Sticky situation with a cam girl

[Matt]

Hi all,
Thanks for taking the time to read this. I am in a sticky situation with a cam girl that I met online. I met this girl a while ago while I was on a free online dating site and she had a profile on there to talk to guys and ultimately get them to subscribe to her camping website. I have never been interested in looking at online sex cams and probably never will be. At first she was trying to get me to join her site like everyone else but the conversation continued and long story short I said I am not interested in seeing your cam show because I'm not into that but I think you are very cute and I'm interested in getting to know you for who you are. She liked that idea. So we got to know each other a bit and are both very attracted to one another and found out that we have some common interests as well. I think we have about as much chemistry as you can have with someone you haven't met and have only talked to via text message. So she has texted me everyday most of the time twice a day for about a month and a half. However the more I learned about her situation the more difficult everything became. I learned that she has had a someone rough upbringing and has no more family to fall back on and about two years ago she started camming to survive financially. She signed a contract with a company that runs houses of cam girls and from what I can tell it has slipped through the legal cracks because from what she has told me this company has next to no ethics at all. She works 12 hours a day 7 days a week and can only have free time if she meets a quota of signing people up for that day which is nearly impossible. The two times she has reached the quota to get out and come and see me she was not allowed to because the staff at her company feared she may run off with me. From what I can tell and the research I have done this company is somehow barely legal and runs by getting naive girls to sign ridiculous contracts with the false promises of an easy lifestyle and fast cash. This girl has already started paying off her contract to get out of there. She told me she is living in VA in a house with a bunch of other cam girls, and their main branch is in MA, and the owner is from the philippines. Not only that but apparently from what she has told me this place is very large and has lots of resources because it has its own medical facility. Sketchy as fuck. Anyway I am wondering if anyone has any experience with this kind of thing or knows about companies like this or maybe even knows the company I'm talking about. I want to help this girl get through this so she can live a better life but I also want to know who exactly I'm dealing with. Sorry for my grammar. I wrote this rather quickly

 

[mynameisbob84]

Something sounds off here. Going purely on what you've said, it sounds like she's going for the long con and it's only a matter of time before she tries to get some money out of you (if she hasn't already).

Studios like the one you've mentioned definitely exist but I don't know how common they would be in America. If you're worried about things then you can always contact the police with what you've been told. IF this studio is legitimately exploiting women then that clearly needs to stop.

But it sounds like she's playing on your emotions, trying to make you feel concern for her and her predicament in the hopes that you'll send money to "save" her.

 

[Matt]

Something sounds off here. Going purely on what you've said, it sounds like she's going for the long con and it's only a matter of time before she tries to get some money out of you (if she hasn't already).

Studios like the one you've mentioned definitely exist but I don't know how common they would be in America. If you're worried about things then you can always contact the police with what you've been told. IF this studio is legitimately exploiting women then that clearly needs to stop.

But it sounds like she's playing on your emotions, trying to make you feel concern for her and her predicament in the hopes that you'll send money to "save" her.

 

[Matt]

Do those kind of long cons happen often? My empathy is say help but my gut is saying im being suckered

 

[NoelleBright]

Do those kind of long cons happen often? My empathy is say help but my gut is saying im being suckered

YES it happens often because it unfortunately works.
She's already gotten you interested in helping her, hasn't she? I would not send her any money, none of what she's saying is adding up.

A studio with a medical facility? LOL. Huge red flags all over the place here.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

A studio with a medical facility? LOL. Huge red flags all over the place here.

Yes, that sounds really bad. Probably made up. But if it's true, sounds to me like it would be on par with Jonestown's agricultural program.

 

[Azhrarn]

I want to help this girl get through this so she can live a better life...

You can't help this "girl" because "she" doesn't need or want your help. The entire scenario you've described sounds like BS, and this person is simply trying to scam you. You may not even be dealing with a girl at all. Report "her" to the dating site and then forget "her."

 

[Matt]

You can't help this "girl" because "she" doesn't need or want your help. The entire scenario you've described sounds like BS, and this person is simply trying to scam you. You may not even be dealing with a girl at all. Report "her" to the dating site and then forget "her."

 

[Matt]

I am inclined to agree. I just wanted to get some other opinions. The only thing that has kept me hanging on is that I asked her to send me a picture of her holding a sign with my name and the date on it immediately to confirm she was who she claimed to be and she did it within 20 min. What exactly is the jone'stown agricultural program?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

What exactly is the jone'stown agricultural program?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

 

[Azhrarn]

I am inclined to agree. I just wanted to get some other opinions. The only thing that has kept me hanging on is that I asked her to send me a picture of her holding a sign with my name and the date on it immediately to confirm she was who she claimed to be and she did it within 20 min.

Which proves what exactly? At a minimum, this person has access to a computer and web cam in order to complete the terms of their supposed "contract." In addition, cam girls also commonly utilize smart phones. These are basic tools of the trade. So what is preventing them from reporting the business and seeking help from authorities? If this person legitimately wanted and needed help, they could easily obtain such help themselves.

Try asking for an ID, driver's license or passport. Ask for the name of the owner and the DBA. See how far you get with those requests. I'm guessing at that point they'll cut off contact with you.

 

[Matt]

Thanks everyone for your honest opinions it's a big help.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

She signed a contract with a company that runs houses of cam girls and from what I can tell it has slipped through the legal cracks because from what she has told me this company has next to no ethics at all. She works 12 hours a day 7 days a week and can only have free time if she meets a quota of signing people up for that day which is nearly impossible. The two times she has reached the quota to get out and come and see me she was not allowed to because the staff at her company feared she may run off with me.

Fake, lie, con.

Slavery is against the law now. No such contract exists that would force someone to work and not allow them to leave.

Write her off or say goodbye to your money.

 

[Teagan]

Honestly the only help you should provide this girl is a list to local women's shelters in va. Then she can get out, have a place to stay, and get back on her feet on her own. Then if she wants to cam in the future she can from home. Plus they can provide her with proper authorities to talk to if her incredibly unbelievable story is true.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

Honestly the only help you should provide this girl is a list to local women's shelters in va. Then she can get out, have a place to stay, and get back on her feet on her own. Then if she wants to cam in the future she can from home. Plus they can provide her with proper authorities to talk to if her incredibly unbelievable story is true.

It's nice you assume she needs a women's shelter and help to get out. But I don't believe that for a minute. She's on cam in front of hundreds if not thousands daily. She only has to utter a few sentences to alleviate any problem she is pretending to have.

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Hi, My name is [model name here]. I am being held hostage. My kidnapper is [enter pretend bossman name here]. I am at this address [enter address of studio]. Please call the police to come rescue me.
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Occam's razor - the hypothesis with less assumptions is the one that should be chosen.

She was hard on her luck. No family to help. Signed illegal contract. Prisoner in her studio. Evil overlord boss who won't let her leave or see people. Yet is able to cam and have contact with thousands of people daily. Forced to work 84 hours a week, or more if she doesn't meet a quota. No way out except to make lots of money to pay off her illegal contract.

Or, she's a lying con artist out to bilk money from an easy mark.

Which makes more sense?

 

[Teagan]

I'm not assuming her story is true, it sounds like complete crap which is why I'd give her a list of shelters and be on my way. That way either way you did what was best. Protected yourself and helped her if she did need it.
There is a thing called indentured servitude which depending on how it's done can be legal but I highly doubt that's what this is here. It's just unlikely in the U.S.
I do know some studios overseas work where the girls owe the studio for rent, food, supplies, etc and basically they can never get out of the contracts or get ahead ever but it happening here is so unrealistic for so many reasons.
So I stand by sending her a list and then cutting ties.

 

[Matt]

Thanks again. I have given no personal information or money. Only my first name. That is it. Sounds like cutting ties is the way to go.

 

[Azhrarn]

Thanks again. I have given no personal information or money. Only my first name. That is it. Sounds like cutting ties is the way to go.

That's what you think.

You said you'd been communicating through text messages? So does this person have your phone number? If not, what messaging service have you been using, and what email address is tied to it? What personal information do you have tied to that account?

Considering the complicated nature of this scam, I'd suggest you abandon any accounts you used to communicate with this "girl" and create new ones. I have no first hand knowledge of this, but apparently people run all sorts of scams through dating sites. Make sure you're linking all of your social media to disposable email addresses.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

what nationality is this girl?

 

[Miss_Steamshow]

Sounds like crap, but I like the story. Can you ask her why doesn't she call the police?

 

[AerynShade]

I can see this being possibly true under one scenario: she was brought to the U.S. illegally and is paying off the debt of her passage. In that situation she wouldn't be able to contact police because she'd be deported.

More than likely, you're being conned one way or another. Cut your losses.

 

[JubalCobb]

I asked her to send me a picture of her holding a sign with my name and the date on it immediately to confirm she was who she claimed to be and she did it within 20 min.

did you check if the pic has GPS info embedded?

 

[Azhrarn]

I can see this being possibly true under one scenario: she was brought to the U.S. illegally and is paying off the debt of her passage. In that situation she wouldn't be able to contact police because she'd be deported.

Not to get all political, but this isn't Israel, world capital of white slavery. When was the last time you heard of anyone being deported from the United States for anything, including murder? If the scenario you describe is true, and she turns herself in, it's more likely she'd get showered with so many benefits she'd think she'd won the lottery.

But the odds of this story being true are the same as winning the lottery, slim to none, and slim just left town

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

Not to get all political, but this isn't Israel, world capital of white slavery. When was the last time you heard of anyone being deported from the United States for anything, including murder? If the scenario you describe is true, and she turns herself in, it's more likely she'd get showered with so many benefits she'd think she'd won the lottery.

But the odds of this story being true are the same as winning the lottery, slim to none, and slim just left town

I literally know people who have been deported. Non violent crimes too. What state are you in/rock are you under? I'm in Texas, and it happens all the time. Don't be so ignorant.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ions-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

Yup, no one ever gets deported.

 

[gonegirl2352]

There may be a slim chance that her story is true. Think of the Cleveland case where 3 girls were held captive for 10 years.

http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca/michelle...ter-i-got-up-the-stairs-it-was-over-1.1820964

In this case, maybe the girl is a foreigner. Her English may not be that strong. She is forced to cam and being watched so she can't really Google her way out. She may not be in the right mindset or mentality due to being sedated mildly. It's not a implausible situation. If a 3 white girls were held captive in a basement for 10 years...anything is possible.

In the Cleveland case, the neighbors saw one of the girls in the backyard half naked with the kidnapper...and did nothing.

I would go with your gut instinct. If you really think something is very wrong, do something about it. Get the police involved, hire a P.I. Get a hacker. I would rather do something and be wrong then hear about it later on the news.

 

[WickedTouch]

There may be a slim chance that her story is true. Think of the Cleveland case where 3 girls were held captive for 10 years.

http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca/michelle...ter-i-got-up-the-stairs-it-was-over-1.1820964

In this case, maybe the girl is a foreigner. Her English may not be that strong. She is forced to cam and being watched so she can't really Google her way out. She may not be in the right mindset or mentality due to being sedated mildly. It's not a implausible situation. If a 3 white girls were held captive in a basement for 10 years...anything is possible.

In the Cleveland case, the neighbors saw one of the girls in the backyard half naked with the kidnapper...and did nothing.

Yeah, I was trying to recall that cleveland case.

I'll leave this here...

https://www.dosomething.org/facts/11-facts-about-human-trafficking

 

[Azhrarn]

I literally know people who have been deported. Non violent crimes too. What state are you in/rock are you under? I'm in Texas, and it happens all the time. Don't be so ignorant.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ions-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

Yup, no one ever gets deported.

I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. So sorry you missed that.

And the article you cite is in error. The Obama administration changed the way that deportations are recorded in order to hide the fact that deportations are actually way, way, way down. Quite simply, they now consider someone stopped at the border and sent back a "deportation." No previous administration has ever done that.

 

[dilligaf0]

Okay, my opinion is contact the police. If she's really being held like this, they need to investigate. If it's a con, she needs to be investigated. Either way, all you can really do is contact the authorities and let them handle it.

 

[Poison_Ivy21]

I was exaggerating a bit to make a point. So sorry you missed that.

And the article you cite is in error. The Obama administration changed the way that deportations are recorded in order to hide the fact that deportations are actually way, way, way down. Quite simply, they now consider someone stopped at the border and sent back a "deportation." No previous administration has ever done that.

I read the article, I know just how they got those numbers. So deportations are down, that not at all the point I was making. I'm pointing out how ridiculous it is to say that no one gets deported because you don't hear about it everyday. Exaggerate all you want but that's just a wildly inaccurate thing to say.

Inaccurate statements don't generally help arguments much. Seeing as they are not true.


Point is, I know parents who have been deported while their kids stay here. If they government doesn't give a shit about tearing entire families apart, then I highly doubt this girl would get, "showered with so many benefits she'd think she'd won the lottery." I mean, assuming any of this story is true. Which I also highly doubt.

@dilligaf0 @Matt I don't know if contacting the police would do anything unless OP knows exactly where this "cam girl compound" is located. If you don't have an exact address, what would you tell the police?

 

[Azhrarn]

Okay, my opinion is contact the police. If she's really being held like this, they need to investigate. If it's a con, she needs to be investigated. Either way, all you can really do is contact the authorities and let them handle it.

I believe the police will likely refuse to investigate unless they are provided with tangible evidence that this isn't a scam. They won't investigate internet scams. As I posted above, he'd need to obtain proof of identity, as well as the business name or owner's name, and I don't see that happening.