

no thanks. This thread was a valuable lesson in avoiding this scam

 

[Notjustmetoo]

What's kinda sad is that both parties are actually supposed to be on the same side.. There is truth in what the OP says. A model specificially asking users to resignup is no different than CB forbidding to go for off platform skype shows for example. If the users does so by his own discovery then that's something else. You can control a user's behaviour.

Affiliates deserve as much life time reg share as we models do. Why are people even calling the other leachers? Without affiliates camsites would bleed out sooner or later..

Possible solution: MAYBE CB needs to strictly forbid any active talk about affiliate links on its profile itself towards members. Make it the users decision after all without active interference of the model. So if it were my decision the model is allowed to have a signup ref link on CB or wherever however the model can not discuss the affiliate link with the user under any circumstance. If she does, it's considered poaching

I'm speaking from both sides as far as experience. Seems like this feud between affiliates and models is ages old and still they havent realised that the need eachother more than they think

 

[mika_kedi]

I have never signed up to an affiliate link, but if one of my friends had one, I would do it to help her.

Good news, you can! Every CB model has an affiliate link, some of them just don't advertise them. So if that's something you want to do, you can just contact one of your friends on Twitter and ask for their link.

 

[Billyboy]

Good news, you can! Every CB model has an affiliate link, some of them just don't advertise them. So if that's something you want to do, you can just contact one of your friends on Twitter and ask for their link.

Great. Thanks for that. Now it is like deciding who is my favorite child! All of my model friends are struggling to different degrees. As mentioned in another thread, one of them made 79 tokens for 6 hours yesterday and that has to be split with the studio.

 

[MarieElise]

As a user of sites as well as a model, I would leave a site if they forced me to stay with a specific affiliate. I am loyal to models and specific sites only, and I would stop spending completely on that site, if my card was banned because I signed up to some web"master" and then decided to change to a specific model's affiliate instead. In fact, I would be livid if I were forced into such a situation. That would be an absolutely terrible business idea for any site to implement.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

As a user of sites as well as a model, I would leave a site if they forced me to stay with a specific affiliate. I am loyal to models and specific sites only, and I would stop spending completely on that site, if my card was banned because I signed up to some web"master" and then decided to change to a specific model's affiliate instead. In fact, I would be livid if I were forced into such a situation. That would be an absolutely terrible business idea for any site to implement.

I personally wouldnt agree your opinion but nuance it as said above that you as a user are free to do what you like however a model verbally incentivising you to log out, clear cookies and resignup with your link that's wrong.

Also nothing wrong with models having a link on top of their page convincing anons that actually came from anywhere else to use the ref link.

Blocking a payment card to a webmaster or model is not the solution no doubt. Would be a bad move

 

[AudriTwo]

Affiliates deserve as much life time reg share as we models do. Why are people even calling the other leachers? Without affiliates camsites would bleed out sooner or later..

a lot of us have had bad experiences with affiliates. a lot of them do some scuzzy tactics. creating fake profiles on dating sites. posting our paid shows on pornhub with their affiliate link. coming into our rooms to spam their links. i had an affiliate impersonate me on instagram and scammed my fanbase by promising skype shows or meetups for paypal or amazon gift cards.

In other places on the internet, a lot likes to use derogative language when talking about us. there isn't a lot of respect.

hell one joined to tell @Lintilla in this very thread they are removing her from their affiliate sites because they didn't like her opinion.

 

[MarieElise]

a model verbally incentivising you to log out, clear cookies and resignup with your link that's wrong.

I don't think that's wrong at all. I don't see an issue with it whatsoever. So yeah... In fact I think it's a smart business move of that model. No lying involved, simply just letting the Members know how things work, and helping them to make an informed choice. Many members are not even aware what an affiliate is. I think models should be actively encouraged to do this actually Hopefully this whole thread will encourage more to do so, because it certainly isn't making OP look good. ??

E.T.A. I mean... just look at the thread title, I laughed out loud when I read it. It's ridiculous

 

[Notjustmetoo]

a lot of us have had bad experiences with affiliates. a lot of them do some scuzzy tactics. creating fake profiles on dating sites. posting our paid shows on pornhub with their affiliate link. coming into our rooms to spam their links. i had an affiliate impersonate me on instagram and scammed my fanbase by promising skype shows or meetups for paypal or amazon gift cards.

In other places on the internet, a lot likes to use derogative language when talking about us. there isn't a lot of respect.

hell one joined to tell @Lintilla in this very thread they are removing her from their affiliate sites because they didn't like her opinion.

Yeah i hear ya, that shit sucks without a doubt. If only affiliates would have a non tedious way of collabing with models they feel like they'd do good promoting with and somehow split rev. Kinda like the model licensing their work to be used and posted in return of using the models affiliate link only. WIN WIN.

Both parties should team the fuck up instead of screwing eachother ?

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I don't think that's wrong at all. I don't see an issue with it whatsoever. So yeah... In fact I think it's a smart business move of that model. No lying involved, simply just letting the Members know how things work, and helping them to make an informed choice. Many members are not even aware what an affiliate is. I think models should be actively encouraged to do this actually Hopefully this whole thread will encourage more to do so, because it certainly isn't making OP look good. ??

E.T.A. I mean... just look at the thread title, I laughed out loud when I read it. It's ridiculous

That would also get models banned if caught....

 

[MarieElise]

That would also get models banned if caught....

OK my bad, don't do that then models.
It sucks that's not allowed, but listen to NP, gotta play by the rules.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

That would also get models banned if caught....

Exactly this. It's not necessairly smart for multiple reasons. Either way everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Affiliate programs are meant to drive new traffic and convert them or convert non paying members that just found out about CB accidentally to payers, right? Great Converting an affiliate to another persons affiliate in so so ways is selfish behaviour in a way (not to sound rude). Your affiliate links is intended to be used by your social media fanbase or non members that happen to find you when stumbling upon you.

Affiliate poaching is no other then telling members that they will support you better by paying you directly. It's a no no.

For certain affiliate marketing in porn is broken by illegal use of content. But it doesnt justify returning the 'favor' by poaching.

There are way smarter business moves than risking a ban trying to poach affiliates ? Grow your socials and be the direct source of it ?

This said without favoring affiliates in any way.

 

[MarieElise]

Exactly this. It's not necessairly smart for multiple reasons. Either way everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Affiliate programs are meant to drive new traffic and convert them or convert non paying members that just found out about CB accidentally to payers, right? Great Converting an affiliate to another persons affiliate in so so ways is selfish behaviour in a way (not to sound rude). Your affiliate links is intended to be used by your social media fanbase or non members that happen to find you when stumbling upon you.

For certain affiliate marketing in porn is broken by illegal use of content. But it doesnt justify returning the 'favor' by poaching.

There are way smarter business moves than risking a ban trying to poach affiliates ? Grow your socials and be the direct source of it ?

This said without favoring affiliates in any way.

I see your point on that, I guess I have a lack of trust that most affiliates are really doing that much honest or ethical work.
If an affiliate is really working hard, doing honest advertising, and being respectful, then yeah, I see your point there.
It's just a lot of the more vocal examples online that seem like entitled assholes. So it's hard from my point of view to trust that there are actually cool affiliates out there, working hard, and not just trashing models, while profiting off of us, and using shady techniques to try to earn for themselves. Without putting in the work of getting online, dealing with trolls, becoming physically exhausted etc. etc.

ETA; So to me it's not shady, it's just taking back. Honestly, if I believed that the majority of affiliates were cool, hard-working, and genuinely helpful I wouldn't have that opinion. This thread hasn't done much to change that opinion, purely based upon OPs reaction to Lintilla being blunt w her/him/ them.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

I see your point on that, I guess I have a lack of trust that most affiliates are really doing that much honest or ethical work.
If an affiliate is really working hard, doing honest advertising, and being respectful, then yeah, I see your point there.
It's just a lot of the more vocal examples online that seem like entitled assholes. So it's hard from my point of view to trust that there are actually cool affiliates out there, working hard, and not just trashing models, while profiting off of us, and using shady techniques to try to earn for themselves, without putting in the work of getting online, dealing with trolls, becoming physically exhausted etc. etc.

You'll always have shitty ones, especially in the business of porn which seems prone to (copyright) abuse. Unfortunately it makes us forget how vital affiliates are especially how strict things are becoming aswell. But i fully understand the trust and annoyance of getting your content stolen and used for affiliate work on top of all the effort we as models have to do to convert that effort into dollar. Camsites should enable or facilitate in a way the bridge between models and affiliates. Affiliates need content, models need traffic.

I've been part and still of both parties in this discussion which is why I support both. It's crazy effort and mentally challeging on both sides to say the least

 

[SIREN]

Just my 2 cents. I guess such an instrument as affiliate link was supposed initially to bring new advertisers that bring new users. The fact that models use affiliate links on their profiles makes whole system unbalanced. And this harms all the members actually, both affiliates and models. Maybe models start to earn less because growing ecosystem needs more affiliates and more traffic consequently? I don't know... To think that affiliates are leeches is definitely very biased opinion

 

[Danigirl]

It's part of the business with affiliate. You know whales may never stay. Just like I can't make members only tip in my room. I don't freaking own members. I also don't outright say anything about switching but I do have my link available if anyone wants to use it on my bio.

Your attitude and tone is condescending as hell. Makes no one want to even entertain your point of view.

 

[Notjustmetoo]

It's part of the business with affiliate. You know whales may never stay. Just like I can't make members only tip in my room. I don't freaking own members. I also don't outright say anything about switching but I do have my link available if anyone wants to use it on my bio.

Your attitude and tone is condescending as hell. Makes no one want to even entertain your point of view.

If the camsite actually finds it an issue and possibly wants to avoid affiliates dropping a camsite driving traffic it should incentivize users to keep their profile as a whole, user rankings, social media like profile, ID verified profile page, .. just brainstorming on top of my head

If not I believe this should be the one and only way models are allowed to mention affiliate links on their own CB page for example. Let users decide for themselves without persuasion even the slightest

People should think of killing the affiliate system as the generally known slow months on camsites. Imagine it becomes slower and slower and slower cause affiliates drop the camsite. But then again similar topics have been around like CB taking too big of a cut when in fact it's already a blessing to make good money off of a camsite you drove no traffic too in the beginning.

 

[SIREN]

It's part of the business with affiliate. You know whales may never stay. Just like I can't make members only tip in my room. I don't freaking own members. I also don't outright say anything about switching but I do have my link available if anyone wants to use it on my bio.

Your attitude and tone is condescending as hell. Makes no one want to even entertain your point of view.

Yes. Whales may never stay. Affiliates will just eventually move to other new site. And it will become new big thing. Certainly not the thing that Chaturbate wants

 

[SIREN]

BTW. It would be very interesting to compare the effectiveness of affiliate links if they are used by affiliates or models.
I personally make about 1 dollar per signup (affiliate, 20% revshare).
Anybody else?

 

[_pilya_]

If a member joins my affiliate rev share, I don’t think they have to delete their original account hence they are a lifetime affiliated with the model they signed up with their user UID/ID number. So, if they go back to their favorite model, I’m sure they would be using that account in their room which the models know them by they are affiliated with them.

I could be wrong, but it’s still ultimately up to the user to make a new account, visit 1 , 2 or even 100 models or even other sites which no matter what affiliate codes you have for one site, can’t control in another site.

I fully understand someone promoting affiliates as an income source and only have that source reduced by the user creating another affiliate (rev share), but again that person still has that rev share account, it’s still the user’s choice to re-use/change or move on.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

Just my 2 cents. I guess such an instrument as affiliate link was supposed initially to bring new advertisers that bring new users. The fact that models use affiliate links on their profiles makes whole system unbalanced. And this harms all the members actually, both affiliates and models. Maybe models start to earn less because growing ecosystem needs more affiliates and more traffic consequently? I don't know... To think that affiliates are leeches is definitely very biased opinion

How would that harm anyone? If someone is on a models page already and their affiliate link is what gets them to sign up why would anyone have an issue with that?

BTW. It would be very interesting to compare the effectiveness of affiliate links if they are used by affiliates or models.
I personally make about 1 dollar per signup (affiliate, 20% revshare).
Anybody else?

Currently at $44.01 per signup on average. Will probably increase a lot in the near future