A few basic questions about deleting content pirated from public streams and private shows

[Riddick]

Hello, new to this forum. I've been reading threads related to DMCA takedown requests, Google link delisting requests, and the overall problem of getting rid of content once it's "out there" on the web in places you don't want it to be. I am trying to help out someone who, because of her location (and language challenges) can't easily access everything, even with a VPN. Anyway, she plans to leave the industry in the next six months or so and wants to do several things: Removing pirated stuff on sites like "Leaked Cams", "Camwhores," etc.; request Google or other search engines to de-listing results, and get stuff taken down from the sites that scrape streams from CB. I've read a lot of posts here, some old and some more recent. I know it may be impossible for her to find and eliminate everything.

A couple of questions for those who have experience with trying to remove content and/or search engine results:

- I've see a few companies recommended to do the work for you. The highest recommended seem to be BranditScan and Rulta. Does anyone have recent experience with either? I know they are subscriptions and I found prices from a few years ago but nothing recent. Any idea about current costs? Or any general thoughts about these or other firms?

- A poster here mentioned that DCMA is a US law and that some of the shadier sites are hosted in countries (or by host companies) that don't have to comply or won't. Has anyone had experience with sites ignoring requests for takedown of copyrighted and/or sexual, private content?

Thanks for any advice!

 

[MeAbc]

Hello, new to this forum. I've been reading threads related to DMCA takedown requests, Google link delisting requests, and the overall problem of getting rid of content once it's "out there" on the web in places you don't want it to be. I am trying to help out someone who, because of her location (and language challenges) can't easily access everything, even with a VPN. Anyway, she plans to leave the industry in the next six months or so and wants to do several things: Removing pirated stuff on sites like "Leaked Cams", "Camwhores," etc.; request Google or other search engines to de-listing results, and get stuff taken down from the sites that scrape streams from CB. I've read a lot of posts here, some old and some more recent. I know it may be impossible for her to find and eliminate everything.

A couple of questions for those who have experience with trying to remove content and/or search engine results:

- I've see a few companies recommended to do the work for you. The highest recommended seem to be BranditScan and Rulta. Does anyone have recent experience with either? I know they are subscriptions and I found prices from a few years ago but nothing recent. Any idea about current costs? Or any general thoughts about these or other firms?

- A poster here mentioned that DCMA is a US law and that some of the shadier sites are hosted in countries (or by host companies) that don't have to comply or won't. Has anyone had experience with sites ignoring requests for takedown of copyrighted and/or sexual, private content?

Thanks for any advice!

I'm so sorry your friend is going through this. I have had the same problem just recently when a site pirated my personal videos and I used SC DMCA to take down the content. The site did comply but later re-uploaded the content so I used Brandit scan in conjuntion with reporting directly to Google's DMCA to have the entire site removed from Google search and the site was taken down imediately. Try reporting directly to Google because they dont mess around! I guarentee the illegal infringement site will be destroyed by Google directly! That worked for me.

 

[cbhours]

in conjuntion with reporting directly to Google's DMCA to have the entire site removed from Google search and the site was taken down imediately. Try reporting directly to Google because they dont mess around! I guarentee the illegal infringement site will be destroyed by Google directly!

The entire site removed? I'm so confused, what happened? You only reported the specific url your content was found right? I mean it's hard to guess these days because I've seen Google remove super important pages because they paid 0 attention to the dmca reports.

 

[KingMarti]

Personally I dont recommend having google de-list the pages with a dmca, all it does is move all the links to a brand new page that says all the links that you requested to be removed removed so actually makes them easier to find imo since they link to that document on every page of the results and it's literally a list of where all your pirated content is.

If you make content then imo you are better off just pumping out content which generally overtakes it all in the google results, the goal is to get the pirate content so far back in the google results that no one is going to click through enough of them to find it.

Some might disagree with this but personally I think DMCA services are largly a scam, if you are super busy then it can make sense to use them rather than doing it yourself to track down the links, but again if they remove anything from google they are actually just making it easier for people to find which defeats the entire purpose since most of these sites wont comply with a dmca takedown request so a google delist is the best they will be able to do in most cases.

 

[Vixxen81]

Personally I dont recommend having google de-list the pages with a dmca, all it does is move all the links to a brand new page that says all the links that you requested to be removed removed so actually makes them easier to find imo since they link to that document on every page of the results and it's literally a list of where all your pirated content is.

If you make content then imo you are better off just pumping out content which generally overtakes it all in the google results, the goal is to get the pirate content so far back in the google results that no one is going to click through enough of them to find it.

Some might disagree with this but personally I think DMCA services are largly a scam, if you are super busy then it can make sense to use them rather than doing it yourself to track down the links, but again if they remove anything from google they are actually just making it easier for people to find which defeats the entire purpose since most of these sites wont comply with a dmca takedown request so a google delist is the best they will be able to do in most cases.

Yeah I have a very strict "out of sight, out of mind" policy. I don't go looking for it and I don't acknowledge it if someone brings it up in chat.

 

[Riddick]

all it does is move all the links to a brand new page that says all the links that you requested to be removed so actually makes them easier to find imo since they link to that document on every page of the results and it's literally a list of where all your pirated content is.

This seems counter to the idea of removing the links from search results. I've seen some search results on Google that say something like, "10 results have been removed from this search for copyright reasons." But I've not seen them provide a link to a different page where you could see what was removed.

Also, aside from trying to remove search results, what about takedown requests to the sites that host pirated stuff? Has that been effective for most people?

 

[Riddick]

I'm so sorry your friend is going through this.

She was a little naive when she went into the job. She knew about some of these problems but thought it could be controlled (or stuff removed later). But she didn't know there were people who get into recording and trading or selling privates on shady sites. She hopes to get rid of as much as possible but she's not unrealistic.

 

[JesseQuinn69]

Hello, new to this forum. I've been reading threads related to DMCA takedown requests, Google link delisting requests, and the overall problem of getting rid of content once it's "out there" on the web in places you don't want it to be. I am trying to help out someone who, because of her location (and language challenges) can't easily access everything, even with a VPN. Anyway, she plans to leave the industry in the next six months or so and wants to do several things: Removing pirated stuff on sites like "Leaked Cams", "Camwhores," etc.; request Google or other search engines to de-listing results, and get stuff taken down from the sites that scrape streams from CB. I've read a lot of posts here, some old and some more recent. I know it may be impossible for her to find and eliminate everything.

A couple of questions for those who have experience with trying to remove content and/or search engine results:

- I've see a few companies recommended to do the work for you. The highest recommended seem to be BranditScan and Rulta. Does anyone have recent experience with either? I know they are subscriptions and I found prices from a few years ago but nothing recent. Any idea about current costs? Or any general thoughts about these or other firms?

- A poster here mentioned that DCMA is a US law and that some of the shadier sites are hosted in countries (or by host companies) that don't have to comply or won't. Has anyone had experience with sites ignoring requests for takedown of copyrighted and/or sexual, private content?

Thanks for any advice!

I'd suggest avoiding Branditscan and Rulta like the plague. TakeDownPiracy is a good one though


the DMCA is a US law and not every site will honor it and remove the content, but there are strategies your friend can do herself that sometimes work (have for me) in getting the content removed


DMCA the Host

won't work if it's Cloudflare, but some hosts will demand the site remove the content. she can use a site like hostingchecker.com to find the host and submit a dmca to them


DMCA the Registrar

this is sometimes effective. she can use lookup.icann.org/en to find the registrar of the domain and submit a DMCA to them


DMCA Google and Bing (to remove search results, not the actual content)

reportcontent.google.com/forms/dmca_search

bing.com/webmaster/tools/contentremovalform/


hope that helps, wishing your friend good luck!

 

[KingMarti]

Also, aside from trying to remove search results, what about takedown requests to the sites that host pirated stuff? Has that been effective for most people?

from my understanding a takedown request is only enforceable if the company has a footprint I the USA (hosting, domain, business address etc) the owners of these sites tend to know this and pay extra to ensure that none of their site is linked to the USA.

as for the removed links page, they are there, obviously I'm not going to say the exact placement since you can't see it maybe it's not as obvious as I thought... It is counter intuitive which is why I wouldn't pay for a service that removes the links from Google

 

[KingMarti]

from my understanding a takedown request is only enforceable if the company has a footprint I the USA (hosting, domain, business address etc) the owners of these sites tend to know this and pay extra to ensure that none of their site is linked to the USA.

as for the removed links page, they are there, obviously I'm not going to say the exact placement since you can't see it maybe it's not as obvious as I thought... It is counter intuitive which is why I wouldn't pay for a service that removes the links from Google

also going to add that if you do the dmca with your legal name that is also printed on this page and you not only provide a single point to list all of the links to the sites that post your content but you also end up doing yourself... so yeah... never use your legal info when issuing takedowns

 

[KingMarti]

also going to add that if you do the dmca with your legal name that is also printed on this page and you not only provide a single point to list all of the links to the sites that post your content but you also end up doing yourself... so yeah... never use your legal info when issuing takedowns

That was supposed to be doxing yourself, not doing yourself