am i helping or hurting models ?

[Swirl]

I've said this once and I'll say it again. I understand not everyone is rich. If you can only give a few tokens, that is alright with me!! If you can't give anything, ever, camsites are not for you.

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

I think most of them do it just because they are tired of being muted guests. MFC even markets it that way too so it's their fault really....buy tokens once and become a member for life!

 

[Nordling]

I've said this once and I'll say it again. I understand not everyone is rich. If you can only give a few tokens, that is alright with me!! If you can't give anything, ever, camsites are not for you.

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

I think most of them do it just because they are tired of being muted guests. MFC even markets it that way too so it's their fault really....buy tokens once and become a member for life!

Agree, in most cases of the permanent 20 token once members, but in this case, the member in the OP specifically implied that he could not afford to buy tokens ever, at all...so how did he manage it once?

 

[Swirl]

I've said this once and I'll say it again. I understand not everyone is rich. If you can only give a few tokens, that is alright with me!! If you can't give anything, ever, camsites are not for you.

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

I think most of them do it just because they are tired of being muted guests. MFC even markets it that way too so it's their fault really....buy tokens once and become a member for life!

Agree, in most cases of the permanent 20 token once members, but in this case, the member in the OP specifically implied that he could not afford to buy tokens ever, at all...so how did he manage it once?

Maybe Mom got him a gift card.

 

[Jupiter551]

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

I think most of them do it just because they are tired of being muted guests. MFC even markets it that way too so it's their fault really....buy tokens once and become a member for life!

Agree, in most cases of the permanent 20 token once members, but in this case, the member in the OP specifically implied that he could not afford to buy tokens ever, at all...so how did he manage it once?

Maybe Mom got him a gift card.

On chaturbate now if you have even 1 token in your account your name is light blue, the second you have zerp your name turns grey. So the other day I ran into a dude who claims he can't afford ANY tokens EVER, doesn't even have a credit card etc and says someone transferred him one token so he can have a light blue name....

 

[Poker_Babe]

Everyone here had great advice, may I also suggest following this blog SexWorker Problems on tumblr. It will give you excellent insight as to what truly pisses off/hurts girls in this profession.

Especially these:

And always avoid making a model have to feel like this...

or this

And if you really want to be the best help to a model that you can be... follow the advice of Good Guy Greg...

And remember every premium has the option to buy smaller token packages...

 

[CharlotteLace]

Okay, so reading this whole thread, it sounded at first like he was trying to help newer models out who might not know the ropes. I know, before my first time camming, I watched a lot of girls and got the vibe for how things work on MFC. But I still panicked a bit in my first show, and was grateful for a premium who gave me a couple helpful hints so I didn't feel so overwhelmed.

That original helpful guy showed up in my room the other day, and I told him how grateful I was for him on that first day.

That being said, if it's not a model's absolute first day ever camming, and she's NOT giving the wide-eyed, panicked, "holy shit what do i do?!" look on camera, you should just let her do her thing, dude. And tip now and then.

Not every girl wants to take your game suggestions or have you be a virtual bodyguard when she can easily click "ban" and not give a rude guest another thought. Personally, I don't do games unless the room's talkative and interacting a bit, so I'd probably get irritated if a regular was always suggesting "fun stuff" he'd take no part in.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

Oh, this one breaks my heart.

 

[LadyLuna]

I've said this once and I'll say it again. I understand not everyone is rich. If you can only give a few tokens, that is alright with me!! If you can't give anything, ever, camsites are not for you.

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

I can understand with the guys who went premium a long time ago, cause, maybe they lost their job in that recession a few years back.

But the ones that went premium within the past year... what's up with that?

Also- we've been assuming he's a premium member... what if he's a basic? My responses become "while I treat basics the same as premiums, I also expect them to do no more than keep conversation going while in my room. If I ask for suggestions, then by all means, give them! But if you can't give them to me in pm or mail, you shouldn't be sending them when I haven't asked."

 

[Meoff_69]

First off, I commend you for having the guts to post this. These types of posts tend to receive a hugely negative backlash. From what I've read so far, both models and members alike have been very honest and forthcoming in providing input. You may wish to take what's being suggested to heart, or not. That's your choice

i am a premium member who is unable to tip do to real events in his life

This sounds like maybe you're trying to keep this part of your personal life, a secret. Perhaps this is due to privacy reasons such as financial privacy? Or maybe you're tying to keep this under wraps from a spouse, significant other, or family and friends.

If it's the former, have you thought about using reloadable or one time usage debit cards? This could keep identity theft at bay, somewhat.

1. try to keep chat flowing asking question to the model and often completing her looks outfits or anything new she might be wearing
2. helping with questions other premium members ask when the model is busy say getting food or in the middle of a show or has just been asked it so many times she does not feel like it
3. making up games for the models to play while being tipped or do them instead of countdowns where she just waits to be tipped or making suggestions for that she might like to try in pubic chat like shot, spanks, hits, flashes, or many other things in general
4. sometimes i yell at premium members who go to far ask question that are just wrong in every way i would say some but i am sure you all have heard some before
5. i try to be in the models room almost ever time she cams to help with the things i have stated before
6.telling friends i know to come talk and if they like the model tip if they are able normally the more people in the room the better i think

those are most of the stuff i do for models i like and get to know i never ask for anything in return
or try not to ... lol so plz tell me should i be doing something different ? should i be helping them in a different way ? should i be letting them do this stuff on there own so they get used to it ?
thank you for your comment, criticism, suggestions.[/quote]

 

[OpheliaChan]

I would ban the mother fuck out of you in a jiffy! Sorry to be so rude but holy shit you sound like the epitome of the worst premium ever!

It's true. Clingy people who don't tip are by far the most annoying. Actually, clingy members in general are really lightly tolerated. I can understand freeloaders who just sit quietly in the background (like most people) and appreciate from afar, but to act like you're "caring" and some sort of helper is irritating. You're drawing too much unnecessary attention to yourself.

 

[Jessi]

Hey yo model, here is how to get guys to tip!
Oh wait, but not me heurrhurr. Just uh, do all the things I like, and other guys will tip you bb. but I/my mom/dog/ has cancer and my house/business/car got foreclosed on and I deserve free attention because Im special and this false advice makes me feel useful.

If your life is so bad you don't have 20 bucks, then you need to get off the porn sites and go somewhere you can get help. Or state plastering every business within walking/bussing distance with your resume.

 

[Meoff_69]

**EDIT...part two....** Sorry! I hit the "post" button instead of "preview." DERP!! LOL Continued, below....

1. try to keep chat flowing asking question to the model and often completing her looks outfits or anything new she might be wearing

Great! But don't overdo it! As many others have said, models can see through this, very quickly. You may be automatically thought of as a blatant freeloader. Remember, it's nothing personal! These ladies have seen just about every kind of freeloader tactic and scam out there. Think of it as part of the model's "defense mechanism."

2. helping with questions other premium members ask when the model is busy say getting food or in the middle of a show or has just been asked it so many times she does not feel like it

Okay. But again...don't overdue it. You could actually drive others from the model's room. If only because they feel you're acting like a know-it-all. Try to only ask questions that are directed to the entire chat room. Or only answer questions directly addressed to you.

3. making up games for the models to play while being tipped or do them instead of countdowns where she just waits to be tipped or making suggestions for that she might like to try in pubic chat like shot, spanks, hits, flashes, or many other things in general

Trust me on this...BAD IDEA!! Remember that this is the lady's "business." This is how she supports herself! Offer suggestions, only if she asks for them! And even then, make sure to be polite and even if you only have 5 tokens...offer that suggestion, and those 5 tokens, in a tip note! That's the safest way to go!

4. sometimes i yell at premium members who go to far ask question that are just wrong in every way i would say some but i am sure you all have heard some before

As many others have said, and I'll echo, BAD IDEA!! The model is the judge, jury, and ban-ecutioner! Let her handle it! I know a couple of models that acutally make it very entertaining when they ban someone for being an ass! Sit back and enjoy!

5. i try to be in the models room almost ever time she cams to help with the things i have stated before

Great! Be supportive! But to echo some others again, your tips are what she really needs the most. If you can save up a little money and buy tokens to "treat" yourself, great! Just make sure to share your "treat" with your favorite model(s)! Again, it's nothing personal. This is how she makes a living for herself. I consider a couple of models as friends to me. But at the end of the day, my friendship with those models, doesn't help pay their bills!

6.telling friends i know to come talk and if they like the model tip if they are able normally the more people in the room the better i think

Hooray for advertising! But let your friends make the decision on whether they want to tip. No pressure + beautiful model doing fun things on cam = a "loosening of the purse strings."

In closing, and because I missed this in my initial response, if you're trying to keep your activities private, for personal or financial reasons...maybe hanging out in an adult webcam site, might not be for you. Listen to that little voice in your head. If it's saying "maybe this isn't such a good idea"..listen to it! Get out!

Hope this helps out! And good luck to you!

 

[Keithy]

First off, you're not helping. If you have to ask if you're helping, you already know better. The best thing you can do is save your nickles and dimes, get some cash together, buy some tokens and tip her. If you can't do that, buy her a wishlist item if she has a wishlist. Don't try and white knight, don't try and control her room. These girls are strong and independent, they can handle their shit themselves (or will fail miserably at this job).


Now, Ranty McRanterson:
I love all the people saying if you've never done a job you can't help people with it. Imagine, you watch a shitty movie, but you can't say it's shitty because you've never mad a movie. Read Twilight, but you can't say it's horrid writing because you've never written a successful novel before. Ever been a politician before? Well there goes political discourse too.
I agree telling a model in her room how to do shit is rude, but being that I get compliments and lots of lovely personal notes for my game guide, and I have never been a cam girl, I would suggest that perhaps even without being a cam girl, a (more than) casual viewer can help cam girls (in the right atmosphere).
But lets not fight about this here, because a) it's not the place for it and b) I'm always right (or at least there's nothing more to say on this topic, you either agree or not, but if you need the help, my guide it always there- and I'm willing to update it with any information you can provide me).

 

[fishandchips]

i hope everyone is reading these comments i add after the first post

i have not been banned from any of the models rooms i like and most of them are new models and so far the models who i in my terms tried to help have thanked me for it and thefluffsta i would not take a free skype show from my models

jessijayde i never just ask the same question over and over again and the games i made for my models is a simple one that can be done with scrap pieces of paper and a bored and tape i dont often yell at people maybe every other day its only when a person goes to far and keeps doing it even after the model tells them to stop (unless they say pedo shit then go yell right off) most of the models i watch cam maybe 2-3 times a week tops

btw my game was set through mfc-mail and said only a game if she liked it and wanted to try it and my suggestions where only about once a month and said through pm which i choose not to use pm often to keep chat flowing 90% of what i suggest the models try and i don't repeat myself and keep saying the same suggestion over and over again i do not nag wine or bitch if the model ignore anything i say or suggest

and i always tell the model if she ever needs a break from me i am more then willing to not watch her for a week or two or tell she asks me to come back so far no one has

 

[NicoleRiley]

I'm a model who fish regularly visits and I do not find him annoying, pushy, or needy. And I'm extremely easy to annoy haha :lol:

I can see how he comes across this way, and everything he posted makes him sound like a crazy annoying worst nightmare member. But I enjoy having him around and he always keeps the conversation flowing when it's slow. He has never caused me any issues, been clingy, or overstepped any boundaries. He's pretty damn low maintenance!

I just figured I'd chime in as someone who knows the guy

 

[fishandchips]

thank you Nicole that was nice but really i will watch myself with some of the comments these ladies have brought up just in case and really ladies thank you for your comments even the harsh and hurtful ones

 

[Keithy]

thank you Nicole that was nice but really i will watch myself with some of the comments these ladies have brought up just in case and really ladies thank you for your comments even the harsh and hurtful ones

Sounds like this is one stand up mutha fucker. However you did sound kind of crazy and didn't really come across as I think you meant to in your original post. You should edit tha... oh, sorry.

 

[fishandchips]

lol i don't know how to edit first time posting or looking at post ... i tried to use less words so my post would not of been long but i think i sounded extreme instead ...

 

[snolyn4]

Okay, so reading this whole thread, it sounded at first like he was trying to help newer models out who might not know the ropes. I know, before my first time camming, I watched a lot of girls and got the vibe for how things work on MFC. But I still panicked a bit in my first show, and was grateful for a premium who gave me a couple helpful hints so I didn't feel so overwhelmed.

That original helpful guy showed up in my room the other day, and I told him how grateful I was for him on that first day.

That being said, if it's not a model's absolute first day ever camming, and she's NOT giving the wide-eyed, panicked, "holy shit what do i do?!" look on camera, you should just let her do her thing, dude. And tip now and then.

Not every girl wants to take your game suggestions or have you be a virtual bodyguard when she can easily click "ban" and not give a rude guest another thought. Personally, I don't do games unless the room's talkative and interacting a bit, so I'd probably get irritated if a regular was always suggesting "fun stuff" he'd take no part in.

I do tend to try to help models who are listed as New and especially on their first day, But I also tip them and have referred them to this site....I think it is Ok to try to help New models, I just think the OP's methods were a tad askew IMO, But Nicole seems to say the guy is a good egg so good for him and her!!

 

[RogueWarrior]

First saw this thread when it was well into page 2.

After OP, was formulating snarky, sarcastic yet poignant reply in my mind. Kept reading. Glad I finished reading before replying.

While the OP seems to have pure intentions, also seems to be a bit misguided. I'll leave it to the experts (the models) to determine whether this list actually hurts/helps.

The OP was poorly worded and subsequent replies never touched on why tokens are unable to be purchased. My personal contention (and I may be in the minority, but I am rarely in the majority) is that if you can't afford tokens as a premium member, you really shouldn't be on MFC until you can.

But, you know, that's just me. It's not really fun for me if I can't tip.

 

[fishandchips]

since everyone wanted to know i watch my handicap brother with most of my time when i first made the account i did have a job and i did buy some token but my place of work closed and even though i have looked for 3 years i have not been able to find another job willing to work within my time frame

i normally don't tell this to model when i first meet them because i do not want the pity factor coming into play and some models who i watched only found out this passed week after watching them for 4+ months

i do not normally tell my story like this because sometimes some people try to copy me and its insulting my life is not sad its just my life there are a lot of worse off people then me and a lot of worse off models

as for my computer since someone brought it up i did stop watching mfc about 1+ year ago since my good computer broke and i could not buy internet but a friend gave me his old computer when he got a new one and we finally got the internet again as my only luxury and i don't smoke sigs or pot i don't drink i don't go out and eat ...

i am just trying to inform on questions that i was asked and i hope its not taken any other way

 

[AmberCutie]

I do agree it's good that you don't share your personal story about why you can't tip. Regardless of how sad or honorable an excuse is, it's still an excuse and we (models) usually prefer not to hear them.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I do agree it's good that you don't share your personal story about why you can't tip. Regardless of how sad or honorable an excuse is, it's still an excuse and we (models) usually prefer not to hear them.

I'll back this one up.
I have a handicapped friend, because the benefits are so insane looking after her she used to give the job to friends who were badly off. That's in the uk though, over here that kind of thing means you can live a pretty good life off the government. It's a sucky situation, but I believe where there's a will there's a way, everything in life is a choice. I couldn't find a job, so I became a camgirl. Sure not everyone has those options, but there are options for everyone. It's just a matter of compromise.
You're saying you truly cannot eat, and the internet is your only luxury, well, that's a choice you've made. It can sound heart warming and genuine and make you seem like a wonderful person, I'm sure you are, but I know many people in similar situations, it's still all an excuse. I don't know what kind of benefits you have where you live, but someone being handicapped enough to need that much care, in the uk the carer would get paid, or another carer would be paid while you get to go out and work. Everyone has their problems they're going through. If the internet is your only luxury, then yes I do think you should fork out an extra $2 every month to give a little tip to the camgirls you watch.

On another note members like you kind of remind me of when I used to take my dog on walks. He was a collie, and therefore liked being active and useful. As we'd go on the walk sometimes we'd play fetch, sometimes we wouldn't, but something my dog liked to do was carry the stick. When he was carrying the stick you could see he clearly felt he was doing something really useful and productive on the walk, he was the "stick carrier". Now, I really didn't care much whether he was carrying the stick or not, it didn't effect me whatsoever, in fact, I thought it was pretty endearing.
People are like dogs, they like to feel useful. You are a prime example of this, you're not employed, and apparently spend most of your time looking after a disabled person, I've done the same thing before and well, it's not as time consuming or fulfilling as you'd think, which can make you feel a bit low and unimportant, especially if you're low on money too.
So essentially what your type of member likes doing is "carrying the stick". Doing something they feel makes them useful and important in the room which actually probably doesn't really help anyone at all, but adds to their viewing experience. It's a definitely selfish good deed, even if the intentions are in the right place and the person doesn't realise it.
This is generally why I find lower tippers or freeloaders are worse for this stuff, because generally tippers already have good jobs, responsibilities, lots of things to do in life which make them feel useful. They don't come to a cam girls room to get those things.

My advice to anyone who finds themselves "carrying the stick" in a camgirls room, you really need to find another hobby, something to do. If you genuinely can't find a job that works with your hours and have actually been trying hard for 3 years, then do a job for free, do some charity work, do a uni course that you study from home, learn a language on the internet, anything! Being in a camgirls room shouldn't be your way of reaching out and helping people, it should be entertainment/feel good times mixed with porn. The only way it could be reaching out and helping people would be if you have money and want to change a girls life. That's the only way you can truly help a camgirl.

You don't seem like a bad guy, but you're clearly missing some things in life and are in a rut which you need to get out. This isn't about helping models, this is about you needing to help yourself instead. You have some fairly good excuses to hide behind, but they're not good enough to waste your life and not even be able to eat properly, and they're not things that could not get better with some effort. I'm sorry if this post came off a little harsh and unsympathetic, it's just I've seen similar situations so many times before.

 

[fishandchips]

btw i said don't go out and eat that means no restraints or fast food or anything its all home made and that means its a lot cheaper its been 6 months since i had Mcdonalds but i do eat

and i live in utah its one of the worst states for handicap people there is you right now there is a law suit going on against it stating where people have waited over 15+ years for the services you named before

i just found out that after i started this post i would be getting paid finally to watch my brother it might take a month or two to get my first paycheck but i am planing on buying tokens with most if not all checks and it only took them 18+ years to do it ...

 

[Anonymous]

Hi, and welcome to the forum. :hello2:

You seem like a nice guy. I don't have much to add to this discussion that others haven't already said, but I wanted to let you know that your style of writing (run-on sentences without commas or periods) is a little difficult to read.

 

[fishandchips]

i have crappy grammar skills i should work on that lol thank god for the letter limit on mfc
sorry for anyone who chooses to read anything i write

 

[JickyJuly]

If a girl doesn't like what you're bringing to her room and doesn't have the balls (labial folds? hehe.) to shut it down, she won't be successful at camming anyway. You can't really hurt a camgirl's game unless she lets you.

 

[bob]

You don't seem like a bad guy, but you're clearly missing some things in life and are in a rut which you need to get out. This isn't about helping models, this is about you needing to help yourself instead. You have some fairly good excuses to hide behind, but they're not good enough to waste your life and not even be able to eat properly, and they're not things that could not get better with some effort. I'm sorry if this post came off a little harsh and unsympathetic, it's just I've seen similar situations so many times before.

hmmm....i understand that camming is a business, and it works best if members just play by all the "best rules" that have been described here

but c'mon....everybody's human on both sides of the cam, and if it was JUST about a models income for guys, then there wouldn't be the variety of camsite formats around, all trying to strike the the most profiltable balance between interactivity and income, and an either/or statement like the one you made might actually be poignant, rather than merely your assessment of your own judgement on the OPs existance in camland.

we all have our "crosses to bear", and most of us are doing the best we can sorting through them, to make our lives as fulfilling as they can be.....meaning that "helping camgirls" and "helping yourself" are not mutually exclusive....and focusing on one does not mean neglecting the other.

if that were true, the OP wouldn't have bothered with this thread.

a lot of the advice given here has been considerate, honest, and thoughtful....and the OP has hung through it all without resorting to an angry defense of his behavior.....that alone shows an openness to truth and understanding.

he asked for comments about specific behaviors....not for a psychiatric evaluation....

i don't think your post was mean spirited at all, izzy.....but that line was presumptuous and demeaning, imo.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I've completely changed my mind about Mr Chips. It's easy to look at his first post and think "shit, he's one of those guys who pesters models day in day out trying to "help" and never tips and is a burden". Yesterday, that's what I thought

But between Nicole's testimony, his reasons for not (currently) being able to tip, and his apparent desire to be of much use to a model as he can, he's grown on me (as much as a complete stranger can grow on you in less than 24 hours, which isn't much, but I'm now happy to give him the benefit of the doubt at least).

Here's a guy who clearly wants to tip and who intends to tip as soon as he can (which will be soon), who spends his days helping his handicapped brother and his nights trying to help the models he feels guilty about not being able to tip (granted, there's not a whole lot he can do to help, but he's trying, bless him). He's a guy who (so far) hasn't had any complaints lodged against him by any of the models who actually see him in their rooms and the one model whose room he actually does frequent (that we know of) has nothing but positive things to say about him.

I think so many guys in his situation would just freeload without ever thinking it was an issue (MyFreeCams yadda yadda...). This guy is at least trying to compensate for his lack of tips by helping out in whatever small way he can, even if it's just keeping conversation moving. And from what Nicole's said, it sounds as if she enjoys having him around to do that. He's also said he plans to use the majority of his future pay to tip these models.

Mr Chips, I think you're alright :thumbleft:

 

[UncleThursday]

I've said this once and I'll say it again. I understand not everyone is rich. If you can only give a few tokens, that is alright with me!! If you can't give anything, ever, camsites are not for you.

it's so true. If you can't afford $20, even if you forgo other entertainment for the month to get it, just once, then you should just go do something else with your time.

It makes me wonder... How can someone "afford" it once (since he's a premium) but never again? Was it at that moment in time when you bought your first tokens that your life suddenly changed?

"If I spend $20, I can never be silenced with the guests and basics again! *maniacal evil laughter*"

EDIT after reading the rest of the thread on this page:

I understand the being out of work thing for a while. I was out of work for a few years due to my leg. But I wasn't on MFC at the time. I did lose my job at one point, for about a year, when I was, though. So I only hung out in the rooms of models who knew I was normally a tipper but had lost my job. But I never did any of what you would do, except add to the conversation or make jokes to keep the mood light.

My reason for being out of work for multiple years was my own physical injury, and not taking care of someone else. But I know what it's like to try to survive on hardly anything.