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Pocket knives and other blades, and mace or pepper spray canisters, although legal in the United States, are illegal in the United Kingdom and will result in arrest and confiscation if detected. A UK Metropolitan Police guide to items that are prohibited as offensive weapons is available at http://www.met.police.uk/youngpeople/guns.htm.

Even harsh language or kissing in public can get you arrested. :?

And they're telling us what should be legal? Bwahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:

Better watch out, sharpened Q-tips may be illegal next. :shifty:
 
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Harvrath said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendermonde_nursery_attack Three nine month old children and a 54 year old caretaker died, but hey they didn't get shot so they got that going for them right?

A Baseball bat can be bought for what, 10 bucks at Wal-Mart? So these rampage killers start using baseball bats. We gonna ban America's favorite past-time?

You ban Baseball and only Criminals will go to the World Series.
three babies and a 54 year old? Plenty of people could do that with their fists, your argument means nothing until someone can beat to death 26 people including several adults, in one go with a baseball bat.
 
Bocefish said:
Pocket knives and other blades, and mace or pepper spray canisters, although legal in the United States, are illegal in the United Kingdom and will result in arrest and confiscation if detected. A UK Metropolitan Police guide to items that are prohibited as offensive weapons is available at http://www.met.police.uk/youngpeople/guns.htm.

Even harsh language or kissing in public can get you arrested. :?

And they're telling us what should be legal? Bwahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:
concealed weapons are illegal here, including various knives, nunchucks etc. Can't say it's every really bothered me since I've never had the urge to walk around with a concealed weapon.

Bocefish said:
Better watch out, sharpened Q-tips may be illegal next. :shifty:
Yeah this coming from the country that forced us all to stop carrying any kind of liquid including baby formula on planes.

Bocefish said:
Main reason for purschasing AR-style sporting rifles:

49.1% Target Shooting
22.8% Hunting
28.1% Protection

Source: Nat'l Shooting Sports Foundation 2011 Survey

Over 3 million AR style rifles are in American homes.
Oh wow, no one listed 'Mass Murder'? I stand corrected then, most people just hate to reload while plinking.

Wait wait wait, didn't the 911 hijackers use box cutters to hijack the plane resulting in box cutters no longer being allowed to be carried on planes? The majority of box cutter-carriers are regular citizens using them for legitimate reasons like cutting boxes! How dare the government infringe upon the American peoples rights to bear box cutters on or over American soil!
 
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Jupiter551 said:
For that matter, why can't I use mustard gas to kill garden pests - chemical weapons never killed ANYONE! Only crazy people with chemical weapons did!
The rest of your post is just beyond silly and not worth commenting on.
So then by extension I take it you mean so is the oft-quoted logic that a gun never killed anyone, people did?

You're proposing that a gun, all by itself, is somehow able to kill people? I mean, I assume you're not talking about a freak misfire, right? You're actually trying to tell me that somehow a firearm could load itself, take aim at a person, and fire itself without any help from someone? Well I've certainly never heard of that. If you have evidence of something like that happening, by all means, share.
 
Jupiter551 said:
Wait wait wait, didn't the 911 hijackers use box cutters to hijack the plane resulting in box cutters no longer being allowed to be carried on planes? The majority of box cutter-carriers are regular citizens using them for legitimate reasons like cutting boxes! How dare the government infringe upon the American peoples rights to bear box cutters on or over American soil!

There is no constitutional amendment giving one the right to have a box cutter, nor even carry water. Sadly unlike some countries, we do not even have a a freedom of travel right, (one of my top wanted amendments). So if you want understand the paranoia among gun owners, you just have to watch the government overreaction to air travel safety. Without any court protection, air travel has become a time consuming, expensive and frustrating experience, as the government piled one absurd rule after another all in the name of safety.

But because gun ownerships is constitutional protected and Supreme Court decisions are respected in this country, the government can't take even baby steps that most people would see as sensible in controlling guns. So as tragic as the Newtown shooting is it pales compared to 300 lives wasted by TSA each yield as it force 900 million American to jump through time consuming idiotic hoops for an illusion of safety . I wish I could trust our government to do sensible things with guns but I don't.
 
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Jupiter551 said:
Wait wait wait, didn't the 911 hijackers use box cutters to hijack the plane resulting in box cutters no longer being allowed to be carried on planes? The majority of box cutter-carriers are regular citizens using them for legitimate reasons like cutting boxes! How dare the government infringe upon the American peoples rights to bear box cutters on or over American soil!

There is no constitutional amendment giving one the right to have a box cutter, nor even carry water. Sadly unlike some countries, we do not even have a a freedom of travel right, (one of my top wanted amendments). So if you want understand the paranoia among gun owners, you just have to watch the government overreaction to air travel safety. Without any court protection, air travel has become a time consuming, expensive and frustrating experience, as the government piled one absurd rule after another all in the name of safety.

But because gun ownerships is constitutional protected and Supreme Court decisions are respected in this country, the government can't take even baby steps that most people would see as sensible in controlling guns. So as tragic as the Newtown shooting is it pales compared to 300 lives wasted by TSA each yield as it force 900 million American to jump through time consuming idiotic hoops for an illusion of safety . I wish I could trust our government to do sensible things with guns but I don't.

"Right to bear arms" doesn't just mean firearms.

Anyways here's a link to some reasearch on guns being counterproductive to public safety, conducted by those whack-job left-wing crazies who are never known for their academic rigour, Harvard University.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
 
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Anyways here's a link to some reasearch on guns being counterproductive to public safety, conducted by those whack-job left-wing crazies who are never known for their academic rigour, Harvard University.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

This observation solves nothing.
There are people who are paranoid, there are people who are fucked up in the head, there are people who enjoy guns and hunting, and there are people who live in places so overrun with crime and guns that the police DO NOT respond. Facts. Not paranoia. Facts. So what do you do?
Make guns illegal? Because THAT will surely end peacefully :think: And that won't invent a whole other highly dangerous money making criminal industry? comparable to drug trade perhaps?
Which came first? the crime or the guns? Does it matter? They're both there. They exist. Is it possible that areas overrun by guns and crime might be better served in other ways that work at fighting poverty or providing jobs and education to prevent the last resort to violence? If people were exuded an iota of the passion the do about guns towards these issues also proven to increase levels of violence, fuck me the world might be a better place. :think:
 
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LuckySmiles said:
Jupiter551 said:
Anyways here's a link to some reasearch on guns being counterproductive to public safety, conducted by those whack-job left-wing crazies who are never known for their academic rigour, Harvard University.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html

This observation solves nothing.
There are people who are paranoid, there are people who are fucked up in the head, there are people who enjoy guns and hunting, and there are people who live in places so overrun with crime and guns that the police DO NOT respond. Facts. Not paranoia. Facts. So what do you do?
Make guns illegal? Because THAT will surely end peacefully :think: And that won't invent a whole other highly dangerous money making criminal industry? comparable to drug trade perhaps?
Which came first? the crime or the guns? Does it matter? They're both there. They exist. Is it possible that areas overrun by guns and crime might be better served in other ways that work at fighting poverty or providing jobs and education to prevent the last resort to violence? If people were exuded an iota of the passion the do about guns towards these issues also proven to increase levels of violence, fuck me the world might be a better place. :think:
The facts are, where there are more guns there are more gun deaths. Poverty is obviously an issue, and it leads to crime but as the above study states -
Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Adam Lanza's mother had TWELVE GUNS. Was she safer?


Instead of the consistent bullshit people spout about higher crime in Australia, here.
 
Bloomberg? :lol: He's the liberal loon that banned large sodas which is another good analogy why the AWB is moronic.

Liberal logic:

Large soda ban really stops people from buying two or getting a refill.

AWB really stops crime since nobody would ever think of using another firearm just as deadly.

But hey, the politicians are doing something with their infinite wisdom.
 
The facts are, where there are more guns there are more gun deaths. Poverty is obviously an issue, and it leads to crime but as the above study states -
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You totally missed my point. These are observations, they are rational not solutions and people spend more time about arguing than accomplishing anything. I'm going back to playing dumb and taking my clothes off now, thank you and good day. :handgestures-salute:
 
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Bocefish said:
Bloomberg? :lol: He's the liberal loon that banned large sodas which is another good analogy why the AWB is moronic.

Liberal logic:

Large soda ban really stops people from buying two or getting a refill.

AWB really stops crime since nobody would ever think of using another firearm just as deadly.

But hey, the politicians are doing something with their infinite wisdom.
yeah good argument, change the subject to soda.
Since the AWB expired the number of mass shootings in your country has DOUBLED every year.
LuckySmiles said:
You totally missed my point. These are observations, they are rational not solutions and people spend more time about arguing than accomplishing anything. I'm going back to playing dumb and taking my clothes off now, thank you and good day. :handgestures-salute:
Well, in Australia we had a mass shooting problem until 1996 when we had one of the worst in the world. Stringent gun control was legislated within twelve days, since then there have been 0 mass shootings, 50% reduction in gun related deaths in the last 16 years, and per capita your murder rate is 30x higher than ours. So there's a rational solution. There's no gun-dealing on street corners, and like in the US (though not even to a fraction of the degree) gun-owners are FAR more likely to be shot to death than non gun-owners.

Did you know that in the United States women who own guns are SIXTEEN times more likely to be killed by a gun than women who don't? So much for owning guns making one safer.
 
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Bocefish said:
Bloomberg? :lol: He's the liberal loon that banned large sodas which is another good analogy why the AWB is moronic.

Liberal logic:

Large soda ban really stops people from buying two or getting a refill.

AWB really stops crime since nobody would ever think of using another firearm just as deadly.

But hey, the politicians are doing something with their infinite wisdom.
yeah good argument, change the subject to soda.

Who changed the argument? I just noticed the similarity in liberal logic. :lol: You're the one who posted the Bloomberg video.
 
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Jupiter551 said:
Since the AWB expired the number of mass shootings in your country has DOUBLED every year.

Prove it!


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/12/14/ST2010121406431.html
The number of guns with high-capacity magazines seized by Virginia police dropped during a decade-long federal prohibition on assault weapons, but the rate has rebounded sharply since the ban was lifted in late 2004, according to a Washington Post analysis.
http://www.newsmax.com/US/mass-shootings-us-colorado/2012/07/20/id/445971


Well here's just the ones since 1999, can't find data easily on 1994-1998 but you can see the dramatic increase.
The following is the list of mass killings in the United States since Columbine compiled by Reuters and the Telegraph:

April 1999 - two teenage schoolboys shot and killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, before killing themselves.

July 1999 - a stock exchange trader in Atlanta, Georgia, killed 12 people including his wife and two children before taking his own life.

September 1999 - a gunman opened fire at a prayer service in Fort Worth, Texas, killing six people before committing suicide.

October 2002 - a series of sniper-style shootings occurred in Washington DC, leaving 10 dead.

August 2003 - in Chicago, a laid-off worker shot and killed six of his former workmates.

November 2004 - in Birchwood, Wisconsin, a hunter killed six other hunters and wounded two others after an argument with them.

March 2005 - a man opened fire at a church service in Brookfield, Wisconsin, killing seven people.

October 2006 - a truck driver killed five schoolgirls and seriously wounded six others in a school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania before taking his own life.

April 2007 - student Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 15 others at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia, before shooting himself, making it the deadliest mass shooting in the United States after 2000.

August 2007 - Three Delaware State University students were shot and killed in “execution style” by a 28-year-old and two 15-year-old boys. A fourth student was shot and stabbed.

December 2007 - a 20-year-old man killed nine people and injured five others in a shopping center in Omaha, Nebraska.

December 2007 - a woman and her boyfriend shot dead six members of her family on Christmas Eve in Carnation, Washington.

February 2008 - a shooter who is still at large tied up and shot six women at a suburban clothing store in Chicago, leaving five of them dead and the remaining one injured.

February 2008 - a man opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois, killing five students and wounding 16 others before laying down his weapon and surrendering.

September 2008 - a mentally ill man who was released from jail one month earlier shot eight people in Alger, Washington, leaving six of them dead and the rest two wounded.

December 2008 - a man dressed in a Santa Claus suit opened fire at a family Christmas party in Covina, California, then set fire on the house and killed himself. Police later found nine people dead in the debris of the house.

March 2009 - a 28-year-old laid-off worker opened fire while driving a car through several towns in Alabama, killing 10 people.

March 2009 - a heavily armed gunman shot dead eight people, many of them elderly and sick people, in a private-owned nursing home in North Carolina.

March 2009 - six people were shot dead in a high-grade apartment building in Santa Clara, California.

April 2009 - a man shot dead 13 people at a civic center in Binghamton, New York.

July 2009 - Six people, including one student, were shot in a drive-by shooting at a community rally on the campus of Texas Southern University, Houston.

November 2009 - U.S. army psychologist Major Nidal Hasan opened fire at a military base in Fort Hood, Texas, leaving 13 dead and 42 others wounded.

February 2010 – A professor opened fire 50 minutes into at a Biological Sciences Department faculty meeting at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, killing three colleagues and wounding three others.

January 2011 - a gunman opened fire at a public gathering outside a grocery in Tucson, Arizona, killing six people including a 9-year-old girl and wounding at least 12 others. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was severely injured with a gunshot to the head.

April 2 - A gunman kills seven people and wounds three in a shooting rampage at a Christian college in Oakland.

July 20 - A masked gunman kills 12 people and wounds 58 when he opens fire on moviegoers at a showing of the Batman film "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, a suburb of Denver, Colorado.

Aug. 5 - A gunman kills six people during Sunday services at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, before he is shot dead by a police officer.

Aug. 24 - Two people are killed and eight wounded in a shooting outside the landmark Empire State Building in New York City at the height of the tourist season.

Sept. 27 - A disgruntled former employee kills five people and takes his own life in a shooting rampage at a Minneapolis sign company from which he had been fired.

Oct. 21 - Three people are killed in a Milwaukee area spa including the estranged wife of the suspected gunman, who then killed himself.

Dec. 14 - A shooter opens fire at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, killing several people including children.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/07/20/the-worst-mass-shootings-of-the-past-50-years/
 

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Bocefish said:
Nice try but none of that proves what you said:

Since the AWB expired the number of mass shootings in your country has DOUBLED every year.
Frankly, getting an exhaustive list of every mass shooting in the last few years is extremely difficult. There's SO many of them, more than just the 'famous' ones. If you can find one then great.

Here you go: http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf Shootings involving 3 or more people since 2004. There's 64 pages of it, I counted up to 2007 which was just 10 pages worth but it did indeed double every year up til that point, more than double in fact.
 
The AWB was in effect from 94-2004 then it expired. What percentage of the shootings since were were done by a so-called assault weapon? There are mass shootings every week in Chicago. You can't include all the shootings by cheap guns dealt by drug dealers and gang bangers, those are your basic cheap ass toss away pistols. Chicago PD confiscated over 70K weapons just THIS year. Which, by the way, hasn't done anything in regards to daily shootings there. We're talking so-called assault weapons like the Bushmasters.
 
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Bocefish said:
Nice try but none of that proves what you said:

Since the AWB expired the number of mass shootings in your country has DOUBLED every year.
Frankly, getting an exhaustive list of every mass shooting in the last few years is extremely difficult. There's SO many of them, more than just the 'famous' ones. If you can find one then great.

Here you go: http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf Shootings involving 3 or more people since 2004. There's 64 pages of it, I counted up to 2007 which was just 10 pages worth but it did indeed double every year up til that point, more than double in fact.

Oh ya... if, like you say, the mass shootings doubled every year since 2005 then there would be atleast 112 mass shootings this year. I counted nowhere near that. Wanna try again? Or :liar: some more?
 
3 people and thats a mass shooting? Shit, we have at least 3 of those every weekend in L.A. Sounds more like someone's trying to pad their stats to push their own agenda. Doesn't sound very scientific to me! Bias much?
 
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3 people and thats a mass shooting? Shit, we have at least 3 of those every weekend in L.A. Sounds more like someone's trying to pad their stats to push their own agenda. Doesn't sound very scientific to me! Bias much?

Exactly! This is what was considered as one of the MASS shootings:

A still-unidentified shooter opened fire on a group of young men gathered behind a Compton
apartment building, killing one and injuring two others. The gunman fled on foot, and police say
the shooting appeared to be gang-related.
(Gang-related shooting in Compton kills 1, injures 2)
 
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Bocefish said:
Jupiter551 said:
Since the AWB expired the number of mass shootings in your country has DOUBLED every year.

Prove it!


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I assume that chart shows the combined number of deaths and injuries, but it doesn't really matter much. It is such small number compared to anything else. During the AWB period, roughly 70 people year died of being struck by lightning, (less recently). Maybe we should just ban playing in the rain :) it would have roughly the same effect as banning assault weapons.

The amount of energy both in the country and on the forum, spent arguing over how to prevent the next mass murder scene is just vastly out of proportion to the actual risk.
 
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Alexandra Cole said:
Bocefish said:

You realize that spike is Columbine, right? You might want a different image to support your point.

Actually, it shows the AWB did NOTHING to stop the Columbine cowards and the other spike in 2007 was the Va. Tech shootings where two pistols were used, a Glock 19 & a Walther P22. The AWB was useless then and will be useless again if/when renewed.
 
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