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AedanRayne said:This is a very good post, Blue. The video did turn my stomach but it's best to stay informed. I feel compelled to say something though, I am slightly turned off by anyone who takes it upon themself to suggest that someone take their pet off a prescription diet like Urinary SO. While I do not agree with everything a Veterinary recommends (due to them getting rewards for their sales from the big companies * I was in the field since I was 15, mind you), I have seen Urinary SO work wonders for animals (including my own). One of the amazing things about Urinary SO is that it stimulates the animal to drink more throughout the day. Which, in turn, dilutes their urine and helps reduce the risk of them creating Struvite Crystals and such.
My two cats experienced recurrent UTI's that were seemingly uncontrollable. I had them on several diets (especially ones with high moisture - can food), daily cranberry pills, used a water fountain, etc. but it just wasn't cutting it. Brian's urethra ended up becoming blocked, he was rushed into surgery, and was in ICU for a week due to his severe illness. Thankfully, he ended up recovering but it was questionable for awhile. I was extremely worried that he would become blocked again and was frightened that I would end up losing him. Long story short, I ended up putting him on Urinary SO and get this... he hasn't had any UTI's and has not been blocked since he started on that diet. The same goes for Tommy, he does not experience UTI's anymore. Imagine my relief! Let me tell you, the price for this expensive food does not bother me one bit after having my little boy in surgery & hospitalized for over a week. And I'm more than willing to pay a bit more in order to keep him healthy and painless.
I admire that you're so excited to inform people of the corrupted food industry and applaud you for your efforts. I just ask that you keep in mind that a doctor did prescribe this food for a reason and suddenly taking the animal off of it could lead to further illness and even surgery. My suggestion would be to take these questions to a Veterinarian and see what is best for the patient. I'm not just saying this as a Veterinary Technician but also as a mommy of two sweet kitties who were in a lot of pain but thankfully are no longer hurting since they found this prescription diet.
EDIT: One more thing that I left out (crazy since it's a huge post, huh?) many veterinarians spend a lot of their free time studying animal nutrition and not all of their knowledge comes from big companies like Hills, Iams, Nestlé Purina, etc. Many of these doctors are passionate about what they do and are truly dedicated to learning everything they can to help their patients (yes, that includes nutrition). Please, do not discredit them because graduate school didn't offer loads of courses on nutrition. What graduate school does teach them is how to research these issues themselves effectively and believe me, a good Vet takes a lot of time to do exactly that!
Thank you, Aedan, but I must respectfully disagree. Even you have agreed that if there are no nutritional classes available in the school then it is up to the individual veterinarian to get themselves properly education on the subject outside of school. If there are things they can research in their own time, they may not choose to research nutrition but rather infection diseases. Some may choose to learn more about nutrition, some may not. This does not make them a bad person or veterinarian but someone who is just not as educated in that area.
You can purchase Urinary SO without a doctor's prescription and I never claimed that the food doesn't help with UTIs as obviously it has helped Jicky's dog. What I am saying is that it is not a nutritionally healthy food for them to be on as their only diet.
The first ingredient in this food which makes up the majority of the diet is brewers rice. Brewers rice is a cereal grain by-poduct made up of fragments left over after milling the whole rice making it mostly a source of caloric energy as the first main ingredient. The second ingredient is corn. Corn is also a cereal grain that is very controversial as it is mostly used as a filler with no real nutritional value, a high glycemic index causing an unhealthy rise in blood sugar, known for causing allergies in some dogs, it is not easily digestible, and only used in order to save manufacturers and consumers money. Although it does contain chicken fat, it is listed as third, and only then does it include chicken meal.
As ingredients are listed in order of weight, this means that if these four ingredients were the sole ingredients, that chicken meal would weigh far less than 1/4 of the total food, with over half of the meal consisting of rice and corn. Even humans can digest corn and rice better than dogs can and it would still be very unhealthy if over 60% of my meals were corn and rice. It looks like the only ingredients contributing to urinary health in the bag are salt for drinking more water and the very last listed ingredient being citric acid.
The crude protein is only 14%--and that isn't how much protein can be digested, that's just how much is in the bag. Since the protein sources are listed farther along in the ingredient list as having a lower overall percentage in the food itself, the digestibility may be 60% on the 14% of protein, so less than 9% may be digestible. Even quality foods with meats listed first have only a digestibility rate of 70% - 80% usually so at most it has around 11% digestible protein.
Compared to Taste of the Wild that has a crude protein of 32% or Diamond Natural's 27%.
That is why I feel that it is not a good idea to keep a dog on this food long-term. I do not know what they include in the cat brand of Urinary SO and the cat version may be a quality food, but the dog food is not something I would be willing to feed my dog. The dog food obviously does contain ingredients that help with urinary health, but I would prefer to isolate those ingredients and add them to a quality dog food that is nutritionally complete for my dog.
I am not discrediting every veterinarian. I like veterinarians and I know they have had extensive education on keeping animals healthy, but not every veterinarian is passionate learning about nutrition if they did not receive the training in school. At the same time, some doctors will prescribe antibiotics for the common cold but it doesn't mean you shouldn't research and decide for yourself if you should take them every time you get the cold or if the long-term affects are worth it.