U.K. Lawmakers Call for Ban on Camming

[NaomiNSFW]

Coming from the nanny state itself.
UK lawmakers are calling for a ban on camming sites altogether. Calling it "e-pimping" which is a pretty disgusting way of describing it.
These people have no idea what they're doing and there needs to be some kind of opposition against it or it will become a reality. Most politicians in the UK have absolutely no clue what they're doing when it comes to these kind of laws. They don't seek to help women or those who are the actual victims of exploitation they seek to harm those who make a living from NSFW content.

As stated at the end of the AVN article:

A 2018 study developed by researchers from the University of Leicester, in England, found that online sex work, including camming, makes the profession safer than in-person rendezvous.

Which seems obvious to literally anyone who works as an independent cam performer.

U.K. Lawmakers Call for Ban on Camming, 'E-pimping'

A new report released Tuesday by anti-pornography and anti-sex work parliamentarians calls for the total prohibition and criminalization of online camming.

avn.com

 

[Vixxen81]

Well, there it is. I've been waiting for this. Keep us updated, please. Because whatever the UK ends up banning is what the US follows through with as well.

 

[ts_cammer98]

This is insanity!

 

[MarieElise]

Grrr, I'm pissed!

Trust the UK government to try and get in the way of true love!
I don't get it, most of the guys working to pass this shit, are the very ones who need us the most (??????).
Good luck dealing with your boring Vanilla existence without an online outlet...

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Good luck dealing with your boring Vanilla existence without an online outlet...

I swear nobody in the UK actually wants this as well. I don't know what their end goal is here.

How do u even vote against something like this without getting attacked for it as well. Anyone saying "No I wont vote for the sexual exploitation bill" (Yes it's offensive that they called it that) is going to get thrown under the bus. The only way I can see it is they're exploiting peoples limited understanding of the topic to push their own agenda.

 

[MarieElise]

The only way I can see it is they're exploiting peoples limited understanding of the topic to push their own agenda.

Yep, that's how they do all this stuff.
Divorce rates are gonna go up; & everyone's gonna be back at the glory hole spreading germs again.
It's very stupid.

 

[ts_cammer98]

The only way I can see it is they're exploiting peoples limited understanding of the topic to push their own agenda.

That! It makes you look very pro child safety and gets you elected. It's not even anti exploitation, its just anti porn is the way I see it. Somehow this will lead to more unsafe and dangerous outcomes for people.

 

[Vixxen81]

I swear nobody in the UK actually wants this as well. I don't know what their end goal is here.

How do u even vote against something like this without getting attacked for it as well. Anyone saying "No I wont vote for the sexual exploitation bill" (Yes it's offensive that they called it that) is going to get throw under the bus. The only way I can see it is they're exploiting peoples limited understanding of the topic to push their own agenda.

One of the biggest problems I have with this is that they should be going after the exploiters not the people who are legitimately happy doing this. Ban studios. Do more aggressive takedowns of reposting sites. Do better about making sure images can't be shared without having age verification in place...there is a way to do this and have us protected without condemning us to life without this possibility. So many of us are lifers at this point, so what just drive it underground and make it SUPER unsafe?

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Divorce rates are gonna go up; & everyone's gonna be back at the glory hole spreading germs again.

It wont stop people viewing pornography. Those who want to watch cam performers will probably pay via crypto for paid sites or just use a VPN for free sites.
They don't acknowledge the ways in which people can easily circumvent these laws and in the process live in an alternate reality in which they don't exist.

All they're doing is punishing sex workers and boosting the popularity of blockchain currencies. That's it.

 

[MarieElise]

It wont stop people viewing pornography. Those who want to watch cam performers will probably pay via crypto for paid sites or just use a VPN for free sites.
They don't acknowledge the ways in which people can easily circumvent these laws and in the process live in an alternate reality in which they don't exist.

All they're doing is punishing sex workers and boosting the popularity of blockchain currencies. That's it.

Yeah, I guess I'm worrying about the worst-case scenario; if it passes and the US and a lot of other countries follow through too. There's always gonna be ways around it for those of us who want to do it.

But it's frustrating, because I want to report the income legally, for mortgages and such. Like I actually want to pay my taxes, and have it all be above board.

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Yeah, I guess I'm worrying about the worst-case scenario; if it passes and the US and a lot of other countries follow through too. There's always gonna be ways around it for those of us who want to do it.

But it's frustrating, because people I want to report the income legally, for mortgages and such. Like I actually want to pay my taxes, and have it all be above board.

Oh no it will only be easy for the viewers of pornography. It's going to be very difficult for actual performers. For many people it will probably be easier to move to another country. The alternative is to risk imprisonment.

 

[ts_cammer98]

Oh no it will only be easy for the viewers of pornography. It's going to be very difficult for actual performers. For many people it will probably be easier to move to another country. The alternative is to risk imprisonment.

Not to mention it will send viewers to places where there is no age verification, and hosts pics/videos of people that actually are being exploited or harmed.

 

[ts_cammer98]

Silk Road and Pirate's Bay are like common household names lol to think people won't find porn is insane! Its never safer underground.

 

[MarieElise]

Silk Road and Pirate's Bay are like common household names lol to think people won't find porn is insane! Its never safer underground.

Yeah, the DW is a fucking nightmare come to life.

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Silk Road and Pirate's Bay are like common household names lol to think people won't find porn is insane! Its never safer underground.

You rarely hear about the risks of the dark web in relation to age verification laws or the outright banning of certain kinds of pornography.
If they pretend it doesn't exist they can wipe their hands clean and pretend they did a good job.

In many ways the "official" statistics will reinforce their own beliefs and I genuinely think that's all they care about. It's delusional.

 

[MarieElise]

Let's say it did get made illegal, though, the US gov can't even keep up with all the online CSAM, how are they going to keep up with that, plus us going underground? Yes, we'd technically be "risking imprisonment", but so was smoking pot here (on the West Coast, before it was made legal). And few people ever got actually imprisoned for less than an ounce. Idk, maybe I'm too much of a risk taker, but how could they even adequately police that, when they struggle to even keep up with online pedophiles? Where would those funds and jail space come from?

Where I live, you call 911, and no one shows up for 3 hours.

Spoiler: predator talk

They can't even keep guys in who end up killing their wives more than a night or two here.

2 or 3 years ago here, there was a guy known to everyone in my neighborhood who always hung out at the same store. He regularly peeped in kids' windows, and everyone knew who he was. The police got repeated reports about him, yet he ended up being taken down by a Dad, in a citizen's arrest type situation. Because law enforcement can't keep up with it all. And by that point he'd already been caught trying to climb in a kid's window and chased off, yet again. Not by cops, by the people in the neighborhood.

 

[Vixxen81]

Let's say it did get made illegal, though, the US gov can't even keep up with all the online CSAM, how are they going to keep up with that, plus us going underground? Yes, we'd technically be "risking imprisonment", but so was smoking pot here (on the West Coast, before it was made legal). And few people ever got actually imprisoned for less than an ounce. Idk, maybe I'm too much of a risk taker, but how could they even adequately police that, when they struggle to even keep up with online pedophiles? Where would those funds and jail space come from?

Where I live, you call 911, and no one shows up for 3 hours.

Spoiler: predator talk

They can't even keep guys in who end up killing their wives more than a night or two here.
2 or 3 years ago here, there was a guy known to everyone in my neighborhood who always hung out at the same store. He regularly peeped in kids' windows, and everyone knew who he was. The police got repeated reports about him, yet he ended up being taken down by a Dad, in a citizen's arrest type situation. Because law enforcement
can't keep up with it all.

I had several tippers from Sweden before they made it illegal to tip live performances and I haven't seen a single one of those users since.

 

[MarieElise]

I had several tippers from Sweden before they made it illegal to tip live performances and I haven't seen a single one of those users since.

You're the 2nd model who I've heard say that, specifically, about their Swedish fan base.

 

[ts_cammer98]

Let's say it did get made illegal, though, the US gov can't even keep up with all the online CSAM, how are they going to keep up with that, plus us going underground? Yes, we'd technically be "risking imprisonment", but so was smoking pot here (on the West Coast, before it was made legal). And few people ever got actually imprisoned for less than an ounce. Idk, maybe I'm too much of a risk taker, but how could they even adequately police that, when they struggle to even keep up with online pedophiles? Where would those funds and jail space come from?

Where I live, you call 911, and no one shows up for 3 hours.

Spoiler: predator talk

They can't even keep guys in who end up killing their wives more than a night or two here.
2 or 3 years ago here, there was a guy known to everyone in my neighborhood who always hung out at the same store. He regularly peeped in kids' windows, and everyone knew who he was. The police got repeated reports about him, yet he ended up being taken down by a Dad, in a citizen's arrest type situation. Because law enforcement can't keep up with it all. And by that poimnt he'd already been caught trying to climb in a kid's window and chased off, yet again.

Yes! lol I would totally be going underground right with it! Sadly though, that's where all the really fucked up shit circulates and it will be sad to see people brush up against that stuff more and get familiar with procuring it and creating more demand for it.

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Let's say it did get made illegal, though, the US gov can't even keep up with all the online CSAM, how are they going to keep up with that, plus us going underground? Yes, we'd technically be "risking imprisonment", but so was smoking pot here (on the West Coast, before it was made legal). And few people ever got actually imprisoned for less than an ounce. Idk, maybe I'm too much of a risk taker, but how could they even adequately police that, when they struggle to even keep up with online pedophiles? Where would those funds and jail space come from?

Where I live, you call 911, and no one shows up for 3 hours.

Spoiler: predator talk

They can't even keep guys in who end up killing their wives more than a night or two here.
2 or 3 years ago here, there was a guy known to everyone in my neighborhood who always hung out at the same store. He regularly peeped in kids' windows, and everyone knew who he was. The police got repeated reports about him, yet he ended up being taken down by a Dad, in a citizen's arrest type situation. Because law enforcement can't keep up with it all. And by that point he'd already been caught trying to climb in a kid's window and chased off, yet again. Not by cops, by the people in the neighborhood.

Content Warning: Transphobia UK, Prisons
This is probably something that will get overlooked but if you're a transgender woman in the UK there are additional risks. You will get placed in a male prison and there is no guarantee on access to medication for most people as the most common route is not going through the NHS.

 

[ts_cammer98]

Content Warning: Transphobia UK, Prisons
This is probably something that will get overlooked but if you're transgender woman in the UK you absolutely cannot risk imprisonment. You will get placed in a male prison and there is no guarantee on access to medication for most people as the most common route is not going through the NHS.

Just makes me worth more lol

 

[KingMarti]

I swear nobody in the UK actually wants this as well. I don't know what their end goal is here.

How do u even vote against something like this without getting attacked for it as well. Anyone saying "No I wont vote for the sexual exploitation bill" (Yes it's offensive that they called it that) is going to get thrown under the bus. The only way I can see it is they're exploiting peoples limited understanding of the topic to push their own agenda.

what is in the other hand? when they run policies like this its almost always a misdirection away from something that is going to be fucking a lot of people over.

 

[MarieElise]

Content Warning: Transphobia UK, Prisons
This is probably something that will get overlooked but if you're transgender woman in the UK you absolutely cannot risk imprisonment. You will get thrown into a male prison and there are no guarantee’s on access to medication as far as I know if you're not getting it through the NHS and that's the case for most trans people I know.

Good point to highlight.

Spoiler: Prison violence talk

It is the same here in the US. I just finished reading a study the other day about the frequency of assaults in male prisons, and the study found that anyone Trans is something like 90% more likely to be subjected to repeat S assaults in male prisons. It also found that anyone who was smaller or even perceived in any way as "effeminate" was too. And I also learned (in a different study) that actually requesting special protection doesn't guarantee you'll get it; there is frequently a shortage of space in the protective units. Then even if a prisoner requests protection, and it's granted (ie they go to a special pop unit or whatever it's called), just as much violence goes on in there anyway. So I see what you are saying. Sorry to overlook that in my response. I would absolutely never take even the smallest risk of going to a male Prison.

 

[NaomiNSFW]

what is in the other hand? when they run policies like this its almost always a misdirection away from something that is going to be fucking a lot of people over.

Oh 100%. A small minority of politicians will actually believe these laws are going to be a net-benefit. The vast majority will agree with it because it benefits them or because it's bad optics to oppose it. The rest will wonder wtf is going on.

That's kind of the labour party anyway though. They did the same thing with Digital ID. It was such a disastrous policy the first thing Andy Burnham said before getting into office was he would be scrapping it. 2.5 million votes against it from a petition.

 

[KingMarti]

Oh 100%. A small minority of politicians will actually believe these laws are going to be a net-benefit. The vast majority will agree with it because it benefits them or because it's bad optics to oppose it. The rest will wonder wtf is going on.

That's kind of the labour party anyway though. They did the same thing with Digital ID. It was such a disastrous policy the first thing Andy Burnham said before getting into office was he would be scrapping it. 2.5 million votes against it from a petition.

Did digital ID go through? I remember the big fuss about it.... then nothing.

 

[NaomiNSFW]

Did digital ID go through? I remember the big fuss about it.... then nothing.

Nah it was so unpopular they had to back down. 2.5 million people voted against it and members of their own party publicly opposed it.

 

[Schnauzevoll]

The swedes already found a way ‚i heard‘ but yeah. This is annoying