Do You Believe In Karma?

[Bocefish]

I'd like to believe in it.

Here's a good example...

(Fast-forward to the 1-minute mark)

According to the "Florida Driver" who uploaded this video, he or she was being tailgated by the jerk in the pickup truck for several minutes. The roads were wet, but apparently he thought everyone should be driving faster. Florida Driver started recording before the road rager passed them, flipped the bird and proceeded to get into a wreck. Now, you never root for anyone to get into an accident and possibly injured, but it's hard to argue that this wasn't karma at work. Also, the road rager allegedly tried to flee the scene, but was caught by authorities thanks to this vid.



ETA: The driver filming this isn't exactly the best driver either :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

Got involved in a thread on reddit based on this vid yesterday. So many people were more irate at the person recording it for being in the left lane.

wat.

I have always been under the impression that on city streets (as opposed to highways and freeways), that you just drive in whatever lane is convenient for you. And the person who posted this video was making a left hand turn in about half a mile, so why would they switch lanes to let a tailgater zoom past at unsafe speeds when it's inconvenient for them?

Made no sense to me. Clearly the guy in the truck was a blatant asshole in too much of a hurry. I hate drivers like that.

 

[zippypinhead]

I see two assholes in that video. Can't say I'm terribly sympathetic toward a guy who seems more interested in pointing a camera at an aggressive driver than he is in getting out of the way.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I see two assholes in that video. Can't say I'm terribly sympathetic toward a guy who seems more interested in pointing a camera at an aggressive driver than he is in getting out of the way.

I agree. If you are in the left lane and someone is tailgating you, you pull over as soon practical, period. In some state it is required even if you are exceeding the speed limit. Hell if you if time to whip out your phone/camera to record the person than you have time to pull over.

I do believe in Karma and the filmmaker is coming back as poor Haitian and the pickup driver is coming back as North Korean.

 

[Bocefish]

The way I see it, is that it was a residential rural road with side streets to the right and left hand turn lanes, stop lights, etc., which meant she had no responsibility to keep right if she was doing the speed limit and going to turn left soon. Granted, it was a dumbass move to be filming while driving, then again while stopping the car in the road to get out and film some more, but she got the needed proof.

This looks to be a case of little man syndrome in a big truck compensating for something. When the idiot saw she was filming him on her phone, he slowed down and sped up again just to make doubly sure she got his dumbass recorded flipping her off before he wrecked. :lol:

 

[AmberCutie]

The way I see it, is that it was a residential rural road with side streets to the right and left hand turn lanes, stop lights, etc., which meant she had no responsibility to keep right if she was doing the speed limit and going to turn left soon. Granted, it was a dumbass move to be filming while driving, then again while stopping the car in the road to get out and film some more, but she got the needed proof.

This looks to be a case of little man syndrome in a big truck compensating for something. When the idiot saw she was filming him on her phone, he slowed down and sped up again just to make doubly sure she got his dumbass recorded flipping her off before he wrecked. :lol:

Exactly. I asked in the reddit thread if there were laws in that state that say otherwise but got no response, really.

I agree that filming while driving 50 MPH was a bad move, though. Not safe and pretty snarky.

 

[JickyJuly]

I've only lived in Michigan, Tennessee and Florida, but the parts of Michigan I've lived in have been pretty awful. Someone once purposely peed on my car at a stoplight in Michigan. Florida drivers have them all beat for poor driving and anger issues in my experience. I've seen 2 pedestrians hit by (slow moving) cars living here, and at least 5 other accidents in 3 years time. Something in the water, perhaps?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

The way I see it, is that it was a residential rural road with side streets to the right and left hand turn lanes, stop lights, etc., which meant she had no responsibility to keep right if she was doing the speed limit and going to turn left soon. Granted, it was a dumbass move to be filming while driving, then again while stopping the car in the road to get out and film some more, but she got the needed proof.

This looks to be a case of little man syndrome in a big truck compensating for something. When the idiot saw she was filming him on her phone, he slowed down and sped up again just to make doubly sure she got his dumbass recorded flipping her off before he wrecked. :lol:

It was multi lane street with a median strip, I'd call it an expressway. When the film starts the driver could have pull over to the left lane and presumably the person had been tailgating for sometime before the filming begins. It takes what 15 seconds to pull over let the tailgatter pass you and the move back in the the left lane. At the time of accident 1:26 a left hand turn lane appear which the pickup enters and fishtails. Regardless of the law it is asshole maneuver not to pull over.

In point of fact it what the driver did is illegal in almost all state Here is a nice map. http://jalopnik.com/5501615/left-lane-passing-laws-a-state-by-state-map/all

The most popular law follows the Uniform Vehicle Code, which says a car driving below the "normal speed of traffic" should be driven in the right-hand lane. Because it indicates "normal speed" instead of saying "speed limit" a driver going above the speed limit but slower than most traffic is still in the wrong.

So there were only 5 states that what she did was legal.

 

[Bocefish]

Updated: Friday, March 28 2014, One man's road rage became instant karma on a highway in Florida this week -- and it was all caught on video.

A Florida woman used her phone to record a guy in a pickup tailgating her. She was in the fast lane of state highway 41, doing a little over 55 in a 50 mile per hour zone as he pressured her. Finally he cut into the right lane. And went by waving an upraised finger. Then he dropped back and pulled alongside, giving her another middle finger salute. But maybe he should have kept his hands and all of his fingers on the wheel because when he cut in front of her he crashed.

The laughing lady pulled over and called 911. The Florida Highway Patrol tells CNN that the driver of the pickup, 33-year-old Jeffrey White, fled the scene and was later arrested at his Tampa home based on information gained from the woman's video. White was charged with leaving the scene of a traffic crash, careless driving and failing to wear a seatbelt.

We couldn't get hold of either driver to comment on the road rage incident. But the woman wasn't ticketed.

Read More at: http://www.weartv.com/news/features/top ... 2859.shtml

 

[Bocefish]

It was multi lane street with a median strip, I'd call it an expressway. When the film starts the driver could have pull over to the left lane and presumably the person had been tailgating for sometime before the filming begins. It takes what 15 seconds to pull over let the tailgatter pass you and the move back in the the left lane. At the time of accident 1:26 a left hand turn lane appear which the pickup enters and fishtails. Regardless of the law it is asshole maneuver not to pull over.

If you pay close attention to the video, she was all ready coming up on slower traffic in the right lane. It looks like she was almost in the blind spot of the truck in the right lane at the beginning of the video given her rate of speed and how long it took her to pass, so she would have had to actually SLOW down in order to change over to the right lane. Not to mention she may have had intentions of turning left soon.

If it was an interstate or freeway void of side streets and left hand turn lanes it would be a different story, but that is not the case here.

There's nobody at fault for his accident except the dumbass in the pick up truck himself. He's damn lucky he crossed oncoming traffic before the Bud Light truck T-boned his stupid azz.

 

[Sevrin]

There's nobody at fault for his accident except the dumbass in the pick up truck himself.

No one is arguing the contrary.

The person making the video was still a dipshit. She knew the person driving next to her was a bad and unpredictable driver, but she still kept recording. That's not what a responsible person would do in that situation.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

It was multi lane street with a median strip, I'd call it an expressway. When the film starts the driver could have pull over to the left lane and presumably the person had been tailgating for sometime before the filming begins. It takes what 15 seconds to pull over let the tailgatter pass you and the move back in the the left lane. At the time of accident 1:26 a left hand turn lane appear which the pickup enters and fishtails. Regardless of the law it is asshole maneuver not to pull over.

If you pay close attention to the video, she was all ready coming up on slower traffic in the right lane. It looks like she was almost in the blind spot of the truck in the right lane at the beginning of the video given her rate of speed and how long it took her to pass, so she would have had to actually SLOW down in order to change over to the right lane. Not to mention she may have had intentions of turning left soon.

If it was an interstate or freeway void of side streets and left hand turn lanes it would be a different story, but that is not the case here.

There's nobody at fault for his accident except the dumbass in the pick up truck himself. He's damn lucky he crossed oncoming traffic before the Bud Light truck T-boned his stupid azz.

At the 30 second mark she should have turned on her blinker moved to the right lane somewhere between 40-50 mark after passing the truck. The pickup truck driver had enough space to move to the right after passing the truck she could have done the same.

The side streets are irrelevant the law doesn't make an exception for what type of highway you are on, if you have two lanes you should move to the right to let faster traffic pass.

My philosophy is that if somebody is driving very aggressively, I should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have a legitimate reason like rushing to the hospital. I know the one time I was driving my mom to the hospital (a 40 minute trip) , I didn't appreciate the asshole who decide to play traffic cop and enforce the speed limit..

Sure the pick up driver is ultimately responsible for the accident but she contributed to the road rage and deserve blame and negative Karma.

 

[JoleneBrody]

It was multi lane street with a median strip, I'd call it an expressway. When the film starts the driver could have pull over to the left lane and presumably the person had been tailgating for sometime before the filming begins. It takes what 15 seconds to pull over let the tailgatter pass you and the move back in the the left lane. At the time of accident 1:26 a left hand turn lane appear which the pickup enters and fishtails. Regardless of the law it is asshole maneuver not to pull over.

If you pay close attention to the video, she was all ready coming up on slower traffic in the right lane. It looks like she was almost in the blind spot of the truck in the right lane at the beginning of the video given her rate of speed and how long it took her to pass, so she would have had to actually SLOW down in order to change over to the right lane. Not to mention she may have had intentions of turning left soon.

If it was an interstate or freeway void of side streets and left hand turn lanes it would be a different story, but that is not the case here.

There's nobody at fault for his accident except the dumbass in the pick up truck himself. He's damn lucky he crossed oncoming traffic before the Bud Light truck T-boned his stupid azz.

At the 30 second mark she should have turned on her blinker moved to the right lane somewhere between 40-50 mark after passing the truck. The pickup truck driver had enough space to move to the right after passing the truck she could have done the same.

The side streets are irrelevant the law doesn't make an exception for what type of highway you are on, if you have two lanes you should move to the right to let faster traffic pass.

My philosophy is that if somebody is driving very aggressively, I should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have a legitimate reason like rushing to the hospital. I know the one time I was driving my mom to the hospital (a 40 minute trip) , I didn't appreciate the asshole who decide to play traffic cop and enforce the speed limit..

Sure the pick up driver is ultimately responsible for the accident but she contributed to the road rage and deserve blame and negative Karma.

Who gave you a license? As much as you would like to be right, you're just not.

 

[Shaun__]

My philosophy is that if somebody is driving very aggressively, I should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have a legitimate reason like rushing to the hospital. I know the one time I was driving my mom to the hospital (a 40 minute trip) , I didn't appreciate the asshole who decide to play traffic cop and enforce the speed limit..

Why on earth did you not call an ambulance if you needed to speed to the hospital? They could have been rendering aid, and letting the hospital know what was going on with her. Does her area have no emergency medical services available?

 

[JoleneBrody]

There's nobody at fault for his accident except the dumbass in the pick up truck himself.

No one is arguing the contrary.

The person making the video was still a dipshit. She knew the person driving next to her was a bad and unpredictable driver, but she still kept recording. That's not what a responsible person would do in that situation.

Agreed!
It's the video recording that made her irresponsible, not the refusal to move over.

Stubborn maybe, but not an asshole equally to the rager.

If someone needs to be at the hospital in a way that warrants breaking traffic laws, they better be in an ambulance. Otherwise you are putting everyone else as well as yourself and passenger at risk.
Emergency hospital visit is still no excuse to break laws and put others in danger.

 

[Bocefish]

This is 2 seconds into the video which shows a truck directly to her right rear quadrant.



60 seconds later at the 1.02 minute mark shows there was another truck directly in front of the previous one which means she had no possible way to get over to the right right lane until she passed both trucks.



At the 1.03 mark, Mr. Impatient Jackass was already changing lanes to the right so he could flip her the bird.

Then at the 1.28 mark, Mr. Impatient cuts her off which begins his epic wreck.



So in a matter of 86 seconds, the dipshit managed to 86 his nice truck and subsequently get arrested on several charges.

 

[Sevrin]

This is 2 seconds into the video which shows a truck directly to her right rear quadrant.

I don't drive. Is it normal to whip our your phone and start recording a video just because you see someone behind you? No one I've ever ridden with has done this.

I have a feeling this incident began before the video starts.

 

[Bocefish]

I don't drive. Is it normal to whip our your phone and start recording a video just because you see someone behind you? No one I've ever ridden with has done this.

I have a feeling this incident began before the video starts.

I'd be willing to bet there probably was some previous passive aggressive driving happening on the part of the woman, who knows. All I can go by is what's on the video.

But if you have time to SLOW DOWN just so you can flip someone off again on camera... you are not in that much of a hurry in the first place.

And if it was a true emergency, I'd have been flashing my brights and honking incessantly for her to get over ASAP. However, 99.99% of the time it's just some azzhat that thinks their life and time is far more important than everyone elses.

 

[ThunderWeasel]

I've only lived in Michigan, Tennessee and Florida, but the parts of Michigan I've lived in have been pretty awful. Someone once purposely peed on my car at a stoplight in Michigan. Florida drivers have them all beat for poor driving and anger issues in my experience. I've seen 2 pedestrians hit by (slow moving) cars living here, and at least 5 other accidents in 3 years time. Something in the water, perhaps?

You just covered one of the major reasons that I was glad to get the hell out of Florida.

 

[Bocefish]

Someone once purposely peed on my car at a stoplight in Michigan.

As opposed to the often under reported accidental urination that regularly occurs on vehicles while they are at a stoplight?

Sorry, that just struck me as funny. :lol:

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I do believe in karma.
I had warts on my hands as a little girl. Another little girl made fun of me for it. A week later a huge wart appeared on her nose.
Also, my grandpa was verbally abusive. It's almost as if he didn't even know how to talk instead of yell. Years later he got a stroke and now he can't talk.
I can give 20 other examples.

 

[bawksy]

I do believe in karma.
I had warts on my hands as a little girl. Another little girl made fun of me for it. A week later a huge wart appeared on her nose.
Also, my grandpa was verbally abusive. It's almost as if he didn't even know how to talk instead of yell. Years later he got a stroke and now he can't talk.
I can give 20 other examples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)

Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

Also see: anecdotal evidence

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

My philosophy is that if somebody is driving very aggressively, I should give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they have a legitimate reason like rushing to the hospital. I know the one time I was driving my mom to the hospital (a 40 minute trip) , I didn't appreciate the asshole who decide to play traffic cop and enforce the speed limit..

Why on earth did you not call an ambulance if you needed to speed to the hospital? They could have been rendering aid, and letting the hospital know what was going on with her. Does her area have no emergency medical services available?

We did call the hospital and it wasn't a life or death emergency, but rather than wait 20 minutes for an ambulance which still would have needed 30-40 minutes to get to the hospital, my sisters and I decided it would better just to take her. I don't think we exceeded 65 MPH the whole time. Some people insist that if they are in the left lane and going the speed limit they don't have to move over they are wrong. Certainly in this case the guy it appear she was just being a jerk, but the woman driving had no way of knowing that.

 

[Brad]

I can't say I felt sorry for the dick in the truck. Big man in his big truck. See it around here way too often and frequently it's some asshat contractor.
:roll:

IF the driver was recording that video with their phone they would have been ticketed in Illinois since we are now a hands free only state.
:lol:

But I often drive in Chicago traffic so I am used to road rages and whack job drivers.
:roll:

 

[Bocefish]

it wasn't a life or death emergency, but rather than wait 20 minutes for an ambulance which still would have needed 30-40 minutes to get to the hospital, my sisters and I decided it would better just to take her.

That was your choice and as much as you thought you were in a emergency vehicle, you were NOT.

I don't think we exceeded 65 MPH the whole time. Some people insist that if they are in the left lane and going the speed limit they don't have to move over they are wrong.

With all due respect to your situation, how were people to know you were on your way to the hospital?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

it wasn't a life or death emergency, but rather than wait 20 minutes for an ambulance which still would have needed 30-40 minutes to get to the hospital, my sisters and I decided it would better just to take her.

That was your choice and as much as you thought you were in a emergency vehicle, you were NOT.

I don't think we exceeded 65 MPH the whole time. Some people insist that if they are in the left lane and going the speed limit they don't have to move over they are wrong.

With all due respect to your situation, how were people to know you were on your way to the hospital?

My situation isn't relevant but when your 80+ year old mom has a very high fever (we were on vacation), scrupulously obeying the speed limit isn't a high priority. I am just pointing out one of many example where the person has legitimate reason to drive above the speed limit when you aren't endangering anybody.

The assumption that many people make when they encounter a tailgater is the person is just an asshole who thinks their time is more valuable than the rest of us. Most of the time this is true, I certainly used to feel that way. I'm guilty when I was much younger of playing traffic cop. Much like I suspect the woman driver was doing. Now days by imagining that tailgaters really need to be someplace in hurry I lower my blood pressure. Now I concentrate on putting as much space between me and the aggressive driver as soon as practical. I think she could have gotten out of his way quicker , but without all the facts I don't know and don't really care very much.

I am not sure what I am wrong about or even what the argument is.. I think everyone agrees that karma is a bitch and the pickup driver got what was coming to him and ya it was kinda of funny. Maybe I'm being too harsh on her but.... I think best case the woman was guilty of distracted driving, worse case she was breaking the left lane law and contributed to his road rage. Does somebody want to make that the argument that she was practicing smart defensive driving?

 

[Camgirl]

I got a $234 speeding ticket the other day driving 59 in a 45. It's a rural road I travel on daily that is easy to lose track of your speed on. After I got that ticket I've started setting my cruise control at 5 miles over and cars ride my ass all day long - throwing their hands up in the air, middles fingers, etc. etc. Don;t give a shit. It's a long two lane road that only allows passing in very few areas. Sorry, but I am not going to speed up so I get get a ticket because someone elses lead foot or poor planning.

U.S. 41 is nothing like the interstate. The roads were slick. She was going to be turning left shortly down the road and would have had to speed up (exceed the speed limit even further) to pass those other trucks on the right, just to have to get right back in the left lane to make her turn. I likely would not have gone out of my way to get over in the right either, considering my turn was coming up and the roads were wet (and I was already exceeding the speed limit). Just because someone THINKS they are justified in driving recklessly does not make it everyone elses responsibility to "get out of their way".

Why would I risk my safety or wallet for someone elses poor planning or issues?

P.S. There is no "left lane" law on that road, and if there was it wouldn't apply because she was preparing to make a left hand turn.

She was an idiot for recording, however if she wanted some sort of proof incase anything resulted from his aggressiveness, I could see that coming in handy.

 

[LadyLuna]

It makes my blood boil that there's a law which says "if someone else is tailgaiting you have to get out of the way". That's a law which encourages reckless driving. I could understand if you're going below the flow of traffic, but the law should read "if you're going less than five over the speed limit and someone is tailgaiting, you have to get out of the way if possible. Unless you're about to take a turn and you need that lane. If you're tailgaiting someone going at least the speed limit, you need to back off."

Road rage is scary. Reckless drivers are scary. Combine the two together, and you have an incredibly scary situation. Add in laws which encourage reckless drivers, and you have a fucked up situation created by the government.

As to getting to the hospital, I thought that was something that only happens in the movies. When I first saw it in a movie there was a discussion, but since that happened back when tailgaiting was illegal, I'm not sure how relevant that is anymore. I'll say it anyway. Biggest point that stuck with me was: if you get pulled over for speeding, that will slow you down. Best leave rushing to the hospital to the professionals.

 

[CallMeWilliam]

Personally the woman in the car gets bonus points for coming to a dead stop on the left side of a two lane road and then laughs at the guy.

I could see it now *Woman shot dead after road rage goes wrong* news @ 11

Personally they are both idiots and both deserve to have their licenses revoked.

 

[Zoomer]

Are some people really trying to blame the driver who is recording for what happens?

The pick-up driver is an absolute twat, and hopefully learned his lesson

I have a video recorder in my vehicle, records in HD (better than most models webcams ) with full audio, speed, gps location etc. Brilliant thing Also video'd many near misses and appalling driving behaviour so far. However, nothing so serious that I'd pass it onto the Police... yet.

p.s. Glad I don't live in the US. In the UK, tailgating is an offence.