DoTheCreep and camscore-traffic connection

[GingerOwnsChris]

Solely for my amusement, I am developing a Google Chrome extension for MFC. I think I'll call it DoTheCreep. All it does is it jumps from room to room, recording the model and visitor data. I have played with it a little today and collected statistics on the number of premium visitors in the rooms of various models, and plotted it against the model's camscore (see the charts below).

This tool can be used for other purposes. For example, to probe the best time of the day or the best day of the week for camming. It can be used to record how many visitors stay more than 1 minute, more than 10 minutes, etc. If somebody can suggest other uses, or interested in some specific data, please go ahead. I like stimulating projects.

Meanwhile, get your geek on and enjoy the data (mmm I am getting a boner from the word "data"). Each point reflects one room at some instant. Rooms were walked at random, and region filters were set to North America, South/Central America and Europe/Russia.

I think the dots look amazing, but I will refrain from other comments...

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

Actually, I do have one comment.

It is curious how for camscores 1000-10000, European/Russian rooms have, on average, fewer premiums members than North American rooms.

Does it mean that European/Russian models manage to achieve the same camscore with fewer paying visitors? Same camscore means, largely, same wages per hour, so does it mean that they European/Russian models work more efficiently than US models? Or are people visiting North American models less likely to tip and pay for shows than people visiting European/Russian rooms?

 

[Evvie]

Many members automatically block European models. If that's the case, then there will simply be a larger number of members flooding the North American rooms, and with larger numbers comes more freeloaders.

Perhaps the men who take time to search for models they like internationally will be more likely to tip.

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

Evvie is on top of things as usual. However, I do not fully agree.

... with larger numbers comes more freeloaders.

... and more paying customers. Shouldn't it be like this?

 

[Bocefish]

Not to mention the studio money laundering, er ummm, European studios tipping their own models. :whistle:

 

[Evvie]

Evvie is on top of things as usual. However, I do not fully agree.

... with larger numbers comes more freeloaders.

... and more paying customers. Shouldn't it be like this?

Yes, but I think that people who are not as in to MFC and just show up for a wank filter out everyone but North American models and browse for free shows.

Guys who are more involved likely browse a larger section of models and are more likely to tip, I suppose.

 

[GingerOwnsChris]

Evvie is on top of things as usual. However, I do not fully agree.

... with larger numbers comes more freeloaders.

... and more paying customers. Shouldn't it be like this?

Yes, but I think that people who are not as in to MFC and just show up for a wank filter out everyone but North American models and browse for free shows.

Guys who are more involved likely browse a larger section of models and are more likely to tip, I suppose.

Hmm... I was hating myself less before you said that...

 

[SoTxBob]

I'd love to see a time of day traffic one... I know a lot of Rom girls try to time it to catch only the usa market times. Working late night early am for their time zones and sleeping all day. Don't know what would be the base time tho... GMT or "official MFC time".

Another thought.... Maybe a way to filter with some CS limitations to compare the markets.. say 950 /10,000 cs vs everything above that. Doesn't seem to matter when the top girls are on, they always have larger rooms than others despite time of day.

 

[RogueWarrior]

Evvie is on top of things as usual. However, I do not fully agree.

... with larger numbers comes more freeloaders.

... and more paying customers. Shouldn't it be like this?

In a true business model, yes. However, based on no data, but rather a gut feeling, I feel the percentage of tippers in a room is inversely proportional to the popularity of the room. And maybe exponentially so.

Again, basde on no evidence, I would say a room starts with one tipper for every four non. Goes to 1/10, 1/20, etc. I've dropped in rooms with over 1000 people. Seems 1/100 would be a good ratio there, if that.

I've seen too many posts here from models feeling bad for their regs having to carry a room.

 

[fiver]

Many members automatically block European models.

I block all models that aren't in the US, UK, or AUS.

It's not because I'm racist or anything like that, I'm a pretty big "little l" libertarian, and the concepts of free will and free association are pretty damn important to me.

When I first joined MFC, I wandered into a few Asian rooms and Romanian rooms, and while I know they aren't *all* like that some of what I saw left me with a very clear feeling that these girls were working against their will, or not working in the way they would choose, given a free alternative. It's also not to say that there are no girls in the USA working against their will but with even the tiniest bit of conversation I can figure out what the game is.

If a US girl is working with a studio for the marketing benefits, or whatever other reasons, and she chose to do that, it's not my first preference but I'm mainly OK with that. If a foreign girl is working with a studio... well... there are lots of "bad" foreign studios and just like I can't save every stray puppy, I can't do anything about that situation but I'm sure as fuck not going to support it financially. So no tokens in those regions.

Sorry for the threadjack, your comment led me down a path :-D

 

[SoTxBob]

Many members automatically block European models.

I block all models that aren't in the US, UK, or AUS.

It's not because I'm racist or anything like that, I'm a pretty big "little l" libertarian, and the concepts of free will and free association are pretty damn important to me.

When I first joined MFC, I wandered into a few Asian rooms and Romanian rooms, and while I know they aren't *all* like that some of what I saw left me with a very clear feeling that these girls were working against their will, or not working in the way they would choose, given a free alternative. It's also not to say that there are no girls in the USA working against their will but with even the tiniest bit of conversation I can figure out what the game is.

If a US girl is working with a studio for the marketing benefits, or whatever other reasons, and she chose to do that, it's not my first preference but I'm mainly OK with that. If a foreign girl is working with a studio... well... there are lots of "bad" foreign studios and just like I can't save every stray puppy, I can't do anything about that situation but I'm sure as fuck not going to support it financially. So no tokens in those regions.

Sorry for the threadjack, your comment led me down a path :-D

The Asian rooms I agree completely. As for the Rommies and even Russians, you are missing a LOT of very beautiful women who work independently and free of any studios. They are, perhaps more so than US girls, constantly fighting to retain independence and free association. The one filter I wish there was was to block studios. :twocents-02cents:

"We now return to regular programming"... :mrgreen:

 

[LilyMarie]

Many members automatically block European models.

I block all models that aren't in the US, UK, or AUS.

It's not because I'm racist or anything like that, I'm a pretty big "little l" libertarian, and the concepts of free will and free association are pretty damn important to me.

When I first joined MFC, I wandered into a few Asian rooms and Romanian rooms, and while I know they aren't *all* like that some of what I saw left me with a very clear feeling that these girls were working against their will, or not working in the way they would choose, given a free alternative. It's also not to say that there are no girls in the USA working against their will but with even the tiniest bit of conversation I can figure out what the game is.

If a US girl is working with a studio for the marketing benefits, or whatever other reasons, and she chose to do that, it's not my first preference but I'm mainly OK with that. If a foreign girl is working with a studio... well... there are lots of "bad" foreign studios and just like I can't save every stray puppy, I can't do anything about that situation but I'm sure as fuck not going to support it financially. So no tokens in those regions.

Sorry for the threadjack, your comment led me down a path :-D

There is so much I want to say to this, but I'll make it short..
Filtering out models in Europe does not mean only filtering out Romanian studio models, it means filtering out all European models. And MFC needs to change that ASAP.
I wonder what they're doing with all the e-mails they've already gotten on this subject. I have a feeling every e-mail that contains the words "Europe" and "filter" doesn't get read, but goes straight to the recycle bin instead.

 

[inkydoo]

The one filter I wish there was was to block studios. :twocents-02cents:

So much, this. I'd even take a tag of some sort. It's not that I would never view them, but I'd like to know when money is being skimmed by someone other than MFC.

 

[Evvie]

The one filter I wish there was was to block studios. :twocents-02cents:

So much, this. I'd even take a tag of some sort. It's not that I would never view them, but I'd like to know when money is being skimmed by someone other than MFC.

I feel like there is a desire to only want to support 'independent' girls, but I don't think that's particularly fair.

A lot of women sign up with studios because they can't get started themselves, or they can't afford the equipment to get started. I don't feel like it's fair to not want to give those women money just because they are getting extra support. By that logic, we should also have an ACF filter so people can choose to not view models from ACF because we get extra "help" from this community.

I'm sure if they made a studio filter, a ton of people would stop viewing studios altogether, the studios would loose money (and some studio models are indeed very high earners) and they would take their models elsewhere.

If I were a studio model and people filtered me out or decided not to tip me just because they don't like my studio, it's not a "fuck you" to the studio. It's a fuck-over to the model because now they're earning even less.

 

[AmberCutie]

The one filter I wish there was was to block studios. :twocents-02cents:

So much, this. I'd even take a tag of some sort. It's not that I would never view them, but I'd like to know when money is being skimmed by someone other than MFC.

I feel like there is a desire to only want to support 'independent' girls, but I don't think that's particularly fair.

A lot of women sign up with studios because they can't get started themselves, or they can't afford the equipment to get started. I don't feel like it's fair to not want to give those women money just because they are getting extra support. By that logic, we should also have an ACF filter so people can choose to not view models from ACF because we get extra "help" from this community.

I'm sure if they made a studio filter, a ton of people would stop viewing studios altogether, the studios would loose money (and some studio models are indeed very high earners) and they would take their models elsewhere.

If I were a studio model and people filtered me out or decided not to tip me just because they don't like my studio, it's not a "fuck you" to the studio. It's a fuck-over to the model because now they're earning even less.

I'd like to take a moment and remind everyone that ACF takes absolutely no $ from the models in return for information, help, and support they receive here. :thumbleft:

 

[SoTxBob]

I don't feel like it's fair to not want to give those women money just because they are getting extra support. By that logic, we should also have an ACF filter so people can choose to not view models from ACF because we get extra "help" from this community.

I'm sure if they made a studio filter, a ton of people would stop viewing studios altogether, the studios would loose money (and some studio models are indeed very high earners) and they would take their models elsewhere.

If I were a studio model and people filtered me out or decided not to tip me just because they don't like my studio, it's not a "fuck you" to the studio. It's a fuck-over to the model because now they're earning even less.

That "logic" is So flawed its laughable. ACF is pure FREE actual good information they can use to make MORE income and also share a sense of "sisterhood" to know they arent alone, etc etc etc.
Several of my favorite ladies started in studios. I have never not tipped because of who they worked for. If anything I have tipped them a bit more to make up for the "robbery". [thank god for western union for xmas and birthdays.] The so called "help and support" they received cost them sometimes up to 80% of their tokens, not to mention the daily "token quota or get a fine levied" stress among other things. While true about providing the location and equipment for those with no other option, some of the studios are a "dark option" that are of minimal benefit to the girl. I'd like to be able to tell when "Vicentiu" moves his thieving ass to some other location because the old place got to 'hot' for him to hide his stable of girls. Perhaps the filter could not block studios but have an owner or company code instead..... Yahh, I know .. too much bs to deal with. :roll:

 

[Shaun__]

I feel like there is a desire to only want to support 'independent' girls, but I don't think that's particularly fair.

A lot of women sign up with studios because they can't get started themselves, or they can't afford the equipment to get started. I don't feel like it's fair to not want to give those women money just because they are getting extra support. By that logic, we should also have an ACF filter so people can choose to not view models from ACF because we get extra "help" from this community.

I'm sure if they made a studio filter, a ton of people would stop viewing studios altogether, the studios would loose money (and some studio models are indeed very high earners) and they would take their models elsewhere.

If I were a studio model and people filtered me out or decided not to tip me just because they don't like my studio, it's not a "fuck you" to the studio. It's a fuck-over to the model because now they're earning even less.

The Russian lady I joined for was a member of a studio, but she saved her money and cams independently now. Without the studio she never could have gotten started.

 

[ComicOzzie]

Mnay, many of my Romanian model friends started in a studio and are now independent. I thank the studios for giving them a start in what can be a very tough business. And no, I never saw any indication that any of them were working "against their will."