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SimplicityOfEmily

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Hey everyone, question.

What do people do in situations where two people are involved in a 50/50 partnership? One person cams and is the model, and the other: shoots professional photo and video, creates and manges websites and social media (even some communication with fans, like an intern with a celebrity or something), does advertising and marketing of all kinds, handles the accounting, etc. What precautions, contracts, and other things should a person be aware of in this situation? Neither of us want to take avantage of the other or be taken advantage of at all, and that's not going to happen. However, money, contracts, and all of these things are super complicated and we'd like to know how to approach all of this before anything even has a chance to get complicated or end in frustration.

Any help would be great! Thanks!
 

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I can not imagine why the performer in this situation would want things to be 50/50...

But I GUESS setting up an S corp and having you both as workers would be best? But then who is in charge of the corp?

Someone else may have a better answer...and the country you are located in will play a role.

For now, tho, if it's your SS on the account, you're receiving the 1099....you are responsible for 100% of the taxes...even if you're giving 50% to a "partner".

Real talk tho...you deserve more than 50% of the earnings......which is already only a percentage what you are being tipped etc.

Additionally, if the other half of the partnership is supposed to handle accounting......then shouldn't this be something they deal with?
 

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It is your ass on the internet... not theirs. If you get outed the only person shouldering the consequences is you. Menial task jobs can be handled by a personal assistant and I can’t imagine a camgirl with enough offline work to require someone working full time. Sounds like 50-50 is the worst deal ever imo
 

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No, trust me. I have no idea what the hell I'm doing. And I'm back in school now and don't have the time to deal with any of this crap. He's a very close friend he's made it clear to me he's busting his ass, and I see everything he does. There's no worries here. And, about the "getting outed" -- that's EXACTLY why he's helping me. Haha. I got him on day one when someone PMed me my personal address because I left something stupid somewhere. I just don't get computers. So, he's been keeping my butt safe while also doing a bunch of stuff that's bringing in income that aren't even on chaturbate. So, I'm totally happy with our arrangement!
 

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No, trust me. I have no idea what the hell I'm doing. And I'm back in school now and don't have the time to deal with any of this crap. He's a very close friend he's made it clear to me he's busting his ass, and I see everything he does. There's no worries here. And, about the "getting outed" -- that's EXACTLY why he's helping me. Haha. I got him on day one when someone PMed me my personal address because I left something stupid somewhere. I just don't get computers. So, he's been keeping my butt safe while also doing a bunch of stuff that's bringing in income that aren't even on chaturbate. So, I'm totally happy with our arrangement!
Sounds like this person could be your boyfriend (I can't wrap my head around this otherwise), if this is the case the best idea is to get married and do joint accounts. At least you keep it real and make it about a bond and not about some "business decision" that makes no sense.
 

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I say fire him and do it yourself. Because compared to the emotional and physical labored, it's a cake walk all the stuff he does. You are not a hot shot porn star with a huge active fan base. So it should be very manageable. Sorry if I sound harsh, but I dont think you need him at all.

Also you can shoot all your content on your own. Get yourself a tripod mah dude

Dont pay him 50%. I'd give him 25% if you say he does all of your social media, shoots your content, and whatever.


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Also can you put cash.me link on your profile? Is that even allowed on CB.

If he did this, I'd fire him 100%.
 
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Between this post and the other one you made, I am worried you are being taken advantage of.

My go-to advice for any model starting out is to soak up the info on here, and get verified. But I am hesitant to even recommend that because you are giving him access to your model account.

If you are hell bent on giving this man your hard earned money....then perhaps offer him a flat fee on a short term basis.
You don't even know if he will be good at this.


And, about the "getting outed" -- that's EXACTLY why he's helping me. Haha. I got him on day one when someone PMed me my personal address because I left something stupid somewhere. I just don't get computers!
uh...no
They PMed YOU the personal address.....if he had not been there....the result would have been the same. You would have done the same thing he did. He didn't do anything.

Unrelated, I just don't think this job if for people who "dont get computers"...that is not shade towards you...not every job is for everyone.

I am also a full-time student and work full time as a camgirl. I am not saying its easy to manage it all....but I am saying it wouldn't be worth it if i had to turn half my money over to someone.
 
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He's a close friend of the family, actually :) (Yes, there's some awkwardness, but oh well! Just a job.)
Nobody works for free when there's money on the table. There's going to be a point where if he's NOT your BF he's going to see his white knighting is getting him nowhere and you'll have a REAL problem. This is not a free money job where you can remain ignorant of managing your account, equipment and member base without consequence. I'd advise you find out what he REALLY wants from you and either give it to him or pay him or walk him away from this because the bill is coming and you don't know his price. This is not just camming advice but general business advice.
 

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This is not a free money job where you can remain ignorant of managing your account, equipment and member base without consequence.
For once I really agree with you

It's one this to hire someone for admin services.... it's another to be unable to do them yourself regardless of time. You would have no way of knowing if he is ripping you off, or worse.
 

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Unrelated, I just don't think this job if for people who "dont get computers"...that is not shade towards you...not every job is for everyone.
So much this. Trying to shove a square peg into a round hole is most likely not worth all the hammering, if you catch mah drift.
 
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If you really want to pay the guy, pay him a fixed amount per project that you both have agreed upon beforehand, if he makes a web site you pay him one amount for that, if he shoots and edit a video you pay him another amount. Don't give him a percentage of the earnings because it will only lead to you either overpaying or underpaying him for his work. I have been offered money for doing video editing and that was a fixed amount and I think that is a fair way to go about it even though I didn't accept the money.
 
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He's a close friend of the family, actually :) (Yes, there's some awkwardness, but oh well! Just a job.)
When I first read your title, I thought you were referring to being a couple where one does the modeling and the other does the backend work. If that was the case, then there's a different set of rules I'd follow.

But, this being a "close friend of the family" so to speak, makes it really awkward because he's trusted with so much info and it's beyond your control what may happen. I've seen this situation go from bad to worse so many times...

Like the other models mentioned, you need to know and understand all aspects of your business and running of it. There's a huge difference between a large company with many different departments that require a business head/ceo/president and a solo cam model. Especially if you're concerned about privacy, etc. You're already losing a big portion of income to the cam site. Giving up 50% of that means you're really only getting about 30% of money paid for your services. Yet, you're the reason for the money coming in in the first place.

You need to decide how you want to handle this, and the direction it goes. But, I think you've already decided it based on your comment about how you're happy about yoru agreement.
 

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Also.. you cam on Chaturbate, there is absolutely NO NEED for videos, elaborated bios, websites or a social media presence. All you need is to get your butt on cam. If you aren't tech savvy then cut out the things you don't know how to handle. It is much better than hiring someone with an "intern" level of responsibility and paying him half your earnings.
 
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Hey everyone, question.

What do people do in situations where two people are involved in a 50/50 partnership? One person cams and is the model, and the other: shoots professional photo and video, creates and manges websites and social media (even some communication with fans, like an intern with a celebrity or something), does advertising and marketing of all kinds, handles the accounting, etc. What precautions, contracts, and other things should a person be aware of in this situation? Neither of us want to take avantage of the other or be taken advantage of at all, and that's not going to happen. However, money, contracts, and all of these things are super complicated and we'd like to know how to approach all of this before anything even has a chance to get complicated or end in frustration.

Any help would be great! Thanks!
Fire him or her a hire Charlesbot lol, Your dealing with long hours , lots of stress with building a fan base, Twitter is free start there . AmberCutie had a good post on Twitter about using Twitter effectively . Start off slow take baby steps build up the members then take it from there . dont burn your ass out and hand over half of it to some1 behind the keyboard. You girls have a stressful job and STRESS SUCKS. i can make you Banners for free to promote yourself and MFC Share through c bot and yes EXPECTING NADA IN RETURN. Wish you well
 
Camming is just like any job, there’s a learning curve. If you’re not willing to or incapable of learning very basic computer skills then perhaps camming isn’t the job for you.

If you’re totally dead set on having this guy be a “business partner”, you should really look into having him sign a nda or some kind of confidentiality agreement. There may be a different name to it, but basically if things go bad, like him trying to dox you or steal your money, (which odds are they will when you’re allowing someone to have that much access to all your personal information) there will be legal repercussions on his part.

Just like everyone else said, 50% of your earnings is a whole lot to give to someone for things you can easily learn to do. I can understand wanting someone to help shoot and edit vids. For that, again like said before, a flat fee would be way more reasonable.

However, it is weird that he is a “family friend” that is so willing to help you start up in sex work. I’m kind of curious if he approached you about this arrangement or if you approached him about it. Because if it was the former that is extremely predatory behavior. Either way, if he were to ever get mad at you for whatever reason he already knows your family and could easily tell them what you are doing. Yeah, a confidentiality agreement may help, but the damage would already be done if you don’t want your family finding out.
 
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Camming is just like any job, there’s a learning curve. If you’re not willing to or incapable of learning very basic computer skills then perhaps camming isn’t the job for you.

If you’re totally dead set on having this guy be a “business partner”, you should really look into having him sign a nda or some kind of confidentiality agreement. There may be a different name to it, but basically if things go bad, like him trying to dox you or steal your money, (which odds are they will when you’re allowing someone to have that much access to all your personal information) there will be legal repercussions on his part.

Just like everyone else said, 50% of your earnings is a whole lot to give to someone for things you can easily learn to do. I can understand wanting someone to help shoot and edit vids. For that, again like said before, a flat fee would be way more reasonable.

However, it is weird that he is a “family friend” that is so willing to help you start up in sex work. I’m kind of curious if he approached you about this arrangement or if you approached him about it. Because if it was the former that is extremely predatory behavior. Either way, if he were to ever get mad at you for whatever reason he already knows your family and could easily tell them what you are doing. Yeah, a confidentiality agreement may help, but the damage would already be done if you don’t want your family finding out.
I was kind of wondering the same thing. If he approached her about it. Or, if he knew she was doing it, where, etc. and "this person" just came forward with some info about her to try and get her to come to him. It's a wild speculation. But, it is definitely not unheard of. I've seen family, and "close friends of" do some really shady shit and then turn around and stab them in the back when they don't get their way.


Also, good point on the non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
 

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Between this post and the other one you made, I am worried you are being taken advantage of.

My go-to advice for any model starting out is to soak up the info on here, and get verified. But I am hesitant to even recommend that because you are giving him access to your model account.

If you are hell bent on giving this man your hard earned money....then perhaps offer him a flat fee on a short term basis.
You don't even know if he will be good at this.




uh...no
They PMed YOU the personal address.....if he had not been there....the result would have been the same. You would have done the same thing he did. He didn't do anything.

Unrelated, I just don't think this job if for people who "dont get computers"...that is not shade towards you...not every job is for everyone.

I am also a full-time student and work full time as a camgirl. I am not saying its easy to manage it all....but I am saying it wouldn't be worth it if i had to turn half my money over to someone.
Yuuuuuuuuup

This just seems like SUCH a terrible horrible unessicary idea.
 
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And for the record, I used to strip.
We both came up with the idea together in conversation.
In the name of anonymity and protecting my safety, I've obvsiously scrambled the characters to my story. Maybe biographic details aren't important and I'd just like my questions answered.

Please stay on topic.
 

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Your question was pretty much answered.
If you want further more detailed information for this highly specific situation I suggest seeking out a CPA and lawyer.
 
Geez wtf...'bad troll attempt' to the forum creator is probably not a great move.

As experienced cam girls, we wouldn't want to lead/answer questions about something we think is a bad choice. Just because you didn't get the answer you wanted there's no need for poop flinging and facepalms. We can't just bark answers at you when something is a pretty bad idea. Camming & being tech savvy/willing to learn is a MUST. That's the reality. No one gave you the answer you wanted because we've had tons of experiences where family friends/close friends and even family members ended up being creeps.
 
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Well, thank you guys. This has been really unhelpful.
Can you maybe stop condescending and answer the questions I asked in my thread title?
Nobody is being condescending just blunt. Nobody sees why you would give someone equal partnership in a business where the risk is one sided. You telling us how you want security but WHAT IS HIS RISK to warrant equal share? On top of that just looking at your CB profile that person couldn't even be bothered to read CB's TOS because the stuff listed on your profile alone is bannable. If you're thinking he's doing a good job, well he just failed you day one (There's no camsite on earth that will permit you to advertise competition or methods to bypass their own payment system).

Why you would legally bind yourself to who eccentrically be acting as a 'pimp' makes no sense and people are trying to warn you. But it's your risk to take but know it throws up red flags. In the cam world the person IN the video hold the legal rights. If you want to give those rights up or give your 'partner' royalty share of your work then you need a contract lawyer to draw it up. Just know if shit hits the fan you will be stuck with that person like a tattoo.
 
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Well, thank you guys. This has been really unhelpful.
Can you maybe stop condescending and answer the questions I asked in my thread title?
No one is being condescending to you. It sounds like you are brand new to camming and you came to ask a bunch of veteran camgirls what to do in this situation. Girls who have years and years (some almost a decade) worth of camming experience under their belts, who have collectively experienced more cam scenarios than any one person can imagine. Who have collectively dealt with countless people trying to take advantage, who collectively been burnt a thousand times over. Once, we were all new models and many of us were more naive than I'd like to admit - and we learned the hard way how to operate our businesses in the most profitable - and the safest - ways.

On the boards, it would be irresponsible if we only gave new camgirls the answers they wanted to hear. We try to be honest and point out situations that bring a lot of risk, or if we feel someone could be taken advantage of. It is our responsibility to be honest, even if the truth is an unpleasant one. Such as the comment that if one cannot or is unwilling to learn the more technological skills that this career, they probably won't succeed as much as they would hope.

We have seen so many girls get majorly screwed over in studio situations who are legally entitled to a slice of their earnings. We have seen them with mod-customers who seem to be helpful but are really just taking advantage. We have seen girls get outed by disgruntled people whom they thought they could trust and end up with their lives almost ruined when their information gets leaked or when that person tries to blackmail them. Heck, I have seen a ton of vanilla business partnerships implode and cause a world of hardship. We have seen it all, and that is the basis of these answers. Collectively, we have earned a lot of wisdom, which is why new cammers come here to seek answers. That is one of the main strengths, and draws, of these boards.

So when people try to tell you that it isn't a wonderful idea, I promise, no one is trying to condescend. We are trying to be honest. You may have experience in the adult industry due to work as an exotic dancer, but camming is a completely different beast with its own batch of required skills - and its own batch of risks. And many of us feel obligated to point out the risks when we see them, whether the poster wishes to read it or not. It would be remiss of us if we didn't.

I am sorry that you don't like the answers you are receiving... But that isn't likely to change the opinions you are likely to get.

Personally, I wouldn't give ANYONE a slice of the pie I have worked hard to build. Not a manager, not a family friend, not a boyfriend, not even a spouse (I've seen some very messy, very ugly, very financially destructive divorces amongst adult-industry people because they trusted their spouse with a chunk of their business - and they paid a very heavy price because of it). If someone does work for me, I give them a straight per hour fee, and that's all they get. Using a contract to give them an equal share of MY business - just thinking about it makes me shudder, legit horrified. Even the freelance per-hour situations are rare because I've learned to be extremely self-sufficient in this career, and personally, I find that to be one of the most fulfilling aspects of this job. That is what helps me grow, helps me evolve, helps me reach new customers. Is it a lot of extra work? Of course. Is it easy? Not even a little bit. But at the end of the day, no one can let me down and no one can screw me over except me!
 
Can you maybe stop condescending and answer the questions I asked in my thread title?
What precautions, contracts, and other things should a person be aware of in this situation?
nda or some kind of confidentiality agreement
^^^^^^^^

No one was being condescending. You just weren’t being coddled. The situation you got going on seems like one that can put you in actual danger. You really do not know what someone is capable of until they do it. Whether he is a platonic friend or not, there can be a point where he ends up getting jealous of you talking to dudes on cam or envious of the money you make. Men (as well as women) can become totally different people when they let ugly emotions like that overcome them. And this dude now has a ton of control over you and your business.

This is going to sound harsh, but you need to hear it. It seems like all you want to do is show up on cam and basically have someone else do all the work while expecting to make tons of money. Not being technologically inclined is no excuse for not knowing/not wanting to do simple things like how to respond to pms or run your own twitter. If you’re that unwilling to do minimal research (which you can easily read this forum and find TONS of useful information), you probably won’t make it far camming, even if you have this weird intern situation going on.

But hey, you do you. I sincerely wish you the best. Maybe this situation will work out and the worst that will happen is you’ll just end up with a lot less money for no real reason. I agree that you should probably contact a lawyer and get their opinion on what you should.
 

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Bwawawa good luck with camming. I'm gonna be harsh now because fuck you op. Asks for advice, doesn't like the advice given because we didn't coddle. Go fucking learn computers, bb. You are being taken advantage of or you are incredibly lazy or your really are simple like your name states or this is the family friend who got mad at our responses saying he isn't needed.


Also seriously looking at your profile, it doesn't look like he is doing anything and it looks like that are things on your profile that can get you banned. Stop being a dumb dumb and start learning and taking control of your job. What are you gonna do when you are done with school? Is this family friend going to do your job for you, because you aren't willing to learn the necessities needed to fo your job? Time to grow up, bb.

Fire him. It doesn't look like he is doing anything that warrants 50% or your income.


Its also not like you are on a forum designated for helping camgirls, I would suggest joining models only, but you bad troll attempted the owner. I think you burnt that bridge, bb.
 
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Well, thank you guys. This has been really unhelpful.
Can you maybe stop condescending and answer the questions I asked in my thread title?
Marking things with disagree and troll ratings doesn't make them any less true. But go ahead and keep ignoring the info and advice just because you don't like it. That'll help you succeed. Enjoy finding your info and help elsewhere...

You'll know find you have very limited capabilities here at ACF.