The Jenna Jameson of camgirls?

[LuckySmiles]

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

nooo silly silly. I caught her on her second day for a little whenever she first got on and it was in the 2000s. Camscore is tokens and time shes been mfc less than a week with a bazillion tokens, hence, high score. it makes sense! it always makes sense!

 

[SoTxBob]

I think she did start with a high score. I happened to catch her the first hour online and was surprised to see it since the official talk of mfc is they don't bump 'celebrity' cs any more.
In any event, I'd be willing to agree that while she may have many reasons to be here, the primary is for research and fodder for her upcoming documentary.

.....but hey, what do I know... I'm just a guy.... :whistle:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I think she did start with a high score. I happened to catch her the first hour online and was surprised to see it since the official talk of mfc is they don't bump 'celebrity' cs any more.
In any event, I'd be willing to agree that while she may have many reasons to be here, the primary is for research and fodder for her upcoming documentary.

.....but hey, what do I know... I'm just a guy.... :whistle:

first i saw her CS was 1764. I think she started with 1000 like normal.

 

[yossarian]

I do think, in all fairness, she should disqualify herself from Miss MFC. Her being on the site is good publicity and it indirectly helps all the models, but her competing in a contest where she has an unfair advantage and where there is prize money involved seems like kind of a "fuck-you" to the models who work their asses off to earn a living there, and for whom being a former Miss MFC will mean a lot to their income even after Jenna gets bored with the site and leaves (which I fully anticipate will happen).

 

[LuckySmiles]

I do think, in all fairness, she should disqualify herself from Miss MFC. Her being on the site is good publicity and it indirectly helps all the models, but her competing in a contest where she has an unfair advantage and where there is prize money involved seems like kind of a "fuck-you" to the models who work their asses off to earn a living there, and for whom being a former Miss MFC will mean a lot to their income even after Jenna gets bored with the site and leaves (which I fully anticipate will happen).

I think that's a bit silly. Say she did get #1, and you were the model to be #1 the following month. And someone asked you like, "Hey so what's #1 in miss mfc mean?"
and you're like, "oh ya know, just the girls who did the best for the month. like there's me this month last month jenna jameson, the month before SuperHotLady...ya know...miss MFC!!"

might make it a more interesting category to be in for some?

 

[yossarian]

I do think, in all fairness, she should disqualify herself from Miss MFC. Her being on the site is good publicity and it indirectly helps all the models, but her competing in a contest where she has an unfair advantage and where there is prize money involved seems like kind of a "fuck-you" to the models who work their asses off to earn a living there, and for whom being a former Miss MFC will mean a lot to their income even after Jenna gets bored with the site and leaves (which I fully anticipate will happen).

I think that's a bit silly. Say she did get #1, and you were the model to be #1 the following month. And someone asked you like, "Hey so what's #1 in miss mfc mean?"
and you're like, "oh ya know, just the girls who did the best for the month. like there's me this month last month jenna jameson, the month before SuperHotLady...ya know...miss MFC!!"

might make it a more interesting category to be in for some?

I guess I look at it like if Taylor Swift decided to audition for The Voice or some show like that. It would bring great publicity to her and the show (not that either needs it, but, you know), but is it fair to the other people who are competing against her?

In the scenario you mention, you assume Jenna will only win once. What if she wins consistently, month after month? Is that fair?

 

[JerryBoBerry]

I guess I look at it like if Taylor Swift decided to audition for The Voice or some show like that. It would bring great publicity to her and the show (not that either needs it, but, you know), but is it fair to the other people who are competing against her?

In the scenario you mention, you assume Jenna will only win once. What if she wins consistently, month after month? Is that fair?

Yes.

The entire monthly contest is based on tokens earned. If she wins she wins.

 

[AmberCutie]

I've never seen a camscore climb so quickly. I'm glad Jenna's on MFC! She has a huge fanbase and will probably bring tons of new traffic to the site. And those guys don't have their lives timed up perfectly with Jenna's schedule!

I'm sure the new guys she brings to the site will log on when she's off and wander around checking out other models that they like. Some of the biggest tippers I've seen tip a LOT of different girls... So I just don't understand why anyone can think this is a bad thing for other girls.

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

I agree it will only be a good thing for other models as it will drive traffic to MFC. Once the novelty and newness wears off, I can guarantee the numbers will level off. In all the time I have been on MFC some famous porn stars have come and gone and in the end they do not want to do the work that is involved to stay in the top echelon MFC models.

She started at 1k like everyone. I saw her rise to about 2600 after an hour.

I wish people would stop thinking that since she's a porn star she started at a higher camscore. It's not true, it's just a rumor.

 

[LuckySmiles]

I do think, in all fairness, she should disqualify herself from Miss MFC. Her being on the site is good publicity and it indirectly helps all the models, but her competing in a contest where she has an unfair advantage and where there is prize money involved seems like kind of a "fuck-you" to the models who work their asses off to earn a living there, and for whom being a former Miss MFC will mean a lot to their income even after Jenna gets bored with the site and leaves (which I fully anticipate will happen).

I think that's a bit silly. Say she did get #1, and you were the model to be #1 the following month. And someone asked you like, "Hey so what's #1 in miss mfc mean?"
and you're like, "oh ya know, just the girls who did the best for the month. like there's me this month last month jenna jameson, the month before SuperHotLady...ya know...miss MFC!!"

might make it a more interesting category to be in for some?

I guess I look at it like if Taylor Swift decided to audition for The Voice or some show like that. It would bring great publicity to her and the show (not that either needs it, but, you know), but is it fair to the other people who are competing against her?

In the scenario you mention, you assume Jenna will only win once. What if she wins consistently, month after month? Is that fair?

Except she's never been a camgirl on MFC before, and it's not exactly the same as porn. So you mean like if taylor swift showed up at a battle of the bands somewhere 10 years after she stopped performing as a singer and was playing guitar... would that be fair? YES. it's not the same thing and people might go to the battle because it's taylor swift... :? and they might be taylor swift fans that wouldn't normally go to that type of show, but it doesn't mean she'll win. And maybe some of her fans will get into the scene but some might not.
Her name would initially bring in more fans to something new, but eventually she's have to prove herself, same as anyone else.

that's the most, first, and last time i ever expect to analyze taylor swift doing something. :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

I dunno. If I was in the running for #1 and lost 2nd place to her, I'd feel a little bitter. It's an unfair competition, to say the least.

If #2 put in 200 hours trying to make it to 1st, and got beat by a girl with 500k twitter followers and a few million fans and only put in 30 hours and made it to #1? Yes, there will be bitterness.

No matter how you spin it.

 

[NoelleBright]

What would be awesome is if Jenna did stick around and Brina was still able to hold down the #1 spot.
Those would be some pretty epic bragging rights.

 

[UncleThursday]

I've never seen a camscore climb so quickly. I'm glad Jenna's on MFC! She has a huge fanbase and will probably bring tons of new traffic to the site. And those guys don't have their lives timed up perfectly with Jenna's schedule!

I'm sure the new guys she brings to the site will log on when she's off and wander around checking out other models that they like. Some of the biggest tippers I've seen tip a LOT of different girls... So I just don't understand why anyone can think this is a bad thing for other girls.

I think she started at a 10k camscore. Regardless, that is still quite some movement.

I agree it will only be a good thing for other models as it will drive traffic to MFC. Once the novelty and newness wears off, I can guarantee the numbers will level off. In all the time I have been on MFC some famous porn stars have come and gone and in the end they do not want to do the work that is involved to stay in the top echelon MFC models.

No, she started at 1k. However, she has earned enough to make it to a peak of #39 when I last saw last night, with under 10 hours online... might only be around 6 hours as of that time. I have not yet logged into MFC tonight, but when I left for work she was #41.

But, just think about that. 6-10 hours on cam, and earned enough to make it into the top 50 when we're about a third of the way through the month (places in the top 100 start getting harder to achieve around this time). So, with no previous 60 day average, of course her camscore is going to skyrocket. It was at 17k last night, which seems about right for earning that many tokens in such a short amount of cam time.

 

[JickyJuly]

I dunno. If I was in the running for #1 and lost 2nd place to her, I'd feel a little bitter. It's an unfair competition, to say the least.

If #2 put in 200 hours trying to make it to 1st, and got beat by a girl with 500k twitter followers and a few million fans and only put in 30 hours and made it to #1? Yes, there will be bitterness.

No matter how you spin it.

It can't be a fair competition if she's left out either. Lots of girls talk about how much work they put in off cam, and how that should be respected. She's given like 20 years of her life to porn. She has no anonymity. She's not going to retire someday and become a nurse or a teacher. Everything she makes on mfc or elsewhere is as hard earned as anyone else.

 

[UncleThursday]

I dunno. If I was in the running for #1 and lost 2nd place to her, I'd feel a little bitter. It's an unfair competition, to say the least.

If #2 put in 200 hours trying to make it to 1st, and got beat by a girl with 500k twitter followers and a few million fans and only put in 30 hours and made it to #1? Yes, there will be bitterness.

No matter how you spin it.

Yeah, which is why I can foresee the rage happening if she does take #1... getting to #39 last night on her 3rd day online, 1/3 of the way through the month says she has a very good chance of hitting #1 at this rate. As I said, I haven't yet logged in so I don't know her current rank, or even if she was online.

Those models who have made hard pushes for #1 but never got there, especially those that have been #2 a lot, could end up fuming some major anger at losing to someone just based on her celebrity status; especially if she puts in far less time on cam than them in this month.

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

 

[rwesmill]

Wow, a lot more conspiracy theories and animosity towards Jenna on here than I'd like to see.

She started at 1k like everyone else. MFC has no vested interest to 'rig' her mfc career, camscore, or miss mfc standings no more than they'd have an incentive to rig any other model on the site. You have to remember, if she was given an intentional advantage and someone caught it/reported it, it would mean a mass mutiny/exodus by a ton of po'd fellow models. I think a lot of you are being quite outlandish and unfair in your accusations and letting your underlying disdain towards her cloud your judgement.

I myself aren't particularly a fan of hers, and definitely am not a fan of her new 'look' courtesy of innumerous surgical procedures, but I say good on her for making the conscious effort to connect with her fans on a more personal level.

Heck, I'm one of the biggest Michael Jordan fans on the face of the earth. If he actually took time out of his ridiculous schedule to go on tinychat and interact with his fans, I'd be the happiest man on earth.

Time IS money, and she IS sacrificing her personal time just like any other model on mfc. If she so happens to swipe Miss MFC her first month, we should all congratulate her on an amazing feat, 'pornstar' celebrity or not.

 

[KayleePond]

Wow, a lot more conspiracy theories and animosity towards Jenna on here than I'd like to see.

She started at 1k like everyone else. MFC has no vested interest to 'rig' her mfc career, camscore, or miss mfc standings no more than they'd have an incentive to rig any other model on the site. You have to remember, if she was given an intentional advantage and someone caught it/reported it, it would mean a mass mutiny/exodus by a ton of po'd fellow models. I think a lot of you are being quite outlandish and unfair in your accusations and letting your underlying disdain towards her cloud your judgement.

I myself aren't particularly a fan of hers, and definitely am not a fan of her new 'look' courtesy of innumerous surgical procedures, but I say good on her for making the conscious effort to connect with her fans on a more personal level.

Heck, I'm one of the biggest Michael Jordan fans on the face of the earth. If he actually took time out of his ridiculous schedule to go on tinychat and interact with his fans, I'd be the happiest man on earth.

Time IS money, and she IS sacrificing her personal time just like any other model on mfc. If she so happens to swipe Miss MFC her first month, we should all congratulate her on an amazing feat, 'pornstar' celebrity or not.

I haven't really seen that much negativity here, mostly people being supportive and interested. There has been some pondering and speculating about what might happen and how it might effect the website that many of us make our living on, which is not unreasonable. It's just a discussion, not an attack on her!

Two people said they thought she started with a higher camscore and then others pretty politely said that she had not so I don't really see that as a conspiracy theory or accusations.

It's a new exciting thing so it's fun to talk about and think about!

 

[PunkInDrublic]

She's given like 20 years of her life to porn.

Seems safe to say she has spent more time and effort building her fan base than any mfc model.

 

[sexyvanessa4u]

It's the guy members that are starting more drama than the women. There are Jenna fans going in Brina's room talking shit, and vice versa. I heard Brina say she didn't want any talk about Jenna and then some of her fans started insulting Jenna. Brina said something like "I don't want you guys insulting her, it's just rude to talk about another model in another model's room." Jenna said the same thing in her room. I like both of them.

 

[Kittycatpurr]

I was out for dinner with my boyfriend on tuesday night when a model I know who I talk to off site sent me a text saying 'Jenna Jameson is on cam now on MFC. We are all doomed' My immediate reaction was 'OMG I'm really tempted to drag Al home now so we can go and have a perv', followed by the reasoning that ultimately i don't see why anyone would think that having a pornstar as famous as Jenna joining MFC would be a bad thing for the site. It's pretty obvious to me that with Jenna hosting some upcoming awards ceremony that MFC happen to be one of the sponsors of that there has been some kind of agreement between her and Leo etc to do some cross promotion. Regardless, raising the site's profile and bringing in new traffic can never be a bad thing. I think there is some fear of the kind of traffic she will bring but only time will tell, we'll probably find that a proportion of it will be spending money and tipping amongst all the models on the site and there will be some freeloaders too, it's just the law of averages.

All the girls who are getting anxsty about the fact that they feel that money is somehow being taken out of their pockets just from Jenna being here, stand back and look at the bigger picture. It's all very well to let your own insecurities get the better of you and direct blame to other people for your own failures when what you need to be doing is focusing on what you do, not what you perceive anyone else may be doing. Ultimately in life the only things you should worry about are the things you can control (i.e. your own actions), anything that is beyond your control (the actions of other people) are simply not worth worrying about.

I often feel like working on MFC is a bit like taking part in one of those ridiculous beauty pageants that get parodied in the media. We could be working together for the greater good of all but people get lost in the petty bitch fests and disagreements which are quite often stirred up by members looking for a bit of drama and some attention from their favourite girl. I'm sure before the month is out we'll be seeing this in practice from members in both Jenna's room and any other girl who is in the top 20 trying to hold or improve their place. Should make for interesting observation, just don't get too caught up in it and be aware of how very silly it is. Oh, and be grateful for the fact that whatever your personal opinion might be on Jenna or any other model for that matter, she is bringing some much needed new traffic to the site, which will do us all good.

There, that's my :twocents-02cents:

 

[Sevrin]

If there it does come to be a fight between Jenna and Brina or some other MFC model for #1, Brina might just end up making more money from Jennaphobes than she would if it was just her and another model in the last-minute token race. Brina might get tokens from people who never would have tipped her otherwise. Title or not, I don't think ending up making a ton of tokens as #2 would be *such* a bad thing for Brina.

 

[AmberCutie]

If there it does come to be a fight between Jenna and Brina or some other MFC model for #1, Brina might just end up making more money from Jennaphobes than she would if it was just her and another model in the last-minute token race. Brina might get tokens from people who never would have tipped her otherwise. Title or not, I don't think ending up making a ton of tokens as #2 would be *such* a bad thing for Brina.

That's true. So long as it remained friendly, though. I could see it getting scary competitive, and who knows how Jenna would handle it. Brina doesn't let her room trash-talk, but Jenna is brand new to this and may let it fester. It could get ugly.

But yeah if the competition stays friendly, it could incite a very large tip war that could result in great things for both of them.

I didn't mean to underplay the amount of work Jenna has put in to her career in the past when I say it's "unfair competition", sorry. More so that there are only so many hours a top model can put in against someone who merely needs to show up and get rained on in tokens. Not saying Jenna doesn't deserve it, just saying it may be impossible odds if she does get up to the top toward the end of the month. And not everyone is as understanding of this as we at ACF are, so there'd definitely be bitterness and rage from a lot of people. Members and models alike.

 

[Jillybean]

I finally got to watch her. I love her. I'm a fan now.

She was saying how she can't keep up with PMs and a member suggested that she turn them off. She said she will once she figures out how to, but she really likes hearing from the other girls on MFC and all the nice things they've been saying to her.

So I love her. Because obviously by that statement, she was talking about me (disregard that I've never PMed her) and now we she is my girlfriend. Lol, I'm so nuts. :dance:

 

[mynameisbob84]

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

I'm not sure I see the parallels. The example from your workplace is nepotism, pure and simple. I can see why that would irk someone. But the thing with Jenna (at least as I understand it) is completely different.

If Jenna can make more money in 30 hours than the next highest tipped model can make in 200 hours, she deserves to be Miss MFC. It seems really reductive to say "she's only being tipped because she's famous". It completely ignores the fact that she's spent the last 20 years working hard to make a name for herself. Why shouldn't she use the celebrity that she's worked hard to attain, to make money for herself?

 

[Kittycatpurr]

Can i just say that all this discussion of Jenna has prompted me to buy her book for my kindle and find it amazingly engrossing. She has been through an absolute shit ton in her life to get the point where she is now and have the success that she has, the woman has earned the right to take MFC by storm if she so wishes and good luck to her. Oh, and I still think that she is going to do the site a lot of good traffic wise. Like Bob says, 20 years of hard work in a very tough industry means that surely no one could begrudge her being able to make it rain when she gets on cam whilst fully clothed? I think we'd all like to be in that position but we're not, it shouldn't mean that we all automatically start moaning that it's not fair on the rest of us. Bitterness and jealousy is so pointless, it does nothing but destroy the person feeling it.

 

[LilyMarie]

It's kind of sad (not really because $, but, you know, kind of) how she has to escape to private or group all the time because in public chat people just can't shut the hell up about her ex. Super lame and disrespectful. They get the chance to talk to the biggest name in porn for free, and they choose to talk about the one thing she clearly doesn't want to talk about, just ignoring her when she asks to drop the subject. :roll:

 

[zippypinhead]

Does anyone else not see her listed on the front page, even when she's on? Maybe it's because she's jumping in and out of private and group so much?

 

[AmberCutie]

Looks like she finally figured out how to block models from her room. It was slightly more enjoyable to peek in on her today without 20 extra models in her room trying to get attention.

 

[yossarian]

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

I'm not sure I see the parallels. The example from your workplace is nepotism, pure and simple. I can see why that would irk someone. But the thing with Jenna (at least as I understand it) is completely different.

If Jenna can make more money in 30 hours than the next highest tipped model can make in 200 hours, she deserves to be Miss MFC. It seems really reductive to say "she's only being tipped because she's famous". It completely ignores the fact that she's spent the last 20 years working hard to make a name for herself. Why shouldn't she use the celebrity that she's worked hard to attain, to make money for herself?

I can't quite put my finger on why I find it distasteful. I see how hard all these other models work, and it seems unfair, that's all. It sets off bells and whistles on my Injustice Alarm.

Clearly, it's just something to do for her--she's a dilettante, it seems. To me, it's sort of like if Wal-Mart decided to move into a small town, put a bunch of mom and pop stores out of business just because it could, and then close their store and move on. Sure, they can do it, and if the public wants to spend their money there at the expense of their neighbors, they will. But that doesn't make it any less of a douchebag thing to do. She's on MFC fucking around with other people's livelihoods just because she can, or because she's bored, as she clearly either a.) doesn't need the money or b.) could make money/get publicity in a hundred other ways that don't stomp on "little guys" (or gals) who are trying to earn a living. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions/making unfair assumptions, but I can't deny that it sticks in my gut a little. At least taking "Miss MFC" off the table would, to my mind, even the scales a bit.

It seems nobody else thinks of it this way, and I realize it's not even necessarily a rational conclusion to arrive at. But I've seen this kind of thing happen in other jobs SO many times that it bugs me on an emotional level. Obviously, the models aren't bothered by it, so I guess my misgivings are irrelevant.

 

[Sevrin]

A good analogy that affects me, personally, is two guys at work. One of them got in good with another guy who happens to be in good with someone high up in the company. They both got some MAJOR raises in the past few weeks. The guy in good with the higher up got something like a $6/hour raise (making him the highest paid employee on the floor), and the guy who is in good with him got almost a $3/hour raise. Meanwhile, the guy I work with and myself have gotten nothing, even though for the past few weeks we've been not only doing our jobs, but the jobs of other people, as well; and we consistently outperform our normal job requirements every day. So, needless to say, there is some bitterness there, just like how Brina or Oliva would have some major bitterness if Jenna just jumps to #1 in the next week or so and stays there the rest of the month.

I'm not sure I see the parallels. The example from your workplace is nepotism, pure and simple. I can see why that would irk someone. But the thing with Jenna (at least as I understand it) is completely different.

If Jenna can make more money in 30 hours than the next highest tipped model can make in 200 hours, she deserves to be Miss MFC. It seems really reductive to say "she's only being tipped because she's famous". It completely ignores the fact that she's spent the last 20 years working hard to make a name for herself. Why shouldn't she use the celebrity that she's worked hard to attain, to make money for herself?

I can't quite put my finger on why I find it distasteful. I see how hard all these other models work, and it seems unfair, that's all. It sets off bells and whistles on my Injustice Alarm.

Clearly, it's just something to do for her--she's a dilettante, it seems. To me, it's sort of like if Wal-Mart decided to move into a small town, put a bunch of mom and pop stores out of business just because it could, and then close their store and move on. Sure, they can do it, and if the public wants to spend their money there at the expense of their neighbors, they will. But that doesn't make it any less of a douchebag thing to do. She's on MFC fucking around with other people's livelihoods just because she can, or because she's bored, as she clearly either a.) doesn't need the money or b.) could make money/get publicity in a hundred other ways that don't stomp on "little guys" (or gals) who are trying to earn a living. Maybe I'm jumping to conclusions/making unfair assumptions, but I can't deny that it sticks in my gut a little. At least taking "Miss MFC" off the table would, to my mind, even the scales a bit.

It seems nobody else thinks of it this way, and I realize it's not even necessarily a rational conclusion to arrive at. But I've seen this kind of thing happen in other jobs SO many times that it bugs me on an emotional level. Obviously, the models aren't bothered by it, so I guess my misgivings are irrelevant.

There are thousands of tokens distributed among hundreds of models every minute of every day, mostly during the hours Jenna is on. Kickaz got a 50k tip *while Jenna was on*. Her impact on the earnings other models will be pretty insignificant, especially compared to the influx of new members a celebrity like her can draw to the site. The mom and pop stores will be just fine.

 

[yossarian]

I know, I said it wasn't a rational feeling.

But I do think it might underscore why so many models were out for her blood. They're scared. The models here on ACF, who are accomplished and successful and have been doing this a while, are not worried about Jenna and are, it seems, rather starstruck. Clearly, they're looking at it with clearer heads than I am, and than some other models are.

I do think it's unfair to categorize the models who attack Jenna as bitchy and jealous--they're terrified, which is also not rational. So maybe go easier on them instead of just stampeding to defend someone who doesn't need defending?