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Nervous, I'm really curious, do you watch cam models that have significant others? If your answer is no, how do you determine who is really single and safe to watch?
 
AllisonWilder said:
Nervous, I'm really curious, do you watch cam models that have significant others?
My guess is yes, because a decent portion of camgirls don't discuss their relationship status with members.
 
nervous101 said:
Oh. My. Goodness. Are you people for real? Creating drama out of my own personal opinion, which everyone is entitled to?

The only time I have a problem with someone expressing an opinion is when their opinion is implying that what is good for some people is good for all people. Anti-depressants, when taken by people who are not actually chemically depressed, will lead to depression. Some people are lactose intolerant, this does not mean that everyone needs to give up milk.

In this latest post, you say over and over again that while you don't believe that monogamy is right for everyone, that everyone who wants to practice it should do so. we can agree with that. But the problem here is that your original posts did not say anything about that. Your original posts were blanket statements.

If a woman is in a committed relationship her body should be for her significant other only, and the man shouldn't even look at other women, never mind nude ones.

Nothing about exceptions. Nothing about monogamous vs open. Just everyone.

Starting to get side-tracked, but I'm sure there are models on here who agrees with my stance that they shouldn't be doing this if they have a significant other. But that doesn't mean they are giving up ownership of their bodies.

Here you make an assumption about the models on here. A little secret- a lot of the models on here are in comitted relationships. Considering how the owner of this board is an openly married cammodel, if a model has a problem with other models being in relationships while camming, she's probably going to leave this forum on her own.

It is more of a moral issue depending on what the individual believes in.

So you admit that each person needs to determine what they themselves believe, but then you go on to say:

I also don't believe in the extreme example such as open relationships.

I get it. You're using "I don't believe in" the same way people "don't believe in guns". Personally, I hate that the expression "I don't believe in" has come to mean something other than "I don't believe this exists".

When you say "I don't believe in open relationships", you are invalidating the relationships that many people choose to have. You're saying that they don't have a real relationship. This is upsetting to me, because my best friend is in an open relationship. What you really don't believe in, is that people have a right to be in an open relationship if they want to. And that is offensive to me.

TL;DR- you're entitled to your opinion when it does no harm to anyone else. But when your opinion is about limiting the freedom other people have to make choices which will not affect you, that is wrong.
 
nervous101 said:
Oh. My. Goodness. Are you people for real?
Against my better judgement, I'm gonna respond to you all since you all insist on side-tracking this thread.
Shaun__ said:
Her body should belong to her and her alone.
No, her body does not belong to her alone if she is in a committed relationship.

i was just gonna let this statement go, but since you feel it's been dramatized, it's time to take a look at it.

i THINK you're trying to describe the mutual caring and respect that is part of a committed relationship...that was the benefit of the doubt i gave you when i first read your statement.

but that's not what you described.....you described something that -from your words- was apparently applicable only to a woman when she entered into a relationship....and the wording stripped of her of choice in the matter, as tho "committment" was something other than embracing that mutual caring and respect.

so Shaun__ was right to point out the distinction of who "owns" a woman's body in any relationship....and it's certainly not your idea of what a committed relationship that defines ownership....when ideas begin to own people, then we run into major and spiteful disagreements.....
which is, imo, an accurate description of the drama you feel exists now.

It belongs to the significant other as well.

in those times when the woman makes that choice, i'd agree with this statement....but again -in your original statement- nowhere did you consider that a woman has any choice in the matter....

it felt important to me to point this out, because in the rest of your recent posts, you went to great lengths to identify your feeling about committment as just your opinion...the thing you want for yourself...backed off from wording that implied a judgement (through omission) on every one else who's responded to this thread, or works in the sex industry.

most drama is self inflicted....this is a good example.

but it's all just my opinion.
 
No one ever owns another persons body. You are your own person and you will do what you choose. If you care about someone you may or may not should to do what they want. If you do what they want to please them it does not mean you lose any ownership. You do not have to like what various people choose to do. Your statement really should have been that personally you would not go out with a camgirl/like a girl you're going out with camming. Or even that you don't like the idea of girls camming while they're in relationships. That's fair enough for you, it's not necessarily an appropriate statement for a camgirl forum, but it is nice to sometimes hear fresh opinions.
Your statement was very different.
When you're in a relationship you learn to compromise. I would not say camming is about someone's morals, the word you're looking for is "values" not morals. Everyone has different values. Many men don't mind their girlfriend camming/men looking at their girlfriend, less men/women would like their partner looking at others, especially if it's more than a glance, but most actually don't like, and many even like their partner being appreciated by others. There are quite a lot of people who don't. And there are many women, I would actually be surprised if any camgirls share this opinion, but many women do not wish to be seen by anyone but their partner. Some camgirls who have a partner who wishes them to quit will for them, and some won't start camming because their partner doesn't like the idea of it.

Saying it's about someone's morals to me makes it sound more like people are compromising their morals/doing bad things. It's nothing about morals, it's personal preference and values. If you cannot compromise in a relationship to something you're both happy with, it won't work, if you can, it will work.

Actually your statement was upsetting in the way that it makes me feel like you believe I'm not worthy of love or a relationship as I am and that if I wanted to be with someone physically I would have to pack in my job and go and find a job somewhere else. In fact, I would have to leave my flat, probably sell my horse, work long hours, unless this guy were prepared to completely financially support me. You did backtrack, but your original statement was what it was.
 
I'm in a very committed relationship. I do not believe in cheating. I am however...NOT in a relationship with one person. So by your standards (if i understand you correctly) even without camming....I am failing horribly.
 
i keep forgetting that the ancient idea of ownership of a spouse still actually exists. i mean i get "belonging" to each other and all that, the mutual commitment or what not, but when its taken to the extreme that one person has control over the other person's decisions ( and i do mean control, not just input) my dander gets up a little. women used to be property. heck even modern marriage ceremonies still include "giving the bride away" sometimes. other than a voluntary master/slave relationship (which is a whole different kettle of fish) the idea sorta makes me queasy. i sure as hell dont want to own anyone, ever. nor do i want to be owned. myself i would much rather be with someone who loves me, cherishes me without any assumption that we "have" to be together because we somehow "own" one another ( though im not adverse to a little dominance for fun :) )

i think the mentality of monogamy being superior is sort of silly, but thats me. the mentality that there are any hard and fast rules that apply to ALL human relationships is more than silly, its just plain dumb
 
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