I know it's a scam, but I want your opinion...

[MarieElise]

Another thought re; studios, these days there are lots of virtual studios too. Lol, sorry to make things even more confusing.

So basically, a cam model can be camming from where they live, but still be a studio model, because they are getting payment through a virtual studio. There are lots of different types of virtual studios.
Some are purely to get a model daily pay, rather than having to wait for bi-weekly or monthly.
With a few relatively benign rules, and maybe a 5% cut off the top or so.

Others step in with more rules etc, and may even send equipment to the model, such as a laptop and camera, from what I've heard. I doubt those types take a small 5% though.
Probably a lot more.
There are some virtual studios that don't do anything, take a huge percentage, and lock the model's accounts in (on the main sites, so they can't leave and go solo easily). Similar to the physical studios.
The last few years, a lot of live cam sites have switched over to daily pay, but many of the clip sites haven't, and the oldest fetish clip site still pays out once a month, which is insane.
And I don't mind stating that publicly, because anyone with a reasonable mind would have to agree that once monthly pay is insane.

 

[HeadyRaven]

What ever happen to going to a camsite for masturbating and that's all?

This is a now several years old but I'll bet it hasn't changed: An article about cam modeling on a popular news site talked about member surveys on StripChat and LiveJasmin. I remember something that stood out to me was that more than 40% of StripChat members said they believe they have a close emotional connection to at least one model.

For LiveJasmin, there was more, so I dug around to find it again: "A 2020 study involving clients of the cam site LiveJasmin found that 65% of participants reported having experienced an emotional bond with a model, and 60% reported having a current emotional bond with at least one cam model." "Over half of the members (51.6%) believed that the models genuinely cared about their lives outside the platform." "64% of participants reported that their interactions with models at least somewhat fulfilled their emotional needs."

What do models think of this? With hundreds of thousands or even millions of cam site users, and you all (models) each interacting with so many clients, do these numbers make sense? How much of this is what the member wants to believe - versus reality?

If 100% of guys were going to sites purely for a jerkoff, and not looking to have "emotional needs met," I think it would be almost impossible for scams to happen.

 

[stormythunder]

This is a now several years old but I'll bet it hasn't changed: An article about cam modeling on a popular news site talked about member surveys on StripChat and LiveJasmin. I remember something that stood out to me was that more than 40% of StripChat members said they believe they have a close emotional connection to at least one model.

For LiveJasmin, there was more, so I dug around to find it again: "A 2020 study involving clients of the cam site LiveJasmin found that 65% of participants reported having experienced an emotional bond with a model, and 60% reported having a current emotional bond with at least one cam model." "Over half of the members (51.6%) believed that the models genuinely cared about their lives outside the platform." "64% of participants reported that their interactions with models at least somewhat fulfilled their emotional needs."

What do models think of this? With hundreds of thousands or even millions of cam site users, and you all (models) each interacting with so many clients, do these numbers make sense? How much of this is what the member wants to believe - versus reality?

If 100% of guys were going to sites purely for a jerkoff, and not looking to have "emotional needs met," I think it would be almost impossible for scams to happen.

I wanna know what the numbers are for SFW influencer sites like YouTube and twitch. Like I wonder if this is more of a parasocial relationship thing or if the fact that I get nakey for my viewers changes anything lol.

The fact that so many cam site ads present themselves as dating site ads is a huge issue to me. Thats false advertising all on its own.

 

[shrekkkyy]

This is a now several years old but I'll bet it hasn't changed: An article about cam modeling on a popular news site talked about member surveys on StripChat and LiveJasmin. I remember something that stood out to me was that more than 40% of StripChat members said they believe they have a close emotional connection to at least one model.

For LiveJasmin, there was more, so I dug around to find it again: "A 2020 study involving clients of the cam site LiveJasmin found that 65% of participants reported having experienced an emotional bond with a model, and 60% reported having a current emotional bond with at least one cam model." "Over half of the members (51.6%) believed that the models genuinely cared about their lives outside the platform." "64% of participants reported that their interactions with models at least somewhat fulfilled their emotional needs."

What do models think of this? With hundreds of thousands or even millions of cam site users, and you all (models) each interacting with so many clients, do these numbers make sense? How much of this is what the member wants to believe - versus reality?

If 100% of guys were going to sites purely for a jerkoff, and not looking to have "emotional needs met," I think it would be almost impossible for scams to happen.

Goodness, I didn't realize it could be that high. I know it would be high but dang that's a lot. Every model that tells me I'm special, I kinda just shrug it off. But I guess with this type of stuff I can see how easy it is to "Fall in love". Models make you feel good and that's probably the biggest thing that keeps people coming back. You go in for the naked lady and stay for the emotional connection. I think it was the back tattoo thread(great read btw). Where a model suggested to cut off all token giving, if the model stays with you, it's a real connection.

 

[shrekkkyy]

I wanna know what the numbers are for SFW influencer sites like YouTube and twitch. Like I wonder if this is more of a parasocial relationship thing or if the fact that I get nakey for my viewers changes anything lol.

The fact that so many cam site ads present themselves as dating site ads is a huge issue to me. Thats false advertising all on its own.

True, every ad on porn sites says hot dates or whatever. They definitely market that way.

 

[shrekkkyy]

Good grief.....

The friends PayPal email she gave me had studio in it.... Lol. So ya. I'm not going there, but it's a little wild what she is going for.

 

[shrekkkyy]

I know you’re not going to go the PayPal route from what you’ve posted here, but just wanted to throw this out there (in case anyone stumbles across this thread and thinks it’s a good idea) that doing that could also put the member’s account at risk too. Paying for “digital sex services” is a huge TOS violation that they don’t take lightly, and even just sending money to a cam model/sex worker as a tip or to help out can jeopardize your account as well as hers.



It’s definitely not that easy, and unfortunately because of the economy and housing crisis, rent has gone up almost everywhere. Even where I used to live, rent has became outrageous. I normally don’t like to post actual numbers, but just for a bit of context, ten-ish years ago my rent was $850 with ALL utilities included for a very small one bedroom apartment in a quiet area of a very well known tourist city. I’m still friends with one of my old neighbors from that place who still lives there and he’s told me that the rent is now $1,250 with no utilities included. That’s more than a 50% increase. And even then, that’s a huge steal for that city. In most bigger cities these days, you can’t find any rentals whatsoever at that price.

I don’t live in California, but the state I live in now is relatively expensive compared to a lot of other states. But even though the cost of living is higher, it’s offset by the quality of life here. I personally would rather live somewhere that is nice, has plenty of things to do, good transportation and close to everything I need/want, etc than move to a more rural area where I’d pay less but be unhappy.

Ya I get it. There are reasons people stay in high rent places. I think it's insane our country has gotten this way. I've moved out of the country now so thankfully I don't have to deal with it to much. Just pay my astronomical taxes lol. But awhile before I left the country I bought a house where I moved for under 300k, that where I lived in Cali, would have cost me 2 mil. It's just insane what cost of living is in socal these days.

 

[MarieElise]

This is a now several years old but I'll bet it hasn't changed: An article about cam modeling on a popular news site talked about member surveys on StripChat and LiveJasmin. I remember something that stood out to me was that more than 40% of StripChat members said they believe they have a close emotional connection to at least one model.

For LiveJasmin, there was more, so I dug around to find it again: "A 2020 study involving clients of the cam site LiveJasmin found that 65% of participants reported having experienced an emotional bond with a model, and 60% reported having a current emotional bond with at least one cam model." "Over half of the members (51.6%) believed that the models genuinely cared about their lives outside the platform." "64% of participants reported that their interactions with models at least somewhat fulfilled their emotional needs."

What do models think of this? With hundreds of thousands or even millions of cam site users, and you all (models) each interacting with so many clients, do these numbers make sense? How much of this is what the member wants to believe - versus reality?

If 100% of guys were going to sites purely for a jerkoff, and not looking to have "emotional needs met," I think it would be almost impossible for scams to happen.

This is super interesting. Tbh I actually do feel like I have a close emotional connection to some of the guys, but the numbers definitely don't correlate. Id probably say I feel a close emotional connection with 5% tops, and an emotional connection that is not "close" with 10 - 15 %.

Maybe this is just a me thing. But I can absolutely have close emotional connections with more than one person at a time. I can't have close emotional connections with more than a handful of people at a time though. Not in this way. So the numbers of men who think that they have a close emotional connection. And the numbers who actually do, are very different. If you define close emotional connection, by both parties agreeing that it is, in fact, a close emotional connection.

Sometimes I fear that the misunderstanding is that people think you can only have a close emotional connection with one man at a time. And although I sometimes feel like that would be nice (bc draaaaaaama!) unfortunately that is not the reality. I know I can care very deeply for more than one person at a time. However I cannot care very deeply for hundreds of people at a time. So I do think there is a huge difference in the numbers of men who are perceiving it as "close", and those who are actually sharing that perception with the model.

ETA; okay hold on a second there. The writing that you quoted said nothing about a "close emotional connection". Those are the words that you are putting on it. It merely said an emotional bond. An emotional bond is a very loose defined construct. I would say that I have an emotional bond with every single person I see in this context, and many of them love how I make their dick feel (lol to be crudely blunt). I love their money. And love is an emotion. I'd be very careful how you interpret the language of those things. A man saying that his emotional needs are fulfilled by seeing a cam model, does not mean that it is both ways, or that he even thinks it is both ways. He could merely be wanting to feel like a big man that is protecting or providing for a woman out there, or making a woman out there have an orgasm.

That does not mean that there is a two-way street with that, or that the woman is having any emotional connection to that, whatsoever. So the language that you quoted does not really indicate a whole lot. Sorry I had to reread your post to kind of get that. I also think that what that study is defining as an emotional bond, is probably more of an ego feeding thing. And I don't mean that in a negative way. Although, I do conceed, that a lot of times, when people use the word "ego" it is in a negative way. Many men and women are emotional about their ego needs. But that's 100% different from having a "close emotional connection".

 

[MarieElise]

Sorry to DP (edit time ran out). You almost had me there with that one Heady Raven. "Close emotional connection"; close emotional pile of horse shite hahahahaha . Good one.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

For giggles, I looked up the apartment I moved out of 9 years ago. When I left, they raised my rent from $800 to $1100 over a 5 year period. The last time a significant increase because a new property management company took over and they wanted to turn key apartments and charge new market rates for where I was.

The apartment was:
- 840 square feet
- 1 bedroom
- washer/dryer connections
- overlooked the pool and clubhouse
- third floor unit

That apartment, today, is $2198 a month.

Mine is about the comparable I’m at $2750 w a parking spot and free internet

 

[Marceline]

This is a now several years old but I'll bet it hasn't changed: An article about cam modeling on a popular news site talked about member surveys on StripChat and LiveJasmin. I remember something that stood out to me was that more than 40% of StripChat members said they believe they have a close emotional connection to at least one model.

For LiveJasmin, there was more, so I dug around to find it again: "A 2020 study involving clients of the cam site LiveJasmin found that 65% of participants reported having experienced an emotional bond with a model, and 60% reported having a current emotional bond with at least one cam model." "Over half of the members (51.6%) believed that the models genuinely cared about their lives outside the platform." "64% of participants reported that their interactions with models at least somewhat fulfilled their emotional needs."

What do models think of this? With hundreds of thousands or even millions of cam site users, and you all (models) each interacting with so many clients, do these numbers make sense? How much of this is what the member wants to believe - versus reality?

If 100% of guys were going to sites purely for a jerkoff, and not looking to have "emotional needs met," I think it would be almost impossible for scams to happen.

I think the numbers make sense when you think about how the survey was probably conducted and the members who would choose to participate in an optional survey of that nature. Members who go to cam sites simply to jerk off would be less likely to answer a survey like that, while members who go to cam sites for human interaction rather than to just purchase sexual services would be more likely to answer.

I don’t think either is wrong, btw. We joke a lot or make comments about how members should just stick to jerking off, but it’s not unusual for people to go to sex workers just for the human interaction of it. Hell, that has been happening since the beginning of civilization. Well before the internet people would hire/go to sex workers just to have someone to talk to. As humans, we crave and need human interaction. For someone who has an isolating job, is socially awkward or generally doesn’t have many people they can talk to in their daily life, it’s not weird for them to want to go to a cam model, escort or dancer just so they can have a conversation. It can be unhealthy, but I don’t think it’s inherently so. It only becomes unhealthy when the person attaches more meaning to it than what it really is, when it starts to affect their mental health negatively, or they become obsessed and/or delusional. However, I think for a lot of regular people, hanging out with a cam model while she’s streaming and chatting, joking around and/or purchasing sexual shows can actually be an enriching experience in their life. It can make someone’s rough day a little better. It can help people become more confident talking to pretty women or just others in general.

It’s also not inherently unhealthy or unnatural for members and models to form some sort of bond or connection. In fact, I’d say it would be unnatural to not care for someone a bit if you’re either a member who visits a model often over a extended period of time or a model who has a member who is kind, respectful and comes to your chat a lot. I cared about all of my regulars in the sense that I wished the best for them, cared about their general wellbeing and took an interest in the interesting things happening with them. But again, it can be unhealthy depending on how the person perceives these connections and acts on them.

I mean, I had a handful of regulars who would show up to most of my shows when I was still live camming. My shows were always more of a naked Twitch type hangout stream rather than overtly sexual. So, 85% of the time when I was doing a public show, I’d just be talking and joking around. The people who were drawn to my shows were people who also enjoyed just hanging out and talking with everyone and had similar interests and humor to me. I’d talk with some of them offsite about normal stuff. I had one regular who would also send me pretty pictures of the scenery when he would go on hikes. I was still drinking at the time, so I had one regular who we’d snap pictures to each other just with a “Cheers!” when either one of us was out somewhere taking shots. They also knew some of my personal life and were always very respectful. For example, I was in a serious long term relationship with my ex when I first started camming. I was always straight up about the fact that I was in a relationship (some models aren’t, and that’s absolutely valid too). There was one occasion where some random person came into my room and asked if I was single. I said no, and this random was like “Then why don’t you make b/g content? It’s weird that you don’t”. My regulars jumped in and defended my boyfriend, saying how “maybe some men don’t want to be on the internet like that” and stuff of that sort. When my ex and I eventually broke up, I was still live streaming and it was obvious how upset I was. My regulars were extremely kind and understanding, and none of them ever pushed my boundaries or tried to take advantage of the situation. I’m actually a pretty caring person, contrary to what some people may think of me haha, and for me it would be very hard to not care about people like that.

The biggest thing of note is that these bonds formed naturally. Sure, regulars like mine are going to camsites for more than just sex based services, they’re looking for that human interaction to chat and feel like part of a community or to stave off some loneliness. But, they’re not forcing it. The issues come about when people are specifically looking for romantic relationships or even meaningful friends and treating camsites like they’re a digital catalogue to find these relationships. It’s like going up to a random person and saying “Hey! Let’s be besties!” It doesn’t work that way and is usually indicative of some deeper issues at play.

 

[HeadyRaven]

I wanna know what the numbers are for SFW influencer sites like YouTube and twitch. Like I wonder if this is more of a parasocial relationship thing or if the fact that I get nakey for my viewers changes anything lol.

The fact that so many cam site ads present themselves as dating site ads is a huge issue to me. Thats false advertising all on its own.

Is this true? I guess I've never seen the ads, just the sites. lol I mean, I guess maybe I've seen where that say phrases like, "Find a tonight tonight!" - but do men take that seriously? Or even worse, they think it means it's a place to find a girlfriend???

 

[HeadyRaven]

Sorry to DP (edit time ran out). You almost had me there with that one Heady Raven. "Close emotional connection"; close emotional pile of horse shite hahahahaha . Good one.

I didn't have the StripChat article in front of me but is "emotional bond" really that different than close connection? Maybe, but it's still a lot more than going to a site to just jack off.

The LiveJasmin results, those I found and copied exactly... In those results, I would have to question how more than 50% of clients think that a model actually cares about their lives outside of the site. I mean seriously...out of hundreds of thousands of clients you may have interacted with, how many do you even think about their lives outside of the site? Let alone care about them?

This is where I think the parasocial relationship stuff comes in. (And probably also some decent percentage of lonely or screwed up dudes in the mix too)

Although as M said, the members who would actually answer the survey are probably a unique subset.

 

[HeadyRaven]

or that he even thinks it is both ways. He could merely be wanting to feel like a big man that is protecting or providing for a woman out there, or making a woman out there have an orgasm.

I would love to see a survey that broke this kind of stuff down like this.

Going on a tangent (but slightly related): I've now over time witnessed five or six examples of where a member plants himself in a model's room (obviously someone with a situation allowing for them to be there a lot), and starts to assume the familiar "white knight" role... might or might not be an actual mod or knight... but just a member who has appointed himself to that role. Incessant compliments of the model in the public chat, chiding other guests for not acting in sufficiently supportive or gentlemanly ways, a compulsive need to "defend" the model against any perceived slight... jealous kinds of behaviors with respect to other members, just a kind of fawning and almost obsessed. It seems this is a "type" (I'm surmising because the behavior is always so similar!). I'm guessing all models have experienced such members.

I realize this is a tangent but: What is THAT all about? (I ask because there is now one of these in the room of a model I've known a long time. He showed up somewhat recently and assumed this role and the behaviors I described, and she has made comments to me about it in PMs... nothing nasty but just like, "Uh oh, Jealous Joe is at it again" or even commenting that if he posts one more gushing compliment she's going to scream. I assume this is seen as mostly harmless (from model's perspective) but it's annoying as fuck to other members.

And is this a type of guy who is forming a close emotional bond? I bet yes -- and I bet in his mind, he thinks it is reciprocal.

Sorry for the digression! lol

 

[HeadyRaven]

Is this true? I guess I've never seen the ads, just the sites. lol I mean, I guess maybe I've seen where that say phrases like, "Find a DATE tonight!" - but do men take that seriously? Or even worse, they think it means it's a place to find a girlfriend???

 

[MarieElise]

I didn't have the StripChat article in front of me but is "emotional bond" really that different than close connection? Maybe, but it's still a lot more than going to a site to just jack off.

Not to me. I do think it's different from just jerking it, but to me, those 3 things are all very different from each other.
An emotional bond is very, very different to me, compared with a close emotional connection.

The LiveJasmin results, those I found and copied exactly... In those results, I would have to question how more than 50% of clients think that a model actually cares about their lives outside of the site. I mean seriously...out of hundreds of thousands of clients you may have interacted with, how many do you even think about their lives outside of the site? Let alone care about them?

I care about all the men's lives, outside of our time, who have been long-term Regs. That's just human. However, I would not say I have a close emotional connection with as many.
Many of them regularly check in with me about their various life stressors, and I do genuinely care. I just don't care with people I only just met, who I haven't established trust and a secure long term pattern with.
I think that thinking we don't care, at all, is too far the other extreme, too far cynical.

Confusing caring, with caring in a monogomous and romantic way is an error which a lot of people make as well, but I digress.

Although as M said, the members who would actually answer the survey are probably a unique subset.

Yeah, she's right about that.
To be real, the demographic of men here at this forum are also not your average customer.
A lot of these guys don't have the time or motivation to participate in this kind of discussion.

As far as the place to find a girlfriend, yes. People think a lot of unrealistic things. People confuse lust or attachment with love all of the time. I mean, think about it, how would you define love? That's actually a really complicated question. And of course, as we see all the time with DV people, frequently confuse control and attachment with love too. A lot of people don't understand the level of real work that goes in to forming a monogomous or somewhat monogomous romantic relationship with another human being, because they don't have good examples of them growing up, and what we see in movies is usually really unrealistic. The amount of work and vulnerability it takes, when people actually try it, isn't something a lot of people are capable of, so they confuse other things for love/ or having a "close emotional connection".

People who value lust and visual physical attributes very highly, which isn't what everyone prioritizes, but those who do, want find someone who is a certain way physically. When you actually put in the work, and start dating people, having real conversations, you really don't know what is under the clothes. There are a lot ofa lot of people who want to know that first. That's why a certain "group" of people is so vulnerable to these "romantic" attachments to cam models. In my opinion. I hate to be so crude but you can shop around for the type of tits you want, the type of ass, the type of pussy. Like, you can't do that in everyday life. So to some people that's so much dopamine and seratonin and all the good brain chemicals, that it's amazing! And on a neurochemical, feeling good level, it is just so much, it overwhelms them and convinces them of questionable conclusions.

 

[shrekkkyy]

I did not see this thread going this way, but I am all for it.

From my perspective, I've been on cam sites on and off for 10 years. 100% I would join a room was because I thought a model was sexual or attractive. 100s of models I've followed or tipped, about 30 of them were strictly a sexual attraction, and thats all it ever was. I would keep coming back for the random flirting and sexual stuff like we should. I've probably only felt a close emotional connection to 6 or so, and those were ones it was more fun to talk to than play with sexually. It became something else, and I no longer cared about the nudity and sex stuff. It was more of a friendship. And out of those it was probably only reciprocated 3 times. Where we would chat offline as well as online. And actually talk about personal things. Those models are the ones I've stayed with the longest, and whenever I would take a hiatus from the sites they would still send me messages to see how I was. A few of the ones that I thought was an emotional connection dropped it whenever I would take a break and the tokens would stop coming there way. It's the easiest way for a member to know if he connection is reciprocated. But at no point did I ever feel more than that close connection. I've never thought I loved one or thought there was more to it. I knew where I stood, and would I call a couple friends, sure. But do I think they would ever come to help if I called, no. But that connection was built over time and never instant, and usually it revolved around some kind of inside joke or hobby. One model had kids, and we would chat a lot about our children, another it was the random kinks some members had. And the last note I would say that if any those close emotional connections wanted to meet and hang out irl, I would probably say sure. But never once would expect that to happen or think that any would ever want that.

I'm not sure what that article considers the emotional connection, but now I need to find it and to some research, because I'm curious as hell. Lol.

 

[stormythunder]

Is this true? I guess I've never seen the ads, just the sites. lol I mean, I guess maybe I've seen where that say phrases like, "Find a tonight tonight!" - but do men take that seriously? Or even worse, they think it means it's a place to find a girlfriend???

I think some of the older userbase would be more likely to fall for it than the younger ones. But yeah I mostly see the dating site style ads on pornhub. It'll be like an opening thing that says "she is in *local city* and wants you tonight!" Or itll be like "hot milfs near you!" And then you click on it and its just camsoda or stripchat lol. But there are others that simply advertise a live stream and advertise it as a live chat service so they're not all bad.

 

[stormythunder]

here is a similar survey with viewers of SFW livestream content. It might only matter to me but I wanted to know if the sexual/private show aspect was a gateway to a more intense emotional connection and I think it may be.

 

[MarieElise]

I did not see this thread going this way, but I am all for it.

From my perspective, I've been on cam sites on and off for 10 years. 100% I would join a room was because I thought a model was sexual or attractive. 100s of models I've followed or tipped, about 30 of them were strictly a sexual attraction, and thats all it ever was. I would keep coming back for the random flirting and sexual stuff like we should. I've probably only felt a close emotional connection to 6 or so, and those were ones it was more fun to talk to than play with sexually. It became something else, and I no longer cared about the nudity and sex stuff.

This is an attitude I don't get. The way I'm reading this and understanding it, is; either or. Angel or whore. You can't have both with someone? People that think like this scare me.

It was more of a friendship. And out of those it was probably only reciprocated 3 times. Where we would chat offline as well as online. And actually talk about personal things. Those models are the ones I've stayed with the longest, and whenever I would take a hiatus from the sites they would still send me messages to see how I was. A few of the ones that I thought was an emotional connection dropped it whenever I would take a break and the tokens would stop coming there way. It's the easiest way for a member to know if he connection is reciprocated.

Not true. I don't follow up when people leave, because I'm respecting their space. And I don't like goodbyes. In no way means I stopped caring imo that's a really unfair way to judge a person, but I have come to expect this from people.

But at no point did I ever feel more than that close connection. I've never thought I loved one or thought there was more to it. I knew where I stood, and would I call a couple friends, sure. But do I think they would ever come to help if I called, no. But that connection was built over time and never instant, and usually it revolved around some kind of inside joke or hobby. One model had kids, and we would chat a lot about our childre, another it was the random kinks some members had. And the last note I would say that if any those close emotional connections wanted to meet and hang out irl, I would probably say sure. But never once would expect that to happen or think that any would ever want that.

I'm not sure what that article considers the emotional connection, but now I need to find it and to some research, because I'm curious as hell. Lol.

I don't want to seem like I'm picking your thinking apart. So I'll stop there, but you certainly have some "interesting" ways of looking at things. Not trying to be mean. Trying to point out errors, in the hopes people will correct them (and introspect on a deeper honest level) is kinda my thing. Anyways this probably won't get taken well, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I think it was the back tattoo thread(great read btw). Where a model suggested to cut off all token giving, if the model stays with you, it's a real connection.

*Sigh* Yeah, so before other men read this and misinterpret it…the model in that thread wasn’t telling y’all to just stop tipping a model, and just camp out in her free chat. If you’re a member logged in and enjoying her room, of course you should tip something.

I’m sure the model in the other thread was referring to situations where these guys keep referring to models as their “girlfriend.” I think the poster was saying that a girlfriend will talk to you outside of these adult sites without you having to tip for those interactions. A girlfriend will talk to you over the phone, and y’all will make REAL plans to spend time together in person.

 

[shrekkkyy]

This is an attitude I don't get. The way I'm reading this and understanding it, is; either or. Angel or whore. You can't have both with someone? People that think like this scare me.

Not true. I don't follow up when people leave, because I'm respecting their space. And I don't like goodbyes. In no way means I stopped caring imo that's a really unfair way to judge a person, but I have come to expect this from people.

I don't want to seem like I'm picking your thinking apart. So I'll stop there, but you certainly have some "interesting" ways of looking at things. Not trying to be mean. Trying to point out errors, in the hopes people will correct them (and introspect on a deeper honest level) is kinda my thing. Anyways this probably won't get taken well, so I'll leave it at that.

Ya. I don't always word things the best. It's true. I don't mean to be so decisive "angel or whore". But it's my opinion that sometimes the user gets to a point with a model where the interaction is more friendly and not about the sexual. It has happened to me where, while I always enjoy the sexual and that's why I'm on sites like this, I don't go to that model for that. I go for the personality and the Convo, or just the general vibe of the room. Some models have good vibes in there room and lots of members have conversations in general chat and the model chimes in and its just a great social interaction. It becomes more friendly. And we all tip for stuff, and just have great Saturday night.. or whatever. And there are rooms I'll go to for the sexual only, because I don't click with her personality but I find her very attractive. But rooms like that I don't stay with as long. I prefer the more friendly rooms with a side of sexual. But my opinion.

*Sigh* Yeah, so before other men read this and misinterpret it…the model in that thread wasn’t telling y’all to just stop tipping a model, and just camp out in her free chat. If you’re a member logged in and enjoying her room, of course you should tip something.

I’m sure the model in the other thread was referring to situations where these guys keep referring to models as their “girlfriend.” I think the poster was saying that a girlfriend will talk to you outside of these adult sites without you having to tip for those interactions. A girlfriend will talk to you over the phone, and y’all will make REAL plans to spend time together in person.

Thank you for clarifying. Again. Not always good with words. But yes that's what I mean, when you feel like you have that connection and you feel it is reciprocated, and you think there is more or the model is convincing you there is more, that's a good test on your "relationship". I'm not saying just stop giving tokens cold turkey. There obviously would be a lot of conversations before you get to that point. And there are a ton of models out there that use these feelings for gain. Which can be a business model, but like my OP, this model actively is trying to have a relationship with me. She has very clearly said that on and offline. But the way she is doing it is what's giving me the scam vibes. And for an update on that, she is still trying to get me to send PayPal money to her "friend". Haven't done that yet obviously lol. And I'm not going to. But she keeps throwing the relationship thing out there and saying all the right things that would win a man's heart. I'm just not gonna fall for it.